Just to keep you updated, here is an email from Tim Pierce, one of the "gurus" at RootsWeb. Please read ALL of his post. I know it's long, but there's lots of stuff in his message. I DO take exception to some of Palladium's claims, especially the one about "the only genealogical software that can be used by novices but provides all the capabilities that experienced genealogists need". That's pure "hogwash"! There are many genealogy programs on the market that can be used by "novices" AND that can provide all the capabilities that "experienced" genealogists need. I had lots more to say about this "joint venture", but decided I didn't need to get into trouble with the folks at RootsWeb, so deleted the arguments. All of you are smart enough to see this for what it is. Regards, SgtGeorge Listowner Hi, Folks -- I think a few apologies are in order. The situation with the Palladium sponsorship has been very tricky. Palladium wanted to keep the partnership a surprise until they could make a formal announcement at this week's NGS conference. So Brian was under a non-disclosure agreement to keep it under wraps until almost the very last minute. He *couldn't* tell anyone. Before he left for Denver, Brian asked me to announce the sponsorship to listowners@rootsweb, so that the listowners wouldn't be kept out of the loop. Well, you probably noticed I didn't do that. Between setting up the Palladium banners, blocking attempted spam attacks, and nursing sick listservers back to health, I just forgot that you all had to be notified. So it's my fault that the listowners got taken by surprise. I'm awfully sorry about that -- as someone observed, I'm a hacker, not a communications director. Keeping *people* informed isn't my specialty. :-) So, down to the nitty gritty: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ROOTSWEB LISTOWNERS? ------------------------------------------- Here's the letter from Brian that I should have posted to listowners on the day of the announcement. This is a good summary of the meaning of the sponsorship and its immediate impact on listowners. Dear RootsWeb Community, On 1 April 1998, Palladium Interactive reinforced the contributions of thousands of individual genealogists by becoming the sole commercial sponsor of the oldest and largest Internet genealogical resource: the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. An *extremely* important aspect of the sponsorship is that Palladium's commitment to RootsWeb goes far beyond simple financial support: Palladium and RootsWeb will work together to develop an exciting new generation of tools linking individual genealogists' lineage databases to the myriad data resources on the Internet. Palladium Interactive is the creator of the Ultimate Family Tree software for genealogists, the only genealogical software that can be used by novices but provides all the capabilities that experienced genealogists need. UFT itself has a distinguished lineage, being descended the widely-acclaimed Roots III and Roots IV software packages that defined professional-grade genealogical software more than a decade ago. Rootsweb also traces its origins back more than a decade to the founding of the ROOTS-L mailing list and the Roots Surname List query system. Now with more than 300,000 users, RootsWeb currently hosts more than 2,500 genealogical Websites and more than 3,100 mailing lists dedicated to surname and locality research. The hosted Websites include: * the Roots Surname List, which now includes 404,000 submissions from 55,000 genealogists * 40 of the 50 USGenWeb state pages and a large majority of the 3,100 county pages * the USGenWebArchives with hundreds of megabytes of searchable data * and hundreds of other resources Besides ROOTS-L, RootsWeb also hosts 3,100+ other mailing lists dedicated to the discussion of specific surnames, ethnic groups, and geographic localities. RootsWeb's Web servers handle 1,000,000+ Web "hits" each day, and RootsWeb's list servers allow genealogists to exchange 3,000,000+ pieces of e-mail each day. While RootsWeb has historically been supported by thousands of individual contributors and while individual contributions will remain RootsWeb's mainstay, Palladium's contribution provides RootsWeb with the ability to substantially increase the range of resources freely available to Internet genealogists. For example, the first two months of Palladium's sponsorship have allowed us to add: * A new search engine server, which has immediately made the equivalent of 500,000 new pages of data searchable by Internet genealogists and which will allow us to upload another 4,000,000 pages in the near future. * A new high-capacity router, that will increase from 2,000 to 5,000 the number of genealogists who can simultaneously be use RootsWeb. * A new mailing list archive server, which will enable genealogists to conveniently scan the archived posts of our 3,100 mailing using their Web browsers. In addition to the immediate, tangible benefits of Palladium's sponsorship, RootsWeb believes that the joint Palladium-RootsWeb software development projects will provide much, much greater benefits to the genealogical community. Over time we expect to see the seamless integration of Ultimate Family Tree with the burgeoning genealogical resources on the Internet, allowing even novice users to easily find Internet Websites, mailing lists, and databases where they can extend and refine their understanding of their family's history. On behalf of the million members of the Internet genealogical community, RootsWeb thanks Palladium for their contributions to the near-term needs and long-term advancement of our community. Sincerely, Dr. Brian Leverich So there's the official story. As to some of the concerns that have begun to float around: WILL MANDATORY FEES BE IMPOSED ON LIST SUBSCRIBERS? --------------------------------------------------- No. RootsWeb is free: it is a resource provided free of charge to the general genealogical community. Period. Some people have expressed worry about the phrase ``services at minimal cost'' in Brian's letter. Minimal means zero: we will not charge across-the-board fees to subscribe to mailing lists or run archive searches. The reason that for emphasizing ``minimal cost'' rather than ``no cost'' is to remind people that running RootsWeb does cost real money, and we want to encourage as many people as possible to become RootsWeb Members and Sponsors. DOES THIS MEAN THAT UFT OWNS MY MAILING LIST OR MY DATA? -------------------------------------------------------- No. Absolutely not. Palladium's sponsorship has *no* effect whatever on RootsWeb's relationship with the listowners or list subscribers. The terms of the sponsorship are limited to underwriting the cost of RootsWeb operating expenses, and funding new research projects. There is no way that RootsWeb would enter into a commercial partnership that would involve taking away your rights as genealogists, listowners and RootsWeb sponsors. RootsWeb's chief source of funding is still from individual subscriptions. That's how Brian and Karen prefer things: it means keeping people our highest priority, and it's the best way to avoid compromising your interests in favor of some nameless corporate machine. The goal here is to augment our main financial support with a healthy partnership to produce some really powerful genealogical tools. Regards, Tim Pierce RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative volunteer sysadmin and general hacker

