Dear Ira, I think you are wrong here; she actually emigrated to the USA! Please consider the same context with the different words: import and export vs immigrate and emigrate, which in fact mean the same but are used with goods other than people. One uses import to imply that goods enter ones (from the writer's point of view) country, and thus are exported from (left another) country. Thus: 'im' implies entering and 'ex' implies leaving (a place or country - again - from subjects point of view) Alfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ira J Lund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [CFTW] emigrate/immigrate > >If you write that Frida Rage emigrated from Norway using the > >Emigration Archive for Stavanger Norway as the source - you have > >omitted the most important place information in that archive. That is > >the place she went TO - USA. > > I might have used the Emigration Archive, but she still "immigrated" to the > USA. She did not "emigrate" to the USA. I use the Emigration Archive as the > source of my Immigration event. > > Ira > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

>I have just downloaded the 3.07 Upgrade from your web pages - I see it still >announces itself as version 3.06X - was this a mistake or did you just forget >to renumber the version number in the Help/About Box? > >I still enjoy uing it whichever version it thinks it is! You are right - I just checked it. I did forget to change the version number in the About Box! Sorry, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

It seems that everyone has a different interpretation on this. I have looked at it closely and switched it in English in 3.07. It reads as follows: %N emigrated %D p{from} %P. %N immigrated %D p{to} %P. If you are seeing something different, you may likely be looking at a different language than English - as I don't know enough of other languages to be haphazardly changing any of them. If common people can't figure out the proper meaning of these two words, it makes me wonder what good the use of them is. But they are GEDCOM standards. The GEDCOM standard reads as follows: EMIG "An event of leaving one's homeland with the intent of residing elsewhere." IMI "An event of entering into a new locality with the intent of residing there." In both cases it seems obvious to me that they are following the definition I had obtained from the web. EMIG should show the "homeland" one is moving "from". IMMI should show the "new locality" where one is moving "to". I can't imagine from the quotes above interpreting it any differently. I shall leave them as they are in 3.07 and explained above. If anyone wants to change them for themselves, they can use the Std Event Editor. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>If you write that Frida Rage emigrated from Norway using the >Emigration Archive for Stavanger Norway as the source - you have >omitted the most important place information in that archive. That is >the place she went TO - USA. I might have used the Emigration Archive, but she still "immigrated" to the USA. She did not "emigrate" to the USA. I use the Emigration Archive as the source of my Immigration event. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 02:34 PM 3/28/01 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Ira, > >I notice that, when printing an Ancestral wall chart, the right column of >boxes are not closed on the right side (and, of course, no horizotal links >to the next page either). This is not a problem if I use the US letter >paper size. Sounds like an A4 problem? I'll have to check into. I have printed several rather large charts of my own and they all worked fine. But I was using US letter size. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Ira, I am afraid Sigurd is right, no matter from what country or in what language you look at it. I thought the discussion ended with no change. Please change it back. Jens E Brammer, Øverød, Denmark > So I am sorry to observe that Ira has screwed it up with his change in > 3.07. > > In all future releases of Cftw, I will change it back to "Emigrated > to" and "Immigrated from". > > Sigurd Eliassen > Norway

Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:11:03 +1100, Mike Calder : >> Thus my events should really say: >> >> %N emigrated from %P >> %N immigrated to %P If you want your place fields to tell as little as possible - yes, do it your way But if you want to put the most important information in the place field, the answer obviously is NO. Every person in the emigration archive for a certain country of course emigrated from that country. But they emigrated to DIFFERENT countries - that is the important information to collect and put in the place field. If you write that Frida Rage emigrated from Norway using the Emigration Archive for Stavanger Norway as the source - you have omitted the most important place information in that archive. That is the place she went TO - USA. Every person working with the immigration archives at Ellis Island, of course knows that every person in this archive immigrated to USA. It will be really stupid to put that in the place field - when you have just one field. The most important information of course is the place they came FROM. >Being a pedantic bastard I have checked the Oxford (UK), WEBSTERS (1894 - >USA) and the MACQUARIE (Australia). All use the definitions above. Well, since I am another pedantic bastard, I will quote "Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Fifth edition. Oxford University Press 1995" page 377: "emigrate /'emigreit/ v- (from...) (to...) to leave one's own country and go to live permanently in another: [Vpr] emigrate from Poland to Australia to find work [also V] emigrant /'emigrent/ n a person who emigrates: emigrants to Canada" [Vpr] = verb + prepositional phrase [V] = verb used alone Oxford Dictionary uses "Emigrants TO Canada" as an example. From a Norwegian Dictionary: "Bokmålsordboka. Universitetsforlaget 1986" page 123: "emigrere utvandre, flytte til et annet land, hun emigrerte til USA" Translated: "emigrate move out, move to another country, she emigrated TO USA" These two examples show that Mike Calder's understanding is not the one used in these two dictionaries. So I am sorry to observe that Ira has screwed it up with his change in 3.07. In all future releases of Cftw, I will change it back to "Emigrated to" and "Immigrated from". Sigurd Eliassen Norway

