I tested 2.50x and 2.51x and I, too, found that the Source for the Edit Individual window can not be deleted, whereas it's OK in 3.07. If I may be permitted a question on v.2, what were the enhancements in 2.51x over 2.50x? This is not shown in the documentation. I remember that the CFTW prices were changed, but what of substance? I ask because I see that the files are quite different internally. 2.50x contains a series of c4....dll's and in 2.51x these are c5...dll's. 2.50x contains a series of cw2...32.dll's and cwfault..dll's, whereas in 2.51x these have been replaced entirely with mfc40.dll, mfcand32.dll, msvert20.dll, msvert40.dll, and oc30.dll. I am not asking for an explanation of these files, just the enhancements they made. The reason I ask is simply to gauge which to use (in conjuction with v.3)--right now I have all three on my desktop! JM

At 10:27 AM 4/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >When I am in the Edit Individual screen and a source has been filled in, >there appears to be no way to remove this source. I delete it, click the >CLOSE button but when I enter the Edit Individual again, the source is still >there. > >I can change the source from one to another but I don't want any source. >How do I remove the Source from the Main Edit Individual tab? >Removing a source from an EVENT poses no problem. >I have done rebuild already. There has to be something corrupted in your database. The remove source does work. I even just tested one now to see. I have used sources on all my individuals. I am baffled. If your database is not very large maybe you can ZIP and e-mail to me and I'll look at it. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Same with me. I created a source "no source" to solve the dilemma. I don't know whether Ira is willing to correct such little bugs in Ver 2. But it seems that there are still a good number of users who - like me - are very happy to collect their data with the in the meantime extremely reliable Ver 2 (and play, do calculations and reports with Ver 3) Max Gschneidinger -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 5. April 2001 16:28 When I am in the Edit Individual screen and a source has been filled in, there appears to be no way to remove this source. I delete it, click the CLOSE button but when I enter the Edit Individual again, the source is still there. I can change the source from one to another but I don't want any source. How do I remove the Source from the Main Edit Individual tab? Removing a source from an EVENT poses no problem. I have done rebuild already. Karen Pastuzyn

When I am in the Edit Individual screen and a source has been filled in, there appears to be no way to remove this source. I delete it, click the CLOSE button but when I enter the Edit Individual again, the source is still there. I can change the source from one to another but I don't want any source. How do I remove the Source from the Main Edit Individual tab? Removing a source from an EVENT poses no problem. I have done rebuild already. Karen Pastuzyn

G'day Ira, > CFT-Win is an SDI program ....etc. Thanks for the technical explanation. Most informative and helps the novice/intermediate like me appreciate the workings (and limitations) of a great program. HURU, Mike CALDER http://members.optushome.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE

>I checked the CFT help manual regarding loading CFT on multiple PCs and >found no information. I would like to load CFT onto a laptop in addition >to the desktop PC I use at home. This will facilitate research efforts, >particularly when travelling to visit family. Can I use my User Number on >both machines? Yes, that is fine. My policy is that the license is for the individuals (not computers) and several people put the program on two computers to do exactly as you suggest. I have no problem with that and don't feel it is fair to make you pay twice. So feel free to do as you suggest and don't feel guilty in the least about doing it. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 06:01 AM 4/4/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've tried to update/upgrade the 3.06xx version to 3.07 with >no luck. >I initially downloaded the cftw307.exe and installed it. >Checking in the Help About I found that the version I have is: > >32-Bit Version 3.06x for Windows 95/98/2000/NT Sorry, I think you did get 3.07. There was one little mistake I made in 3.07 and that was to change what it says in the About box. It still says 3.06. >I downloaded the Upgrade patch and unzipped 3 files into the >CFTW3 subdirectory. >When I ran the CFT program, I was prompted for a language selection, which >I left it as is... >and nothing happened. I mean no upgrade to 3.07. >That is very evident when comparing the Manual pdf file which contains >screen snap-shots of the Edit Individual - where I don't see the >Normal Surname textbox. I do not recall changing anything in the area I think you are refering to. Can you tell me the page number you are looking on? Did you download the new manual and does the title page say 3.07? >Also how do you print the skelleton of decendants/ancestors? >I don't want the whole list with details. Just the same identical >line connected (with plus or minuts if we want to expand) from the >Decendants or Ancestors tabs. The closest is the Descendant List Style 2 report. Make sure to click on the Fields icon at top of report when you have selected this report and make sure all fields are set to none so that you get no dates and place. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

To Ira and the List: I checked the CFT help manual regarding loading CFT on multiple PCs and found no information. I would like to load CFT onto a laptop in addition to the desktop PC I use at home. This will facilitate research efforts, particularly when travelling to visit family. Can I use my User Number on both machines? STEVEN J. FROME Glen Cove, NY Email: [email protected] or [email protected] Web: www.sfrome.homestead.com

