When one runs the 3.07 [3.06xx?] upgrade file. It first asks about dictionaries. All the boxes on the left screen are checked by the program, implying in my mind that all the checked dictionaries will load. However, if one unchecks the box one gets the aux dict, if one leaves all the boxes checked, no aux dict loads. This seems backwards to me, so perhaps some instructions could be added to the dict upgrade screen to explain what the program wants. I really like the new selection list icon display, very useful. Mike

I've been using the software for some time now and been subscribed here for couple of months. >From what I've seen so far, isn't a version 4.0 about to roll-out soon? The wish list must be long enough to provide a dramatic change with a lot of enhancements. Is it in the works? -Alon.

I downloaded the 3.07 upgrade file. When the upgrade started it first asked about dictionaries?, and since I only work in French and English, I 'unchecked' all the boxes but those two on the left window. When I clicked on continue the program proceeded to spend about 10 minutes 'updating'? languages I dont use. After about 12 minutes I stopped the process, and thought I had stopped the upgrade. What's going on? I don't want valuable memory space used to store a collection of languages of the world I will never use. How do I keep just french and english and the other stuff out of memory.. Why do I need a dictionary I don't use in this program anyway? It didn't do this when I started up 3.05 so I was not expecting this 'enhancement' Even though I interrupted the dictionary thing, I still got some sort of upgrade. It says 3.06x ?? Mike

Thank you Harald, it's so simple when you find someone who knows what they are talking about, isn't it. The TARGET=_top does exactly what I wanted - it was in my reference book too, I just hadn't found it. Editing all my fam000xx pages is not a real problem, it's only a small database and I've edited each page a few times already - once more won't kill me! Thanks again Harald for your prompt and helpful response and thanks also to the list for facilitating this. Alan Plato

Mr. Alan. I am interested. Did you really rename all the fam000xxx files. I addede a search engine to my page and it returns at searching a name all the indexes and pages where the searched-for name is includde , which is not elegant. But renaming a thousand entries is quite laboursome. I used an engine: Virtime search. Look at my amateur website to see how it works: http://home.planet.nl/~kajeka Greetings K.J.Kombrink. Alan & Diane schreef: > Thank you Harald, it's so simple when you find someone who knows what they are talking about, isn't it. > The TARGET=_top does exactly what I wanted - it was in my reference book too, I just hadn't found it. Editing all my fam000xx pages is not a real problem, it's only a small database and I've edited each page a few times already - once more won't kill me! > Thanks again Harald for your prompt and helpful response and thanks also to the list for facilitating this. > Alan Plato > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

As to this one, it was a case of something being corrupted. Interestingly I copied the idividual files from my "correct" copy on the laptop .. and the error was still there .. when I copied the entire folder over it disappeared .. anyway up and working great now. Many thanks for the ideas both to you Ira, and to Ian, Hugo | At 08:00 PM 5/10/01 +1000, you wrote: | >I think the problem relates to the specific entry field that Hugo is using. | > | >When entering at the event level a new place name directly in the Edit Event | >Place field, it provides a scrolling text entry box that certainly can | >handle a lot of characters, I guess the 250 Ira has stated. | > | >However, if an entry is made through the Add place name button on the Select | >Place Name screen called by the Place button on the Edit Event screen, this | >is a fixed two line entry field. Depending on the combination of upper and | >lower case characters, a user will be only able to enter about 100 | >characters. The same result happens when called from the Edit Place Name | >screen called from the main drop down menu Place name Editor (or Ctrl+P | >shortcut). | | I know that internally the database is set to hold a max of 250 characters. | But yes, I now see that because the vertical scroll bars on the right are | not there it won't let you go beyond two lines. Perhaps in Hugo's case if | he is using all CAPS this makes for the 51 characters max he can enter. I | will have to fix the Place Name Editor and adding a scroll bar should help | this out. | | Thansk for the tip on this. Ira |

