Tracy - I had a similar problem; I found that if I used the "rebuild key files" thingy (please excuse the "technical" term) from the pull down menu at the top, the programme sorted it all out! What seems to cause it, more crucially, is in the difference between the "add" and "insert"; if you place your highlighted do dadd or arrow in between two events and then type add rather than insert, it seems to gum up the works. I have a rule - add at the the end, insert in between, and it seems to happen less often now. Hope this helps. Secondly, I have been unsubscribed for a few weeks - busy season for us in the tourist trade - has there been an updated version of the programme that I've missed? Only I notice from the recent correspondence that the sources thingy (that word again) seems to have been changed to do exactly what I have always wanted it to do .. I am using a particular book for a lot of information, and having hundreds of sources i.e Book page 1, Book page 2, etc is very tedious; it would be good if I could use one source for the book itself and then just have a sub list for the page number. Is that what it does? And if there was an update I missed, how can I get it? I did purchase the version I have, so I'm entitled, I think .. does this mean you have to be permanently subscribed to this list to get informed of updates? Sorry, lots of questions .. lots of answers, please? best wishes, Moira

>I deleted the event but under birth it still wants to put her husband >BLACK in the story portion. Ok, I deleted and re-added, or I should >say INSERTED the event again. I clicked on ADD, clicked on birth but >the even wouldn't be added unless I used INSERT. Are you using Ver 2.32? This almost sounds like abug and I wonder if it wasn't fixed. If this is 2.32 let me know. I'll look into this. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

At 08:51 AM 9/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >Another problem...I went to add some info for "Nancy Schell", I had >events like birth etc. but no data in them yet. I clicked on birth and >it had her married to a David DURRENCE yet she is married to a BLACK. >I looked Durrence up and he is from my mothers side of the family and >married to a DOUGLASS. Why is this happening? Sounds like corrupt database. Try the Tools Menu - Rebuild first off and see if things are straightened out. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>I just needed to add military service to a relative who served in the >Army and Navy. He was a WWII vet. I used the military event but the >story reads funny. Does "Navy" go under Place or Misc? Anything other than a place name should go in Misc. If the sentence is funny and you don't like it, perhaps you want to create a new Std Event of your own called NAVY and write the sentence however makes sense to you? Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

Another problem...I went to add some info for "Nancy Schell", I had events like birth etc. but no data in them yet. I clicked on birth and it had her married to a David DURRENCE yet she is married to a BLACK. I looked Durrence up and he is from my mothers side of the family and married to a DOUGLASS. Why is this happening? Correction, this is what it says under Nancy Schell's BIRTH when you hit EDIT: Nancy SCHELL and David Jasper DURRENCE was born about 23 Mar 1837. I deleted the event but under birth it still wants to put her husband BLACK in the story portion. Ok, I deleted and re-added, or I should say INSERTED the event again. I clicked on ADD, clicked on birth but the even wouldn't be added unless I used INSERT. Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

Another problem...I went to add some info for "Nancy Schell", I had events like birth etc. but no data in them yet. I clicked on birth and it had her married to a David DURRENCE yet she is married to a BLACK. I looked Durrence up and he is from my mothers side of the family and married to a DOUGLASS. Why is this happening? Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:24:27 -0500, Ed Blakeley <stjoed@coolsite.net> compossed this messsge using a keyboard type contraption: >Tracy - The place would be where he was stationed. I would put the branch >of service in Misc. You can word it how you like. It would then read: >(Name) was in the Military (date) at (place) (misc). For example, mine >would read : Edward Blakeley was in the military (between May 1944 and Aug >1946) at (Cherry Point, NC) (in a Marine Air Corps night fighter squadron >as a radar technician.) In this one case, the obit only mentions the person was in the Navy and Army and was a WWII Vet. When my father was in the service he was stationed many places, should I do one event for each place and branch? Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

I hope it's this one (3 Jun 1998) Max >But will we be able to convert the one level sources in cftw2 to two >level sources in cftw3 after an import of a cftw2 database? I knew this question was coming sooner or later and I have provided a way to make this as painless as possible. So let me explain how it is done: It is all done in the Source Editor. Bring up the source editor (after an import from Ver 2) and you will see all sources are in the Reference List with none in the Details List. So what you will have to do is manually break down each source note into it's component parts. Let me illustrate with an example. Suppose I start out with the following sources (all in Ref List): Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Birth Certificate. Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Marriage Certificate. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 23. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 45-46. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 70. What I want to end up with is only 2 References and 5 Details: Ref: Lund, Ira J., Personal Records Det: Birth Certificate Det: Marriage Certificate Ref: Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund" Det: page 23 Det: page 45-46 Det: page 70 Step 1. Create a NEW Reference with just the Ref part of the source. Step 2. Add appropriate Details for that Reference. Step 3. MERGE a Source Detail with the identical Source Reference. This does two things. 1. It will change ALL pointers from individuals and events from the old Reference (Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Birth Certificate) to the new Detail (Det: Birth Certificate) and 2. It will delete the old Reference. Thus you will not have to go through every event and every individual making sure they are connected to the right source. The MERGE Source allows you to merge two Details, two References or a Detail with a Reference. In the case we have descibed you want to make sure you select the Detail First and the Reference Second. The first selection is always the PRIMARY and is retained. The Second is the Secondary and is deleted after pointers refering to it are switched to point to the Primary source. I hope this is sufficiently clear that you can follow this. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: sigurde@spjelkavik.vgs.no [SMTP:sigurde@spjelkavik.vgs.no] > Gesendet am: Sonntag, 6. September 1998 11:13 > An: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Version 3 and sources > > Just after the release of Cftw 3 Beta 1 in July 98, Ira posted a > message on the list about how to transfer the sources from one level > in version 2 to two levels in version 3. > > It seems like I by a mistake have deleted that message. Could anyone > please repost it? > > Sigurd Eliassen > Norway

