I second that statement. I hope that you don't take that personally. It is by far the best product and support. It really is too bad that a few bad remarks can cause so much hurt. You have a lot of friends that far outnumber those that are not. We do appreciate everything that you do for this superb program. I for one am very proud of the program and I read all the mail and I can truly see why you take it to heart. I am amazed at the number of complaints that come in that are not even related to the program but to the equipment. Trying to run Windows or any Windows based programs with 32 meg or less is for the experts to tweak and not for the faint of heart. Anytime sound files and graphics and text are being combined, you need horsepower. Every machine is different and every operator is different. The more experience the less complaints because the experienced person knows that many factors affect the operation of a machine. The hard drive and it's age, The amount of memory and the type of memory. The Processor is only one small part of the whole. Yes it serves a very important job but so does everything else. If people would only read these e-mails and see that everything is being done by the creator of this program that is within reason and within cost guide lines that we can handle. Also you can see by the constructive criticism how many and what type of complaints are coming in. If every person with a P133 were affected then you could safely say that something is definitely wrong with this program or with the P133. One complaint came in about a virus a short while ago and 50 reply's shortly thereafter disproved that to be true. I knew this to be true because I had just downloaded from the site. I also run an anti virus program but even if it were shut off it is still my responsibility. Yes Ira would probably like to know if he were the cause but by reading all the e-mails over those weeks one could ultimately see that he was not and everybody on the list got a lesson on virus like behavior. In conclusion and I apologize for being so long winded but I like this program and I like the Author of the program and I do not want to loose either. Constructive criticism is good for all of us. Destructive criticism will affect us all but benefit no one. So please think before you do. Thank you Ira. This comes from a lot of us that really appreciate everything that you do and our list owner and manager. I for one have learned a lot just since being a member........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie Drabble" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: [CFTW] APPLAUSE WHERE IT IS DUE > Ira > > I have read all the complaints concerning Immigrate/Emigrate, etc., and don't really understand what all the fuss is about. You have very thoughtfully included a "Standard Events" editor in your Ver. 3 and as you have already explained, it doesn't take a genius to amend the event to whatever one's personal preference may be. I have used it to tweak a couple myself - my preference, no problem. > > I can understand you getting upset at what appear to be some personal attacks and you must wonder at times, "Is it worth it"? > > Yes, it most certainly is. I for one, am a more than satisfied registered user of your excellent program - even on my snail paced ancient P133 with 36m ram. Keep up the good work. You must realise that from all the very many registered users there are throughout the world, complaints such as these only emanate from a very very small minority. > > Keep up the good work. > > Ernie Drabble > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Ira Good on you - I agree with your ver. 3.07. Regards Geoff Rotorua

Hi Ira Firstly, thank you very much for version 3.07. Some important bugs have been fixed. The visual appearance of "long" dates in the HTML output is PERFECT. Sigurd, you also raised this issue, what do you think? Just a few words about the emigrate/immigrate issue that have been causing some concern recently: Ira, I really feel you have made a mistake (or were certainly premature) by changing this in 3.07. Since there are obviously many views on this topic, and especially since there has been no clearcut right or wrong conclusion within the list (although most seem to think that 3.06 was correct), it should have been left as is. I suggest you consult an English professor at the local university to clear this up once and for all. Personally, I think that the 3.06 method was correct and 3.07 is now wrong. In the new manual you quite correctly state that "Emigrate means to leave a country". However, this must be viewed from the point of view of the person in question, before the act of emigration. In other words, the "from" country is implicit, being the country where that person currently resides, and so does not need to be specified. The "to" country is where he is moving to, so must be specified in the place field. Thus the wording should be "emigrated .. to ..". If you like, you can think of emigrate as future tense "where are you in the process of going to" while the person is still in his old country, whereas immigrate is the past tense "where did you come from" once the person has arrived in his new country. Ira, thanks again for all your hard work and dedication, it is much appreciated. John Smith South Africa

mmm... I run CFTW v3.07 with a 9,900 name database on a 400 mHZ Celeron and it runs like a Swiss watch. Fast as greased lightening. The problem must be you, not the program, not the machine. > >Do I really have to spend some 2000$ for a new super high > >performance PC with a 1.5 GHz Pentium4 only to be able to run > >CFTW3 without being stressed ?

