Ira and All, I think the problems with the story tab lies with the Story Options. I had been testing with all the options checked. When I unchecked all the options I started to see results. For Example 1. If the Story Options/Include Individual Notes is Checked then only those people with an Individual Note with produce results. 2. If Story Options/Include Event Notes is checked then very inconsistent results are produced. I think only events added under Beta 2 are printed with no other details at all. Ive run out of time for now but thought this information might be of interest to others. Regards Dave Bennett Birmingham England Sunday, 01 November 1998 Home Page:- http:/ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dave_bennett E-mail:- dave_bennett@compuserve.com
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G'day Ira, > The problem seems to be in the "Include Individual Note" and "Include >Event Notes". If I leave these unchecked the story works fine. If I >check just one, it does not matter which one, or both, no story at all. >The three options for "In Parent/Child Events" seem to work OK That seems to happen also with me BUT IF I HAVE an INDIVIDUAL note and "Include Individual Note" is checked it is OK. If I do NOT have an Individual Note and "Include Individual Note" is checked - NO GOOD. Ed Blakeley said:- > AS SOON AS you click Include Event >Notes, you lose everything except individual notes. Everything else seems >to work OK except Include Event Notes. I find I still have SOME Event Notes that print with the Individual note last of all (as I believe it should). I have just finished an experiment. I had found that in the foregoing I realised that those Event Notes that did print started from the latest one (say 1998) and printed back to the point where an event DID NOT have a note but they did print in correct date sequence thus:- Individual Note 1930 Event with note 1940 Event with note 1950 Event WITHOUT note 1960 Event with note 1970 Event with note These printed from 1960 onwards with the Individual Note last. I then went on and inserted a TEST NOTE in all Events EXCEPT the Christening (which was totally blank but had not been removed from the Individual Window) and ALL worked. EUREKA!! I then rechecked my own "story" where I have some Events without notes and all was blank again. I then removed the INDIVIDUAL NOTE from my main test BUT left the "Include Individual Note" checked and VOILA! - ALL was BLANK again. Unchecked "Include Individual Note" and BACK the full story. My guess is that the problem is caused by having either of the "Include...Notes" boxes checked when ever there are:- (a) Events WITHOUT Notes. (b) Individual WITHOUT Notes Just to finish things off, I then DELETED one of my User Events that was in my main test Individual BUT left data ( as it would be after an Import). I still got my story OK but there was a "nonsense" in the Event - It took the "value" of either the event before or after (they were both the same. The note printed correctly thus:- Nan and "Tusky" [0007] moved about 1960. (Actually they took up Lawn Bowls) It would appear that she "blossomed" to a greater degree than he. Regarding the FONT problem, all options EXCEPT "Main Text" work as they should. Anything set for "Main Text" still effects ALL Text EXCEPT for the NAMES in a story which show according to the specific setting in Names/Surnames. BTW - The Names example seems to contain the surname "Smith" which is not effected by that setting. Phew! It sure is great how this Forum collectively gets together to sort out a problem :-) HURU, Mike
Ira - Got it now! Thanks for the clues. "Word Code not in file " does involve the dates. I had a corrupted date in an event where I got that message. HOWEVER - there still is a problem in Story Options. When I go to Story Options and select Individual Notes and nothing else - Include Parent/Child Events - None; Include Free Format Dates - Do not show, then you get everything except event notes. AS SOON AS you click Include Event Notes, you lose everything except individual notes. Everything else seems to work OK except Include Event Notes. Ed Blakeley At 08:44 AM 10/31/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Can you do a GED export on one person who will not show up and post it or >e-mail me a short excerpt. I am wondering if the dates are the cause of the >problem. All the language codes as low as 3979 relate to the UCC functions. > >Ira > >At 11:40 AM 10/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Ira - I deleted the data base I had these problems with and imported it >>again. I think there was some corruption in the other one. None of the >>notes came through. The new import brought all of the notes. I can now get >>the story, but only the notes appear in the story. I still get the same >>error messages but only when I am the Key Ind. I am number one and the >>family group heets always starts with me. After the second error message, >>if I click Ignore - Everything seems to work OK except for the Story Tab. >>When I make my wife the Key Ind. the Story starts out with "Betty and Ed >>had the following children:" and lists the children and then goes on only >>with the notes - no events. Every body else that I made the Key Ind and >>clicked Story tab - I got notes only in the story