My apologies, Jim Cave. The way that I read the earlier e-mail in this thread was that the tree presented was your family tree. I see now that it is travelback's. However my point was that I have seen a number of web sites that incorrectly state that a John Cave was first married to a Miss Andrews, and second to an Elizabeth Travers, and that by his second wife he had a daughter Mary Cave who married John Echols. However the Elizabeth Travers who married John Cave was born somewhere in the 1680's or 1690's...(since her father was born ca 1662)....so she could not have been the mother of Mary Cave who was born probably ca 1670. That is all. Michael Walker (MDWW65)