Ira The point I was trying to make was that the merge document function within CFT document editor did not work. The docs being merged were all in my CFT data base and were listed by document editor. Jerry > > >In previous versions I have had to split my docs because they were so > >large. Up to 30 pages. In the beta version when I tried to merge them > >into one it failed to do so. The secondary file was deleted. It was not > >till I reviewed the primary doc that I found that the merge had not > >taken place. I tried this four times with the same results. > > In Ver 3 beta the notes size should basically be unlimited. You should be > able to paste a large amount of pages into a note field. Not sure how you > did your "merge". To me I would use cut, copy and paste (CtrlX, CtrlC, > CtrlV) between another app and CFT. > > Ira

>I was a PAF user and have made my notes into PAF with the ! before each >TAG. The PAF file has 14097 RINs and 5097 MRINs. By using CFT I start with >a new file so my question to you is how can I change the NOTES from PAF to >the regular GEDCOM TAG for use in CFT without changing the complete GEDCOM >file by hand. What was the ! supposed to be for? All Notes (even if it has a !) should get imported to CFT-Win notes. Perhaps a snip (few lines) from your GED file posted here may help me better understand. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>2. Family group. >I do NOT see any Icons at all on my screen. >I have checked that the person has Note and Source. >He also has adopted Parents. >5. Edit Individual. >Again I see no Icons at all on my screen. It seems that I have heard others say something similar. Is there anyone out there who is getting icons? I can't figure out why they would not appear on the screen. The icons get compiled right into the program itself and look just fine on my computer. >4. Story tab. >I was not aware of the facility for jumping directly to the story for >another person. This makes it a bit more attractive. The hyperlink jumps are part of the TX OCX and the one thing I don't like about it is the little up-arrow when you go over a persons name. I would like to change it to a hand like on the Web but I have no control over that. >6. Edit Event >I propose to indicate clearly that FreeFormat means in fact FreeFormatDate. Maybe so, but I thought the BOX labeled DATE which boxes in all the date information indicated that. Maybe I've got to set the box off more with a different color or bevel. >The namedisplay should always start with the Key person and preferably with >the very person, not just the same name. >Now it only starts with a person being selected by NameSearch. >If you select a person in any other way it will start with some random person. It supposedly starts with whoever was at the top of the NameSearch the last time it was used. But I think I should provide a few options for this that the user can set: * Always start at top * Start with last NameSearch person * Start with Key Individual And yes, maybe I can add some date info to the side as suggested (per Ver 2). >10. Sources. >I am glad that the SourceDetail is intended to work in the way I would like. >My confusion was due to the imperfect way in which the selection of >SourceRef and SourceDetail is made in Beta1. I hope that this will be >improved and clarified. > >I find that it is an unneccessary complication to put the SourceDetail in a >separate list. I would rather be able to enter the SourceDetail as a Note >directly at the place where it belongs, that is in the Edit Event window. >I would then first select the SourceRef from a list and then optionally >enter some SourceDetail information as free text, maybe in a pop up window. >The window showing the SourceRef List could with great advantage be made >larger when the SourceDetail List is left out. I see your points here and I've got to think about this. There are reasons why I did it the way I did. Since I have allowed a Detail to be used more than once, it follows that you do not want to have a detail note field as part of the event itself, otherwise it would not be usable by other events. Secondly, entering details on the event window will end up complicating that window and making it just as complicated as the Source window which has two lists (Ref and Detail). I will do some more thinking here, but my preliminary re-assement now is that I am not sure how to make this any less confusing. The data structure is simply more complicated than Ver 2 notes and as such there is going to be more confusion about how to easily implement it. Any further suggestions or even screen layout ideas are welcome. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>In previous versions I have had to split my docs because they were so >large. Up to 30 pages. In the beta version when I tried to merge them >into one it failed to do so. The secondary file was deleted. It was not >till I reviewed the primary doc that I found that the merge had not >taken place. I tried this four times with the same results. In Ver 3 beta the notes size should basically be unlimited. You should be able to paste a large amount of pages into a note field. Not sure how you did your "merge". To me I would use cut, copy and paste (CtrlX, CtrlC, CtrlV) between another app and CFT. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>Erik has a point, but I would suggest the "key" options IN ADDITION TO >the "mouse" options, not INSTEAD OF. Yes, that is as I also planned. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