You don't have to spend $2000 for a 1.5 GHz Pentium4. I use a 600 MHz Pentium3 and it is FAST when using CFTW. Besides, you can get an 800 MHz system now, complete system, for under $800. With your 400 MHz system, I'll bet you don't wait longer than 10-15 seconds for anything to load. Is that worth being stressed over? Oh my, how we have been spoiled by the fast-paced world today. SgtGeorge At 01:33 PM 03/29/2001, Erik Helmer Nielsen wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:10:44 +0200, Sigurd wrote: > > >So I am sorry to observe that Ira has screwed it up with his change in > >3.07. > >In all future releases of Cftw, I will change it back to "Emigrated > >to" and "Immigrated from". > >I am also very disappointed that Ira in vers. 3.07 has totally >neglected the wishes and opinions of a clear majority of Users. >In version 3.06 I was disappointed to see that the selection of >Printer was removed, also in spite of the wishes of many Users. >What will happen in vers. 3.08? > >Version 3 has for me brought just one substantial improvement, >and that is the much better registration of Sources. >I only feel that it has been obtained at a too high cost. >Version 3 is in my opinion so dead slow that I can't stand it, I >get stressed and upset any time I use the program. >My PC with a 400 MHz K6 processor works to my satisfaction on all >other programs, but not on CFTW3. >Do I really have to spend some 2000$ for a new super high >performance PC with a 1.5 GHz Pentium4 only to be able to run >CFTW3 without being stressed ? > >Erik **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT**********

At 09:14 AM 03/29/2001, Alfred Kraft van Ermel wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Dear Ira, > >I think you are wrong here; she actually emigrated to the USA! > >Please consider the same context with the different words: import and >export >vs immigrate and emigrate, which in fact mean the same but are used with >goods other than people. > >One uses import to imply that goods enter ones (from the writer's point of >view) country, and thus are exported from (left another) country. > >Thus: 'im' implies entering and 'ex' implies leaving (a place or country - >again - from subjects point of view) > >Alfred **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** Alfred, I agree with Ira. Please look in the dictionary again. Using my dictionaries, it seems there can be only one way to use these words: Maria Schmidt emigrated from Berlin, Germany. Maria Schmidt immigrated to Madison Co., VA. I looked in 5 different dictionaries, both book form, and computer form, and they all agree. Words mean things! Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman Knoxville, TN

That is why I released it as "Shareware". You can try it first and then if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. I try my best not to get irritated at my users. But I guess this is one time I am. If you don't like CFT-Win, then go use another program. I don't mind ideas for improvements. I think I have shown that many times in the past. But when users start whinning that I didn't do what they asked, what am I to think? I gave you my reasons for removing the Printer thing. I gave you my reasons for changing the emigration/immigration event. And you say I should take a vote and do what my users want me to? With too many users with an attitude like that - and I will soon simply shut down this program and go out of business! I really don't need to deal with that attitude! I don't make enough money to have to put up with it. I have good common sense reasons for why I do things - I am afraid I am not superman to please "everybody all the time". And I have tried to explain to you why I do things. If you can't stay civilized about it, I really wished you would leave CFT-Win and go use another program. I gave you my reasons. If you want to get nasty and whining that I didn't do what "you" wanted me to, then please go use another program. Ira >>So I am sorry to observe that Ira has screwed it up with his change in >>3.07. >>In all future releases of Cftw, I will change it back to "Emigrated >>to" and "Immigrated from". > >I am also very disappointed that Ira in vers. 3.07 has totally >neglected the wishes and opinions of a clear majority of Users. >In version 3.06 I was disappointed to see that the selection of >Printer was removed, also in spite of the wishes of many Users. >What will happen in vers. 3.08? > >Version 3 has for me brought just one substantial improvement, >and that is the much better registration of Sources. >I only feel that it has been obtained at a too high cost. >Version 3 is in my opinion so dead slow that I can't stand it, I >get stressed and upset any time I use the program. >My PC with a 400 MHz K6 processor works to my satisfaction on all >other programs, but not on CFTW3. >Do I really have to spend some 2000$ for a new super high >performance PC with a 1.5 GHz Pentium4 only to be able to run >CFTW3 without being stressed ? ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 09:29 PM 3/30/01 +1200, you wrote: >Am I right in thinking that if I move to 3.07, when I open my >database all the emigrate/immigrate events will have the grammar >switched around? > >will "Jørgen VOSS emigrated from Schleswig" become >"…emigrated to Schleswig"? >I doubt i can face that. Yes. If you want to change it go to Option Menu - Edit Standard Events and simply change the word "from" to "to" and vise versa for the two events. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>The new version seems to forget the column widths! I keep changing them, >but the program keeps squeezing them back together again. >Window positions are remembered, but not column widths in the main window or >in the individual editor window. > >Is it a bug, or an incompetent operator? I assume you are speaking of the main Family Group window and the columns there. There is a "bug" there that I have looked at a couple of times. It does not show up in English. It has to do with the length of words in the column heading. I have seen in some languages where the word for Birth or Death is long, that it will not retain the column widths. I have messed with it for some time and can do nothing. I think it is related to the programming language I have and a bug in it - which I cannot solve. The only solution is to shorten the foreign word for "Birth" and "Death" - I think specifically the death. I cannot recall the maximum length but experiment with it and you will find it. You have to edit it in the Program Configuration - Language editor. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to use migrate with a from and to. Seems like this would remove the ambiguity and misinterpretation. I'm doing this now [v3.06] by using EMIG and adding "from XXXXX" in the free format data field, it's clumsey but it works. YT Mike At 12:01 29/03/01 +0200, you wrote: >Ira, > >Since this subject won't go away, I'll put in my two penn'orth as well!

