I fully agree. Jens. >Since this is really an informal list, maintained by me for Ira, I feel >that ANYTHING posted here that helps with installation of CFT, and >its use, is "fair game" for discussion here

The web site is: http://www.progeny2.com/progeny2/index.htm You can download a demo only that cannot create any chart for you, it just prints demos on data they have included. You have to buy the program. The price is $30 plus $5 shipping. It draws some pretty neat charts. Ed Blakeley At 09:58 AM 3/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >>You are correct. CFT-Win only does US letter or A4 sizes. My suggestion >>is >>a program called GED*MATE. It will produce all kinds of fancy charts from >>any GEDCOM file. Can be used in conjunction with CFT-Win. >> >>Do you have the URL or address to obtain GED*MATE? Thanks. > > >No, I cannot find a web site to download the demo for GED*MATE. But here's >the info on the company. > >Progeny Software Inc. >5518 Prospect Road >New Minas, Nova Scotia >Canada B4N 3K8 > >Office: 902 681-1131 >Fax: 902 681-2747 >Order Line: 800-565-0018 > (001-902-681-1151 from overseas) > >E-Mail: info@progeny2.com >CompuServe: 71652,3205 > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > Ira J. Lund > Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA > Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com > http://www.cf-software.com > > >

Ira I have been back through the relationships and checked that the child is shown correctly. I also removed a marriage event for Male A and Female B, just adding an "Engagement of Marriage" to Female B, and reordered the multiple marriage order (under <EDIT> <Multiple Marriage Order>) to make Female B the first 'marriage' event for Male A. The "Engagement of Marriage" is also automatically listed in the events for Male A. The way the descendent report runs seems to be dependent on where this event is listed for Male A. If I list it in the correct chronological order, ie as occurring BEFORE Male A's marriage to Female C, then the report does not differentiate whose child the result of the first union was and I get the problem I first contacted you about. However, if I list the Engagement last in Male A's events (ie not in correct chronological order) then the report separates out the various events and says Male A and Female C were married and had the following children, then goes on and says Male A and Female B were engaged to be married and had the following children. This solves the confusion about whose child is whose, but leaves a chronology problem in Male A's events. I can live with this, but is there anything else I can do? John L Smith Canberra ACT Australia johnsmith@interact.net.au URL: http://users.interact.net.au/~plsj/ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J. Lund [SMTP:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Sunday, 8 March 1998 3:08 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Problems with extra-marital relationships and offspring Almost certainly something messed up int he pointers here. Try removing that problem child (disconnect Fix Relationships) and then reconnecting. Are you certain that he is properly listed under the right couple? I would certainly double check all that. Ira At 09:39 PM 3/6/98 +1100, you wrote: >I have a problem in reporting (via a Descendant report) on a situation where a Male A was engaged to be married. The betrothed Female B was pregnant but called off the marriage, later giving birth to a son. The Male A then later married another Female C and had three children. I listed the first woman Female B as "Engaged to be married" (and as a spouse) and showed the male offspring as a result of the union. Then I showed the second female Female C as a second spouse having married the Male A and producing three offspring. When I run the report, it says (under the Male A name) Male A engaged to Female B, then Male A married to Female C, then lists the children of the marriage, then lists the children of the premarital relationship saying "They had the following children" etc but it doesn't distinguish the fact that this child is the result of the first relationship. I haven't had this situation occur in other multiple relationships, and as a matter of fact I have anothe! >r situation in the same report, a defacto with children from the first marriage, that reports correctly. Can you advise please. PS I'm using CFT 2.26.

