I am a desc of Robert Cave whom you list in your message below as the first child of John and Unknown Andrews Cave. On what basis do you make this connection? I am sincerely interested in the ancestry of this Robert Cave. Jim Cave ----- Original Message ----- From: Travelback4u@aol.com To: CAVE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: [CAVE] John Cave thru Benjamin Cave born 1703 Hello My mom's maiden name is Caves, and I am a descendant of John Cave of Virginia. Descendants of John Cave Generation No. 1 1. JOHN1 CAVE was born in Virginia, and died in Stafford Co. Virginia. He married (1) UNKNOWN ANDREWS in King & Queen Virginia. She died in King & Queen Virginia. He married (2) ELIZABETH TRAVERS in Stafford County, Virginia, daughter of GILES TRAVERS and ANN WAUGH. Notes for JOHN CAVE: Notes: From the Cave Genealogy Society Descended from the Cave's of Virginia. Carolyn's ancestry goes back to Henry Cave born 1769 in Carolina County Virginia, who married Miss Smith. We then come to the Benjamin Cave who arrived in Va in 1725, and the question of their origin. Some say England and descended from William Cave of Pickwell, 1637-1713. It is unfortunate that the only recorded children are, Elizabeth (1663), William (1664-1665), mary (1669), Ann (1671), William (1674) and John (1676-1677). My records of Benjamin over this period are: Benjamin of Cold Overton bapt 21Apr1665, son of John (c1638) and Ann; Benjamin of Leicester bapt 22May1698, son of James and Mary. There may be others, I am sure, but they have still to be found. More About JOHN CAVE: Occupation: Carpenter More About JOHN CAVE and UNKNOWN ANDREWS: Marriage: King & Queen Virginia More About JOHN CAVE and ELIZABETH TRAVERS: Marriage: Stafford County, Virginia Children of JOHN CAVE and UNKNOWN ANDREWS are: 2. i. SR. ROBERT2 CAVE, d. 1755, Culpeper Co. Virginia., Deed Bk. D, pp. 62-65;. ii. JOHN CAVE, d. 1. 3. iii. WILLIAM CAVE, d. 2. iv. DAVID CAVE, d. Orange Co. Va.; 2. v. THOMAS CAVE. vi. JOSEPH CAVE. 4. vii. CAPTAIN BENJAMIN CAVE, b. 1703, Virginia; d. 1762, Orange County Virginia. Child of JOHN CAVE and ELIZABETH TRAVERS is: 5. viii. MARY2 CAVE, b. 1650. Generation No. 2 2. SR. ROBERT2 CAVE (JOHN1) died 1755 in Culpeper Co. Virginia., Deed Bk. D, pp. 62-65;. He married MARY. Children of ROBERT CAVE and MARY are: i. JR. ROBERT3 CAVE, m. EAVIS (ENOUS) ?. ii. JOHN CAVE. 6. iii. SR. WILLIAM CAVE, b. Abt. 1738, or abt 1740 in Orange Co. Virginia; d. 1828, Green Co. Kentucky. 3. WILLIAM2 CAVE (JOHN1) died in 2. He married ANNE TRAVERS in 1, daughter of GILES TRAVERS and ? WFE). She was born in 1. More About WILLIAM CAVE and ANNE TRAVERS: Marriage: 1 Children of WILLIAM CAVE and ANNE TRAVERS are: i. JAMES3 CAVE, b. Stafford Co. Virginia.; 2; d. Stafford Co. Virginia.; 2. ii. ELIZABETH CAVE, b. 1. 4. CAPTAIN BENJAMIN2 CAVE (JOHN1) was born 1703 in Virginia, and died 1762 in Orange County Virginia. He married HANNAH BLEDSOE, daughter of WILLIAM BLEDSOE and ANNE. She was born Abt. 1711, and died 1770 in Spotsylvannia Virginia. Notes for CAPTAIN BENJAMIN CAVE: Notes: Served in the House of Burgess in Virginia 1753 - 1761. Was the Justice of Peace in Orange County Virginia, a Commissioners of Peace. In January of 1734, Qualified as Sheriff, Lt. Col. of Colonial Militia of Spotsylvannia County from which Orange County was formed. ID: I2824 Name: Richard Cave Title: (Rev). Sex: M Occupation: Baptist minister Birth: 00 1750 in Virginia Death: 00 1816 in Kentucky Note: >From HISTORY OF KENTUCKY BAPTISTS, by J. H. Spencer, Vol. 2., pages 23-24 [1885]. Note: RICHARD CAVE was one of the pioneer preachers of central Kentucky, and was very useful among the early settlers. He was the son of Captain Benjamin Cave of Orange county, Virginia, where he was born to far from the year 1750. At an early age, he was led to Christ, under the preaching of the famous Samuel Harris and James Read, and united with Upper Spottsylvania church. He was set apart to the ministry, by this church, while he was quite young. After preaching a few years in his native county, he followed Lewis Craig, whose sister he had married, and his brother William Cave, who