The problem with an 11 generation pedigree chart is that there are too many people to show on a single page. Thus with each generation doubling you get the following: 1. 1 2. 2. 3. 4 4. 8 5. 16 6. 32 7. 64 8. 128 9. 256 10. 512 11. 1024 It is impossible to show 2047 people on a single page (the sum of all the numbers above). Usually what happens is that you have perhaps a single line that has 11 generations and the actual number of people you want to show is much less. What I have done before is use a graphics program to draw diagrams of certain family structures and include them as a graphic in my Word Processor as a page in the book. It does require manual effort and takes time, but you can get things looking the way you want with only showing the people you want. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael CALDER [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:08 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] CHARTS G'day Ira, > Document. Then I often will save pedigree charts (ancestry > tree) diagrams in WMF format. Thanks for the tip Ira. I am about to start that side of things and assumed that the WMF probably had something to do with it. I aim to do a number of "small" [3 generation or so] to accompany sections/chapters of the book. Still not sure how to best display the 11 generations I have in one line. I really want something like the DESCENDANTS tab in the main window just to tie everyone together. Any ideas on that? Thanks. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

G'day Ira, > Document. Then I often will save pedigree charts (ancestry > tree) diagrams in WMF format. Thanks for the tip Ira. I am about to start that side of things and assumed that the WMF probably had something to do with it. I aim to do a number of "small" [3 generation or so] to accompany sections/chapters of the book. Still not sure how to best display the 11 generations I have in one line. I really want something like the DESCENDANTS tab in the main window just to tie everyone together. Any ideas on that? Thanks. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

A Word Processor does give the most control to the user. I have created several books also and what I typically do is generate RTF reports from the Lineage RTF or Story RTF Book (File Menu - Publish). Those can be brought to a Word Document. Then I often will save pedigree charts (ancestry tree) diagrams in WMF format. Place those in the Word Document and crop it so the page number does not show. This can be done to almost all reports in CFT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Ian Westergaard [mailto:ian.westergaard@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:01 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] How do you record general information? Hi Sandra In Reports - print preview you have the option to print to a text file. No disrespect to Ira but I don't like the style of the reports or book so just use CFTW to assemble the information for each individual then export it as a textfile which I then edit in MS Word before finally assembling it as a book in .pdf format. Ian Westergaard In Cloudy & Mild Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Burge" <sandrabur@tesco.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] How do you record general information? > Hi Mike, > > Interesting, but how are you transferring the CFT text to the word processor > so that you can edit and add pictures etc? I ask because I plan to do this > one day when I run out of research to do. Possibly before then. > Sandra > Wales, UK > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Hi Sandra In Reports - print preview you have the option to print to a text file. No disrespect to Ira but I don't like the style of the reports or book so just use CFTW to assemble the information for each individual then export it as a textfile which I then edit in MS Word before finally assembling it as a book in .pdf format. Ian Westergaard In Cloudy & Mild Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Burge" <sandrabur@tesco.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] How do you record general information? > Hi Mike, > > Interesting, but how are you transferring the CFT text to the word processor > so that you can edit and add pictures etc? I ask because I plan to do this > one day when I run out of research to do. Possibly before then. > Sandra > Wales, UK > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hi Sandra Your word processor will read the text file created by CFT. Simply open the text file from CFT as you would any other file using your wp. When you create the text file in CFT I would suggest that you do not select "Left Justify All Text". Jerry Port Coquitlam B.C. Canada web page http://members.shaw.ca/dimsdale DIMSDALE, GEDDES, ECKHOLDT, DOWNER, SINCLAIR, ETHERINGTON, MACK, LAMB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Burge" <sandrabur@tesco.net> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] How do you record general information? > Hi Mike, > > Interesting, but how are you transferring the CFT text to the word > processor > so that you can edit and add pictures etc? I ask because I plan to do this > one day when I run out of research to do. Possibly before then. > Sandra > Wales, UK > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hi Mike, Interesting, but how are you transferring the CFT text to the word processor so that you can edit and add pictures etc? I ask because I plan to do this one day when I run out of research to do. Possibly before then. Sandra Wales, UK

Hi Paul Go to Rootsweb mailing lists, look for GENANZ under Australia and subscribe to it. Ask your question there. Ian Westergaard In Cloudy & Mild Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul and Barbara Barrett" <paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk> To: <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:30 AM Subject: [CFTW] Oz Death Records > Hi Mike > > I wonder if you can help me please (again!)? > > Can you tell me how to go about researching the records of a death of a > British Immigrant to Oz who was killed in a road accident (in Sydney?) in > Jan 1950. What online archives can I visit? > > Regards > > Paul Barrett

Hi Mike I wonder if you can help me please (again!)? Can you tell me how to go about researching the records of a death of a British Immigrant to Oz who was killed in a road accident (in Sydney?) in Jan 1950. What online archives can I visit? Regards Paul Barrett -----Original Message----- From: Michael CALDER [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 02 January 2005 20:10 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] How do you record general information? G'day Paul, > how to go about recording information that is general in > nature, information that pertains to many generations. Write it using Word or similar and then, as you obviously want to keep it with your CFT data, you copy and paste into a DOCUMENT which you make and name via the "Document Editor" (you can just write it in the Document Editor) - I have one such "The Land of Our Forefathers". It will of course be only TEXT so I also keep the formatted document in a special FAMILY HISTORY word folder. You will later find that, if you want a formatted Family History Book with pictures embedded within the text, you will have to use a word processor to modify the output of CFT. BUT - CFT makes it all so easy with a wonderful "semi-literate" base to start with. FWIW - I am now on the final stage. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979 ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Most features CFT does not have. The ones that it does I will mention below: 3. You could run Individual Report with certain events listed. Those that are missing will be easy to identify by the empty spaces. 4. Editors Menu - Document Editor. 6. If you hold the mouse over a button for a short while help tips should appear. Not sure if this is what you refer to. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Barbara Barrett [mailto:paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:16 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] Can I do the following? In my use of CFT 3.14 to record (to date) 126 members of my family spanning 10 generations, the following items have occurred to me as nice to have enhancements. Of course it may be that these features already exists, and if someone wants to correct me on that score I'd be delighted to hear from them. 1. Back / Forward Button When I am navigating through my database I often want to back track. But I didn't make a note of the path I trod to get where I am and it was non linear, so the ability to have back, forward and home icons would be great 2. To Do List I'd like the ability to tag IRN records with To Do items such as 'Order grandma's birth certificate' 3. Integrity Check I'd like to be able to run an integrity check that will generate a report of incomplete data across the system. e.g. IRN has a marriage date recorded but no birth date 4. Introductory Notes and images I'd like to be able to record some introductory text and images 5. Next / Previous IRN When I am doing system wide maintenance tasks it'd be good to be able to go to next / previous numerical IRN 6. Dwell Text instead of tiny text beneath icons Title says it all, I think :) 7. Ability to highlight several events and delete en masse But what a great program - so easy to use, and with a little help from Ira I even have it running on my home network so I can access the data base on my notebook from my desktop. Cool! Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Perhaps you have inadvertently set the program to Viewer mode? I had found that some people when experimenting with the Electronic Data File Viewer (File Menu - Publish [CD icon]) will set the output folder to the same folder as the CFT program folder and thus overwrite all settings. If this does happen one can go to Help menu - About and click the CD icon there and remove the check from Viewer mode. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hofffman [mailto:ronhoffman@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:57 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] How do you record general information? Ira, I occasionally end yup with the CFT program not showing features like the various PRINT reports. When I run the install again, it comes back. I frequently clean up my cookie. Am I erasing something I should not be? Any idea what is causing this. User tip for those on outlook or other contact management: I have started saving the e-mail addresses of people who ask about certain family under a category of that family. If someone ask about Hildebrandt, I add them to a contact group of G-Hildebrandt. I have been able to go back and bring others into discussions of the family they are asking about. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman HealthSouth Transition Team Ron.Hoffman@HealthSouth.com RonHoffman@yahoo.com Office: 205-968-6232 Cell: 720-989-6747 Home: 303-316-9303 -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Barbara Barrett [mailto:paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:15 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] How do you record general information? I am a returning user of CFT v 3.14d I started my family tree a few years ago, basically transcribing some paper based records of my fathers, and I am now taking up where he left off, adding the latest generations. I think I have mastered the basics of CFT but I was wondering how to go about recording information that is general in nature, information that pertains to many generations. For example, like many families, many generations of my family lived in the same English village. What's the best way to record that information so that it can be included in a family history without having to attach it to one or more individuals? I'd welcome advice from other CFT users Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