Sigurd, I hope it's this one (3 Jun 1998) Max >But will we be able to convert the one level sources in cftw2 to two >level sources in cftw3 after an import of a cftw2 database? I knew this question was coming sooner or later and I have provided a way to make this as painless as possible. So let me explain how it is done: It is all done in the Source Editor. Bring up the source editor (after an import from Ver 2) and you will see all sources are in the Reference List with none in the Details List. So what you will have to do is manually break down each source note into it's component parts. Let me illustrate with an example. Suppose I start out with the following sources (all in Ref List): Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Birth Certificate. Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Marriage Certificate. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 23. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 45-46. Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund", page 70. What I want to end up with is only 2 References and 5 Details: Ref: Lund, Ira J., Personal Records Det: Birth Certificate Det: Marriage Certificate Ref: Clark, Kay L., "History of MH Lund" Det: page 23 Det: page 45-46 Det: page 70 Step 1. Create a NEW Reference with just the Ref part of the source. Step 2. Add appropriate Details for that Reference. Step 3. MERGE a Source Detail with the identical Source Reference. This does two things. 1. It will change ALL pointers from individuals and events from the old Reference (Lund, Ira J., Personal Records, Birth Certificate) to the new Detail (Det: Birth Certificate) and 2. It will delete the old Reference. Thus you will not have to go through every event and every individual making sure they are connected to the right source. The MERGE Source allows you to merge two Details, two References or a Detail with a Reference. In the case we have descibed you want to make sure you select the Detail First and the Reference Second. The first selection is always the PRIMARY and is retained. The Second is the Secondary and is deleted after pointers refering to it are switched to point to the Primary source. I hope this is sufficiently clear that you can follow this. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- > Just after the release of Cftw 3 Beta 1 in July 98, Ira posted a > message on the list about how to transfer the sources from one level > in version 2 to two levels in version 3. > > It seems like I by a mistake have deleted that message. Could anyone > please repost it? > > Sigurd Eliassen > Norway

Just after the release of Cftw 3 Beta 1 in July 98, Ira posted a message on the list about how to transfer the sources from one level in version 2 to two levels in version 3. It seems like I by a mistake have deleted that message. Could anyone please repost it? Sigurd Eliassen Norway

Hi Gang (or Gangs), I'm back from another good family research visit and turned the lists back on. Thanks for holding the mail (if there was any). Floyd E. Turner mailto:floydt@erinet.com

Tracy - The place would be where he was stationed. I would put the branch of service in Misc. You can word it how you like. It would then read: (Name) was in the Military (date) at (place) (misc). For example, mine would read : Edward Blakeley was in the military (between May 1944 and Aug 1946) at (Cherry Point, NC) (in a Marine Air Corps night fighter squadron as a radar technician.) You can change the verb for Place if you want, but the verb will be used in each instance the event is used. I use (at) for some events and (in) for some events. Ed At 06:48 AM 9/5/1998 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:51:42 GMT, tschell@mpcs.com (Mr. Tracy Schell) >compossed this messsge using a keyboard type contraption: > >>I just needed to add military service to a relative who served in the >>Army and Navy. He was a WWII vet. I used the military event but the >>story reads funny. Does "Navy" go under Place or Misc? > >Anyone got any ideas on the above? > > >Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit >my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell >Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl >My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995 > > >

G'day, As an old Navy man I have heaps of military type entries. I use:- MSRV - Military, Entry PROM - Promoted APPT - Appointed and others. I have then as CFT-Win Standard Events but I may have "invented" them myself and maybe they should be User. They work like this:- Michael entered military service 03 Jan 1945 at the RANC, FND, Westernport, VIC. "He spent the next four years at the RANC as a Cadet Midshipman......" Michael was appointed 01 Jan 1951 as Sub-Lieutenant. "He received his "Commission" in this rank on 30 Sept 1954." Michael was promoted 16 Sep 1953 to Lieutenant. I know the "Commission" bit looks a bit funny but the formal paperwork seemed to take a long time :-( The bits in "......." are NOTES attached to the event. BTW I have only used the "...." here for illustrative purposes. They do not appear in a normal print out. HURU, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Tracy Schell <tschell@mpcs.com> To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 5 September 1998 16:41 Subject: Re: Glitches/2.32 and Question on Military Service, >On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:51:42 GMT, tschell@mpcs.com (Mr. Tracy Schell) >compossed this messsge using a keyboard type contraption: > >>I just needed to add military service to a relative who served in the >>Army and Navy. He was a WWII vet. I used the military event but the >>story reads funny. Does "Navy" go under Place or Misc? > >Anyone got any ideas on the above? >