In v.2.29x, in any Note, whenever I click on SpellCheck Word, the routine substitues "No ole automation interface" for the word in question. Should I click on SpellCheck Entry, the routine goes wild and substitutes the aforesaid message for *every single word* in the Note. Is this a new error in SpellCheck or have I lost or lost connection to a file somewhere? Jon ______________________________ | | | EMQUAD International, Ltd. | | P.O. Box 60 | | Great Neck, NY 11022 | | - | | emquad@worldnet.att.net | | http://home.att.net/~emquad | | - | | Consulting Division | | Publishing Division | |______________________________|

Almost certainly something messed up int he pointers here. Try removing that problem child (disconnect Fix Relationships) and then reconnecting. Are you certain that he is properly listed under the right couple? I would certainly double check all that. Ira At 09:39 PM 3/6/98 +1100, you wrote: >I have a problem in reporting (via a Descendant report) on a situation where a Male A was engaged to be married. The betrothed Female B was pregnant but called off the marriage, later giving birth to a son. The Male A then later married another Female C and had three children. I listed the first woman Female B as "Engaged to be married" (and as a spouse) and showed the male offspring as a result of the union. Then I showed the second female Female C as a second spouse having married the Male A and producing three offspring. When I run the report, it says (under the Male A name) Male A engaged to Female B, then Male A married to Female C, then lists the children of the marriage, then lists the children of the premarital relationship saying "They had the following children" etc but it doesn't distinguish the fact that this child is the result of the first relationship. I haven't had this situation occur in other multiple relationships, and as a matter of fact I have anothe! >r situation in the same report, a defacto with children from the first marriage, that reports correctly. Can you advise please. PS I'm using CFT 2.26. ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

George, when you get your site ready I think I shall place a link on my with "Technical Tips" or whatever. So let me know when you have it. And thanks for the very generous compliments on my program, tech support, etc. Much appreciated. Ira At 12:54 AM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:15 PM 3/5/98 -0800, Peter Lex wrote: > >>GREAT GREAT ABSOLUTELY GREAT >> >>Dear George, >> >>Me for my person I have to thank you for your very intersting and clear >>description of the problem. It was not a computer slang I could > >Peter, thanks for your reply. I have received many replies, all in the same >tone as yours. Because of this, I am going ahead and constructing a web >page on my web site, giving some of this information, and including hints >and tips about installing software programs. > >If any of you out there have any tips to share with the world, be sure to >let me know and I will include them on the web page, giving you due >credit of course. > >I'm not an expert, and learn something new every day about the problems >with Win95, especially with driver conflicts and software programs. Now >if I could only figure out why basic Win95 utilities keep disappearing from >my hard drive! (GRIN) About once a week, I have to reinstall all the sound >files, all the utilities such as WordPad, NotePad, the Sound Volume Control, >etc. Heck, I've even put them in directories different from the default and >made shortcuts to them, and Win95 finds them there and deletes them >also. It's extremely aggravating and no one seems to know why it keeps >happening. I suspect a driver somewhere on my hard-drive, perhaps left >over from Windows 3.11, that is causing the problems. I subscribe to >several daily newsletters that pass along such problems between software >and other drivers, and it is amazing how many such problems there are. > >By the time we get all this figured out with Win95, Win98 will be out and >we will have to start all over again with Microsoft's mistakes. > >SgtGeorge >CFT-WIN List Administrator > ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>You are correct. CFT-Win only does US letter or A4 sizes. My suggestion >is >a program called GED*MATE. It will produce all kinds of fancy charts from >any GEDCOM file. Can be used in conjunction with CFT-Win. > >Do you have the URL or address to obtain GED*MATE? Thanks. No, I cannot find a web site to download the demo for GED*MATE. But here's the info on the company. Progeny Software Inc. 5518 Prospect Road New Minas, Nova Scotia Canada B4N 3K8 Office: 902 681-1131 Fax: 902 681-2747 Order Line: 800-565-0018 (001-902-681-1151 from overseas) E-Mail: info@progeny2.com CompuServe: 71652,3205 ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

G'day, It is a real bastard! HURU Mike

Good evening again, may I attach this information to the message I wrote 20minutes ago, this info is new for me, may be also for others - but it shows the tremendous amount of searchers and a part of them should have PC and looking for gen-software. Peter Lex "According to a 1997 Newsweek article, "42 million Americans have started to trace their heritage." That reinforces an earlier USA Today poll in which 74.4 percent of the respondents indicated that they were "extremely/very interested" in learning more about their family trees. But all genealogists, whether long-time practitioners or new converts, have a dilemma. On the one hand, we are dedicated to saving the past, and this dedication has driven us to find ways to clean and store crumbling ........"