Dear Ira, I notice that, when printing an Ancestral wall chart ON A4 PAPER (sorry for not making it clear first time!), the right column of boxes are not closed on the right side (and, of course, no horizotal links to the next page either). This is not a problem if I use the US letter paper size. Greetings Harvey nimmo

Dear Ira, I notice that, when printing an Ancestral wall chart, the right column of boxes are not closed on the right side (and, of course, no horizotal links to the next page either). This is not a problem if I use the US letter paper size. Greetings Harvey nimmo

Ira I have just downloaded the 3.07 Upgrade from your web pages - I see it still announces itself as version 3.06X - was this a mistake or did you just forget to renumber the version number in the Help/About Box? I still enjoy uing it whichever version it thinks it is! Warmest regards Phil. Warn

Sorry to the translators for no warning on posting 3.07 as I had said I would give a week warning. However, the one annoying bug introduced in 3.06 which messed up places when transfered from Ver 2 databases - was really causing a lot fo work for me as I was attempting to update so many people's databases that I was spending more time doing that than if I simply fixed that one bug and uploaded 3.07. So I went ahead and uplaoded anyway with no warning. Very few things new in Ver 3.07. Only one new feature, the option to turn of the display of photos on the main screen (Database Configuration). And a handful of other bugs also fixed - with the aforementioned Ver 2 import the most important one which was really giving grief to lots of people. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 05:55 PM 3/26/01 +0200, you wrote: > >FAQ concerning the jpg-format, including answers to different types of jpg >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/part1/index.html > >I often use this program to view all different types of graphic files >http://www.irfanview.com/ Thanks, this is helpful. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Hi Ira >> Ok. Let me think about these issues and see what I can do. As I see it, you don't really need to change anything substantial here - simply consider an otherwise empty DEAT event an "non-empty" (so that it not suppressed) if the living flag is unchecked. Even this is not new, as you are already doing it for "chart" type reports, because these report already exhibit the desired behavior. John

FAQ concerning the jpg-format, including answers to different types of jpg http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/part1/index.html I often use this program to view all different types of graphic files http://www.irfanview.com/ Max [email protected] -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Can anyone help this fellow out? I'm somewhat at a loss. >>From: Ira J Lund <[email protected]> >>To: "rami kamal" <[email protected]> >> >Hi Ira >> >Yes the pictures do not show even they are there when I edit them. Also, >> >I had checked the media tap before the preview and still only one or two >> >pictures show and even some of the data not only the picture is still >> >missing from the print review >>Ok. Then we are closer to the problem. Evidently there are so many >>variations of image styles and CFT-Win cannot read them all. For example, >>even JPG files have at least two different compression formats. And >>CFT-Win can only read one of these formats. So evidently your images are in >>the wrong format. Do you have some sort of image editor where you can load >>and resave under a different format. Or when you scan can you save to a >>differenf format. I have found JPG to be the best but cannot recall what >>the name of the proper compression format is that you need to save to. Can >>you experiment with this until you find a good format that you can "view" >>in CFT-Win. Then if you save all your images to that format things should >>work. >> >>Ira >Thank you for the valuable information, however, the picture editor I am >using is MGI photo editor. I tried to save picture with Microsoft photo >editor with JPG format but nothing changed. So, please where I can find a >photo editors with the two JPG format you mentioned so I can use the right >format for Cumberland Family Software. Although I believe the problem may be >something else. Because why three of the pictures show and the rest are not. >If you have any thought I 'll be grateful to hear. >thank you for the help >ottel -

These CFTW mail items are like London's Red Buses, you wait a long time and they come around in droves! Kind regards Phil. Warn [Outer London, UK]