Following is a press release by Palladium Interactive. We Listowners were not informed of this beforehand and only learned of it by seeing the press release. RootsWeb is getting some necessary financial support, although I, as a Listowner, am a little concerned over the fact that Palladium's software programs will be the only ones that are built to directly connect with RootsWeb and the files there. This could certainly give them a great advantage in the market for genealogy programs, since many RootsWeb users may be tempted to buy or switch to Palladium's programs. Not saying it's good or bad, just making a comment. If you wish more information on this subject, go to the following URL and click on the upper left corner. SgtGeorge Listowner ************************************************** ULTIMATE FAMILY TREE PRESS RELEASE PALLADIUM SUPPORTS ROOTSWEB GENEALOGICAL DATA COOPERATIVE (DENVER, CO) May 5, 1998, National Genealogy Society Conference - In a move that will support and enhance the efforts of thousands of genealogists worldwide, Palladium Interactive has become the sole commercial sponsor of the oldest and largest Internet genealogical resource, the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative, the company announced today. With more than 300,000 users, RootsWeb currently hosts more than 3,000 genealogy-related homepages on its site, and their daily web traffic exceeds 1,000,000. The site also hosts the genealogy web sites for 40 of the 50 USGenWeb state pages, and a large majority of the 3,100 county pages. Palladium will build an Internet "spider" and search tool specifically for genealogists, with design and programming assistance from RootsWeb. Palladium will also integrate tools into its genealogy products that give users easy access to RootsWeb web sites and other related subject matter. "We're proud to have the opportunity to sponsor RootsWeb, and become part of a data cooperative that is held in such high regard within the genealogy community," said Ed Bernstein, president and chief executive officer of Palladium Interactive. "Palladium is committed to RootsWeb's continual growth, and this sponsorship provides RootsWeb with the ability to offer even more tools and resources for genealogy enthusiasts." "Palladium has more experience and cares more about genealogy than any other software company today," said Dr. Brian Leverich, co-founder of RootsWeb. "Their highly acclaimed titles, focused commitment to genealogy and innovative positioning are a perfect fit for our online genealogical data cooperative. Palladium's sponsorship role will allow RootsWeb to continue to provide the most valuable and in-depth data available on the Internet." In separate releases today, Palladium announced the Ultimate Family Data Library series, a collection of valuable records, reports and other vital statistics for use with any genealogy software currently on the market. Palladium also revealed it would be releasing a pocket version of its award-winning Ultimate Family Tree software for the PalmPilot hand-held PC. About Palladium Interactive: Headquartered in San Rafael, Calif., Palladium Interactive develops and publishes three main lines of top quality consumer software. Palladium's Ultimate line of home productivity software (www.uftree.com) includes Ultimate Family Tree, Family Tree Companion and Ultimate Photo Wizard Deluxe. In addition, Palladium is the exclusive sponsor of RootsWeb, the oldest and largest online genealogy data cooperative. The Parroty Interactive line, including Microshaft Winblows 98, (www.winblows.com) and PYST (www.pyst.com), has parodied many of the most famous cultural icons in the world including Star Wars, The X-Files, Microsoft and the best-selling CD-ROM game, MYST. The Palladium Kids brand publishes CD-ROMs based on some of the most recognized licenses on the businesses including products based on Lisa Frank, the category leader in girls creativity products and WISHBONE, the popular PBS television show (www.wwwishbone.com). For more information on Palladium Interactive and its products, the company's web site can be accessed at http://www.palladium.net. About RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: RootsWeb's own genealogy runs back more than a decade to the days of net.roots, and all of its databases, mailing lists, and other activities are open to the public. RootsWeb hosts 40 the country's state genealogical societies, and the site sends up 3,000,000 subscriber e-mails each day. RootsWeb has two main objectives: 1) to make large volumes of data available to the online genealogical community at a minimal cost, and 2) to provide support services to online genealogical activities such as USENET newsgroup moderation, mailing list maintenance, surname list generation, etc. For more information visit the company's web site at www.rootsweb.com. CONTACT: Robert Naify Palladium Interactive (415) 464-5500, ext. 417 rnaify@palladium.net RootsWeb Brian Leverich (805) 242-3351 leverich@rootsweb.com © 1998 Palladium Interactive, Inc.