had moved the fall before, to the wilderness of Kentucky, in 1782. He settled in Garrard county, where he united with Gilbert's Creek church. This was the same church he had first joined, but now, in a new location, and bearing a new name. He remained at Gilbert's Creek some tow years after Lewis Craig, the old pastor, had moved away, and, with George Stokes Smith, supplied the church with the ministry of the word. In the spring of 1785, he moved to Woodford county, where he went into the constitution of Clear Creek church. Here he was associated in the ministry with John Taylor, John Dupuy, James Rucker and, soon afterwards, with John Tanner and the venerable John Sutton. He was regarded as a man of great piety, and was very zealous and useful, especially during a great revival that commenced under his ministry at Clear Creek, in 1800. The church received 326 by baptism, during one year, and was increased to 558 members. This was the most useful period of Mr. Cave's ministry; for not long afterwards, he fell into the pit that has ineffaceably spotted the garments of multitudes of good men. He contracted the habit of drinking too freely. When reproved for this sin, he repented bitterly, and could never again be induced to taste spirituous liquors. His zeal for the cause of Christ was undiminished, but his usefulness was much impaired. Not long before his death, he arose to close the exercise of a meeting he attended, but was overpowered by a flood of tears and compelled to sit down. He died of a protracted diarrhea, in July, 1816. A few days before his departure, he expressed great serenity of soul, and a patient acquiescence in the divine will. He had been a teacher of music and was an excellent singer. A little before his last breath, he sand in a loud voice, the words: -- Note: "O for an overcoming faith To cheer my dying hours; To triumph o'er the monster death, And all its frightful powers." Note: Pastor of Clear Creek Baptist Church 1800. Probate mentions only John, Mary, and Richard Cave. Sketch on Cave in Rev. John Taylor's THOUGHTS ON MISSIONS. His sister, Elizabeth married William Johnson, and they were the parents of Col. Robert Johnson. Richard's parents were Hannah Bledsoe and Benjamin Cave, who was in the House of Burgesses from Orange Co. His will is dated July and was probated in November of 1816. Book E, page 105. Father: Benjamin Cave Mother: Hannah Bledsoe b: CIR ___ 00 1711 Marriage 1 Elizabeth (Betsy) Craig b: 1753 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia Married: in probably Culpepper County, Virginia Children John Cave Mary "Polly" Cave Hannah Cave b: in Culpepper County, Virginia Sally Cave - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ? Reuben Cave b: FEB 23 1829 in Boone County, Kentucky ? Jeremiah Cave b: APR 18 1780 in Virginia ? Richard Cave b: AUG 8 1780 in Orange County, Virginia Notes: Served in the House of Burgess in Virginia 1753 - 1761. Was the Justice of Peace in Orange County Virginia, a Commissioners of Peace. In January of 1734, Qualified as Sheriff, Lt. Col. of Colonial Militia of Spotsylvannia County from which Orange County was formed Notes: Served in the House of Burgess in Virginia 1753 - 1761. Was the Justice of Peace in Orange County Virginia, a Commissioners of Peace. In January of 1734, Qualified as Sheriff, Lt. Col. of Colonial Militia of Spotsylvannia County from which Orange County was formed. Notes Below: From the Cave Family Genealogy Society's Web Page. Descended from Benjamin Cave (1703) of Virginia through two sons, William and Richard. The lines of descent come together through his mother, Sona Cave who married Murl Anderson. This is achieved over seven generations. Rick is the centre of information on the Cave's of Virginia. His Web site features in "Computers and Family History". More About CAPTAIN BENJAMIN CAVE: Burial: Pike Stake Church Cemetery, Virginia Children of BENJAMIN CAVE and HANNAH BLEDSOE are: i. ELIZABETH3 CAVE, b. Abt. 1728, (See notes); d. 1785, Orange County, Virginia; m. ROBERT (ROBIN) JOHNSON, Abt. 1744, Madison County, Virginia; b. 1714, Madison County, Virginia; d. 1765, Orange County, Virginia. Notes for ELIZABETH CAVE: ....... 2 Elizabeth CAVE b: Abt. 1728 d: 1785 in Orange Co., VA ........... +William JOHNSON b: 1714 in Madison Co., VA d: 1765 in Orange Co., VA m: Abt. 1744 in Madison Co., VA ................. 3 [1] Robert (Robin) JOHNSON b: July 17, 1745 d: October 15, 1815 in Warsaw, Gallatin Co., KY ..................... +Jemima SUGGETT b: June 29, 1753 d: February 1814 m: June 1771 in Orange Co., VA ........................... 4 Elizabeth JOHNSON ........................... 4 James JOHNSON ........................... 4 William JOHNSON ........................... 4 Sally JOHNSON ........................... 4 Richard Mentor JOHNSON ............................... +? CHINN ........................... 4 Benjamin JOHNSON ........................... 4 John Telemachus JOHNSON ........................... 4 Henry JOHNSON ................. *2nd Wife of [1] Robert (Robin) JOHNSON: ..................... +Jemima (Fanny) BLEDSOE b: 1798 m: March 19, 1815 in Gallatin Co., KY ................. 3 [2] Hannah JOHNSON b: 1749 d: July 1813 in Scott Co., KY ..................... +Thomas MONTAIGUE m: Abt. 1767 ................. *2nd Husband of [2] Hannah JOHNSON: ..................... +Robert BRADLEY m: Abt. 1779 ................. 3 Benjamin JOHNSON b: May 08, 1751 ................. 3 Mildred JOHNSON b: 1753 ................. 3 Elizabeth Cave JOHNSON b: January 05, 1757 ................. 3 Cave JOHNSON b: November 15, 1760 ................. 3 Sally JOHNSON b: 1762 ................. 3 Valentine JOHNSON b: July 20, 1765 ....... 2 John CAVE b: February 22, 1731/32 d: 1810 in KY ........... +Mildred BELL ................. 3 [3] Rebecca CAVE b: 1775 Burial: Hinkson Baptist Church Cy., Boone Co., MO d: October 26, 1849 in Boone Co., MO ..................... +Frederick BURDETTE m: October 11, 1790 in KY ........................... 4 Mary BURDETTE ................. *2nd Husband of [3] Rebecca CAVE: ..................... +Turner Richardson HADEN m: May 1800 in Scott Co., KY More About ROBERT JOHNSON and ELIZABETH CAVE: Marriage: Abt. 1744, Madison County, Virginia 7. ii. JOHN CAVE, b. 1732, Orange County, Virginia; d. 1810, Scott County, Kentucky. iii. NANCY ANN CAVE, b. 1734, St. Marks Parish, Culpepper County, Virginia; d. Aft. 1808, Woodford County, Kentucky; m. (1) WILLIAM STROTHER; m. (2) PHILEMON KAVANAUGH, June 09, 1775, Orange County, Viriginia; b. Abt. 1732, Virginia; d. Culpepper Virginia. More About PHILEMON KAVANAUGH and NANCY CAVE: Marriage: June 09, 1775, Orange County, Viriginia 8. iv. BENJAMIN CAVE, b. December 20, 1735, Orange County, Virginia; d. March 1882, Orange County, Virginia. 9. v. WILLIAM CAVE, b. 1738, Orange County, Virginia; d. 1804, Boone County, Kentucky. vi. DAVID CAVE, b. Abt. 1742; d. 1792. vii. SARAH CAVE, b. 1745; m. JOHN GULLEY, Aft. 1762. More About JOHN GULLEY and SARAH CAVE: Marriage: Aft. 1762 viii. HANNAH CAVE, b. 1748; d. 1817, Virginia; m. URIEL MALLORY. Notes for HANNAH CAVE: 2 Hannah CAVE b: 1748 d: 1817 in VA ........... +Uriel MALLORY b: 1738 d: 1824 in VA m: 1768 ................. 3 John MALLORY ................. 3 Robert MALLORY ................. 3 James MALLORY ................. 3 Phillip MALLORY ................. 3 Sallie MALLORY ................. 3 Polly MALLORY ................. 3 Susan MALLORY ................. 3 Nancy Ann MALLORY ................. 3 Elizabeth MALLORY 10. ix. REVEREND RICHARD CAVE, b. Abt. 1750, Orange County, Virginia; d. 1816, Kentucky. 5. MARY2 CAVE (JOHN1) was born 1650. She married JOHN ECHOLS, son of JOHN ECHOLS. He was born 1650, and died 1712 in Caroline Co., Virginia. Children of MARY CAVE and JOHN ECHOLS are: 11. i. ANN3 ECHOLS, d. 1746. ii. ELIZABETH ECHOLS, m. WILLIAM MURPHY. iii. ELEANOR MARY ECHOLS, b. 1676; m. NICHOLAS GILLINGTON/GILLENTINE. iv. JOHN ECHOLS, b. 1698. v. ABRAHAM ECHOLS, b. 1700; d. 1749, Lunenberg Co., VA; m. SARAH HUBBARD TAMMER. vi. WILLIAM ECHOLS, b. 1702; d. April 08, 1771, Halifax Co., VA; m. (1) SARAH TURNER; m. (2) SARAH TURNER. vii. JOSEPH ECHOLS, b. 1704. viii. RICHARD ECHOLS, b. 1707; d. 1778; m. CATHERINE "CATY" EVANS, 1735. More About RICHARD ECHOLS and CATHERINE EVANS: Marriage: 1735