Hi Ira The bug is still there in version 3.07 - although different people have their events missing - but I have changed the database slightly, so the bug might be the same. WPBW John -- http://www.stmawgan.org.uk ICQ#24559772 [email protected] [email protected]

The new version seems to forget the column widths! I keep changing them, but the program keeps squeezing them back together again. Window positions are remembered, but not column widths in the main window or in the individual editor window. Is it a bug, or an incompetent operator? Frank van Thienen

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:10:44 +0200, Sigurd wrote: >So I am sorry to observe that Ira has screwed it up with his change in >3.07. >In all future releases of Cftw, I will change it back to "Emigrated >to" and "Immigrated from". I am also very disappointed that Ira in vers. 3.07 has totally neglected the wishes and opinions of a clear majority of Users. In version 3.06 I was disappointed to see that the selection of Printer was removed, also in spite of the wishes of many Users. What will happen in vers. 3.08? Version 3 has for me brought just one substantial improvement, and that is the much better registration of Sources. I only feel that it has been obtained at a too high cost. Version 3 is in my opinion so dead slow that I can't stand it, I get stressed and upset any time I use the program. My PC with a 400 MHz K6 processor works to my satisfaction on all other programs, but not on CFTW3. Do I really have to spend some 2000$ for a new super high performance PC with a 1.5 GHz Pentium4 only to be able to run CFTW3 without being stressed ? Erik

Erik, I feel there is something odd about a PC with a K6 400 MHz that can't handle CFT 3 adequately. I have a K6 500 PC that handles it at a cracking pace - pictures on version 3.07 and all. It also handles extremely large graphics and audio files more than adequately. Tim Churchill Lancaster http://www.tchurchill.co.uk

I also have no trouble with any of the CFT versions and I have P1, 133mhz with 80 m of ram. I will say Adobe Photoshop is a bit slow,, but what ta heck ya can't have it all.. Tim Churchill wrote: > Erik, > I feel there is something odd about a PC with a K6 400 MHz that can't handle > CFT 3 adequately. I have a K6 500 PC that handles it at a cracking pace - > pictures on version 3.07 and all. It also handles extremely large graphics > and audio files more than adequately. > > Tim Churchill > Lancaster > > http://www.tchurchill.co.uk > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:06:02 -0600, Ira J Lund : >I might have used the Emigration Archive, but she still "immigrated" to the >USA. She did not "emigrate" to the USA. I use the Emigration Archive as the >source of my Immigration event. That kind of logic is strange to me. It is like using the Death Record as the source for the Birth Event, and the Birth Record as the source for the Death Event. The way you cross link sources and events - Emigration Archives to Immigration Events and Immigration Archives to Emigration Events- makes new problems. The dates of the Emigration Event and the Immigration Event are different!! Because the journey lasted several weeks. So let us say that we find the following information in the emigration archive for Trondheim, Norway: "Harbour: Trondheim. First name: Ola. Surname: Nordmann. Year: 1884. Day: 18 Feb. Destination: Vining, Minnesota" According to your practice described above, it will look like this: "Ola Nordmann IMMIGRATED to Vining, Minnesota 10 Feb 1884" Source: EMIGRATION Archive Trondheim Harbour, Norway. But the date is wrong!! The EMIGRATION Archive does not have any information about the day of IMMIGRATION!! And may be the immigration record is lost making it impossible to find the correct date of immigration. In the immigration archive at Ellis Island, we might find the following (I have not seen the records there): "Harbour: Ellis Island. First name: Kari. Surname: Nordmann. Year: 1872. Day: 25 Aug. Departure: Kristiania, Norway." Then your wording will be like this:: "Kari Nordmann EMIGRATED from Kristiania, Norway 25 Aug 1872" Source: IMMIGRATION Archive at Ellis Island. And the date is wrong once again. May be she emigrated from Kristiania 12 Jul 1872? And we will never find out because that protocol is lost!! When you write: >"She did not "emigrate" to USA" your understanding of how the words might be used, is not consistent with dictionaries. From a Norwegian point of view, she of course emigrated (from Norway) to USA. From an Amercan point of view she of course immigrated to USA (from Norway). Let us look at some examples. All of the following sentences are CORRECT according to dictionaries and books about emigration/immigration: 1) Ola Nordmann emigrated FROM Norway TO America. 2) Ola Nordmann emigrated FROM Norway. 3) Ola Nordmann emigrated TO America 4) Ola Nordmann immigrated TO America FROM Norway. 5) Ola Nordmann immigrated TO America. 6) Ola Nordmann immigrated FROM Norway. In Cftw it is impossible with two places. That means that the sentences 1) and 4) are impossible. Then we are left with two pairs: 2) and 5) or 3) and 6). I will emphasize that they are all correct according to dictionaries and use in literature about our issue. So let us stop arguing about that. The discussion is about the most consistent use of TO and FROM. And we have to make the wisest choice with just one place field available. Let me just quote some titles of books or articles concerning emigration FROM Europe TO America: "Norwegian Migration to America 1825-1860" "Utvandringen til Amerika 1866-1873" (The emigration to America 1866-1873) "The Background of Swedish Emigration to the United States. An Economic and Sociological Study in the Dynamics of Migration." "Emigration from Land Parish to America" Sigurd Eliassen Norway

