On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 I read >CFTW just gets better and better and better, and V3.06 is no exception. >Thank you very much for all the effort you put into producing a truly >excellent genealogical program. I feel sure that all readers of this list can agree to that. But why are we Users of CFTW then so few and why is CFTW so little known by the genealogy public in general. I often see listings, surveys, mailings and articles about genealogy programs where CFTW is not even mentioned. Programs, which in my opinion are much inferior, get a lot more publicity, and they have more Users. Let us all make some efforts to promote our good program. - show it to all our friends, - demonstrate it at meetings in our associations, - write articles about it in our genealogical magazines, - publish it on some of the free CD-roms added to PC magazines. Let us all do our best and let us raise many new Users each of us. When we succeed in that, we may allow ourselves to say that the program we like is also worthy to be called the best. Erik

> My upgrade order is forthcoming, and I will start with V3.07. I just looked > at the price for this, I think your price it too low! If your product is the > best, you should also be the price leader (this I learned when I worked for > GE in your country in the sixties, and I am sure its still true). Double it > up! I must comment here. As an American, I will define what price leader means in my opinion. Being a price leader means being able to supply the best product at the lowest or most affordable price. Being an expensive product never means being the best. Many have learned that the hard way, finding out latter they could have bought better for a fraction of the cost that they paid. What originally attracted me to CFT is the fact that there was a trial period with no cost. Then secondly, the price was affordable. The fact that I have teenagers living at home who have quite the appetite makes me look closely at prices...lol. I would be willing to pay a bit more but may have turned away if doubled. I'm glad Ira said he will remain at the same price. I hope this is not straying to far from what we are supposed to be discussing here. Dawn Conner-Jeppesen

Ira, I have enjoyed working with your CFT programs V1 and V2 for years and the only reason I havn't yet upgraded to V3 is lack of time (I felt I couldn't take the risk of having to spend hours just repairing damages or work around bugs resulting from using a complete rewrite as V3). Based on all the input to this list - from all the enthusiasic users worldwide and from yourself - I am now convinced that I should also upgrade and get all the benefits of the worlds best. In your continuing upgrading process I agree with your giving priority to fixing bugs over adding new facilities. My upgrade order is forthcoming, and I will start with V3.07. I just looked at the price for this, I think your price it too low! If your product is the best, you should also be the price leader (this I learned when I worked for GE in your country in the sixties, and I am sure its still true). Double it up! Jens E. Brammer Øverød, Denmark

>My upgrade order is forthcoming, and I will start with V3.07. I just looked >at the price for this, I think your price it too low! If your product is the >best, you should also be the price leader (this I learned when I worked for >GE in your country in the sixties, and I am sure its still true). Double it >up! You might be correct. However, "best" is subjective. I do get some trial-users occaissionally who tell me it is not a very good program. I also hate to cut off people who want to use the program but can't afford the price. But one thing I am convinced of is that lower the price would not increase my sales. Since PAF is free, those who won't pay $45 wouldn't even pay $10, either. I think I'll just leave things as they are (pricewise). Thanks, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 01:00 AM 3/8/01 +0000, you wrote: >I am happily running ver 3.05, it meets and exceeds all my needs. >Can I just wait till 3.07 is available and upgrade then ? Yes, there are no hitches when skipping an update. Other than some things that may have been fixed between 3.05 and 3.06. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>> How to get rid of the flaky stuff (1 in Marr column - bad marriages that >> don't show up properly)? Before connecting as suggested above - please run >> the Rebuild. >I hope my finding was useful. >Iikko B Voipio Yes, it really was. Without your little database it would have likely taken me longer to figure this out. Thanks, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>1. When Database verification is done with version 3.05 If individuals do >not have a birthdate because unknown, the programme considers marriage of >these individuals as after 90 years, and their birth or christening as >before parents marriage. Has anyone found a fix for this behaviour? I will >greatly appreciate help. This should be fixed in 3.06. >2. Is there a way to print the very interesting Ancesters tab in list type >format ? Ancestral List Report. Except it doesn't have the vertical lines. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