| At 07:09 PM 5/9/01 +0200, you wrote: | >Hi there Ira | > | >Had a thought the other day when I was doing a rebuild of my database. There | >is a tck box there that says re-order the events in date order .. which is | >fine. But when you do not have a marriage date, say, it then sends this to | >the bottom of the data on that person. Would it be possible to either have | >as an alternate or instead "Restructue in standard event order"? This way | >you could set up your standard events in the order you would like and Birth | >would come before Baptisms, Marriage before Death ( though for some it may | >be the same event !) etc ... So when you did a restructure all your events | >would be in a logical order. | | Actually the way it really works is that events without dates get | "attached" to the event just preceding it, so that as the unknown date is | sorted it floats with the preceding event. With few events it may be | difficult to see this pattern.| | Ira Sorry Ira, I am not clear about this. When the re-ordering takes place those standard events without a date get attached to the event that used to preceed it before re-ordering ?? Therefore the way the re-ordering takes place would not allow for you to set the order for events, such as Birth, Marriage, Death, Burial?? In my instance say I have the following in my Individuals Standard Events: Birth 1900, Marriage (no date), Death 1950, Burial 1951. After sorting the order ends up Birth 1900, Death 1950, Burial 1951, Marriage (no date). My idea would be to have a set up where you can re-order the entire databases Individual Events in an order you stipulate. ie: Birth, Baptism, Confirmation, Marriage, Divorce, Death, Burial, so that whatever the dates .. the order will always be logical. Many thanks Hugo

Thanks Ira .. that is sorted !! Hugo | >I do not know if it is related but only half the ancestral tree shows up in | >the 6 generation section. Could be something to do with font size ?? | | This is due to Windows Display Properties for your monitor. You can go | Option menu - Program Configuration and first tab reset the Number of | Generations in Ancestral Tree to be 5 instead of 6. You can only view 6 if | you change your Display properties (which is only good if you have a large | monitor). If you want to change this to be able to view all 6 generations | then do a right mouse click on your Desktop and go to Properties, then | Settings Tab. In "Screen Area" you need to make it 1024x768 or higher. But | this will make all your Windows programs smaller to fit on the available | monitor area. This is why I say you need a large monitor - the print may be | too small. Personally I prefer the 5 generations anyway. Remember that | adding a single generation going from 5 to 6 doubles the number of people | to display. With 5 gen there are 31 people to display. With 6 you now have | 63 people to display - thus it will take twice as long for the data to | load! So I normally work with 5 generations for that reason. | | Ira

Sometimes the rebuild process creates many (6 to 8) copied multiple marriage events for persons with more than one marriage. Was this bug fixed or is it still on the wish list?

Messg recvd !

At 09:53 AM 5/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >hi all: > >If I may, could I ask for the following for the "wish list": > >on the database verification, could it check: > child born after death of mother > child born before either parent is 13 (already checks prior to marriage >date, but not age of parent) > bad dates: e.g., 31 Sep 1943 29 Feb 1905 > >yes: I had all of the above in my database but didn't realize this. Will add to wish list. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

If I understand you correctly, you could add a TARGET="_top" in the link with the icon to the index-page. This will make sure that you allways get a whole page after clicking on an icon... This will however require that you edit all your familyxxx-pages. If you like javascript (and can live with the fact that some people use browsers that can not (or with users that disable it) use javascript) it is possible to check if your page is loaded within another page (and hence "break out" of this recursive frame-stuff if necesarry) Hope this helps! Regards, Per Harald Jonson At 22:17 10-05-01 +1000, you wrote: >This may be a little off-topic but I hope not too much, and since traffic has been a little light lately I thought I might get away with it! >I am in the process of trying to put my database on the web but I am a novice in the world of HTML although I was reasonably proficient in the use of Applesoft Basic back in my Apple //e days. >I have a problem, a problem of my own making I hasten to add. Two of my own deliberate actions have created the impasse I face. > >1. To the standard web site created by version 3.06 I have added a two page introduction. I prepared this in the Lotus Freelance Graphics presentation program and it takes this programs standard format of a 2-frame page style, a 21% "Table of Contents" on the left and the 79% main on the right. >2. I have made some substantial alterations to the HTML source code for the "fam000xx" pages, one of which was to give each page a more meaningful title e.g. "Family of Alan & Diane PLATO". On consideration I came to realise that I had thereby made it possible for search engines to find any such page directly so I added an icon with a link to the introductory page to each. > >The problem? A "fam000xx" page opened directly occupies the full screen and when the link on such a page is activated the viewer is taken to the 2-frame introductory page as expected. so far so good. However, when the same page is accessed from the Table of Contents on the introductory page it occupies only 79% of the screen but has the same link on it which when activated now adds a second Table of Contents frame being 21% of the original main frame which as a result becomes much narrower. > >In my old basic days I'm sure the old faithful if-then-else statement would have enabled me to either; >a. hide or reveal the link icon, or >b. 're-target' the link >depending on how the viewer had got to the page; but I don't seem to be able to find a way to bend HTML to my will in the same way. >Are there any experts out there who could gently point me in the right direction? Any help at all would be very much appreciated. >Thank you for your tolerance. >Alan Plato > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) >Subject: unsubscribe >In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

