>I have a question for all of you. Recently I received TWO supposed >GEDCOM files that were in .RTF format!!!!! Have any of the rest of >you had problems with GEDCOM's that you have received from users >of FTM or other programs? I, for one, wish those companies wouldn't >make those non-standard options available for users of their products. >Most new users just aren't computer-literate enough to know not to >use the non-standard formats. Yes, I just saw a wierd GEDCOM produced by FTM that spelled out entirely all the Standard GEDCOM tags! Easy to read if you're wanting to simply look at a GED file but pretty useless for anyone. Someone gets a hold of this and wonders why CFT-Win can't read it. I agree! It is a nuisance for us software developers to be explaining away why our programs can't read other company's psuedo-GED files. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

Would appreciate it if someone could give me an e-mail address to "unsubscribe." Thanks

yes: I've experienced the exact same thing (version 2.32x) Thought it was just my computer. Karen Pastuzyn karen.paz@internetmci.com ---------- > From: Greg Tomerlin <greg.tomerlin@nashville.com> > To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Freezeups when searching > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:50 AM > I've noticed that whenever the main window is scrolled down to a position in > which the Key Ind is out of view (for example, when the 11th child is > highlighted), and I hit the "N" key to search for a name, then CFTW goes > into a coma. The rest of Win95 continues to function properly, but CFTW > becomes unusable. The menus are not accessible, nor are the icons, > including the minimize and close buttons in the upper right-hand corner. > > Anyone else experienced similar freezeups? > > Greg Tomerlin > Lebanon, TN > greg.tomerlin@nashville.com > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >

G'day, >Anyone else experienced similar freezeups? Never - BUT my window is always big enough (so far) not to have a vertical scroll bar. I have just resized it for a trial and, yes, it happens every time. Interestingly the same thing does NOT happen in Beta1 - good. BTW - I do note that N-Key is written for both Name Search and Bookmark in the dropdown menus but B-Key works in the latter. HURU, Mike

At 06:50 AM 10/1/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >I've noticed that whenever the main window is scrolled down to a position in >which the Key Ind is out of view (for example, when the 11th child is >highlighted), and I hit the "N" key to search for a name, then CFTW goes >into a coma. The rest of Win95 continues to function properly, but CFTW >becomes unusable. The menus are not accessible, nor are the icons, >including the minimize and close buttons in the upper right-hand corner. > >Anyone else experienced similar freezeups? I specifically tried the above using Windows 98 and did not find a problem. I had infrequent freezups when I was on windows 95 which were of little concern since I never seemed to lose data and it was one of many gliches that I got using that system. I generally experienced several freeze ups a day so got used to living with them. I did not spedifically try the above when on that system. I have "upgraded" to Windows 98 and so far, no freezeups in any application after a few days operations.

I appologize and agree! CFT-WIN address somehow slipped into the mail. Hope it never happens again. Thanks th. George W. Durman wrote: > > Thomas, by now I'm sure you have seen some of the responses from > other users about your SPAM. I believe that you have been a user > long enough to know that no SPAM is allowed on these mailing Lists, > regardless of the cause... -snip- > SgtGeorge > Listowner CFT-WIN

Dear Greg, A few times when CFTW freezes up I have just pressed Control-Alternate- Delay and clicked on end-task when prompted to do so. When I load CFTW again it returns to normal. Since this only happens once in a great while it is no great hardship. Yours sincerely, Don McKee

>Since I'm here, where are all you users? Is Ira's CFT so good that >no one has any questions or problems any more? Well, since you asked... I've noticed that whenever the main window is scrolled down to a position in which the Key Ind is out of view (for example, when the 11th child is highlighted), and I hit the "N" key to search for a name, then CFTW goes into a coma. The rest of Win95 continues to function properly, but CFTW becomes unusable. The menus are not accessible, nor are the icons, including the minimize and close buttons in the upper right-hand corner. Anyone else experienced similar freezeups? Greg Tomerlin Lebanon, TN greg.tomerlin@nashville.com

G'day Ira, Having a bit of a fiddle with standard events and noticed that in constructing a new one:- %N was awarded %M on %D p{at} %P. that the "period" at the end of the statement is ESSENTIAL otherwise the "%P" gets added when there is no Place. Also, would it be possible for say "%G" (for Given Name) or some such to allow a less formal sentence when needed. Mike was awarded the Order of the Buffalo..... Also this happened when I tried to use a Free format date - note the brackets. Michael CALDER attended High School (in early 1943) at Sydney Boys High School. Will you be announcing Beta 2 when it is posted? HURU, Mike

>To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of >Human Rights, Amnesty International is collecting signatures for >a pledge to support this very important United Nations >declaration. > >Amnesty already has 3 million signatures (real and virtual) world >wide, and wants 8 million (which would be 1% of the world's population). > >The UN Secretary General has already agreed to be >present either in person or live by satellite to receive the >pledge as a tangible statement of the people of the world's >commitment to an international agenda of human rights. >The most simple way to add your name to the pledge is to >* Send an email to udhr50th@amnesty.org.au >* Put YOUR NAME in the SUBJECT >* Put the following text in the message: >"I support the rights and freedoms in the Universal Declaration of >Human Rights for all people, everywhere." > >* Forward this message to as many people as you can."