I am happily running ver 3.05, it meets and exceeds all my needs. Can I just wait till 3.07 is available and upgrade then ? Mike At 00:40 08/03/01 +0200, you wrote: >> There is a bug that got introduced in 3.06 (wasn't in earlier versions) >> The temporary workaround until Ver 3.07: >> Sorry for this nasty little bug. Ira >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Mr. Ira J. Lund

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: [CFTW] V 3.06 Connect Bug > There is a bug that got introduced in 3.06 (wasn't in earlier versions) > which occurs when you try to "connect" two single people together. It shows > both with a marriage (a 1 inthe Marr column) but won't show them as husband > and wife. > > The temporary workaround until Ver 3.07: If you make one of these > individuals the "Key Indivdiual" then add a child to them (without a > spouse). Make it a temporary dummy child that you will remove later. Now > "connect" the other person as a spouse and then delete the dummy child. > This will do it for now. Nasty little bug that I hate to see. > > How to get rid of the flaky stuff (1 in Marr column - bad marriages that > don't show up properly)? Before connecting as suggested above - please run > the Rebuild. I hope my finding was useful. Iikko B Voipio > > Sorry for this nasty little bug. Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Yes I know CFT since early DOS, ver 2 and CFTW3. Great job!! I will update to ver3 soon. Keep up your good work, Ira. regards th. Harvey Nimmo schrieb: > > Dear Ira, > > The more users you get, the more demands they will have. In other words, > many demands is a sign of a well-accepted program. What did you expect when > you wrote a good programm? > > Kind regards > > Harvey Nimmo > > >And in reality, the users do help with their encouragement, although every > >now and then I do feel a little burdened with some of the demands. > > > >Thanks, Ira

Dear Ira, The more users you get, the more demands they will have. In other words, many demands is a sign of a well-accepted program. What did you expect when you wrote a good programm? Kind regards Harvey Nimmo >And in reality, the users do help with their encouragement, although every >now and then I do feel a little burdened with some of the demands. > >Thanks, Ira > >------------------------------------------------ >Mr. Ira J. Lund >E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > >Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) >Subject: unsubscribe >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Jean Alain Lalouette Jean Alain Lalouette 29, Riverwalk, Vacoas Mauritius Telephone & Fax : (230) 696 4884 E-Mail : [email protected] 1. When Database verification is done with version 3.05 If individuals do not have a birthdate because unknown, the programme considers marriage of these individuals as after 90 years, and their birth or christening as before parents marriage. Has anyone found a fix for this behaviour? I will greatly appreciate help. 2. Is there a way to print the very interesting Ancesters tab in list type format ? Thanks JA

George, I don't know if this is FTM or not, but you can see that the event coding is different Mike 0 HEAD=20 1 SOUR Reunion 2 VERS V7.0 2 CORP Leister Productions 1 DEST Reunion 1 DATE 26 FEB 2001 1 SUBM @[email protected] 1 FILE D's Family File=20 1 GEDC=20 2 VERS 5.5 1 CHAR ANSEL 0 @[email protected] INDI 1 NAME Jacob /XXXX/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT=20 2 DATE DEC 1874 2 PLAC MN 1 DOD=20 2 DATE 22 AUG 1953 1 FAMS @[email protected] 1 CHAN=20 2 DATE 25 FEB 2001 0 @[email protected] INDI At 04:40 07/03/01 -0500, you wrote: >What do you want to bet the GEDCOM came from FTM? > >SgtGeorge

G'day Ira, As John Smith says:- > CFTW just gets better and better and better Here Here! Please stay with us and occasionally take a little time off to smell the flowers. Thanks for all your hard work. HURU, Mike CALDER http://members.optushome.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2629

