At 10:16 AM 3/22/01 +1200, you wrote: >I agree with everyone that it is currently correct in vers 3.06 and should >not be changed, however another similar confusion occurs with >Departure/Arrival. I think departure is wrong eg. William departed April 10, >1826 at London Middlesex. Therefore I think it should read %N departed %D >p{from} %P, likewise Arrival might read better with %N arrived %D p{in} %P. Yes, the above does look better and don't think will mess anything up. >To confuse this even further it would be equally correct to say the >following %N departed %D p{for} %P and likewise %N arrived %D p{from} %P. I don't like this one. >The question I have is that if we each change it to read in what we believe >is correct English, how will GEDCOM handle it? My guess is that other programs are likely more careful than I have been and will use the proper defination of emigrating "from" and immigrating "to". Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

As long as we all understand what is meant in our databases, whether it is Im or Em it doesn't matter. We only have to be pedantic about it if we can't make sense of the meaning without. Tim & Pauline Churchill Lancaster http://www.tchurchill.co.uk

Emigrate - to leave one country or region to settle in another; i.e. migrate. Immigrate - to pass or come into a new habitat or place of residence The American College Dictionary At 15:26 21/03/01 +0100, you wrote: >I believe the discussion is complicated of un-precise examples. Let me >clarify using Reidars example below: >Seen from Norway: "John emigrated from Norway and he emigrated to USA". >Reider would want his story to read "John emigrated to USA" >Seen from USA: "John immigrated from Norway and he immigrated into USA". If >John was Ira's grandfather, Ira would want to write "John immigrated from >Norway" > >The confusion may have arisen because the Americans, Australians etc. on >this list mostly handles immigrants (people entering their country), wheras >we in Europe and places like that mostly have family members who emigrated >from (left) our countries. > >Did this help? > >Jens E. Brammer >Øverød, Danmark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> >> >> Ira, >> >> Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and >> that this is the way most people would understand. >> However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: >> >> "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >> Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >> Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and >> immigration) >> when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >> another country. >> >> To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave >> or enter a >> country)I think you should stick with the current version. >> >> Regards >> >> Reidar >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > Ira, >> > >> > I think that your current version is ok. >> > >> > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of >> > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read >> > 'emigrated to' >> > >> > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country >> > of permanent >> > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read >> > 'immigrated from'. >> > >> > kind regards, >> > >> > Alfred >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 >> > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me >> > that the way I >> > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >> > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. >> > Now I am being >> > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web >> > dictionary >> > > and found: >> > > >> > > emigrate means to exit a country >> > > immigrate means to enter a country >> > > >> > > Thus my events should really say: >> > > >> > > %N emigrated from %P >> > > %N immigrated to %P >> > > >> > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how >> > many people I have >> > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it >> > straight (again). >> > > >> > > Ira >> > > ------------------------------------------------ >> > > Mr. Ira J. Lund >> > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: >> > http://www.cf-software.com >> > > >> > > Cumberland Family Software, >> > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >> > > You can contact the List Manager at: >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access >> > to the #1 >> > > Source for Family History Online. 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Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:32:16 +0100, Erik Helmer Nielsen : >We then only need to tell about the place he emigrated to, and >that is USA. >This is exactly what CFTW does to day, and that is correct. I agree to what Jens and Erik has written in this thread. But I will add a couple of comments. Emigration. When I am working with emigrants from Norway, my sources are the Emigration Archives in Norway. It is obvious to everybody that every person in these archives emigrated from Norway. But they emigrated to different countries, so that is the most important information to enter in the place field. In the source field we put for example Emigration Archive for Stavanger, Norway. Immigration. When I am working with immigrant archives for a spesific country, I know that every person immigrated to that country - let us say USA. But they came from different countries - that is the most important information to put in the place field. With the immigration archive for that country in the source field. So don't change anything. Sigurd Eliassen