Hi Alon Have you downloaded and read the manual? The answers to your questions are in it! Ian Westergaard In Sunny & Cool Central Otago New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alon using Cumberland Family Tree" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: [CFTW] Possible future enhancements.. and few questions.. > Hello all, > > I'm new to this list so please pardon if these issues have been raised before. > > Comparing the CFT to the UFT (Ultimate Family Tree) I find it to be far > superior and a heck more intuitive. > > I let my mom (who is not the most computer literate person) to do the > data gathering and entry. > > Issues that came while she was using it: > > 1. Each user that was created had // at the beginning of the name. > What is the meaning of those // symbols? > > 2. What is the format that the software expects you to enter the name? > i.e., Last, First, MI. or First Last etc... > > 3. What are the delimiters between the name parts commas, semicolun, '/'? > > 4. While most new users had only 2 // some at a slightly lower level had > 3 / -> /// does this signify anything? > > 5. When typing a new person, there is no alert or mentioning to already > existing individuals. My mom didn't realize that after 70 entries, > about 20 of them were duplicates. It would be great if there were > either alert msg to the user that an individual with identical name > already exists, OR while you type the new individual, there would be > an auto-fill that would be populated by each charachter. In the latter > solution, you could see immediatly if an individual has been entered > previously and use them instantly. > > 6. When viewing the list of Names, a 'sort-by' could come handy - by > clicking on the headers - to allow instant ascending/decending by that > column (e.g., Name, First, last, IRN number, Date of birth etc.) > > 7. How do you print a Decendants Tree - skeleton of names the way it > appears in the Decendants tab? It doesn't show in the Reports. > > > That's all, thanks for your help, > > -Alon > [email protected] > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