This may be a little off-topic but I hope not too much, and since traffic has been a little light lately I thought I might get away with it! I am in the process of trying to put my database on the web but I am a novice in the world of HTML although I was reasonably proficient in the use of Applesoft Basic back in my Apple //e days. I have a problem, a problem of my own making I hasten to add. Two of my own deliberate actions have created the impasse I face. 1. To the standard web site created by version 3.06 I have added a two page introduction. I prepared this in the Lotus Freelance Graphics presentation program and it takes this programs standard format of a 2-frame page style, a 21% "Table of Contents" on the left and the 79% main on the right. 2. I have made some substantial alterations to the HTML source code for the "fam000xx" pages, one of which was to give each page a more meaningful title e.g. "Family of Alan & Diane PLATO". On consideration I came to realise that I had thereby made it possible for search engines to find any such page directly so I added an icon with a link to the introductory page to each. The problem? A "fam000xx" page opened directly occupies the full screen and when the link on such a page is activated the viewer is taken to the 2-frame introductory page as expected. so far so good. However, when the same page is accessed from the Table of Contents on the introductory page it occupies only 79% of the screen but has the same link on it which when activated now adds a second Table of Contents frame being 21% of the original main frame which as a result becomes much narrower. In my old basic days I'm sure the old faithful if-then-else statement would have enabled me to either; a. hide or reveal the link icon, or b. 're-target' the link depending on how the viewer had got to the page; but I don't seem to be able to find a way to bend HTML to my will in the same way. Are there any experts out there who could gently point me in the right direction? Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Thank you for your tolerance. Alan Plato

I think the problem relates to the specific entry field that Hugo is using. When entering at the event level a new place name directly in the Edit Event Place field, it provides a scrolling text entry box that certainly can handle a lot of characters, I guess the 250 Ira has stated. However, if an entry is made through the Add place name button on the Select Place Name screen called by the Place button on the Edit Event screen, this is a fixed two line entry field. Depending on the combination of upper and lower case characters, a user will be only able to enter about 100 characters. The same result happens when called from the Edit Place Name screen called from the main drop down menu Place name Editor (or Ctrl+P shortcut). Ian Fettes Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Replyto:[email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugo Slater" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 19:25 Subject: Re: [CFTW] Place name editing > Ira > > Sorry to persist with this .. maybe someone else has some ideas. I have the > program on a laptop and the edit function is fine but not on my pc, which > would suggest it is not a Cumberland prob. I was also having a problem with > the icon names in Cumberland being cut off but have solved that by changing > the font size on windows .. but the edit function is still a problem .. it > gets to the end of the first line and makes the alarm bell noise. Even with > long names it only displays the first line and then the cursor disappears > !.. I have re-installed, rebuilt etc .. no joy .. > > I do not know if it is related but only half the ancestral tree shows up in > the 6 generation section. Could be something to do with font size ?? > > It is not major .. just annoying .... would appreciate any ideas. > > Many thanks > > Hugo > > | >| In the "Place" Editor .. if the place name is more than 51 spaces long > ie. > | >| the width of the box, it stops. I am getting round this by putting the > | >| proper length place name into an individual's details and merging them > but > | >| it is very long winded. > | >| > | >| Is there a way of allowing longer names into the Edit box ? > | > | Sorry, but I do not know what you are speaking of. The place name field > | allows up to 250 characters. So I don't understand why you are seeing it > | stop after only 51 characters. > | > | Ira > | > | ------------------------------------------------ > | Mr. Ira J. Lund > | E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > | > | Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > | > | > | ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > | You can contact the List Manager at: > | [email protected] > | > | ============================== > | Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > | learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > | http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

hi all: If I may, could I ask for the following for the "wish list": on the database verification, could it check: child born after death of mother child born before either parent is 13 (already checks prior to marriage date, but not age of parent) bad dates: e.g., 31 Sep 1943 29 Feb 1905 yes: I had all of the above in my database but didn't realize this. Karen Pastuzyn