> Ira; > My problem is I have about 6 males each with the same name-one Samuel and > John. When I try to put the right John to John or visa versa. I get the > page saying they have two sets of parents, which is not true. How do I get > it to work right?? Now John has the children of the other John. > HELP!!!!!!!! >

I was just at CNET's Download.com and noticed the most recent version of CFT they had was 2.27. How come they are behind? Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Sports Card Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

Would it be possible to remove indents from the descendant story, or at least have an option to do so? My current descendant story printout is not easy to read because of the formating. In the example below, you can see lines that run over the right margin appear as (undesired) hanging indents on the next lines. Also, the first line of notes is indented. If I have a list of items in the notes section, the first item is indented but the others are not. Example Printout: 4 Leander Chester (LC) WAITS, Sr. Leander was born May 1862 at Sandy Springs, Fulton County, Geogia. Leander and Mary Ann DOLLAR (the daughter of Jessee DOLLAR and Mary Ann BORLEY?) were married. <NOTICE THE UNDESIRED HANGING INDENT> They had the following children: <CHILDREN LISTED HERE - NOT INCLUDED IN THIS EXAMPLE> Leander died after 1942 at Fulton County, Georgia. Mary and Martha said he died on the day that Myrtie WAITS was born. <BEGIN ITEMS IN NOTES SECTION. NOTICE FIRST LINE IS INDENTED> Listed in 1900 census on page XX. Listed in 1910 census on page XX. Listed in 1920 Census on page XX. Is there a simple way to improve the formatting of the descendant story? Thanks, Jeff At 04:27 PM 5/8/98 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Ira, from Ronnie Bates, Dawesville Western Australia. ... >My other question is in typing in the biographies is it possible to justify >the typing and also not to indent paragraphs and then leave a line beteen >each paragraph. I like the straight style of typing. I have 3500 in data >base in our family and am doing a lot of Biogs. mailto:jeff.murphy@worldnet.att.net

It is a new install of CFTW. I have reinstalled the OS 4 times over the last six months and tried CFTW each time with the same problem. I made sure that I let it install itself to the c:\cftw directory in case it did not like long file names. I have downloaded the support dlls fresh each time I did the install. I am really hoping to get this working as it is the **only** gen package that is supported under windows nt. --Craig -----Original Message----- From: Ian Fettes [SMTP:fettesi@st.net.au] Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 1:30 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: CFT Under NT 4.0 SP3 with NTFS Craig Miller wrote: >I have been trying without success to install and run CFT under >Windows NT 4.0, Service Pack 3. I have NTFS installed as the >Filesystem. I have been using CFTW under the identical setup as above, with no problems whatsoever for a long time now. Have you upgraded from a previous installation, or is this a new install of CFTW on the machine? Presumably all other applications behave correctly. If the problem only occurs with keyboard activity under CFTW, it seems to me that one or more of the CFTW support DLL's etc, may be corrupt. Apart from uninstalling and reinstalling the software, it might be worth checking that all the support files for the OCX's are on your system. These can be downloaded from the cf-software site. Ian Fettes Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Reply to: fettesi@st.net.au