Would it be easier to create a new event MOVE with from and to components, and leave the emi-imigration as it is. mike At 08:11 21/03/01 -0600, you wrote: >>"A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >>Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >>Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and immigration) >>when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >>another country. >> >>To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave or enter a >>country)I think you should stick with the current version. > >Yes, but the current version says: > >%N emigrated %D p{to} %P. >%N immigrated %D p{from} %P. > >which is opposite from what you show above - so I should correct them to say: > >%N emigrated %D p{from} %P. >%N immigrated %D p{to} %P. > >And if I change the two simply words "from" & "to" it will simply mess up >the entire meaning of anyone's database who already has the place names >opposite to this. I would like to change it, but am scared of how many >people's data will get messed up in the process. > >Ira >------------------------------------------------ >Mr. Ira J. Lund >E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > >Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >[email protected] > >============================== >The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > >

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:36:09 +0100, Reidar wrote: >"A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". Yes. The 'problem' is that we can not tell about both countries in CFTW, but we should not let that confuse us. We just have to enter the most descriptive place in CFTW, and that is obviously the place the person went to. John was born, christened, and most possibly also married in Norway. This is then clearly the place he emigrated from. We then only need to tell about the place he emigrated to, and that is USA. This is exactly what CFTW does to day, and that is correct. >I think you should stick with the current version. Yes for sure!!! Let us not be confused any more in this matter. Erik

No, Ira!! Your definition of emigrate/immigrate is correct. But your text should say %N emigrated to %P %N immigrated from %P The words emigrate/immigrate relate to the standpoint of the speaker. If the speaker is in country A which %N leaves to go to %P then, from the speaker's point of view, he has emigrated to %P. If %N arrives in the speaker's country A he is immigrating to A from %P. Clear? Greetings Harvey Nimmo >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Ira J Lund [mailto:[email protected]] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. März 2001 23:30 >An: [email protected] >Betreff: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > >I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I >had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being >told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary >and found: > >emigrate means to exit a country >immigrate means to enter a country > >Thus my events should really say: > >%N emigrated from %P >%N immigrated to %P > >and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have >messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). > >Ira >------------------------------------------------ >Mr. Ira J. Lund >E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > >Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Admittedly traffic is slow on CFTW, but do we need all this when any user can program Standard Events both in v.2 and v.3 to read as he or she wishes? Jon P.S. Having the American point of view, I use emigrated from, immigrated to!

Ira, I couldn't agree more. I once change all the Inmigration events to Emigration in order to have the country to wich the person went to, no the one he left. Regards, Miguel -----Original Message----- From: CFT-WIN-D-request [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:12 AM To: CFT-WIN-L Cc: ira.lund Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >"A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and immigration) >when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >another country. > >To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave or enter a >country)I think you should stick with the current version. Yes, but the current version says: %N emigrated %D p{to} %P. %N immigrated %D p{from} %P. which is opposite from what you show above - so I should correct them to say: %N emigrated %D p{from} %P. %N immigrated %D p{to} %P. And if I change the two simply words "from" & "to" it will simply mess up the entire meaning of anyone's database who already has the place names opposite to this. I would like to change it, but am scared of how many people's data will get messed up in the process. Ira - ---------------------------------------------- Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 ______________________________