>I do not know if it is related but only half the ancestral tree shows up in >the 6 generation section. Could be something to do with font size ?? This is due to Windows Display Properties for your monitor. You can go Option menu - Program Configuration and first tab reset the Number of Generations in Ancestral Tree to be 5 instead of 6. You can only view 6 if you change your Display properties (which is only good if you have a large monitor). If you want to change this to be able to view all 6 generations then do a right mouse click on your Desktop and go to Properties, then Settings Tab. In "Screen Area" you need to make it 1024x768 or higher. But this will make all your Windows programs smaller to fit on the available monitor area. This is why I say you need a large monitor - the print may be too small. Personally I prefer the 5 generations anyway. Remember that adding a single generation going from 5 to 6 doubles the number of people to display. With 5 gen there are 31 people to display. With 6 you now have 63 people to display - thus it will take twice as long for the data to load! So I normally work with 5 generations for that reason. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>I have been having a continuing problem with the CFT-Std Event: PHON, >which adds an individual telephone number. The event is constructed >as follows: %N had a telephone number m{of}: %M. > >The story prints as follows: > >Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of 718 229-XXXX Francine XXXXX >had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had a telephone number >of %M %P Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine >XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had > >I have run ReBuild numerous times to no avail and have even reloaded >CFT-win several times. I have had no problems with other events. I >currently run CFT 3.07. You are saying that it shows XXXX's all over the place? No that's not what you mean. The person's name is "Francine XXXXX" and phone number is "718 229-XXXX". What you refer to is the repeating of the sentence several times with only the first being correct. I just tested that myself and it does the same thing to me. SO I say it is a BUG! I will have to fix this. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 08:00 PM 5/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >I think the problem relates to the specific entry field that Hugo is using. > >When entering at the event level a new place name directly in the Edit Event >Place field, it provides a scrolling text entry box that certainly can >handle a lot of characters, I guess the 250 Ira has stated. > >However, if an entry is made through the Add place name button on the Select >Place Name screen called by the Place button on the Edit Event screen, this >is a fixed two line entry field. Depending on the combination of upper and >lower case characters, a user will be only able to enter about 100 >characters. The same result happens when called from the Edit Place Name >screen called from the main drop down menu Place name Editor (or Ctrl+P >shortcut). I know that internally the database is set to hold a max of 250 characters. But yes, I now see that because the vertical scroll bars on the right are not there it won't let you go beyond two lines. Perhaps in Hugo's case if he is using all CAPS this makes for the 51 characters max he can enter. I will have to fix the Place Name Editor and adding a scroll bar should help this out. Thansk for the tip on this. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

At 07:09 PM 5/9/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi there Ira > >Had a thought the other day when I was doing a rebuild of my database. There >is a tck box there that says re-order the events in date order .. which is >fine. But when you do not have a marriage date, say, it then sends this to >the bottom of the data on that person. Would it be possible to either have >as an alternate or instead "Restructue in standard event order"? This way >you could set up your standard events in the order you would like and Birth >would come before Baptisms, Marriage before Death ( though for some it may >be the same event !) etc ... So when you did a restructure all your events >would be in a logical order. Actually the way it really works is that events without dates get "attached" to the event just preceding it, so that as the unknown date is sorted it floats with the preceding event. With few events it may be difficult to see this pattern. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

To Ira and the List: I have been having a continuing problem with the CFT-Std Event: PHON, which adds an individual telephone number. The event is constructed as follows: %N had a telephone number m{of}: %M. The story prints as follows: Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of 718 229-XXXX Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had a telephone number of %M %P Francine XXXXX had I have run ReBuild numerous times to no avail and have even reloaded CFT-win several times. I have had no problems with other events. I currently run CFT 3.07. Thoughts and suggestions? Steven J. Frome Glen Cove, New York E-Mail: [email protected] or [email protected] Web: www.SFrome.homestead.com