>I am probably one of them, can you please explain how this is done with >simple examples. >The formatting 'wild card' symbols the advanced users illustrated only >confused me. >When I was setting up my data base I needed a way to document the >migrations which have played a significant role in my family's history. I >looked at both IMMI and EMIG events and found the immigration confusing. >After some experimentation I used EMIG with the destination in the Place >field and the phrase "from Place" in the free format data field. >An example story line reads: Andrew Ancestor emigrated in Date (from >Hometown) to Place. > >This seems to work. is there a better way? The Emigration/Immigration events are Standard GEDCOM events. I think that in each case they were meant to only show ONE place name, either the place moved "from" or the place moved "to" and not both as you are attempting to do here. Which begs the questions, can we add a CFT-Win Std Event that allows BOTH places? I don't really see how, since each event allows only one place name to be attached to it - not two place names , unless you use the Misc Data for a second place name. %N moved from %P to %M. I don't know if this is a good idea. It would end up mixing place names int he Misc Data records. Back to my old saw - there are simply some things that are easiest ot simply explain in a note somewhere, rather than trying to structure in the database. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 01:14 PM 3/25/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Event notes do not show up in 'Story' output for children. Only if this >child has a family of his/her own does the event note appear in the story of >that family. >The Story Options include an option for including Event Notes, but it has no >effect on event notes for children. > >For example, I have many occurrences of children that died very young, and >the only info I have is baptism info along with an extract from the >baptismal registry, something like: "Witnes to this baptism were: blah, >blah". I put this info in the Baptism Event Note, mostly because in some >cases the extract is too long for "Miscellaneous". But, in story format >this information is not displayed. > >Is there a solution to this?? It has been quite some time since I checked this, but I think it should work as you want it. The first thing I question is whether you have the generation number set high enough to carry on to the next generation. The report stops at the set generation number regardless of other conditions. Then there are some internal checks the program does to decide whether to continue the story of a given person. Checks include things like, is there a spouse? is there some data in the note field - basically the question asked: is there more info on this person that gets shown simply as a child here. if yes then that person's story should be shown seperately. Not saying that there may not be a bug. I would have to really dig deeper into this to verify the exact reason why an event note might cause the person not to be continued with a story of their own. Just talking from memoery here. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Can anyone help this fellow out? I'm somewhat at a loss. >>From: Ira J Lund <[email protected]> >>To: "rami kamal" <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: picture >>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:47:45 -0600 >> >Hi Ira >> >Yes the pictures do not show even they are there when I edit them. Also, >> >I had checked the media tap before the preview and still only one or two >> >pictures show and even some of the data not only the picture is still >> >missing from the print review >>Ok. Then we are closer to the problem. Evidently there are so many >>variations of image styles and CFT-Win cannot read them all. For example, >>even JPG files have at least two different compression formats. And >>CFT-Win can only read one of these formats. So evidently your images are in >>the wrong format. Do you have some sort of image editor where you can load >>and resave under a different format. Or when you scan can you save to a >>differenf format. I have found JPG to be the best but cannot recall what >>the name of the proper compression format is that you need to save to. Can >>you experiment with this until you find a good format that you can "view" >>in CFT-Win. Then if you save all your images to that format things should >>work. >> >>Ira >Thank you for the valuable information, however, the picture editor I am >using is MGI photo editor. I tried to save picture with Microsoft photo >editor with JPG format but nothing changed. So, please where I can find a >photo editors with the two JPG format you mentioned so I can use the right >format for Cumberland Family Software. Although I believe the problem may be >something else. Because why three of the pictures show and the rest are not. >If you have any thought I 'll be grateful to hear. >thank you for the help >ottel ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 09:31 PM 3/25/01 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Ira, >when meandering through my database (1000+ IRNs) I always discover several >tasks to be done before I miss them. I cannot complete them in parallel, >thus it is necessary to make side notes - using different "StickIt" or >"ToDo" freewares. >My dream is to have a simple ToDo function integrated into CFTW (like I've >seen in at least one other gene program). >Keep developing your topping program! I have a "Document" called "To Do List". Look in Editors Menu and Document Editor. You can keep all kinds of notes there. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 07:06 AM 3/25/01 +0000, you wrote: >Ancestral List Report only three fields get printed regardless of how >small the font. >Is there some way to change the field width so that more than three fields >print? No. Not at present. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043