There is a bug that got introduced in 3.06 (wasn't in earlier versions) which occurs when you try to "connect" two single people together. It shows both with a marriage (a 1 inthe Marr column) but won't show them as husband and wife. The temporary workaround until Ver 3.07: If you make one of these individuals the "Key Indivdiual" then add a child to them (without a spouse). Make it a temporary dummy child that you will remove later. Now "connect" the other person as a spouse and then delete the dummy child. This will do it for now. Nasty little bug that I hate to see. How to get rid of the flaky stuff (1 in Marr column - bad marriages that don't show up properly)? Before connecting as suggested above - please run the Rebuild. Sorry for this nasty little bug. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 04:40 AM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >What do you want to bet the GEDCOM came from FTM? Sounds >like their nonsensical "new format". That company is bound and >determined to overturn the internationally recognized .GED format >and substitute their own, even if they have to force all other >genealogy programs to be rewritten to accept their "superior" >format. In addition the LDS Church announced that they would in the future likely go to XML type GEDCOM files. My guess is that this is years away, though. I don't look forward to any of these changes as I still am not certain I feel I have successfully cleaned up CFT Ver 3. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>I think the program runs just fine, so there is no urgency to make changes, >or answer all the e-mails. This program is obviously the product of >someone who loves doing excellant work. >Please pace yerself so the work continues to be enjoyable. I hope no one takes my "stress-message" personally. I couldn't even remember who all wrote the notes about the printer option. I need to remain calm and perhaps explain better than I had in this case the reasons why I do things. Thanks, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>There are some features in CFTW which don't suit me but I work around them >as I have to do with any other application that I use. > >CFTW is stable, reliable, fast and if I need help you are very prompt in >replying to emails. > >We have come a long way from the DOS version of CFT Sometimes I reflect on that old DOS version I first wrote and realize how very few features it had - yet compared to the old typewriter it was light years ahead and I thought it was simply fantastic! And now we have all come to expect so much more from computers and programs that are appetites are insatiable. Thanks for your support. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>CFTW just gets better and better and better, and V3.06 is no exception. Thank you very much for all the effort you put into producing a truly excellent genealogical program. Sure, the "commercial" packages may have lots of fancy bells and whistles, but when it comes to getting the job done they all fall down - none of them come anywhere close to CFTW. And having direct e-mail contact with you is a tremendous asset, one which I greatly appreciate, and I'm sure all the users would agree. > >Don't be down hearted, Ira! The fact that the wish list is large is simply an indication that the majority of your users are very enthusiastic and excited about the product, and are eager to submit new ideas. Most of the ideas being submitted now are for 'nice to have' features, all building on a solid foundation. And that is a very healthy state of affairs. In my opinion, CFTW in its present state is a very mature and stable product. Thank you for your kindness. I try for the most part not to get discourage. But every now and then I wonder why I am still doing this. Then I go take a look at other programs and can't bring myself to move my data over. Nothing works for me like CFT-Win. I guess as I long as I still want CFT-Win for my genealogy, I'll have to keep it up. And in reality, the users do help with their encouragement, although every now and then I do feel a little burdened with some of the demands. Thanks, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Hi Ira I haven't entered this debate because I was not concerned about it and I guess that there are a lot of other users like me. Possibly we are the silent majority? There are some features in CFTW which don't suit me but I work around them as I have to do with any other application that I use. CFTW is stable, reliable, fast and if I need help you are very prompt in replying to emails. We have come a long way from the DOS version of CFT Ian Westergaard In Sunny & Cool Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:04 AM Subject: RE: [CFTW] Printer Option > >I think every CFT-user is better of with your program than all those other > >commercial programs. I know I've tried many. I admire your work so far. > >Perhaps you can make it easier for yourself by buffering mails and answering > >them once a week, or putting your list of ideas and suggestions on your > >website together with the priority you gave them or even better let the user > >decide the priority (by a site counter). Sorry if it's a new idea. Keep up > >the good work Ira. > > Well, I regreted sending the e-mail that I did. In response to this > suggestion, I really don't won't post my list of suggestions - some of them > will never get implemented and I don't want to give anyone the idea that > they will. What becomes high priority often change for me also, so items on > the list kind of get shuffled around from time to time (priority wise). The > highest priority are bugs - and it seems that the program has gotten more > and more complex that often fixing something somewhere will affect things > elsewhere. Over the years it seems that the complexity has gotten greater. > > Anyway, after thinking about it for a day, my response to the printer > problem perhaps should have been something like this: > > I don't understand why there is such a hugh outcry about the printer thing. > One would get the impression that I had removed a major part of the > program. And yet, everyone can still do what they have always done. Simply > exit CFT-Win, go to Start - Settings - Printers and change your default > printer. Then go back into CFT-Win and you can carry on. The removal of the > Printer options basically only allowed one to change printers on the fly - > a convenience I agree that would be nice to have - but no functionality has > really been removed. > > Ira > > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >