>I wonder if you can give us an idea when the next version of CFTW3 will be >out? I am particularly keen to have the bug where dead people's full >information is not consistently displayed (see my email 29/3/2001 - except >the latest version does show all Phillip A BOOTH's details, but (e.g.) >Herbert George SLEE's details do not appear).. Since the release of 3.07 I have been in a rather busy period and I have no date set for 3.08 release. It might be a few months. Just very busy. Sorry, Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

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Hej Ira Thank you for your offer to convert the data files. I will look at them this evening and see what I can do. Regards Bill ********************************************************* * Bill Stevenson * Incorporated Urban Planner * Research Librarian/Map Librarian * Aalborg University Library * Postbox 8220 * DK-9220 AALBORG * Denmark * E-mail: [email protected] * Telephone: (+45) 9635 9384 * Telefax: (+45) 9815 3844 * URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2271 ********************************************************* We are drowning in information, while thirsting for wisdom This message was transmitted using information enriched recyclable electrons ****************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira J Lund [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: 9. august 2001 13.12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CFTW] > > Can you ZIP the .dat files and send to me and I will convert to the > lateste > version and send back to you. > > Ira > > > At 09:14 AM 8/9/01 +0200, you wrote: > >I downloaded ctree 3.2 trial version in 1995 and keyed in my available > >family data (approx. 300 persons). I found this DOS program very good and > >decided to buy a licence. Unfortunately, owing to a number of close > family > >bereavements within a very short time in 1995 my interest was interrupted > >and the program and its files lay unused and I never ordered the licence. > >Now, I wish to start again but many of my original paper sources have > >disappeared, leaving my only complete sources in the ctree 3.2 trial > >version. I would like to purchace a ctree or CFT licence, but I want to > be > >sure that the new program can re-use the datafiles from the old ctree 3.2 > >trial version. Is this possible or are there any problems? > > > >********************************************************* > > * Bill Stevenson > > * Incorporated Urban Planner > > * Research Librarian/Map Librarian > > * Aalborg University Library > > * Postbox 8220 > > * DK-9220 AALBORG > > * Denmark > > > > * E-mail: [email protected] > > * Telephone: (+45) 9635 9384 > > * Telefax: (+45) 9815 3844 > > * URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2271 > > > > ********************************************************* > > We are drowning in information, while thirsting for wisdom > > This message was transmitted using information enriched recyclable > >electrons > > ****************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > >You can contact the List Manager at: > >[email protected] > > > >============================== > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

I downloaded ctree 3.2 trial version in 1995 and keyed in my available family data (approx. 300 persons). I found this DOS program very good and decided to buy a licence. Unfortunately, owing to a number of close family bereavements within a very short time in 1995 my interest was interrupted and the program and its files lay unused and I never ordered the licence. Now, I wish to start again but many of my original paper sources have disappeared, leaving my only complete sources in the ctree 3.2 trial version. I would like to purchace a ctree or CFT licence, but I want to be sure that the new program can re-use the datafiles from the old ctree 3.2 trial version. Is this possible or are there any problems? ********************************************************* * Bill Stevenson * Incorporated Urban Planner * Research Librarian/Map Librarian * Aalborg University Library * Postbox 8220 * DK-9220 AALBORG * Denmark * E-mail: [email protected] * Telephone: (+45) 9635 9384 * Telefax: (+45) 9815 3844 * URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2271 ********************************************************* We are drowning in information, while thirsting for wisdom This message was transmitted using information enriched recyclable electrons ******************************************************************

Can you ZIP the .dat files and send to me and I will convert to the lateste version and send back to you. Ira At 09:14 AM 8/9/01 +0200, you wrote: >I downloaded ctree 3.2 trial version in 1995 and keyed in my available >family data (approx. 300 persons). I found this DOS program very good and >decided to buy a licence. Unfortunately, owing to a number of close family >bereavements within a very short time in 1995 my interest was interrupted >and the program and its files lay unused and I never ordered the licence. >Now, I wish to start again but many of my original paper sources have >disappeared, leaving my only complete sources in the ctree 3.2 trial >version. I would like to purchace a ctree or CFT licence, but I want to be >sure that the new program can re-use the datafiles from the old ctree 3.2 >trial version. Is this possible or are there any problems? > >********************************************************* > * Bill Stevenson > * Incorporated Urban Planner > * Research Librarian/Map Librarian > * Aalborg University Library > * Postbox 8220 > * DK-9220 AALBORG > * Denmark > > * E-mail: [email protected] > * Telephone: (+45) 9635 9384 > * Telefax: (+45) 9815 3844 > * URL: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2271 > > ********************************************************* > We are drowning in information, while thirsting for wisdom > This message was transmitted using information enriched recyclable >electrons > ****************************************************************** > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Ira, I have not knowingly deleated any languges nor edited the file youi mentioned. A reinstall of these may be the answer - let you know. Thanks for the response. Phil Roberts

>Same thing happened to me when I upgraded from 3.06 to 3.07. > >If I'm right it was the English that caused the errors (one for each label). The >South African and Dutch labels went allright, if I remember well. But in the end >I was left with not a single English labels left. > >Only way to get around it was excluding the languages from the update. Would this >harm the update in any way? My suggestion has always been not to delete any languages when prompted to do so. It takes time for the program to go through every record of all the word lists and remove them. I would suspect that deleting any language is more of a cause of problems mentioned than leaving everything alone. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

>Every time I close a database I get the following: > >Word Not Found in Language File Word Code: 0 >Abort or Ignore > >Choosing Ignore generates same message for eternity; >Choosing Abort has the expected results. > >This problem is of recent onset and is not associated with >the closing of any particular database(s). Scan Disk and McAffee antivirus >return negative results. Corrupt language.tps or ucc.tps file. Possibly caused by deleting some languages that you might have needed or editing and deleting things in the Language Editor? Maybe a reinstall would take care of this. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Hi, A similar thing happened to me in 3.07! I reindexed and after that, one of my descendants lists had lost 400 of its 1250 individuals. It appeared one of the couples had lost their 5 generations of offspring. So I had to reconnect them to their 11 children again manually. Luckily the offspring were so many and I knew what I had before! So, this is not really an old version problem, I would suspect... Cheers, Aida. Ira J Lund wrote: > >I have here a database which grew up to around 4800 individuals.... From > >time to time, I have problems when either making "big" imports (GEDCOM > >imports) or connecting two existing individuals. > > > >For instance, if I want to "marry" two existing individuals by using the > >standard method for doing so (+Conn/Connect a Spouse), both individuals get > >a new "marriage" '1/1 on the left of their name), but they are not shown > >together. > > > >I can add a marriage event to both, but no story shows up then.... > > > >If I make an index rebuild, individuals are disconnected > >again.....(sometimes this has corrected the problem, though). Then, the only > >way to connect them is by adding a new spouse to one of them and then merge > >this new individual with the real spouse.... > > > >On the other hand, I sometimes find couples who have "lost" their children > >(I make index rebuild quite often, thus cannot tell when it really happened). > > > > First suggestion is to check the Version you have. I am uncertain whether > you are using Ver 2 or 3. My guess is 3. Check Help About and see if it > says 3.06. I forgot to increment 3.07 and t might be 3.07. Check the date > on files. Most should be Mar 27, 2001. This would be Ver 3.07. > > If you have earlier version, I suggest upgrading. Since you are doing the > rebuild regularly, my guess is you have an earlier version that has some bug. > > Ira > > ------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Ira J. Lund > E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com > > Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043 > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hi, Same thing happened to me when I upgraded from 3.06 to 3.07. If I'm right it was the English that caused the errors (one for each label). The South African and Dutch labels went allright, if I remember well. But in the end I was left with not a single English labels left. Only way to get around it was excluding the languages from the update. Would this harm the update in any way? Cheers, Aida. [email protected] wrote: > Greeting, > > I usually lurk on the list as I find it very imformative. I hate to introduce > myself with a problem but need some assistance. I am using: > > CFT 3.07 - re-downloaded and installed the upgrade to be sure > Win 98 (4.10 1998) > Aptiva Pentium with plenty of ram and hard drive. > > Every time I close a database I get the following: > > Word Not Found in Language File Word Code: 0 > Abort or Ignore > > Choosing Ignore generates same message for eternity; > Choosing Abort has the expected results. > > This problem is of recent onset and is not associated with > the closing of any particular database(s). Scan Disk and McAffee antivirus > return negative results. > > Any suggestions / resolution appreciated. As a side note I would like to say > that I thought CFT 2 was great but find CFT 3 even better. Keep up the good > work. > > Phil Roberts > > ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] (for individual messages) > [email protected] (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

At 11:08 PM 8/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings everyone, >I'm still using version 2.32x for windows 95. I had not done much with my >data for several years but this past month I have been working on it a lot. I >have been reluctant to upgrade because I prefer to enter blanks in my >reports, such as the story report. This allows family members to see just >which information is lacking and also gives them the opportunity to suppply >some of it. I use "_______?" for a missing name (first last and middle), >"_____ / _____ Co / St __ / Country _________" for a missing place, "site >_______________" for a missing misc, and "__-___-____" for missing dates. I >am afraid I will lose the blanks "__-___-____" for filling in the dates if I >upgrade. Is there any way I can upgrade and retain all these blanks -- >especially the blanks for dates? Blanks for dates can be placed in the Free Format data field, but they won't automatically get transfered from Ver 2 to 3. You will have to manually enter them all. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Greeting, I usually lurk on the list as I find it very imformative. I hate to introduce myself with a problem but need some assistance. I am using: CFT 3.07 - re-downloaded and installed the upgrade to be sure Win 98 (4.10 1998) Aptiva Pentium with plenty of ram and hard drive. Every time I close a database I get the following: Word Not Found in Language File Word Code: 0 Abort or Ignore Choosing Ignore generates same message for eternity; Choosing Abort has the expected results. This problem is of recent onset and is not associated with the closing of any particular database(s). Scan Disk and McAffee antivirus return negative results. Any suggestions / resolution appreciated. As a side note I would like to say that I thought CFT 2 was great but find CFT 3 even better. Keep up the good work. Phil Roberts

Greetings everyone, I'm still using version 2.32x for windows 95. I had not done much with my data for several years but this past month I have been working on it a lot. I have been reluctant to upgrade because I prefer to enter blanks in my reports, such as the story report. This allows family members to see just which information is lacking and also gives them the opportunity to suppply some of it. I use "_______?" for a missing name (first last and middle), "_____ / _____ Co / St __ / Country _________" for a missing place, "site _______________" for a missing misc, and "__-___-____" for missing dates. I am afraid I will lose the blanks "__-___-____" for filling in the dates if I upgrade. Is there any way I can upgrade and retain all these blanks -- especially the blanks for dates? Cheryl (Cheryl Trapp Boyd) <A HREF="http://www.fototime.com/inv/F02A9FA052C2B76">http://www.fototime.com/inv/F02A9FA052C2B76</A>

>I have here a database which grew up to around 4800 individuals.... From >time to time, I have problems when either making "big" imports (GEDCOM >imports) or connecting two existing individuals. > >For instance, if I want to "marry" two existing individuals by using the >standard method for doing so (+Conn/Connect a Spouse), both individuals get >a new "marriage" '1/1 on the left of their name), but they are not shown >together. > >I can add a marriage event to both, but no story shows up then.... > >If I make an index rebuild, individuals are disconnected >again.....(sometimes this has corrected the problem, though). Then, the only >way to connect them is by adding a new spouse to one of them and then merge >this new individual with the real spouse.... > >On the other hand, I sometimes find couples who have "lost" their children >(I make index rebuild quite often, thus cannot tell when it really happened). > First suggestion is to check the Version you have. I am uncertain whether you are using Ver 2 or 3. My guess is 3. Check Help About and see if it says 3.06. I forgot to increment 3.07 and t might be 3.07. Check the date on files. Most should be Mar 27, 2001. This would be Ver 3.07. If you have earlier version, I suggest upgrading. Since you are doing the rebuild regularly, my guess is you have an earlier version that has some bug. Ira ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