>With 2.30 it would be neat to have your advice on how to upgrade from older versions. E.g. from 2.27, should one go directly to 2.30, or is it better/necessary to take the long way through 2.28 and 2.29? With any and all of my releases you can skip releases. No matter what version you currently have you should go immediately to the latest. Do not bother doing all the intermediate releases. Besides you may not have them all as I don't even keep them. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>I have been using your CFT since I first got a computer the original >programme version 2.04 which I then updated (bought both programmes from >USA) to run in Windows 95 - this was some time ago now. I won't put my >numbers in here I am sure you can check it out if necessary. Is there a >later programme and would it be of benefit for me to update and what extra >will I have to pay. (it gets a bit willing paying for updates too often). The latest is Ver 2.29 which you can freely download from my web site. The user codes have not changed and won't until Ver 3 comes out. So all future intermediate Ver 2 upgrades are free for the downloading. >My other question is in typing in the biographies is it possible to justify >the typing and also not to indent paragraphs and then leave a line beteen >each paragraph. I like the straight style of typing. I have 3500 in data >base in our family and am doing a lot of Biogs. No. Should have these capabilities in Ver 3. >Are there any exciting improvements to the programme. I am happy with most >of what it contains. If you go to my Web site and go to the About CFT-Win page you will see a long article. The section about the Future might be of interest to you. Will tell you my plans. Thanks, Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

At 09:34 AM 5/8/98 +0900, you wrote: >I think we are happy at the moment and making it work well. The main thing >is all waiting with bated breath for version 3 If I can get some time over the next month I hope to post a very-very-preliminary beta of Ver 3 so you can all take a look at and see how things are progressing. Basically, all that is programmed is the entry stuff - no reports - no indexed book - not even any tools yet (such as GED import/export and merge/split database) etc. At the slow speed I am going I still expect at least a year before final release. (I know I've said that last year it would be a year and now I'm still saying this. Well if there are any millionaires out there who wish to give me about a quarter of a million dollars then I shall gladly quit my day job and work on CFT-Win full time <grin> ) I will give more details about what is available and what is not when I finally give out the preliminary CFT-Win-3 beta. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

Thanks all for the suggestions on the glue. I'm thinking about using John Elliott's Silicone idea. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

I would like to know if anyone else has experienced system hanging in Win95. It happens to me occasionally on keystrokes or mouse clicks. The hang requires a hard reboot. I ussually run several programs at the same time including MS Outlook. Outlook has the annoying habit of periodically looking for incoming mail. Maybe it's conflicting? I would like to know if I should uninstall and reinstall or is this a known problem that would be fixed in Ver 2.30. I started with Ver 2.27 and installed 2.29 over top without uninstalling first. Stuart Ward

Thanks Ira - such a long time without your helpful and encouraging inputs. I was afraid you had started a new remodelling of your house, family, or what not! I havn't even switched to 2.29 because of all the (small?) problems reported, so I was very happy to hear, that 2.30 is coming closer. With 2.30 it would be neat to have your advice on how to upgrade from older versions. E.g. from 2.27, should one go directly to 2.30, or is it better/necessary to take the long way through 2.28 and 2.29? Thanks and welcome back, Jens, Holte, Denmark -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Ira J. Lund <ira.lund@cf-software.com> Til: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Dato: 7. maj 1998 14:42 Emne: Re: Just a Note from Listowner - WHERE IS EVERYONE? >Hey! I haven't fixed the long list of problems I got for Ver 2.29 yet. Need >to do that before we get more problems <grin> I have been busy and >hopefully sometime soon will do Ver 2.30. > >Ira

Craig Miller wrote: >I have been trying without success to install and run CFT under >Windows NT 4.0, Service Pack 3. I have NTFS installed as the >Filesystem. I have been using CFTW under the identical setup as above, with no problems whatsoever for a long time now. Have you upgraded from a previous installation, or is this a new install of CFTW on the machine? Presumably all other applications behave correctly. If the problem only occurs with keyboard activity under CFTW, it seems to me that one or more of the CFTW support DLL's etc, may be corrupt. Apart from uninstalling and reinstalling the software, it might be worth checking that all the support files for the OCX's are on your system. These can be downloaded from the cf-software site. Ian Fettes Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Reply to: fettesi@st.net.au