I see that I have to explain some of the points I mentioned in my E-mail of 14.50 08-06-98 +0200 in more detail. I refer to the points in above mentioned mail. 1. Navigation I do not want to kill all mices. I just want a good keyboard alternative. 2. Family group. I do NOT see any Icons at all on my screen. I have checked that the person has Note and Source. He also has adopted Parents. 3. Ancestors tab. Maybe the screen could be simplified to start with say 4-5 generations and then allow for a gradual extension to more. But I still like the old Pedigree Tree !, can't we get that too? 4. Story tab. I was not aware of the facility for jumping directly to the story for another person. This makes it a bit more attractive. 5. Edit Individual. Again I see no Icons at all on my screen. 6. Edit Event I propose to indicate clearly that FreeFormat means in fact FreeFormatDate. 7. Name Search. The new NameSearch is inconvenient to me. It takes a much longer time to go through 20 people step by step to find the right one than it takes to look at their main data directly. It is OK for me to keep the detailed information as a supplement. The namedisplay should always start with the Key person and preferably with the very person, not just the same name. Now it only starts with a person being selected by NameSearch. If you select a person in any other way it will start with some random person. 8. Wittness Event. I see the problems in reversing this facility, but I must be honest to say that this feature will be difficult for me to use in the way it is implemented to day. 10. Sources. I am glad that the SourceDetail is intended to work in the way I would like. My confusion was due to the imperfect way in which the selection of SourceRef and SourceDetail is made in Beta1. I hope that this will be improved and clarified. I find that it is an unneccessary complication to put the SourceDetail in a separate list. I would rather be able to enter the SourceDetail as a Note directly at the place where it belongs, that is in the Edit Event window. I would then first select the SourceRef from a list and then optionally enter some SourceDetail information as free text, maybe in a pop up window. The window showing the SourceRef List could with great advantage be made larger when the SourceDetail List is left out. Erik

Hai All, My name is Rob Hubert from the Netherlands, I'm a LDS member and I have translated the Dutch language file for CFTW. I use the program sends 1997 and I'm glad to have it. Just knowing that Ira is working on a new program with also a possibility to make an output to HTML and RTF. I have just a question. I was a PAF user and have made my notes into PAF with the ! before each TAG. The PAF file has 14097 RINs and 5097 MRINs. By using CFT I start with a new file so my question to you is how can I change the NOTES from PAF to the regular GEDCOM TAG for use in CFT without changing the complete GEDCOM file by hand. If anyone has suggestions please let me now. Best Wishes Rob Hubert The Netherlands http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Rob_Hubert

Hi Ira: In previous versions I have had to split my docs because they were so large. Up to 30 pages. In the beta version when I tried to merge them into one it failed to do so. The secondary file was deleted. It was not till I reviewed the primary doc that I found that the merge had not taken place. I tried this four times with the same results. Jerry

I support George on this. Please permit both options. John L Smith Canberra ACT Australia johnsmith@interact.net.au URL: http://users.interact.net.au/~plsj/ -----Original Message----- From: George W. Durman [SMTP:sgtgeorg@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, 9 June 1998 14:40 To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: CFTW3 Beta1 (From Erik Helmer Nielsen) At 08:50 AM 6/8/98 , Erik Helmer Nielsen wrote: <snip> Erik has a point, but I would suggest the "key" options IN ADDITION TO the "mouse" options, not INSTEAD OF. SgtGeorge

At 12:39 AM 6/9/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Erik has a point, but I would suggest the "key" options IN ADDITION TO >the "mouse" options, not INSTEAD OF. > >SgtGeorge > Amen! I use both a mouse and Pad with Pen. Pad and Pen beats the heck out of both mouse and key strokes for me. I seldom use key strokes because you have to remember too many of them for different applications. Ed Blakeley PS I do use Cntrl C, Cntrl X and Cntrl V a lot in editing.

George W. Durman wrote: > > >1. Navigation > Erik has a point, but I would suggest the "key" options IN ADDITION TO > the "mouse" options, not INSTEAD OF. > > SgtGeorge Yes please. As a mouse user I still like the option of shortcut keys.

At 08:50 AM 6/8/98 , Erik Helmer Nielsen wrote: >1. Navigation >The new version depends too much on the mouse, - I hate mices. >A mouse may be useful for some editing, reordering or drag and drop >functions. All normal selections should be possible by means of simple >keystrokes. Use single keys whenever possible, f.inst. ESC instead of >ALT-C. INSERT instead of ALT-I, PageUp/Arrow UP instead of ALT up etc. >The keys should be consistent throughout the various screens. Erik has a point, but I would suggest the "key" options IN ADDITION TO the "mouse" options, not INSTEAD OF. SgtGeorge

At 04:45 PM 6/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I am trying to import a Gedfile I received from someone and the Divorces >are ending up in a log file. The tag in the gedcom file says "DIVORCE", >so I tried changing them to "DIV" and still no luck. > >Any Ideas? It may be the location of the DIV tag. Can you show me several lines above and below a sample DIV tag in the GED file? Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>But will You be able to convert the old language files or do You need help from us foreign translators? It will likely require a whole new translation - especially as you see that the event sentence stuff has totally changed. >Btw I tried to translate a few things but when I closed the windows I got an ERROR.: >'Language file missing OR second instance of program not allowed.' Have had others report problems here. I shall look into it. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>Yes after installing I tried to register the two OCX's and got the same >error messages, however there does not appear to be a problem as the program >appears to be working fine. If the tx4ole.ocx did not register then going to a note will likely lock up the computer. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