Hello Ira and others, I have here a database which grew up to around 4800 individuals.... From time to time, I have problems when either making "big" imports (GEDCOM imports) or connecting two existing individuals. For instance, if I want to "marry" two existing individuals by using the standard method for doing so (+Conn/Connect a Spouse), both individuals get a new "marriage" '1/1 on the left of their name), but they are not shown together. I can add a marriage event to both, but no story shows up then.... If I make an index rebuild, individuals are disconnected again.....(sometimes this has corrected the problem, though). Then, the only way to connect them is by adding a new spouse to one of them and then merge this new individual with the real spouse.... On the other hand, I sometimes find couples who have "lost" their children (I make index rebuild quite often, thus cannot tell when it really happened). What can I do? Do you, Ira, have additionnal tools for checking database integrity (and should then I send you a zipped versionof my database?) What if I make a full GEDCOM export then import? What would I lose then? --

To one and all, I got hit by a trojan Virus named SIRCAM.A which more than likely sent you a file attachment from my computer with this same virus added on. Please delete any maîl from me since July 26th 2001. For more information about the virus, including instructions on how to remove it, take a look at this page ~ [http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ_SIRCAM. A] ~ on the Trend Micro website. The Trend Micro site also has a *free* online virus checker which can scan and clean your machine of viruses: [http://www.antivirus.com/free_tools/] I am sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused you. Yours Peter G. Chapuisat

I have recieved several e-mails with this virus BEFORE I knew it was a virus. But luckily I am always suspect of any unsolicted attachments and never run them - even if from a friend or relative unless I am certain by the wording of the message that it is safe. So a warning, do not click on the attachment, but rather use Windows Explorer to find and delete it. The text of one of the messages I recieved: Subject: New Word Pad Document Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks New WordPad Document.doc.com > Here is some information on the SirCam Virus. Our virus protection is > cleaning these attachments, but please be aware of this and delete any > suspicious e-mail. Several Clarksville users have already received this > virus, but no damage has been done. > > > Security experts warned Friday of a fast-spreading new worm that could > delete files and fill up the hard drives of infected computers. > > The worm, "W32.Sircam" or "SirCam," arrives attached to an e-mail message > with a randomly chosen subject line, according to a report prepared by the > AntiVirus Research Center of software maker Symantec. > > Virus Characteristics: > This mass-mailing virus attempts to send itself and local documents to all > users found in the Windows Address Book and email addresses found in > temporary Internet cached files (web browser cache). > > It may be received in an email message containing the following > information: > Subject: [filename (random)] > Body: Hi! How are you? > I send you this file in order to have your advice > or I hope you can help me with this file that I send > or I hope you like the file that I sendo you > or This is the file with the information that you ask for > > See you later. Thanks > > --- the same message may be received in Spanish --- > > Hola como estas ? > Te mando este archivo para que me des tu punto de vista > or Espero me puedas ayudar con el archivo que te mando > or Espero te guste este archivo que te mando > or Este es el archivo con la informaciþlue me pediste > Nos vemos pronto, gracias. > > --- end message --- > Attached will be a document with a double extension (the filename varies). > The first extension will be the file type which was prepended by the > virus. When run, the document will be saved to the C:\RECYCLED folder and > then opened while the virus copies itself to C:\RECYCLED\SirC32.exe folder > to conceal its presence and creates the following registry key value to > load itself whenever .EXE files are executed: > HKCR\exefile\shell\open\command > \Default="C:\recycled\SirC32.exe" "%1" %* > As the RECYCLE BIN is often on the exclusion list, check your settings to > insure that this directory IS being scanned. > It also copies itself to the WINDOWS SYSTEM directory as SCam32.exe and > creates the following registry key value to load itself automatically: > HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ > RunServices\Driver32=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SCam32.exe > > A list of .GIF, .JPG, .JPEG, .MPEG, .MOV, .MPG, .PDF, .PNG, .PS, and .ZIP > files in the MY DOCUMENTS folder is saved to the file SCD.DLL (the 2nd > character of the name appears to be random) in the SYSTEM directory. Email > addresses are gathered from the Windows Address Book and temporary > Internet cached pages and saved to the file SCD1.DLL (the 2nd and 3rd > character of the name appears to be random) in the SYSTEM directory. > > The worm prepends a copy of the files that are named in the SCD.DLL file > and attaches this copy to the email messages that it sends via a built in > SMTP server, using one of the following extensions: .BAT, .COM, .EXE, > .LNK, .PIF. This results in attachment names having double-extensions. > The program creates a registry key to store variables for itself (such as > a run count, and SMTP information): > HKLM\Software\Sircam ------------------------------------------------ Mr. Ira J. Lund E-mail: [email protected] Web: http://www.cf-software.com Cumberland Family Software, 385 Idaho Springs Road, Clarksville TN 37043