Ira, Yes, I probably confused you with my un-precise example, however I feel that Jens has clearified it quite well. Seen from an european's point of view I think it would be best to leave it as is, even though this is not correct english (as you have pointed out). I must admit that it does not mean that much to me whether you leave it as is or change it back as long as we avoid confusion. Reidar -----Original Message----- From: Jens Erik (Mik) Brammer <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >I believe the discussion is complicated of un-precise examples. Let me >clarify using Reidars example below: >Seen from Norway: "John emigrated from Norway and he emigrated to USA". >Reider would want his story to read "John emigrated to USA" >Seen from USA: "John immigrated from Norway and he immigrated into USA". If >John was Ira's grandfather, Ira would want to write "John immigrated from >Norway" > >The confusion may have arisen because the Americans, Australians etc. on >this list mostly handles immigrants (people entering their country), wheras >we in Europe and places like that mostly have family members who emigrated >from (left) our countries. > >Did this help? > >Jens E. Brammer >Øverød, Danmark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> >> >> Ira, >> >> Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and >> that this is the way most people would understand. >> However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: >> >> "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >> Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >> Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and >> immigration) >> when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >> another country. >> >> To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave >> or enter a >> country)I think you should stick with the current version. >> >> Regards >> >> Reidar >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > Ira, >> > >> > I think that your current version is ok. >> > >> > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of >> > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read >> > 'emigrated to' >> > >> > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country >> > of permanent >> > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read >> > 'immigrated from'. >> > >> > kind regards, >> > >> > Alfred >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 >> > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate >> > >> > >> > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me >> > that the way I >> > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I >> > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. >> > Now I am being >> > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web >> > dictionary >> > > and found: >> > > >> > > emigrate means to exit a country >> > > immigrate means to enter a country >> > > >> > > Thus my events should really say: >> > > >> > > %N emigrated from %P >> > > %N immigrated to %P >> > > >> > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how >> > many people I have >> > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it >> > straight (again). >> > > >> > > Ira >> > > ------------------------------------------------ >> > > Mr. Ira J. Lund >> > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: >> > http://www.cf-software.com >> > > >> > > Cumberland Family Software, >> > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >> > > You can contact the List Manager at: >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access >> > to the #1 >> > > Source for Family History Online. 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Ira In that case, I believe the current version is correct, see my previous mail Jens > > > >To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person > leave or enter a > >country)I think you should stick with the current version. > > Yes, but the current version says: > > %N emigrated %D p{to} %P. > %N immigrated %D p{from} %P. >

I believe the discussion is complicated of un-precise examples. Let me clarify using Reidars example below: Seen from Norway: "John emigrated from Norway and he emigrated to USA". Reider would want his story to read "John emigrated to USA" Seen from USA: "John immigrated from Norway and he immigrated into USA". If John was Ira's grandfather, Ira would want to write "John immigrated from Norway" The confusion may have arisen because the Americans, Australians etc. on this list mostly handles immigrants (people entering their country), wheras we in Europe and places like that mostly have family members who emigrated from (left) our countries. Did this help? Jens E. Brammer Øverød, Danmark > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > Ira, > > Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and > that this is the way most people would understand. > However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: > > "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". > Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". > Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and > immigration) > when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter > another country. > > To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave > or enter a > country)I think you should stick with the current version. > > Regards > > Reidar > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > > > > Ira, > > > > I think that your current version is ok. > > > > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of > > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read > > 'emigrated to' > > > > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country > > of permanent > > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read > > 'immigrated from'. > > > > kind regards, > > > > Alfred > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 > > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > > > > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me > > that the way I > > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. > > Now I am being > > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web > > dictionary > > > and found: > > > > > > emigrate means to exit a country > > > immigrate means to enter a country > > > > > > Thus my events should really say: > > > > > > %N emigrated from %P > > > %N immigrated to %P > > > > > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how > > many people I have > > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it > > straight (again). > > > > > > Ira > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Mr. Ira J. Lund > > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: > > http://www.cf-software.com > > > > > > Cumberland Family Software, > > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access > > to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcec > ode=F11HB > > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

Ira, Hoping not to complicate this further I think Alfred has got a point and that this is the way most people would understand. However, I do think the correct way of using these terms should be: "A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and immigration) when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter another country. To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave or enter a country)I think you should stick with the current version. Regards Reidar > -----Original Message----- > From: Alfred Kraft van Ermel [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > Ira, > > I think that your current version is ok. > > Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of > residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read > 'emigrated to' > > Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country > of permanent > residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read > 'immigrated from'. > > kind regards, > > Alfred > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 > Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > > > > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me > that the way I > > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. > Now I am being > > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web > dictionary > > and found: > > > > emigrate means to exit a country > > immigrate means to enter a country > > > > Thus my events should really say: > > > > %N emigrated from %P > > %N immigrated to %P > > > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how > many people I have > > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it > straight (again). > > > > Ira > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Mr. Ira J. Lund > > E-mail: [email protected] Web: > http://www.cf-software.com > > > > Cumberland Family Software, > 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > > You can contact the List Manager at: > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access > to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcec ode=F11HB > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: [email protected] ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

version 2.51x has emigrated from immigrated to which I've always thought was the proper way. Hopefully, version 3 will have the same grammar so when I upgrade I won't have to switch them. Karen Pastuzyn