At 06:24 AM 6/8/98 +1000, you wrote: >I am currently using version 2.30 and after merging a small database with >my large one I find that when I do a database verification I always end up >with a lot of names where the events are supposedly out of sequence. I >checked them and they are all in proper order. Even rebuilding the key >files doesnt correct this. Can anyone tell me why this is happening and >how to correct it? I did install the program into a different file and >tried it there and got the same response. There has been a comment or two here about a possible bug here. I shall be looking into it for Ver 2.31. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>1. Navigation >The new version depends too much on the mouse, - I hate mices. >A mouse may be useful for some editing, reordering or drag and drop >functions. All normal selections should be possible by means of simple >keystrokes. Use single keys whenever possible, f.inst. ESC instead of >ALT-C. INSERT instead of ALT-I, PageUp/Arrow UP instead of ALT up etc. >The keys should be consistent throughout the various screens. I see that a lot of you are like me. I don't like to use the mouse all the time either. >2. Family group. >I do not see any information in the blank area between Marr and SEX. Icons appear here indicating media, notes, sources attached. >I like to have information about adoptions or relation parents/children >directly on the family screen. Also if other than natural parents a letter of adopted type will appear in the blank area. >The pop up screen Parents shows all the parents, but I would like to be able >to see the relation to the child. There should be some "icons" - letters - showing whether the parent is Natural, Adopted, Foster, or other. Are you saying you don't see any such thing? >4. Story tab. >I do not quite see the use of this, apart from being a debugging tool. >What is the intention? Is it a preview of a printout? >The Misc.Data are often not shown. I'm curious as to other users opinions about this? I thought that perhaps this was one on-line window where you could read all info about the Key Individual. And you can also jump to anyone shown to see their story. >5. Edit Individual. >The switching to the Edit screen flashes. >I again see a blank area between Event and Sur without any information. >A lot of my Placenames has disappeared, they are erroneously converted to >Adresses in the conversion from vers.2, - please do not do that. >I would like the screen to show if an Event is marked Sensitive. Again, blank area has icons for notes, sources, whether the event is single or family event. Do you not see icons??? >6. Edit Event. >The Misc.Data does'nt show up in the story. >I expected that the purpose of the Free Format was to provide a modification >of the standard format for this specific event. >The actual function is not much different from what the Misc.Data does, so >is it really needed? The difference between "Free Format Date" and "Misc Data". Both are lesser used fields. The intention of the Free Format date is to enter a date that may not fit the standard - such as "Christmas 1997" or some old Latin Holy Day names that you might find in medieval Europe. Also usefully for entering "time" of event. The Misc Data varies depending on the event. For many religious events it is meant to include the name of the person who performed the rite. Thus they both get used differently in a story sentence and both are needed. >7. Name Search. >I have many persons with the same name. The new display makes it too >difficult to find the right one, - vers.2 was much easier to use. >The screen should show at least birth/chr. and placename, possibly also >death/buri. >The IRN is of secondary importance and could very well be moved to the new >information field. >The namedisplay does not always start with the Key person. The NameSearch starts with the person who you stopped with last search. I guess I hear you saying that you prefer it always start on top? > >8. Wittness Event. >This is a most interesting new facility, but... >I am offered to register that person A witnessed an event at person B, but >that is really NOT what I need to do. >I want to register who witnessed the event of person B and that is not quite >the same. >A typical case is Witnesses to a Baptism and there may be as many as 5-7 >Witnesses. These people are furthermore often known by name only and it is >not always easy at the first moment to identify them precisely. Ok. I see what you say about the direction of creating a witness event. However, not sure what I would do if you didn't attach someone already in the database as a witness to the event. >10. Sources. >I am glad to be able to register more than one source. >But I am confused about the new Source details. >What I would like to see is a Source information which in accordance with >Gedcom is divided into two parts: >- The Source Record itself with a Source Descriptive Text >- Details about the Source as related to the specific Event. > >The Event will have a pointer to a Source Record placed in a Source List. >Following this pointer is a Note field with details related to both the >Source Record and its specific use for this Event. This Source Note will >give supplementing information about the Source, but it belongs to the >Event, not to the Source. > >Example: >The Birth points to the Source Record "Personal Records" >The Source Note field contains "Birth Certificate" and it tells how the >Source Record relates to this specific Event. What you describe here sounds exactly like what I did. The Reference is the Source Record itself (the name of a book). The Detail is a detail for a specific event (such as the page number of the book). However, in CFT-Win 3 you can use the specific detail for more than one event. Thanks, Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>2. Bring back the "buttons". I assume you mean the buttons on the bottom of Ver 2 - the Change Key Ind buttons? Thanks for your ideas - and to everyone out there who posts an idea or suggestion on this list - if I don't specifically make a comment to you about your idea, it is not that I have overlooked it. I have been keeping a copy of all ideas and suggestions no matter how small they may seem. Thanks, Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

At 03:01 PM 6/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >Ira - after receiving the message below, I decided not to uninstall the >program and now I can create the error everytime. Thanks. This will help me find the problem. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

I am trying to import a Gedfile I received from someone and the Divorces are ending up in a log file. The tag in the gedcom file says "DIVORCE", so I tried changing them to "DIV" and still no luck. Any Ideas? Brian K. Willard Willard & Reese genealogy at: http://romeo.fastservers.net/~bgwilliams/index.htm