George W. Durman wrote: > > At 05:20 PM 3/5/98 -0600, Ira J. Lund wrote: > > >This is one reason that I really like the Internet and my Web site - I can > >provide FRESH software immediately to everyone. I make a change and > >to retail stores. > > BRAVO !!!!! BRAVO !!!!! for you Ira. Please don't ever succumb to the temp- > tation to let a company take over your programs. We all have had experiences > with "other" genealogy companies, and the problems of getting answers to > questions, solving problems, etc. One of the MAJOR positive points -----++++++++++++++++++----REACTION-------------++++++++++++ Dear CFTW friends REGUALRELY I READ MESSAGES ABOUT SUGGESTIONS TO PROMOTE THIS PROGRAMM. I WOULD BE INTERESTET TO LEARN WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE TO REALIZE THESE IDEAS. I WOULD HAVE A SPORTIVE SUGGESTION . IN MY CONTACTS I MAKE OF COURSE THE SAME EXPERIENCE COULD NT WE TRY AN ACTION IN THAT WAY: everybody who has a little experience in marketing or advertising should post some suggestions - in a certain time, lets say 30 days. about these ideas should sombody decide - so a committee of three people with ...... qualification should after this make a suggestion of 2-3 campaigns. Discussing further "sportiv" and presenting the result of the decision to Ira. A 2nd committee collects the addressess of the people who would like to assist. 3rd step if Ira agrees - realising it. Again,sportiv, and not big plans but may be effectfully. All these messages should be send with the text in "references" eg -marketing- not interested collegues will not be bothered. What is your meaning ? Peter Lex http://w3.datanet.hu/~lex

Sgt George, > If any of you out there have any tips to share with the world, be sure to > let me know and I will include them on the web page, giving you due > credit of course. My husband is a Microsoft Technical Instructor (no, he doesn't work for MS) specialising in Windows 95/98. He's overseas at the moment, but I could ask him about your notepad etc problem:) I could also ask him if there's anything else that is not widely known about either o/s. Just a thought. BTW, Dad and I use Ira's program (it's on dad's machine, we're buying a second license when v3.0 comes out) and we both love it. It is THE best genie-program we've tried out. And thanks for running a great list:) Cheers...Natalie > By the time we get all this figured out with Win95, Win98 will be out and > we will have to start all over again with Microsoft's mistakes. ************************************************* Natalie Rimlinger Canberra, Australia Researching: France - Rimlinger, Roche, Le Grand, Letellier, Houard, Ferrier France/USA/Australia - Marduel Holland - de Bont, de Croon/de Kroon, van Gils, Senders Ireland/Lanc,UK/Aust- Heaney, Mitchell, Howarth Ireland/Oh, Mo, USA - Tivy, Murrin

Hello all, Can someone please advise me. I have version 2.27 and I have several things such as obituaries etc in my notes section. In the previous version Iwas able to cut and paste these notes and make them into documents through the Document editor. I have just tried to do this with another obituary and when i go to do a word check on it after putting it into a document I get 'No ole automation interface' come up and if I do a full spellcheck it continuously scrolls this message! What do I do? Thanks Kay -- Kay Hinnrichsen from Western Australia! <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9647/> Main names I am researching are: WILSON, BOSANKO, JOLLY, NANKIVELL, HINRICHSEN, ROGERS, HURST, FARAM, MUSICKA. Others are Tonkin, Matthews, Jones, Ecclestone, Grillett, Rundle.