Ira, Correct English would be: 1) Frida Rage emigrated from Norway to USA 2) Frida Rage immigrated into USA from Norway Both sentences are allowed by the dictionary definitions and also the GEDCOM description. Both sentences report the same historical event but each from a different point of view. 1) reports the event from Norway's viewpoint and you could therefore leave out 'from Norway' from the sentence but not 'to USA' 2) reports the event from USA's point of view so you could leave out '(in)to USA' but not 'from Norway'. Greetings Harvey Nimmo

Hi Ira I really appreciate all you have been doing recently. CFTW gets better and better. I have found a bug in the output of HTML in version 3.06 - I have option "Living individuals: Show names only, but no other data" checked. I would have expected the "Living Individuals" selection to be based on the "Living Flag" (LF) but many of the individuals who have the LF unchecked have their events detailed omitted. For example, Phillip Arthur Booth has a death event on 2nd August 1992, his LF is unchecked and neither his dates nor his events are listed. The html pages are at http://www.sleejg.fsnet.co.uk WPBW John -- http://www.stmawgan.org.uk ICQ#24559772 [email protected] [email protected]

Ira, Since this subject won't go away, I'll put in my two penn'orth as well! Ira, can it be that you are over-interpreting your dictionary definition and overlooking the fact that the definitions you quote do not give an indication of the way the words should be used in sentences. I think the point is that both these words get their meanings from the standpoint of a 'fictitious' speaker/writer, who wants to say that a person 'went away from here' (emigration) or 'came here' (immigration). When a person emigrates he leaves his home country. That is what the dictionary defintion says. But, in the use of the word 'emigrate', his home country is ususally implicitly known and therefore may not need to be mentioned in the sentence. The mention of the country of origin in the sentence is not as important as the destination country which could be anywhere in the world. Therefore the sentence should read: "%N emigrated from %P1 to %P2", whereby %P1 could be omitted because it is often obvious. Similarly, with the word 'immigrate', the country of destination is implicit, but the immigrant could have come from anywhere in the world. Thus it is more important to say where he came from: "%N immigrated into %P2 from %P1". In this case, %P2 could be omitted because it is usually obvious but not %P1. I do hope this is reasonable contribution to the discussion. But perhaps you just forgot to switch back to the original code in the rush to get version 3.07 (=3.06x) out :-). On the other hand CFTW is such a good product, the user can correct it himself! Greetings Harvey

Look, friends, if anyone wants to input all the information, there are three choices: 1. Edit Standard Events to suit yourself. Go to Options--Standard Events--Emigration (and Immigration) and alter the text any old way. One may use the Misc Data field for the other placename if it's going to be repeated in other records. Examples: a) Leopold MYERS emigrated 31 Oct 1858 from Liverpool, England and arrived 15 Nov 1858 at New York, New York. In this case, %M has been added to the Standard Event and the Misc Data field says "and arrived 15 Nov 1858 at New York, New York". b) Leopold MYERS emigrated 31 Oct 1858 from Liverpool, England and arrived at New York, New York. Arrived 15 Nov 1858. In this case, the Standard Event reads " ...m{and arrived at} %M," where M contains only "New York, New York" for repeated use of this placename, while the second date is entered as a Note. 2. Use the Notes field to complete a l l the information. Example: Leopold MYERS emigrated 31 Oct 1858 from Liverpool, England. Arrived 15 Nov 1858 at New York, New York. 3. Use B O T H Emigrate A N D Immigrate Events. Example: Leopold MYERS emigrated 31 Oct 1858 from Liverpool, England Leopold MYERS immigrated 15 Nov 1858 to New York, New York The beauty of CFTW is that it's so f l e x i b l e :-) Finito, la commedia! Jon