with one exception - It >>listed the persons name and then "Parents of - and lists the parents and >>then goes on with notes only - no events. >> >>I can use the notes fine - change fonts, sizes and color etc. >> >>Ed Blakeley >> >>At 06:21 PM 10/29/1998 -0600, you wrote: >>>the code 1-3979 will help me. But I have got to do some digging. >>> >>>Can you use the notes fine even though the story doesn't work? Can you do >>>bold, underline, font changes, etc int he notes? >>> >>>At 09:34 AM 10/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>>When I click on the Story tab when the Group Sheet is on the screen I get >>>>the following messages:Word Code not in file: 1-3979. When I click OK I >>>>get: Language file missing OR second instance of program not allowed. >>>>Program should be terminated. >>>> >>>>The ocx files show they have been seccesfully installed. The Lund fonts are >>>>installed. > >---------------------------------------------------------- > Ira J. Lund > Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA > Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals > E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com > http://www.cf-software.com > > >
Hi Ira; The problem seems to be in the "Include Individual Note" and "Include Event Notes". If I leave these unchecked the story works fine. If I check just one, it does not matter which one, or both, no story at all. The three options for "In Parent/Child Events" seem to work OK -- Jerry Port Coquitlam B.C. Canada http://members.home.net/dimsdale1 DIMSDALE, GEDDES, ECKHOLDT, DOWNER, SINCLIAR, ETHERINGTON, MACK, LAMB
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Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:22:26 -0600, Ira J. Lund : >On the Options Menu there is a STORY Option and it is likely that you have >not discovered this feature yet. You need to make sure you Check the >appropriate options there. perhaps this is why no notes? At my computer some of the options do not work properly. If I check either "Include Individual Note" or "Include Event Notes" - or both, then no story is printed at all. But if I uncheck the notes options, the story is printed. If I choose "All" in "Include Parent/Child Events", the names of the children are not printed. Sigurd Eliassen Norway
G'day Ira, >On the Options Menu there is a STORY Option and it is likely that you have >not discovered this feature yet. You need to make sure you Check the >appropriate options there. perhaps this is why no notes? Further to my post of 31/10/98 I have tried several changes to the STORY OPTIONS and for the last few goes had ALL checked. Also you will have seen what I said about the STORY OPTIONS FONT change to BOLD - ALL text under the Icons etc. changed to BOLD. I then changed it back (unclicked it) to normal and all the affected text also changed back but still no "proper" story. Your bid :-( HURU, Mike
have ver 2.32x (Win95): did I miss the 2.4x version or is 2.50 the next upgrade? Also must have missed what 2.50 has in ways of improvements (2.50 improvements not described on website that I can find.) Have both upgrade zip files but will wait for answer before proceeding. thanks. Karen P. karen.paz@internetmci.com
Ira J. Lund wrote: > My guess is that the proper options are not checked in the Story >Options. All boxes were checked and in the "Include Parent/Child Events" All is selected and the results are as I reported earlier. -- Jerry Port Coquitlam B.C. Canada http://members.home.net/dimsdale1 DIMSDALE, GEDDES, ECKHOLDT, DOWNER, SINCLIAR, ETHERINGTON, MACK, LAMB
At 03:38 PM 10/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >I was checking out your family tree software and have been unable to >figure now to get the information about a person such as one's birth >date and location of birth to print in the descendant tree chart boxes. >Could you help me out with this please? Sorry, all the descendant reports in CFT-Win do not print complete info or have an option to include it. The Desc Box Chart is the most complete - but even that only shows year of birth and death and not place. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ SOURCE VS DOCUMENTS: At 03:37 PM 10/30/98 +0300, you wrote: >I like very much the two-level Source Editor. But do not understand, why the >Document Editor remains one level. I think that two-level Document Editor >would be at least as useful. (Just for example: Parochial Birth Register - >almost always you get information about several persons from one volume >which covers tens of years. Than it is necessary put every every foliant as >separate document - but they are in fact in one volume, which is archived as >one item. The two-level document editor would solve that.) > >May be I do not understand difference between sources and documents? Maybe >the example above is Source? If so, can anybody explain to me what are >documents and what are sources? Thank you. Using your example above I would not put a Parish Register as a Document. I would list them all as sources. Examples: This entry goes into the "Reference": "Parish Register", Sogn Parish Church, Hole, Rogaland, Norway, 1623-1850. Then under the detail records go things like: p. 24. p. 56. Then in the note are you mmight make an entry such as: This record indicates mother's name as Gunhild Sorensen, but does