At 07:46 PM 4/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >As a test, I did a rebuild on my 2.50 database, used 3.07 to reimport it to >v.3 using the v.2 import feature, and ran v.3. rebuild. After this I ran >Statistics Reports in both v.2.50 and v.3.07 and compared them. The >results were wildly different in Average Life Span, Life Span Distribution, >Number of Marriages, Number of Events, etc. I have 3213 IRN's. Am I doing >something wrong? > >I'm e-mailing the text version of the two reports to Ira. I'll have to take a look. It sure seems like I have struggled a lot with this report. Made corrects in several updates since 3.00. It seems to keep coming up. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>I'm new to this list so please pardon if these issues have been raised before. Even if they have been addressed before, I know that users come and go, so it is no problem feeling free to ask questions and get them answered again. >1. Each user that was created had // at the beginning of the name. > What is the meaning of those // symbols? >2. What is the format that the software expects you to enter the name? > i.e., Last, First, MI. or First Last etc... >3. What are the delimiters between the name parts commas, semicolun, '/'? >4. While most new users had only 2 // some at a slightly lower level had > 3 / -> /// does this signify anything? Names should be entered exactly as they would appear in normal writing of a person's full name. The slashes // delimit the surname, which the program then parses and thus allows for searches or lists sorted by surname. Thus proper entries: Ira Johan /Lund/ Robbert /van de Groot/ Roberta /Jimenez/ Valdez/ A "pair" of slashes normally delimit a surname. Three slashes can be used to for Spanish/ Portuguese names that have multiple surnames (a father surname and a mother surname). Mor int he manual on this. Small names - like "van" and "de", although part of the surname can be excluded using Exempt Surnames (Option Menu - Database Configuration). By excluded, I mean that int he example above "Groot' is what gets sorted on - not "van". Commas, or anything else becomes part of the name: William Jordan /Smith,/ Jr. Will show up on the main screen as: William Jordan Smith, Jr. And get sorted as: Smith, William Jordan, Jr. >5. When typing a new person, there is no alert or mentioning to already > existing individuals. My mom didn't realize that after 70 entries, > about 20 of them were duplicates. It would be great if there were > either alert msg to the user that an individual with identical name > already exists, OR while you type the new individual, there would be > an auto-fill that would be populated by each charachter. In the latter > solution, you could see immediatly if an individual has been entered > previously and use them instantly. There is such an option. Go to Option Menu - Database Configuration - Database 1 Tab and check the option near bottom "do duplciate checking". >6. When viewing the list of Names, a 'sort-by' could come handy - by > clicking on the headers - to allow instant ascending/decending by that > column (e.g., Name, First, last, IRN number, Date of birth etc.) There are options to sort by Surname or Given Name, but not by IRN or descending order. >7. How do you print a Decendants Tree - skeleton of names the way it > appears in the Decendants tab? It doesn't show in the Reports. The closest is the "Descendant List Style 2" report. It indents and places in order as you expect but doesn't have the graphical tree items as you see on screen. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 07:11 PM 4/3/01 +0000, you wrote: >Like most win95 programs CFT uses 'windows within windows' for example in >the Edit Individual screen, clicking on an event line opens another >window as I would expect. In the upper right corner of the windows are the >usual three 'buttons': min, max and close. >The close button seems to have the same function as the close symbol at the >far left of the tool bar, are they different? >The maximum button works as expected and the minimize button places a bar >at the bottom of the screen as expected. >However if a window is minimized, clicking anywhere on the screen just >causes the machine to beep with every mouse click; the program seems to >'lock up' > >Have I downloaded a faulty copy of the CFT program? Minimising windows in >other programs does not cause the program to 'lock up' like CFT so I don't >think it's my computer. Can anyone explain this? No faulty program. That's the way it is. An understanding of the "types" of windows in Windows might help. There are basically 3 types of windows: 1. An "application" window 2. A "document" window (either MDI or SDI) 3. A "dialog" window The application window is the main window - think of it is that large one that surrounds any program. Many applications then allow you to open one or more "documents" within the application window. In MS-Word for example you can open more than one document. This is called an MDI application (multiple document interface). A program like CFT-Win which only allows the opening of "one" document (or database) is called an SDI (single document interface). Most other windows are considered "dialog" windows. For example, in MS-Word you click on Tools Menu - Options and it opens a dialog. Thus a dialog window is NOT a child MDI window - meaning that you cannot switch to another document when you are in a dialog window. You normally can't do a thing until you close that dialog window. In CFT-Win I have broken some standard rules. In most applications a "dialog' window will NOT have a minimize and maximize button. In fact - most will not allow you to resize the window. But I wanted to allow you to resize the Edit Individual and Edit Event windows (which are really dialog windows). In fact, I wanted to allow you to maximize these windows to fill the monitor since on a smaller monitor with the lowest screen resolution you won't see much if you can't maximize it. CFT-Win is also a Database program - more comparable to say MS-Access than it would be to MS-Word. In MS-Word you can open multiple documents and switch between them. In MS-Access you can really only open one database - although it does allow you to open multiple copies of the program. MS-Access allows you to also openmore than one view into a database - thus creating the MDI interface. You basically open various tables and on the Window Menu switch between them. CFT-Win is an SDI program - single database and even single view into the database. In the very early stages of veta 3 I messed with MDI and never could get it working smoothly. CFT-Win is NOT comparable to MS-Access in that it really is more complicated than MS-Access - in the way it actually is updating multiple internal tables when you edit a person or event. So thus, I did away with the complexities of any type of MDI interface. Probably rambled on more than necessary - but the answer is that the program is working the way I wrote it to work. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Hi All, I've tried to update/upgrade the 3.06xx version to 3.07 with no luck. I initially downloaded the cftw307.exe and installed it. Checking in the Help About I found that the version I have is: 32-Bit Version 3.06x for Windows 95/98/2000/NT I downloaded the Upgrade patch and unzipped 3 files into the CFTW3 subdirectory. When I ran the CFT program, I was prompted for a language selection, which I left it as is... and nothing happened. I mean no upgrade to 3.07. That is very evident when comparing the Manual pdf file which contains screen snap-shots of the Edit Individual - where I don't see the Normal Surname textbox. Also how do you print the skelleton of decendants/ancestors? I don't want the whole list with details. Just the same identical line connected (with plus or minuts if we want to expand) from the Decendants or Ancestors tabs. Thanks -Alon.

As a test, I did a rebuild on my 2.50 database, used 3.07 to reimport it to v.3 using the v.2 import feature, and ran v.3. rebuild. After this I ran Statistics Reports in both v.2.50 and v.3.07 and compared them. The results were wildly different in Average Life Span, Life Span Distribution, Number of Marriages, Number of Events, etc. I have 3213 IRN's. Am I doing something wrong? I'm e-mailing the text version of the two reports to Ira. JM

Like most win95 programs CFT uses 'windows within windows' for example in the Edit Individual screen, clicking on an event line opens another window as I would expect. In the upper right corner of the windows are the usual three 'buttons': min, max and close. The close button seems to have the same function as the close symbol at the far left of the tool bar, are they different? The maximum button works as expected and the minimize button places a bar at the bottom of the screen as expected. However if a window is minimized, clicking anywhere on the screen just causes the machine to beep with every mouse click; the program seems to 'lock up' Have I downloaded a faulty copy of the CFT program? Minimising windows in other programs does not cause the program to 'lock up' like CFT so I don't think it's my computer. Can anyone explain this? Mike