>"A person emigrates from a country and immigrates to a country". >Example: "John emigrated from Norway and immigrated to the USA". >Thus, to be correct you should use borth events (emigration and immigration) >when you want to inform someone that a person has left a country to enter >another country. > >To avoid implementing both events (in telling that a person leave or enter a >country)I think you should stick with the current version. Yes, but the current version says: %N emigrated %D p{to} %P. %N immigrated %D p{from} %P. which is opposite from what you show above - so I should correct them to say: %N emigrated %D p{from} %P. %N immigrated %D p{to} %P. And if I change the two simply words "from" & "to" it will simply mess up the entire meaning of anyone's database who already has the place names opposite to this. I would like to change it, but am scared of how many people's data will get messed up in the process. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Ira, I think that your current version is ok. Emigrating is used when a person is leaving his original country of residence to (permanently) live in another country. So it should read 'emigrated to' Immigrating is used when a person is entering his new country of permanent residence (after emigrating from his fatherland). So it should read 'immigrated from'. kind regards, Alfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 18:29 Subject: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I > had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I > checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being > told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary > and found: > > emigrate means to exit a country > immigrate means to enter a country > > Thus my events should really say: > > %N emigrated from %P > %N immigrated to %P > > and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have > messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

>> >I'm using CFTW 3.06 >> > >> >In HTML export, all individuals events after the first WITH record are >> >not exported in HTML files. >> >> I don't know what a WITH record is? Is this a new Standard Event you added? >> Even if so it should still work. Maybe you need to run the Rebuild. > >Sorry for this mistake, it is WITN (Witness) event. Ok. Now I understand. Yes, the witness event is unusual. I will check into this. There may well be a bug there. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Yes, now I see. I have a good idea what is happening. I think that the resolution of the fine horizontal lines is so thin that when Adobe captures it - it doesn't capture it in fine enough detail to get the line. That's why a normal WMF looks fine (as long as you enlarge enough to see the lines) and also why some lines show up in PDF and some don't. I can think of two possible solutions. First, I wonder if there is a way to fine tune that could be made in Adobe to capture in higher resolution. The other possibility would be for me to make the lines thicker. Can you find any way to increase the resolution of Adobe capturing? I looked real briefly and couldn't see any way to do it. Maybe someone else here is more expert on Adobe? Ira At 09:22 AM 3/20/01 -0300, you wrote: >I run this report twice (test and testb), and as you may see, the first >time it was ok (surprise!) but the second one (after closing and >reopening CFTW) shows no time-lines. > >Do you need any more information? > > ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

I do recall some time ago (a year or more) someone told me that the way I had emigrate and immigrate events was totally backwards. I thought I checked and thought they were so I fixed it - I thought. Now I am being told that they are backwards again. So I double checked on a Web dictionary and found: emigrate means to exit a country immigrate means to enter a country Thus my events should really say: %N emigrated from %P %N immigrated to %P and I think they are the other way around. I wonder how many people I have messed up with this. I think in Ver 3.07 I better set it straight (again). Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Le Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:08:56 -0600, Ira J Lund <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message <[email protected]> : > > > >I'm using CFTW 3.06 > > > >In HTML export, all individuals events after the first WITH record are > >not exported in HTML files. > > I don't know what a WITH record is? Is this a new Standard Event you added? > Even if so it should still work. Maybe you need to run the Rebuild. Sorry for this mistake, it is WITN (Witness) event.