not list father's name. When I eventually get around to merging all this data together for reports you would get complete sources that looked like: "Parish Register", Sogn Parish Church, Hole, Rogaland, Norway, 1623-1850. p. 24. "Parish Register", Sogn Parish Church, Hole, Rogaland, Norway, 1623-1850. p. 56. This record indicates mother's name as Gunhild Sorensen, but does not list father's name. There is a LOT of room in Reference, details and in note areas - so use them for this purpose. A document is only used for long transcriptions such as transcribing an entire WILL. Documents are also used for stand alone notes such as general database information or for creating chapter commentary for indexed books, etc. I will try to put more information int he printed manual and help on proper use of sources with more examples than in Ver 2 manual on writing clear source notes. This is an area that does not a lot of clear defining. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ PLACES VS ADDRESSES >Ira, maybe you should give us some instruction how to put data into source >editor in ver.2 to be than converted into ver.3 two-level editor? (Similar >as I asked about Places - Addresses). Can't remember the question about places-address, but assume you are asking for the differences between a place and an address. In Ver 3 you use the ADDRESS event to record an address - and when you record the address press the Enter key after each line. Enter a proper address that would be used for mailing a letter - such as: 385 Idaho Springs Road Clarksville, TN 37043 USA But a place would normally be a location that is not a complete mailing address and any event (except an address) will use a place. Examples: Clarksville, Montgomery, Tennessee City Cemetary, Clarksville, Tennessee Atlanta Temple, Atlanta, Georgia Hope you can see the difference. An "address" will get reformatted for things like a story report (example: 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville, TN 37043, USA) but there will also be a mailing label report which will prin them as needed for mailing lables. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ CONVERTING VER 2 SOURCES to VER 3 SOURCES A few months back I did write an explanation about how to convert easily from Ver 2 to Ver 3. It is work, but you will need to convert from the single level type source of Ver 3 to the double level of type 3. Test this, but as per an earlier warning level don't start doing it expecting to keep this data for the next Ver3 beta - as the data structure will definately change. let me hunt for it..... Can't find it. Does anyone have the old message from a few months back. i think I have a print out in my file... Yup, I found it - no date - but the title says: Re: cftw3-beta 1 - sources I'll type it in later if no one can find the message. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
Can you do a GED export on one person who will not show up and post it or e-mail me a short excerpt. I am wondering if the dates are the cause of the problem. All the language codes as low as 3979 relate to the UCC functions. Ira At 11:40 AM 10/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >Ira - I deleted the data base I had these problems with and imported it >again. I think there was some corruption in the other one. None of the >notes came through. The new import brought all of the notes. I can now get >the story, but only the notes appear in the story. I still get the same >error messages but only when I am the Key Ind. I am number one and the >family group heets always starts with me. After the second error message, >if I click Ignore - Everything seems to work OK except for the Story Tab. >When I make my wife the Key Ind. the Story starts out with "Betty and Ed >had the following children:" and lists the children and then goes on only >with the notes - no events. Every body else that I made the Key Ind and >clicked Story tab - I got notes only in the story with one exception - It >listed the persons name and then "Parents of - and lists the parents and >then goes on with notes only - no events. > >I can use the notes fine - change fonts, sizes and color etc. > >Ed Blakeley > >At 06:21 PM 10/29/1998 -0600, you wrote: >>the code 1-3979 will help me. But I have got to do some digging. >> >>Can you use the notes fine even though the story doesn't work? Can you do >>bold, underline, font changes, etc int he notes? >> >>At 09:34 AM 10/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>When I click on the Story tab when the Group Sheet is on the screen I get >>>the following messages:Word Code not in file: 1-3979. When I click OK I >>>get: Language file missing OR second instance of program not allowed. >>>Program should be terminated. >>> >>>The ocx files show they have been seccesfully installed. The Lund fonts are >>>installed. ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
