This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Driffill Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/338.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: According to the census, my William Driffill was born in 1834. They may be cousins tho'....I have no proof.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CY.2ADI/338.3.1.1 Message Board Post: My Joseph Driffill's father was named William and he named his son William. Joseph had a brother, Wm born in 1821 in England.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glidewell, Garrett, Chesnut, Doran, Robberson, Terry, Harrington Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CY.2ADI/45.1 Message Board Post: My brothers had friends who were from the Grace family. Don't know if this might be connected, but, part of the family moved to Sacramento. Might try that area?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: lapeyre and dumortier Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/351 Message Board Post: information regarding lapeyre family, tierra rejada area and dumortier thousand oaks -moorpark area

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CY.2ADI/338.3.1 Message Board Post: Their father's name was William H. Driffill and according to the census records..... In the 1880 Fed census, Rochester, Monroe, NY, William is born in England and both parents were too. He listed his occupation as a cartman. In the 1888-89 Rochester City Directory, William is working at 17 N. Water and living at 35 South Ave. In the 1889-90 Directory he is working at 156 S. St. Paul Street.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Driffill, Messenger Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CY.2ADI/338.3 Message Board Post: Do you know the name of James and Gerry's father from England? My Joseph Driffill came from Laxton, England abt 1840 to NY.

Try these: http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi 1940-1997 http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeygen.htm 1940-2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathryn hamby" <kathy556@msn.com> To: <CAVENTUR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: [CAVentura] ALLEN MCDONALD > Hello! I am researching ALLEN J MCDONALD he was born Sep 4, 1924 in York, PA and died Jan 16, 1996 in Ventura CA. > He apparently stayed out in CA since about 1942 when he was in the Navy. > Is there any death records online to check to see if he had any family out there? > Thank you > Kathy > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello! I am researching ALLEN J MCDONALD he was born Sep 4, 1924 in York, PA and died Jan 16, 1996 in Ventura CA. He apparently stayed out in CA since about 1942 when he was in the Navy. Is there any death records online to check to see if he had any family out there? Thank you Kathy

Greetings, I received a query this morning asking why I had posted my most recent message (about the idea of grazing sheep in Pacheco Cemetery as a method to clearing the grounds) to a certain county's list. With the thought that others might have the same question, it occurred to me I should share the following thought. The genealogy mailing lists provide a good way to communicate what is occurring to our precious and valuable historic cemeteries in California. California Saving Graves (CSG) is working very hard to try to bring some respect and protection to these places, many of which are presently endangered or are to a point where abuse and neglect are threatening their very removal. The information contained on gravestones in these cemeteries are invaluable genealogical research tools. The value of the information that the people now "residing" in our California cemeteries is priceless and irreplaceable. Many rest within them for which no marker locates the grave and descendants are left to wonder what happen to them. It is a strangely unique feeling to go to a cemetery to encounter the gravestone of an ancestor for the first time. That feeling is akin to tying the knot that binds us with that ancestor. The gravestone may be the only tangible proof of an ancestor's very existence. Oftentimes cemeteries are the only true links the past many will acquire. In including the genealogy mailing lists, CSG is hoping to engender support for others with cemetery problems. The more people that politicians and lawmakers know are watching these situations, the better the chances are to get them to make the right moves to assist those cemeteries in jeopardy. The Internet and Email gives we, the people, more power to observe and participate in events that affect us in our daily lives and to let our presence and voice be known. We hope you will not only agree that knowing what is going on at the historic cemeteries within California is a valuable service, but will appreciate the chance to be a part of the "cure." In closing, the legal title to the vast majority of the historic cemeteries of our state's earliest communities vested in the public through operation of an 1872 statute known as Political Code Section 3105; excluding, of course, those belonging to religious entities and fraternal associations by recorded deeds. We the people (the public) have the right to defend our title to those places so they do not become abused by counties which ignore the public's legal interest or allow them to fall prey to private cemetery corporations which will undoubtedly (as already has happened many times) take advantage of the fact there are no historic records or maps of all of the burials, especially the unmarked older graves. In those instances, old used graves are being resold for current and future use. We hope you will agree. Sincerely, Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/ A 4th Generation Californian with roots (and ancestors buried) in: Alameda (Oakland), Amador (Drytown, Forest Home, Jackson), Contra Costa (Pacheco), El Dorado (Drytown, Pilot Hill), Imperial (Brawley, Calexico, El Centro) Los Angeles (Burbank), Riverside (Fontana), Sacramento (Sacramento City), San Bernardino (San Bernardino City), San Diego (Pt. Loma, Penasquitos, Escondido), San Francisco (City), and Sutter (Pleasant Grove) counties.

Re: Pacheco Cemetery, Contra Costa County, CA This message was sent out to the Friends of Pacheco Cemetery which has been trying to persuade the Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors that the public acquired title to this cemetery through operation of law. The supervisors refuse to claim the public's legal interest. (For more info, go to: www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/Pacheco_Cem.htm. ) A new "owner" just took "possession" of the public's cemetery last week. The following message is meant to query responses to the subject question.... I'm sure Ms. Williams would like to hear from others as to the appropriateness of grazing sheep in a nearly destroyed historic California cemetery. Please send your comments to her at Kiwimam8@cs.com. She will pass them on to the new "owner." Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Sheep in the Cemetery? Members..... Mr. Bianco has asked for our input on an idea to "rent" sheep for a time and have them dig out and eat the weeds. It would mean the cemeery would have to be locked for that timeframe, not sure how long, a few weeks? maybe. I told him I'd send the idea out for reaction and get back to him. Let me know, please. Christine

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WADE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/89.94.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much for that phone #. I've had to put some of my research on hold, but documented the phone # for reference & added it to my notes as well. Thank you again! Sincerely, Valerie Reynolds

Greetings, As the new State Coordinator, I have recently been working on updating the California Saving Graves website. We hope you will visit the site and take a look at what information is available there. The URL is http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/. The ENDANGERED CEMETERY REPORTS have been updated to include two new cemetery reports - PACHECO CEMETERY (Contra Costa County) and HOPETON CEMETERY (Merced County). Of particular interest are the events surrounding the Pacheco Cemetery. This pathetic historic cemetery has been bounced around under private ownership since it was "shed" by the IOOF in the early 1970s. Since 1998, when the owner at that time was ordered out of the cemetery business by the State of California, this cemetery has been left abandoned by the County and the State. The Friends of Pacheco Cemetery performed outstanding research that we believe proves the public acquired legal title to this cemetery through operation of law (former Political Code section 3105). Despite this, the board of supervisors of Contra Costa County has chosen to default in their duty to the public by refusing to claim the public's legal title to this cemetery. This will be an interesting case to follow. Be sure to check the link, More about Pacheco Cemetery. We would like you to let Contra Costa County know that California will be watching as they stand by and let this cemetery fall into yet another set of private hands. There are many lessons to be learned through this one cemetery alone. Please contact Christine Williams, spokesperson for Friends of Pacheco Cemetery if you have family or friends interred in this cemetery. Her email address is Kiwimama8@cs.com. For the Hopeton Cemetery in Merced County, we included some history on the area. I have already contacted the supervisor of the district where it is located. Supervisor Deidre Kelsey forwarded my inquiry to the Snelling Cemetery District, but I have heard nothing from the district or the supervisor's office since my original inquiry. It may be that the district has not yet met to take up my request for information about the Hopeton Cemetery. In the days and weeks to come I hope to continue adding to this website. There is a lot of information that will help those interested in historic cemetery protection and preservation and it will take some time to add it all. Please visit the site often to check on it's progress. If you should have any questions about the website, about California Saving Graves or about becoming a County Coordinator for your county, please feel free to contact me. I would also like to thank all the people who have expressed appreciation for my efforts on behalf of our state's historic cemeteries. As I have said to them personally, this is not something I do alone. Your support and response has been extremely helpful and valuable. Together we, as Californian's, CAN make a difference in how the old grave yards and cemeteries of our ancestors are treated. They are irreplaceable historical and cultural resources. They must be protected and preserved for the generations to come. Sincerely, Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves Email: ssilver1951@jps.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/89.94 Message Board Post: Bardsdale Cemetery 1698 South Sespe Street Fillmore 93015 Skillin-Carroll Mortuary is the local mortuary in Fillmore, and may be a helpful contact. (805) 524-0744 Good Luck

Pardon, I have changed my email and wanted to notify friends. I was bird@glasgow-ky.com NOW Maryiola@alltel.com My mail to Stephanie Pendleton in Ventura is bouncing. Where are you???? Mary Harkey Russell maryiola@alltel.net http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