I have a problem in reporting (via a Descendant report) on a situation where a Male A was engaged to be married. The betrothed Female B was pregnant but called off the marriage, later giving birth to a son. The Male A then later married another Female C and had three children. I listed the first woman Female B as "Engaged to be married" (and as a spouse) and showed the male offspring as a result of the union. Then I showed the second female Female C as a second spouse having married the Male A and producing three offspring. When I run the report, it says (under the Male A name) Male A engaged to Female B, then Male A married to Female C, then lists the children of the marriage, then lists the children of the premarital relationship saying "They had the following children" etc but it doesn't distinguish the fact that this child is the result of the first relationship. I haven't had this situation occur in other multiple relationships, and as a matter of fact I have another situation in the same report, a defacto with children from the first marriage, that reports correctly. Can you advise please. PS I'm using CFT 2.26. John L Smith Canberra ACT Australia johnsmith@interact.net.au URL: http://users.interact.net.au/~plsj/

Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:42:53 EST, sfrome@juno.com (Steven J. Frome) wrote: >On 3/5 to CFT-WIN, Ira wrote: > >You are correct. CFT-Win only does US letter or A4 sizes. My suggestion >is a program called GED*MATE. It will produce all kinds of fancy charts from >any GEDCOM file. Can be used in conjunction with CFT-Win. > >Do you have the URL or address to obtain GED*MATE? Thanks. GedMate changed name to Corel Family Publisher some time ago. Now I have heard it is included in Family Heritage. A demo version might be downloaded from the following URL in Norway: http://www.embla.org/progeny/fampub.exe or http://www.embla.org/progeny/fampub.zip Regards Sigurd Eliassen Norway

At 06:26 PM 3/6/98 +0000, Rimlinger, Natalie wrote: >My husband is a Microsoft Technical Instructor (no, he doesn't work for MS) specialising in Windows >95/98. He's overseas at the moment, but I could ask him about your notepad etc problem:) I could >also ask him if there's anything else that is not widely known about either o/s. By all means ask him. I have many contacts that would like to know the answer to this problem. >BTW, Dad and I use Ira's program (it's on dad's machine, we're buying a second license when v3.0 >comes out) and we both love it. It is THE best genie-program we've tried out. Thanks for the support of Ira's program. Just pass the word to everyone you know. Since Ira doesn't go in for mass-media advertisement, the only way others find out about his fantastic program is mainly by word of mouth. My faith in common sense and human intelligence would be renewed if CFT would someday be recognized for the superior product that it is. >And thanks for running a great list:) No thanks necessary. As many mailing list subscribers have learned, I do not hesitate to "bad-mouth" programs that I find "less than adequate", and I also do not hesitate to praise those that I find superior. Loyalty is what led me to volunteer to run this List for Ira. SgtGeorge

I redownloaded 2.29 today and installed over "2.28". When I check the "help/about", it still said 2.28 and I still had the flag problem. I then uninstalled CFTW and installed 2.29 again. Living flag problem is fixed. Of course I get the backup error 160. I never used to get it though. With not using CFTW for a while I do not recall whether this started happening before 2.29. ( Maybe Ira will perform some more wizardry in 2.30.. but not tooo soon ). Regards

At 05:20 PM 3/5/98 -0600, Ira J. Lund wrote: >This is one reason that I really like the Internet and my Web site - I can >provide FRESH software immediately to everyone. I make a change and you can >get it right away. I also create CFT-Win disks as we fill orders, thus >every order that leaves my office is FRESH. Ver 2.29 was placed in orders >the day it was posted on my Web site. That's another reason I am not too >keen on letting another company mass produce, warehouse and ship my product >to retail stores. BRAVO !!!!! BRAVO !!!!! for you Ira. Please don't ever succumb to the temp- tation to let a company take over your programs. We all have had experiences with "other" genealogy companies, and the problems of getting answers to questions, solving problems, etc. One of the MAJOR positive points about your products is the immediate and constant contact between you and the users. I have had many, many private emails from List subscribers who praise your technical and customer support. You certainly don't get this kind of support from ANY of the other programs. Just keep on "keeping on" as you are doing and sooner or later you will leave all the others "in the dust". BTW, on other mailing lists, I'm seeing more and more discontent with FTW from Broderbund. People are finally starting to realize that when they purchase FTW they are purchasing a second-rate program, and being seduced by the hundreds of CD-ROM GEDCOM files that Broderbund "borrows"/"procures" from various sources. The availability of these "family histories" looks good for new genealogy researchers, but they soon realize that the data is not documented and cannot be relied upon for accuracy. Keep up the good work, SgtGeorge