On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:51:42 GMT, tschell@mpcs.com (Mr. Tracy Schell) compossed this messsge using a keyboard type contraption: >I just needed to add military service to a relative who served in the >Army and Navy. He was a WWII vet. I used the military event but the >story reads funny. Does "Navy" go under Place or Misc? Anyone got any ideas on the above? Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:34:15 -0500, "Ira J. Lund" <ira.lund@cf-software.com> compossed this messsge using a keyboard type contraption: >I don't think it is a bug. I think it is a messed up database. Try removing >those events. Try running the rebuild. Something messy in the database. Uh-oh, don't say that.<G> I removed them. It did not occur in all marriages, just a couple I've noticed. I just needed to add military service to a relative who served in the Army and Navy. He was a WWII vet. I used the military event but the story reads funny. Does "Navy" go under Place or Misc? Mr.T (Tracy Schell) from The Sunshine State. Visit my Homepage at: http://bbs.mpcs.com/~tschell Also visit my churches webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/~ncccfl My Genealogy Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4995

Hi Gang (or Gangs), Gonna be incommunicado for a few days so have stopped mail-lists. Will sign back on and give you all a shout when I get back. )Don't want those 300 emails/day piling up!). I know I'll miss the list stuff, but if you have any personal mail, please hang on to it. Floyd E. Turner mailto:floydt@erinet.com

>The wish-list of SR's for me in order of priority would now be: >1/ Possibility to select from an numerical list of IRNS's >2/ Page breaks option available for INDIVIDUAL SUMMARY when printing >more than one individual >3/ Option available in the INDIVIDUAL STORY to have the resource text >together with each individual or at the very end of the report. > >Please understand me well. For me CFT-win is still the best available >option at the moment. The application is VERY STABLE and the database >application underneath is very reliable and that's what should be said >also! Thanks, Ted. Appreciate the suggestions. I shall see if I can incorporate some of these ideas in Ver 3. The underlying data structure for Ver 3 is quite different than that for Ver 2 and I hope that I can quickly get it to be as STABLE as the Ver 2 data structure currently is. It seems like it takes time and users to help me debug these programs. Thanks, Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>I was on the homepages, but did not see the Betaversion. Are you working on >a second version or are there troubles with the first one? Yes, I removed it. It is actually still there if you want to get at it: www.cf-software.com/cftw3.htm I hope to post Beta 2 in a month or two. I removed it to avoid confusion of some of the newer people who sometimes thought that was the latest version and wanted to start with it. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

>I installed 2.32 and seem to have found a bug. If you click on a woman >to edit events several are "married to themselves". One had three >marriage events, 2 to herself! These women did not have other spouses >under "O" command either. Any ideas? I don't think it is a bug. I think it is a messed up database. Try removing those events. Try running the rebuild. Something messy in the database. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

Hi all, Being a licenced CFT-Win user now for more than 1 1/2 year and having 'entered' the data for more than 2.5k individuals and their 'associated events' I think I'm allowed to give some user critique on some of the printing/reporting functionality within the CFT-Win system. To my opinion this printing facility is sometimes complete and sometimes far from complete depending of what you're trying to achieve. I think it is a perfect tool to develop a family-booklet as long you a database of limited size. It is different when you have some thousands of individuals all linked together however. Maintaining the printed version of the family tree (the family archives) is very cumbersome when CFT-Win however. Each time when you have worked on your family tree you would normally update your paper-copies (a bunch of binders containing your 'collections' on individuals, filed in numerical order) with new printouts on these 'updated individuals'. Here is where the pain comes in when working with CFT-Win's reporting tool: - Selection of individuals from the LIST WINDOW is not always easy. Normally I would write down the IRN's of the persons I worked. Now however I have to write down the names and details (there are many persons with the same names and even with the same years!). This causes a lot of unnecessary work! - Printing the INDIVIDUAL STORY for a number of selected persons with the option of having a page-break in between these individuals is OK but... if doing so, why are the resource names not printed each time after each separate individual. Ideally a choice would be available. - There is no option available to do automatic page-breaks in an the INDIVIDUAL SUMMARY for an number of selected persons. This is not logical at all! The wish-list of SR's for me in order of priority would now be: 1/ Possibility to select from an numerical list of IRNS's 2/ Page breaks option available for INDIVIDUAL SUMMARY when printing more than one individual 3/ Option available in the INDIVIDUAL STORY to have the resource text together with each individual or at the very end of the report. Please understand me well. For me CFT-win is still the best available option at the moment. The application is VERY STABLE and the database application underneath is very reliable and that's what should be said also! I don't know if others would like to have the same functionality. Pls. let me have your comments too. Regards, Ted Voordouw / The Netherlands E-mail:ted_voordouw@hp.com