Hello - Thanks to all who sent emails voicing your concerns about Section 9055 that allows public cemetery districts to sell ("convey") a district's cemetery to another cemetery authority. The Chair of the Senate Local Government Committee made some amendments to Sec. 9055 when this bill came before that committee for its vote. The amended text follows this message. We were not successful in having Sec. 9055 deleted or it's predecessor Sec. 8963.5 (Health and Safety Code) repealed. Senator Torlakson's amended text, however, does provide some safeguards; though we would have preferred to see these public cemeteries remain in public hands. We will be watching this bill as it moves through the next processes and will contact you again if there is a need to voice opposition to any future amended language. Thank you all again for responding to the Committee regarding this matter. Sincerely, Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves AMENDED SECTION 9055: 9055. (a) A district may convey a cemetery owned by the district to any cemetery authority, pursuant to this section. (b) The board of trustees of a district that proposes to convey a cemetery owned by the district to a cemetery authority shall adopt a resolution of intention that contains: (1) A description of the cemetery that the district proposes to convey. (2) The name of the cemetery authority to which the district proposes to convey the cemetery. (3) An appendix that reports the cemetery's current assets and current liabilities and contains a reasonable projection of the district's ability to finance the ownership, improvement, expansion, and operation of the cemetery in the future. (4) The terms and conditions of the proposed conveyance. The terms and conditions shall require that the all of the following: (A) The cemetery authority maintain the cemetery as a endowment care cemetery pursuant to Sections 8738 and 8738.1. The terms and conditions shall provide for appropriate consideration. (4) A statement of the facts justifying the proposed conveyance. (B) Appropriate consideration, as determined by the board of trustees. (C) A restriction in the deed that conveys the cemetery to the cemetery authority that will permit the district or another public agency as the district's successor in interest to enter the cemetery and perform any repairs, restoration, or maintenance that the district or its successor deems necessary to protect the public interest, and will require the cemetery authority to reimburse the district or its successor for those costs. (D) Any other terms and conditions that the board of trustees determines to be necessary to protect the public interest in the cemetery. (5) A declaration that the proposed conveyance is in the public interest and in the best interests of the district. (c) The board of trustees shall send its resolution of intention to the board of supervisors of the principal county. (d) Within 60 days of receiving a resolution of intention adopted pursuant to subdivision (b), the board of supervisors shall hold a public hearing on the proposed conveyance. The board of supervisors shall give notice of its hearing by publishing a notice pursuant to Section 6061 6064 of the Government Code in at least one newspaper of general circulation within the jurisdiction of the district with the first day of publication at least 10 30 days before the hearing. The board of supervisors shall post the public notice in at least three public places within the jurisdiction of the district, at least 10 30 days before the hearing. One of the public places shall be at the cemetery that the district proposes to convey, and one of the public places shall be at the offices of the district. In addition, the board of supervisors shall mail the notice at least 10 30 days before the hearing to the district, the cemetery authority, and any other person who has filed written request for notice with the clerk of the board of supervisors. (e) At its hearing, the board of supervisors shall receive and consider any written or oral comments regarding the proposed conveyance of the cemetery. At the conclusion of the hearing, the board of supervisors shall make a finding regarding the value of written protests filed and not withdrawn and take one of the following actions: (1) If the written protests filed and not withdrawn are at least 50 percent of the registered voters of the district or property owners owning at least 50 percent of the assessed value of the land within the district, the board of supervisors shall adopt a resolution that terminates the proceedings to convey the cemetery. (2) If the written protests filed and not withdrawn are less than 50 percent of the registered voters of the district or property owners owning less than 50 percent of the assessed value of the land within the district, the board of supervisors may by a four-fifths vote adopt a resolution that concurs in the conveyance of the cemetery to the cemetery authority. (f) The board of supervisors shall send copies of its resolution adopted pursuant to subdivision (e) to the district and the cemetery authority. (g) If the board of supervisors adopts a resolution that concurs in the proposed conveyance of the cemetery, the board of trustees may order the conveyance of the cemetery to the cemetery authority, subject to the terms and conditions set by the board of trustees and concurred in by the board of supervisors.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CY.2ADI/291.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My pleasure. Let me know if I can help in future. Diana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/291.1.1 Message Board Post: Diana, I learned this Eleanor Oma Wright is not the person I was looking for.....I did find that person. Thank you! Doris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/350 Message Board Post: LUCIA VILLAGRAN GUTIERREZ, was born in Texas. Her father's name was SUSANO VILLAGRAN. He resided in El Paso, Tx. LUCIA VILLAGRAN GUTIERREZ is my mother's first-cousin. Iam working on a family-tree. Please contact me if you are related to LUCIA VILLAGRAN GUTIERREZ's family.