At 08:40 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >In Notes, there does not appear to be any Select All function for edit. In >v.2, one can right click in the Notes window to perform a Select All, but >not in v.3. Instead, one has to highlight the entire area, which in some >cases can be quite long. Is there an alternative, such as Alt+something? If there is a right click in Ver 2 it is not something I have control over. It must be a function of windows or something. The behavior in Ver 3 of the note area is very consistent with behavior within any word processor. Highlighting ALL text is as simple as this: Press Ctrl-Home to go to top. Hold shift key down. Press ctrl-End to go to bottom. It's all highlighted now. This is quite standard for all word processors, text areas in any program that I have ever tried in Windows. Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
At 09:44 AM 10/30/98 +0100, you wrote: >After having viewed the story for some individuals that do have general >notes, >I have found that some employment events and a few of the graduation >events gets listed. Parents, child's, birth, marriage etc. is never >listed. My guess is that the proper options are not checked in the Story Options on the Options Tab. Play with that a bit. With all these "problems" in the story window I am suspecting that maybe things are working as I intended - just not as others intended. Perhaps some of you could give me ideas as to what "default" story options I should set so that there will be fewer people wondering why certain things don't show up. Thanks, Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
>The ONLY information the Story retrieves is the info tagged to the note >icon in the Family Group window and this info is what was entered as a >note for the individual. Even though there are numerous notes entered >for this person in the different events windows, story did not retrieve >these notes. No icon, I get a blank window with a short line about 1/2 >inch long in the top left corner and a line across the bottom. On the Options Menu there is a STORY Option and it is likely that you have not discovered this feature yet. You need to make sure you Check the appropriate options there. perhaps this is why no notes? Ira ---------------------------------------------------------- Ira J. Lund Cumberland Family Software, Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Genealogy Software for Beginners and Professionals E-mail: ira.lund@cf-software.com http://www.cf-software.com
Ira, I am forwarding this to the List for you and others to handle. I'm up to my neck right now. I'm not sure that Pat is a subscriber, so be sure to CC: her a copy of your reply. Thanks, SgtGeorge **********(Start of Forwarded Message)********** I am just getting started in this business of creating a family tree. I have been comparing different software packages and the one from Cumberland seems to be to my liking. As I am just getting started there are some things I don't quite understand or haven't grasped yet. Like, how does one get the information about a birth date and birth location to print in the box in the descendant tree chart print out? Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. a new user, Pat V.
G'day, >After further testing I can confirm that I am getting exactly the same results as Jerry >Dimsdale. >Story Tab only reports the Individuals Notes and nothing else. I have rechecked my DB which is the one I imported from v2.32 and find the following:- 1. For a person who had an Individual note in v2.32 a large proportion (but not all) event notes would appear in the story tab but not necessarily in the correct date sequence. 2. I added (in 3Beta2) an individual note to a person who had event notes (but no individual note) at the time of import and ONE (the last) event note was then displayed together with the "Test" individual note. 3. I then went back and added a TEST individual note to the person (used in 2 above) in v2.32 and re-imported the DB with a new 3Beta2 name. The story result was the same. Possibly of relevance is that I have a LOT of "USER Events" (which of course I have to re create in 3Beta2) perhaps these have something to do with the problem. Having said that, one of the events that does NOT show in (1 above) is "First Date" which is a CFT-Win Standard and another is "Marriage" which is a GEDCOM. While on the subject I note the following in the Help File:- " There are also a number of CFT-Win standard events. When you add your own, you should designate them as User events." I have probably been guilty of either slightly modifying a CFT-Win event verb etc. or even adding a User event and calling it a CFT-Win one (in the early days I knew no better :-() although I cannot see this as contributing to the problem. HURU, Mike
Ira After further testing I can confirm that I am getting exactly the same results as Jerry Dimsdale. Story Tab only reports the Individuals Notes and nothing else. Regards Dave Bennett Birmingham England Friday, 30 October 1998 Home Page:- http:/ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dave_bennett E-mail:- dave_bennett@compuserve.com
Nope, George, Ctrl+A brings up the Accented Characters dialog box! I can find no way to Select All other than highlighting the text with left mouse click. As I say, right click works fine in v.2 to bring up Select All but not in v.3. Jon >Try Ctrl+A. That works in other Windows applications and don't see why >it won't work in CFT. ______________________________ | | | EMQUAD International, Ltd. | | P.O. Box 60 | | Great Neck, NY 11022 | | - | | emquad@worldnet.att.net | | http://home.att.net/~emquad | | - | | Consulting Division | | Publishing Division | |______________________________|