I have taken measures to assure that the poster doesn't do it again. Those of you who responded should have done so to me privately so as not to be also guilty of off-topic postings. (GRIN) You see, when a user responds to the List, he or she is only perpetuating what it is that we are trying to be stopped. Since I'm here, where are all you users? Is Ira's CFT so good that no one has any questions or problems any more? I have a question for all of you. Recently I received TWO supposed GEDCOM files that were in .RTF format!!!!! Have any of the rest of you had problems with GEDCOM's that you have received from users of FTM or other programs? I, for one, wish those companies wouldn't make those non-standard options available for users of their products. Most new users just aren't computer-literate enough to know not to use the non-standard formats. Regards, SgtGeorge Listowner

Hi Ira and All Just sending this to verify that there is still a mailing list. I have not had a single message in a week and wondered if something was wrong. Of course if I receive my own message back I will know everything is OK and things are just a bit quiet at the moment. Ian Marson Email: ianfm@fz.ml.org Web Site: http://www.mgrs.freeserve.co.uk ICQ Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1399353 --------------------------------------------------------------- M. G. Services UK Family History Research Friendly Reliable Personal Service at http://ianfm.home.ml.org

The list mom, Sgt. George, will likely speak to this, but I suspect we all pretty much agree that if it doesn't have to do with genealogy or CFT, it doesn't belong on this list. Though I can't speak to this specific instance, the overwhelming majority of these e-mail based drives are hoaxes. It's non-commmercial SPAM. Though Sgt. George has taken measures to prevent this sort of thing, it happens. Delete it and let's get back to CFT and geneaology.

I also don't believe this is the place for this type of information. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas.Tepfer@t-online.de <Thomas.Tepfer@t-online.de> To: CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com <CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:48 AM Subject: Signatures wanted for Human Rights >>To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of >>Human Rights, Amnesty International is collecting signatures for >>a pledge to support this very important United Nations >>declaration. >> >>Amnesty already has 3 million signatures (real and virtual) world >>wide, and wants 8 million (which would be 1% of the world's >population). >> >>The UN Secretary General has already agreed to be >>present either in person or live by satellite to receive the >>pledge as a tangible statement of the people of the world's >>commitment to an international agenda of human rights. >>The most simple way to add your name to the pledge is to >>* Send an email to udhr50th@amnesty.org.au >>* Put YOUR NAME in the SUBJECT >>* Put the following text in the message: >>"I support the rights and freedoms in the Universal Declaration of >>Human Rights for all people, everywhere." >> >>* Forward this message to as many people as you can." > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) >Subject: unsubscribe >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > >

I don't think that material like this - as honourable as it may be - should be published on this mailing list. Max > >To celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of > >Human Rights, Amnesty International is collecting signatures for > >a pledge to support this very important United Nations > >declaration. > >snip< > >* Forward this message to as many people as you can." >

Ira and all, This must have been asked before, but I clearly missed it: I have on my website a set of "Surname" files, generated by "Gedpage". Gedpage generates that set from a GEDCOM file. The program is similar to GED2HTML or whatever it is called exactly). One of the options is to include sources, but when I make a ("standard") GEDCOM file using CFT WIN (version 2.32x) Gedpage only creates "blank" source fields in the HTML files. Am I doing something wrong or has this something to do with the GEDCOM oputput of CFT Win? (Don't go to my website to check this, because after all I uploaded a set of pages without sources. But of course you are al welcome on my website). Regards, René Hasekamp Visit my website at/ Bezoek mijn website op: http://www.hasekamp.demon.nl

I was sent this message posted in another forum. I liked the explanation, so thought it might be of interest to those here. Ira > From: Sharon McAllister <73372.1745@COMPUSERVE.COM> > To: TNROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: GEDCOM Standard > Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 3:28 PM > > I was working with computers back in the sixties, when each computer was a > world unto itself and standards were being established to let them talk to > each other. So I can provide a very basic explanation of something that > appears rather complicated at first glance. > > 1. A standard is just a system of requirements. You can also think of it > as a set of core values. In this case, the standard is GEDCOM. > > 2. A specific application adheres to a standard by including everything > that it requires and excluding anything it forbids. In this case, the > applications are PAF, FTM, BK, etc. > > 3. Enhancements are features the developer of an individual application > has chosen to add -- things neither specifically required nor forbidden by > the standard. > > "Them's the rules!" Quite simple. But in the real world some rules are a > bit vague, customers clamor for more features, developers incorporate new > ideas -- and users are rarely aware of the distinction between what is > standard and what's an enhancement. > > Some contend that enhancements are inherently bad. I disagree. You've > probably heard about the Y2K problem -- all the software that's going to go > BLOOEY at the turn of the century. Back in the 60s, I helped develop our > company's standard solution to the problem. It was easy to implement, > computationally efficient, and set up to require changing only one line of > code when the year 2000 rolled around. The technique was widely used, but > it didn't become the industry standard. Those who followed it are now > reaping the benefits. Those who didn't are now making the news. > > The same situation applies to the world of genealogy software. Although we > have the GEDCOM standard we also have the enhancements that are part of > individual applications. Whether you think it's good or bad, this state is > unlikely to change. So what's the solution? We seem to have two different > ones. > > GEDCOM-oriented people use more than one program. They set up their files > by GEDCOM standards, giving preference to compatibility over > embellishments. Thus, they can easily transfer their data between programs > -- and sometimes they wonder why others are having problems. > > Applications-oriented people master one package [like PAF, FTM, or BK.] > They set up their files to make the best use of the features of that > particular application and pretty much ignore the others. Few learn about > GEDCOM itself, and most are taken by surprise at the first incompatibility > they encounter. > > Either approach works quite well for the individual. Problems crop up when > the user of one application creates a GEDCOM file for the user of another. > Some of the enhancements may be lost. Then the software gets blamed > because it did exactly what it was designed to do rather than what the user > THOUGHT it should do. > > Because I can't see your faces, I don't know how well this explanation has > been understood. So I'm going to resort to an analogy I found helpful back > when I was teaching about the use of standards.... > > Imagine a gift-wrapped present. The gift itself is the important part. > The box, pretty paper, and nice bow make for a pleasing presentation -- but > they'll probably be discarded. So just think of the contents as the > "standards" as the packaging as the "enhancements". Both have valid > roles. > > Sharon McAllister > 73372.1745@compuserve.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

I am forwarding this letter requesting articles about CFT-Win. Are there any users out there that might be interested in writing an article as described below. Other than what is in this message I don't know any more about this. Any takers? If so e-mail Michael T. Ritchey at ritcheym@itsnet.com and cc me (ira.lund@cf-software.com). Thanks, Ira At 02:11 PM 9/18/98 -0600, you wrote: >Ira, > >Thanks for the reply. Sorry I'm late getting back to you; corresponding >with so many developers and columnists at one time, I always have a backlog. ><g> > >Hey, I have a couple columns in the Review that I think might get CFT some >good publicity, and I'm wondering if you could suggest any writers for them. > >First, the Review has a section called Practicum which contains several >short articles, each on a different program. Each article treats an >isolated feature or tool in a program, describing how to use it well and why >it is valuable to genealogy research. I'd like such articles to cover each >of the major programs in each issue, but the article on a given program >doesn't have to be written by the same person in each issue. Do you know >any advanced users who write well and might like to describe for the >genealogical community a valuable tool found in your program? > >I'll give you some examples of what I want for this article. TMG has a tool >that will attach a source to every event for every individual imported from >a GEDCOM file. PAF has some nice focus abilities, and good keyboard >navigation. FTM allows one to search a focus list of individuals against >its Family Finder index in order to point to CDs or to original records. >I've found that each program, no matter how obscure, has a valuable tool >which could benefit its users if they only understood its value or its >practical application a little better. > >Another section, titled Gleanings, contains articles each of which gleans >from a single program an innovative feature or tool that needs to be made an >industry standard. Many lesser-known programs can live and die without >their one great innovation ever being noticed, and this column is meant to >change that. Although this column is designed especially to notice gems >within lesser-known programs that don't normally get reviews, heavy-hitters >can appear here, too. Here are some examples of innovations that deserve >mention here: Family Origins has an outstanding, WYSIWYG Custom Reports >Writer. TMG has the deepest source citation on the Windows market. >Legacy's Merge tool is unmatched, a real blessing when one is merging two >individuals who each have valuable, if conflicting, data. > >These are the kinds of articles we'd like to include on your program, and >we're looking for advanced users who can address them and so describe the >program's particular strengths. > >-Michael ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com

Ira J. Lund wrote: > > >>>I deleted the event but under birth it still wants to put her husband > >>>BLACK in the story portion. Ok, I deleted and re-added, or I should > >>>say INSERTED the event again. I clicked on ADD, clicked on birth but > >>>the even wouldn't be added unless I used INSERT. > >> > >>Are you using Ver 2.32? This almost sounds like abug and I wonder if it > >>wasn't fixed. If this is 2.32 let me know. I'll look into this. > > > >I am using 2.32. After I was able to delete the bad fields, used > >insert to re-enter them, ran rebuild, and so far I am not seeing a > >repeat of the problem. > > Good. glad that is working for you now. > > Ira > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Ira J. Lund > Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA > Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com > http://www.cf-software.com unsubscribe

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