Hello all, I'm new to this list so please pardon if these issues have been raised before. Comparing the CFT to the UFT (Ultimate Family Tree) I find it to be far superior and a heck more intuitive. I let my mom (who is not the most computer literate person) to do the data gathering and entry. Issues that came while she was using it: 1. Each user that was created had // at the beginning of the name. What is the meaning of those // symbols? 2. What is the format that the software expects you to enter the name? i.e., Last, First, MI. or First Last etc... 3. What are the delimiters between the name parts commas, semicolun, '/'? 4. While most new users had only 2 // some at a slightly lower level had 3 / -> /// does this signify anything? 5. When typing a new person, there is no alert or mentioning to already existing individuals. My mom didn't realize that after 70 entries, about 20 of them were duplicates. It would be great if there were either alert msg to the user that an individual with identical name already exists, OR while you type the new individual, there would be an auto-fill that would be populated by each charachter. In the latter solution, you could see immediatly if an individual has been entered previously and use them instantly. 6. When viewing the list of Names, a 'sort-by' could come handy - by clicking on the headers - to allow instant ascending/decending by that column (e.g., Name, First, last, IRN number, Date of birth etc.) 7. How do you print a Decendants Tree - skeleton of names the way it appears in the Decendants tab? It doesn't show in the Reports. That's all, thanks for your help, -Alon [email protected]

Add my kudos also! Margaret Dawn Conner Jeppesen wrote: > > Here! Here! I couldn't say it better. > Dawn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond L. Fournier" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [CFTW] APPLAUSE WHERE IT IS DUE > > > I second that statement. I hope that you don't take that personally. I

>Today I tried to generate some web-pages using the excelent CFTW version >3.07. I encountered a problem with the sources and photos. When an >individual has one source and 5 photos, the progam somehow seems to >generate irrelevant source instances on the web-page for every photo >attached. Am I doing something wrong or is it some kind of minor bug?? Try running the Rebuild (Tools menu) and see if that helps. I suspect something internally messed up with the database. If that doesn't help then get back as there may be something else we need to be looking at. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 03:16 PM 04/02/2001, MJ wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Please, could the list be used for discussing the technical aspects of CFT >the program, > >While keeping all _personal_ comments by direct e-mail to the person you >disagree with. > >thank you, > >Mike **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** Mike, at the risk of angering you too, please let me say that, as Listowner, I will post guidance to the List here as to what is allowed and what is not. If ANYONE has similar recommendations, complaints, gripes, PLEASE send to me personally, NOT to the List. SgtGeorge George W. Durman Knoxville, TN CFT-WIN List Administrator

The List Archives are now working!!!!! HOORAH, HOORAH!!!!! For those who have been waiting to access them in order to search for things, this should be welcome news. HOW TO USE THE ARCHIVES: There are two types of Archives access: 1) SEARCH the Archives for specific messages by searching for names, words, etc. Use this URL and substitute the name of the List for XXXXX: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=XXXXX (In other words, you would replace XXXXX with SMITH to search the SMITH Mailing List for something. In this SEARCH you MUST type the name in ALL CAPS. Another example would be to replace XXXXX with EUDORA-MAIL, VIRUS-DISCUSSION, or WINDOWS- FOR DUMMIES, etc.) Once at the appropriate page, you would type in the word or words, and select the year to search. Some Lists have been in existence since 1996, while others are relatively new, starting in 2000 or 2001. 2) BROWSE the Archives to go from message to message, month by month, year by year: Use this URL and substitute the name of the List for xxxxx: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/xxxxx (Replace xxxxx with the appropriate surname, e.g. smith. In this search, you MUST type the name in non-caps. Again, for non- surname Lists, examples would be eudora-mail, virus-discussion, or windows-for-dummies, etc.) On this page, you can choose to see all List email "threaded" or in "chronological" order. You will see a list by month and year, from the first month the List was active, to the present month. EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!!! If you do a BROWSE, you cannot search for a word or words; what you will see will be all the emails for a specific month/year, either arranged by date, or by "thread", with the only identifier being the SUBJECT line. This is why it is VERY, VERY IMPORTANT that when you post an email to a List, or reply to an email, you MAKE SURE your subject line is descriptive of what you are sending. These BROWSE pages give lists of emails by SUBJECT LINES !!!!! Thus, if you are subscribed to the -D (Digest mode) List, and you reply to an email contained within the Digest and DON'T change the subject line, it will look something like this: Re: GERMANNA_COLONIES-D Digest V01 #104 So, your reply gets Archived with THAT subject line. What does that tell searchers when they are using the BROWSE utility? Absolutely NOTHING!!!!! In short, if you're a -D (Digest mode) subscriber, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE to match that of the email within the Digest before replying. Please!!!!! A word about using the SEARCH feature. You will have to experiment to find out how to best word your queries. Unfortunately, the search engine at Rootsweb is not a true "boolean" utility. You cannot search for a phrase. For instance, if you do a search for "germans in virginia", you will get "hits" on all emails that contain all three of those words, but not necessarily all together in a phrase. Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman Knoxville, TN Listowner