I created an entry for an individual named Pere Inconnu [father unknown] and linked that person as a spouse. Mike At 13:32 22/07/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, > >Can anyone tell me how to add a child born out of wedlock ? I already >have the mother's two later marriages, but yesterday I found a child >born before she got married. How can I put this in without the child >being credited to one of the husbands ? > >Thanks ! > >Sandra Muys > >-- >**************************************************************************** > >SIGNS THAT YOU'VE HAD TOO MUCH OF THE '90'S... >Your reason for not staying in touch with your family is that they don't >have an e-mail address. > >Sandra Muijs en Edwin Hamelink, Terneuzen, The Netherlands >Edwin's Web Page: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ehamelink >My Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/4293/ >e-mail to Edwin: [email protected] >e-mail to Me: [email protected] >ICQ# Edwin: 4719097 >ICQ# Sandra: 8970316 >**************************************************************************** > > > > >==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== >You can contact the List Manager at: >[email protected] > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

This is how I do this, but there may be a more correct way. You need an extra "No-Spouse Marriage". If you have already attached husband(s), add an extra one without bothering about a name, and select this marriage. Add the child born before the first real marriage and then delete the false husband. You then have a child attached to a No-Spouse Marriage rather than either of the other husbands. WPBW John -- http://www.stmawgan.org.uk ICQ#24559772 [email protected] [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Muijs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CFTW] Adding child born out of Wedlock Hello, Can anyone tell me how to add a child born out of wedlock ? I already have the mother's two later marriages, but yesterday I found a child born before she got married. How can I put this in without the child being credited to one of the husbands ? Thanks ! Sandra Muys -- **************************************************************************** SIGNS THAT YOU'VE HAD TOO MUCH OF THE '90'S... Your reason for not staying in touch with your family is that they don't have an e-mail address. Sandra Muijs en Edwin Hamelink, Terneuzen, The Netherlands Edwin's Web Page: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ehamelink My Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/4293/ e-mail to Edwin: [email protected] e-mail to Me: [email protected] ICQ# Edwin: 4719097 ICQ# Sandra: 8970316 **************************************************************************** ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: [email protected] ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Hello, Can anyone tell me how to add a child born out of wedlock ? I already have the mother's two later marriages, but yesterday I found a child born before she got married. How can I put this in without the child being credited to one of the husbands ? Thanks ! Sandra Muys -- **************************************************************************** SIGNS THAT YOU'VE HAD TOO MUCH OF THE '90'S... Your reason for not staying in touch with your family is that they don't have an e-mail address. Sandra Muijs en Edwin Hamelink, Terneuzen, The Netherlands Edwin's Web Page: http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ehamelink My Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/4293/ e-mail to Edwin: [email protected] e-mail to Me: [email protected] ICQ# Edwin: 4719097 ICQ# Sandra: 8970316 ****************************************************************************