Hello all, I want to thank everyone who has responded to my prior requests to send messages opposing SB 341 because of the effect of Section 9055. The response has been terrific! I was contacted again today by the Committee's consultant, Peter Detwiler. Mr. Detwiler and I discussed this matter a little more, and it became apparent to me that he felt the committee would vote to approve SB 341 as written. He pointed out that the proposed language is superior in placing requirements on the public cemetery district's over that which is presently on the books (Health and Safety Code section 8963.5). He is correct in that assessment. Mr. Detwiler said that if the committee struck the proposed section 9055, that would leave section 8963.5 in place. In a question recently posed to the Working Group and Advisors, Mr. Detwiler asked "Should the Committee Adopt More Reforms?" (related to Section 9055). I have again reviewed the list of potential additional restrictions and believe that if we were to request the Committee to add them, this will be the best we can hope for at this time. They are: 1. Require a district to prepare a public report on the assets and liabilities of the cemetery it proposes to sell. 2. Expand the public notice for the county supervisors' hearing: publish the newspaper notice once a week for four weeks; post the notices for four weeks; and mail individual notices to the owners of the cemetery plots. 3. Require the county supervisors to either turn down the proposed sale or call an election of the district's voters, if the protests reach 25% of either the district's voters or landowners. 4. Increase the county supervisors' approval from a 4/5-vote to a unanimous vote. 5. Require the district to impose a deed restriction on the sale that would allow the district to reassert control if the new owner failed to properly maintain the cemetery. I feel these provisions would help strengthen the proposed section 9055 and place tighter restrictions on district's that might wish to sell (convey) a cemetery to another cemetery authority. With the above five items, I think the district's will be less likely to consider this option in the first place. I am recommending that we change our course at this time and seek the addition of the five items above. If you concur, please cut and paste the following text and send it to Peter Detwiler at Peter.Detwiler@SEN.CA.GOV, also copying me at ssilver1951@jps.net. Should you have any questions, please contact me direct. I will be attending the hearing this coming Wednesday and would be happy to express any additional concerns you might send to me. Thank you for your continuing support on this issue. Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves Email: ssilver1951@jps.net TEXT FOLLOWS: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Honorable Tom Torlakson, Chair Senate Local Government Committee Re: SB 341 - Request for Consideration re: Section 9055 Dear Chair Torlakson and Honorable Committee Members: I understand the Committee's consultant, Peter Detwiler, has formulated additional reforms related to the proposed Section 9055 for the Committee's consideration. I have reviewed the list contained in Mr. Detwiler's memorandum dated March 24, 2003, and believe Detwiler's list would place adequate additional requirements upon the public cemetery district's which might consider selling a district's cemetery. These suggested reforms would help ensure that a district's decision would be adequately reviewed by both the board of supervisors and the residents of the district. Provided the following are added to the proposed Section 9055, I would SUPPORT SB 341: 1. Require a district to prepare a public report on the assets and liabilities of the cemetery it proposes to sell. 2. Expand the public notice for the county supervisors' hearing: publish the newspaper notice once a week for four weeks; post the notices for four weeks; and mail individual notices to the owners of the cemetery plots. 3. Require the county supervisors to either turn down the proposed sale or call an election of the district's voters, if the protests reach 25% of either the district's voters or landowners. 4. Increase the county supervisors' approval from a 4/5-vote to a unanimous vote. 5. Require the district to impose a deed restriction on the sale that would allow the district to reassert control if the new owner failed to properly maintain the cemetery. I hope you will consider adding these items to Section 9055. Respectfully, YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roberts, Posterick, Fedor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CY.2ADI/349 Message Board Post: I'm looking for an orbituary for a Florence (Posterick) Roberts. From what I can find was married to a Dalton Roberts. I'm also looking for an orbit on him and was told he died in CA but am having problems on finding him. Florence was born in Minnesota to a John and Mary (Fedor) Posterick. She lived in Seattle WA for a time. One problem i'm finding is that I've come up with two different birth dates for her. On the National SSDI it says she was born 4-21-1894 but when I go to the California SSDI it says her birth date is 4-21-1904. There is a 10 year difference there. I know it's the same person since both died on the same date 12-10-1979 in Ventura, Ventura Co. CA. and the social security number is the same. :) Any information on Florence or her husband Dalton please let me know. Email me at Annpiotrowski136@hotmail.com