At 09:15 PM 3/5/98 -0800, Peter Lex wrote: >GREAT GREAT ABSOLUTELY GREAT > >Dear George, > >Me for my person I have to thank you for your very intersting and clear >description of the problem. It was not a computer slang I could Peter, thanks for your reply. I have received many replies, all in the same tone as yours. Because of this, I am going ahead and constructing a web page on my web site, giving some of this information, and including hints and tips about installing software programs. If any of you out there have any tips to share with the world, be sure to let me know and I will include them on the web page, giving you due credit of course. I'm not an expert, and learn something new every day about the problems with Win95, especially with driver conflicts and software programs. Now if I could only figure out why basic Win95 utilities keep disappearing from my hard drive! (GRIN) About once a week, I have to reinstall all the sound files, all the utilities such as WordPad, NotePad, the Sound Volume Control, etc. Heck, I've even put them in directories different from the default and made shortcuts to them, and Win95 finds them there and deletes them also. It's extremely aggravating and no one seems to know why it keeps happening. I suspect a driver somewhere on my hard-drive, perhaps left over from Windows 3.11, that is causing the problems. I subscribe to several daily newsletters that pass along such problems between software and other drivers, and it is amazing how many such problems there are. By the time we get all this figured out with Win95, Win98 will be out and we will have to start all over again with Microsoft's mistakes. SgtGeorge CFT-WIN List Administrator

George W. Durman wrote: > > At 11:56 PM 3/4/98 -0800, Peter Lex wrote: > >good eving everybody, > > > >didn t you all feel -today was a hard working day, and for relaxing I as > > Hi CFT-WIN subscribers. Felt I had to answer Peter's reply to my > previous posting. > > Yes, Peter, this List is for discussion of the CFT program, BUT..... > Since there seems to be problems with many users' installation, > I thought it prudent to offer some suggestions. I believe that any- > thing that helps CFT installation is of value here on this List. Many > CFT users are NOT experts, nor do they have access to sites to > help them with installation. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~A N S W E R GREAT GREAT ABSOLUTELY GREAT Dear George, Me for my person I have to thank you for your very intersting and clear description of the problem. It was not a computer slang I could understand. I thank you also for this because my plan was to substitute my system by a notebook and have collected price offers also from Toshiba. What you described could be guilty for more brands then this. One hour ago I started to change my mind - with your clear descrition it is clear for me. Desk Top, Windows 3.11 and protesting against the industry of Bill and his childy software. If I should have problems in future I go back to the printout of your explanation. With my yesterdays reaction to the stream here I feel we made a step forward. Clear description also for non profis on your message Peter Lex http://w3.datanet.hu/~lex

I can vouch for that too, Ira. You will recall that it was only in the last year I bought CFT ver 1. It is still on sale here in Canberra Australia at the computer markets. I haven't noticed it in the retail stores though, but then I haven't seen CFT in any stores here. Perhaps we need a marketing push? John L Smith Canberra ACT Australia johnsmith@interact.net.au URL: http://users.interact.net.au/~plsj/ -----Original Message----- From: Ira J. Lund [SMTP:ira.lund@cf-software.com] Sent: Friday, 6 March 1998 10:21 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Reply About Installation Problems (FROM LISTOWNER !!!!!) Pertaining to George's long post about NAV problems and graphic drivers etc. I can tell you that it even happens with my software. Years ago I licensed a firm to sell on disk copies of a program I called "Our Family Tree" - a very old DOS program. I dare say that it has been at least 3 years since that company has even ceased to exist - yet can you believe that I still get registration letters from people who just purchased one of these disks? I can hardly believe how long that stuff lasts. This is one reason that I really like the Internet and my Web site - I can provide FRESH software immediately to everyone. I make a change and you can get it right away. I also create CFT-Win disks as we fill orders, thus every order that leaves my office is FRESH. Ver 2.29 was placed in orders the day it was posted on my Web site. That's another reason I am not too keen on letting another company mass produce, warehouse and ship my product to retail stores. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com