G'day Paul, > how to go about recording information that is general in > nature, information that pertains to many generations. Write it using Word or similar and then, as you obviously want to keep it with your CFT data, you copy and paste into a DOCUMENT which you make and name via the "Document Editor" (you can just write it in the Document Editor) - I have one such "The Land of Our Forefathers". It will of course be only TEXT so I also keep the formatted document in a special FAMILY HISTORY word folder. You will later find that, if you want a formatted Family History Book with pictures embedded within the text, you will have to use a word processor to modify the output of CFT. BUT - CFT makes it all so easy with a wonderful "semi-literate" base to start with. FWIW - I am now on the final stage. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

In my use of CFT 3.14 to record (to date) 126 members of my family spanning 10 generations, the following items have occurred to me as nice to have enhancements. Of course it may be that these features already exists, and if someone wants to correct me on that score I'd be delighted to hear from them. 1. Back / Forward Button When I am navigating through my database I often want to back track. But I didn't make a note of the path I trod to get where I am and it was non linear, so the ability to have back, forward and home icons would be great 2. To Do List I'd like the ability to tag IRN records with To Do items such as 'Order grandma's birth certificate' 3. Integrity Check I'd like to be able to run an integrity check that will generate a report of incomplete data across the system. e.g. IRN has a marriage date recorded but no birth date 4. Introductory Notes and images I'd like to be able to record some introductory text and images 5. Next / Previous IRN When I am doing system wide maintenance tasks it'd be good to be able to go to next / previous numerical IRN 6. Dwell Text instead of tiny text beneath icons Title says it all, I think :) 7. Ability to highlight several events and delete en masse But what a great program - so easy to use, and with a little help from Ira I even have it running on my home network so I can access the data base on my notebook from my desktop. Cool! Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk

Hi Mike Thanks for the quick response. I like the idea. Presumably preparing it in Word allows you to do all the good things such as spell and grammar checking prior to importing it into the document editor. Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk Researching: Barrett - Fyfield Berkshire Howell - Hillingdon Middlesex Clarke - Bagshot, Surrey -----Original Message----- From: Michael CALDER [mailto:mikecalder@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 02 January 2005 20:10 To: paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] How do you record general information? G'day Paul, > how to go about recording information that is general in > nature, information that pertains to many generations. Write it using Word or similar and then, as you obviously want to keep it with your CFT data, you copy and paste into a DOCUMENT which you make and name via the "Document Editor" (you can just write it in the Document Editor) - I have one such "The Land of Our Forefathers". It will of course be only TEXT so I also keep the formatted document in a special FAMILY HISTORY word folder. You will later find that, if you want a formatted Family History Book with pictures embedded within the text, you will have to use a word processor to modify the output of CFT. BUT - CFT makes it all so easy with a wonderful "semi-literate" base to start with. FWIW - I am now on the final stage. Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

I am a returning user of CFT v 3.14d I started my family tree a few years ago, basically transcribing some paper based records of my fathers, and I am now taking up where he left off, adding the latest generations. I think I have mastered the basics of CFT but I was wondering how to go about recording information that is general in nature, information that pertains to many generations. For example, like many families, many generations of my family lived in the same English village. What's the best way to record that information so that it can be included in a family history without having to attach it to one or more individuals? I'd welcome advice from other CFT users Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk

When someone looks up an individual at a site like Rootsweb, it is best if they have all of the information for that individual with that individual. Using the cut and past feature makes adding information to multiple relatives easier, but it is still more difficult. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman HealthSouth Transition Team Ron.Hoffman@HealthSouth.com RonHoffman@yahoo.com Office: 205-968-6232 Cell: 720-989-6747 Home: 303-316-9303 -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Barbara Barrett [mailto:paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:15 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] How do you record general information? I am a returning user of CFT v 3.14d I started my family tree a few years ago, basically transcribing some paper based records of my fathers, and I am now taking up where he left off, adding the latest generations. I think I have mastered the basics of CFT but I was wondering how to go about recording information that is general in nature, information that pertains to many generations. For example, like many families, many generations of my family lived in the same English village. What's the best way to record that information so that it can be included in a family history without having to attach it to one or more individuals? I'd welcome advice from other CFT users Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Ira, I occasionally end yup with the CFT program not showing features like the various PRINT reports. When I run the install again, it comes back. I frequently clean up my cookie. Am I erasing something I should not be? Any idea what is causing this. User tip for those on outlook or other contact management: I have started saving the e-mail addresses of people who ask about certain family under a category of that family. If someone ask about Hildebrandt, I add them to a contact group of G-Hildebrandt. I have been able to go back and bring others into discussions of the family they are asking about. Ron Ronald H. Hoffman HealthSouth Transition Team Ron.Hoffman@HealthSouth.com RonHoffman@yahoo.com Office: 205-968-6232 Cell: 720-989-6747 Home: 303-316-9303 -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Barbara Barrett [mailto:paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:15 PM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CFTW] How do you record general information? I am a returning user of CFT v 3.14d I started my family tree a few years ago, basically transcribing some paper based records of my fathers, and I am now taking up where he left off, adding the latest generations. I think I have mastered the basics of CFT but I was wondering how to go about recording information that is general in nature, information that pertains to many generations. For example, like many families, many generations of my family lived in the same English village. What's the best way to record that information so that it can be included in a family history without having to attach it to one or more individuals? I'd welcome advice from other CFT users Regards Paul Barrett paul.barrett@hornton.org.uk ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

No, sorry - no color selection. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Whiteley [mailto:sbwhiteley@iee.org] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:13 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CFTW] Editing story in standard event >Ira, I never did retrieve the dates I lost before I wrote to you some months back. The purpose of this message is to ask if is possible to select colours for printing charts. I think it would be a useful feature if all live entries could be printed in, say, green so that they stand out from deceased entries when printing Ancestor or Descendant charts. Regards, Steve Whiteley, Ambleside, Cumbria, UK. Please reply to sbwhiteley@iee.org ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

>Ira, I never did retrieve the dates I lost before I wrote to you some months back. The purpose of this message is to ask if is possible to select colours for printing charts. I think it would be a useful feature if all live entries could be printed in, say, green so that they stand out from deceased entries when printing Ancestor or Descendant charts. Regards, Steve Whiteley, Ambleside, Cumbria, UK. Please reply to sbwhiteley@iee.org

At opening dialog you would create a NEW database, then once inside that empty database you go to File Menu - Import from Ver 2. If things seem to not be correct at that point I suggest that you first do a Rebuild (Tools Menu) in Ver 2, then do the import, then do another Rebuild after it is over in Ver 3. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mr. Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software www.cf-software.com -----Original Message----- From: hooker [mailto:hooker@zoominternet.net] Sent: 27. december 2004 03:07 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not Thanks for getting back with me Jerry. The menus at the top containing the file menus are not even avaliable. It starts with a small box in front of the main screen that asks for a database selection. OK I got that to go away by naming my database. I then tried the import from Ver 2 and it did something but I still can't see any data.. Any Ideas? Do you use this newer version yourself? I should be seeing several hundred IRN's.. Joe ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: CFT-WIN-admin@rootsweb.com

Mary Christmas, Joe. I have one more suggestion: it may be necessary for you to first upgrade to a later version 2 (we reached V2.51, if I remember correctly) before we Ira came out with V3 This is actually a very active discussion list, so just wait a fes more days and I trust you will get the answer yoy are looking for! Christmas is a busy time of the year. Jens Brammer, Denmark -----Original Message----- From: hooker [mailto:hooker@zoominternet.net] Sent: 27. december 2004 03:07 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CFTW] CFTW-To Upgrade or not Thanks for getting back with me Jerry. The menus at the top containing the file menus are not even avaliable. It starts with a small box in front of the main screen that asks for a database selection. OK I got that to go away by naming my database. I then tried the import from Ver 2 and it did something but I still can't see any data.. Any Ideas? Do you use this newer version yourself? I should be seeing several hundred IRN's.. Joe