Hi Ira, from Ronnie Bates, Dawesville Western Australia. I have been using your CFT since I first got a computer the original programme version 2.04 which I then updated (bought both programmes from USA) to run in Windows 95 - this was some time ago now. I won't put my numbers in here I am sure you can check it out if necessary. Is there a later programme and would it be of benefit for me to update and what extra will I have to pay. (it gets a bit willing paying for updates too often). My other question is in typing in the biographies is it possible to justify the typing and also not to indent paragraphs and then leave a line beteen each paragraph. I like the straight style of typing. I have 3500 in data base in our family and am doing a lot of Biogs. Are there any exciting improvements to the programme. I am happy with most of what it contains. Regards Ronnie Bates. (Veronica Bates Mrs)

I have been trying without success to install and run CFT under Windows NT 4.0, Service Pack 3. I have NTFS installed as the Filesystem. CFT does not want to recognize any information that I enter into a dialog control. For example, if I hit new to create a new database, and type in the name 'miller' as soon as I hit enter it clears the field and then returns an error message that I need to enter a name between 1 and 8 characters. This behavior is consistent throughout CFT. Eg. When I load up the default database and look through records or modify records all fields that I type are set to nothing. Has anyone experienced such behavior? Thanks, --Craig -----Original Message----- From: Yair Sachs [SMTP:sachs@cc.huji.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 2:45 AM To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Just a Note from Listowner - WHERE IS EVERYONE? >I haven't seen any traffic here in some time. Just wondered if >there are still any subscribers. (GRIN) > > >Is CFT now so good that no one is having ANY problems? Come >on you guys, if you have questions or problems, this is the place >to air them. Let's hear from you. > >SgtGeorge >CFT-WIN List Administrator > > CFT is now VERY good, but trust us to dream up new problems whenever life seems to have settled down! I'll be off to Europe tonight, armed with a descendant list to present to my relatives in Holland. So don't be alarmed by the silence from this station for a while. Bye, Yair \*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/ Yair Sachs The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Computation Center, Communication group sachs@cc.huji.ac.il Tel: office 972-2 - 6584484 fax " 6527349 home " 6438948 mobile 052 - 608073 /*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\ ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Ira J. Lund wrote: > > Can any of you tell me what is the best "glue" to use to paste photos into > a book. I want a glue that will be flexible and last "forever". Many years > ago I used "rubber cement" as it supposedly was the best but after 10-20 > years I don't think it is. > > I figured that fellow genealogists who are into "preserving" old things > would be able to help me out here. > > Thanks, Ira > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Ira J. Lund > Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA > Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com > http://www.cf-software.com I am a photographer and my wife is a conservation picture framer. We both use 3M's Photomount adhesive. She was taught that it is archival, though I don't see any claims on the label. Jerry Crawford

I think we are happy at the moment and making it work well. The main thing is all waiting with bated breath for version 3 Barry At 01:12 7/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >I haven't seen any traffic here in some time. Just wondered if >there are still any subscribers. (GRIN) > >Hope my message about "closing" the List didn't scare any >of you off, or confuse you. > >All "closing" did was to ensure that no one could subscribe >without first having me see the request, and then, no one may >post if he/she is not a subscriber. This cuts out all those "ads" >for vacations, mailing lists, "get rich schemes", sexual things, >etc. > >Is CFT now so good that no one is having ANY problems? Come >on you guys, if you have questions or problems, this is the place >to air them. Let's hear from you. > >SgtGeorge >CFT-WIN List Administrator >

Dear Ira, Corner photo holders that you lick and stick work well. My father did a large album shortly after the World War I era and the photos are still in place in 1998 some 80 years later. Yours sincerely, Don McKee

Ira, make sure that the glue is acid free as well which means it will not ruin your pictures over the years. Max > I want a glue that will be flexible and last "forever". > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Ira J. Lund >

Ira, It would allow more attractive documents if could set manual "page breaks" in Descendent Story and other such documents. Many times part of a sentence will begin the page. John Elliott -----Original Message----- From: Ira J. Lund <ira.lund@cf-software.com> To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Just a Note from Listowner - WHERE IS EVERYONE? >Is CFT now so good that no one is having ANY problems? Come >on you guys, if you have questions or problems, this is the place >to air them. Let's hear from you. Hey! I haven't fixed the long list of problems I got for Ver 2.29 yet. Need to do that before we get more problems <grin> I have been busy and hopefully sometime soon will do Ver 2.30. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com