In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jim Cave PS I sent in my dna samples. Probably be a few weeks, hunh? Jim, I think it takes 4 to 6 weeks. Congratulations on taking the scientific plunge. It is so important to have many samples in any scientific study. Your results will not only help you but many others. For example we will be able to see if you match Randall Cave, who has his line proven back to John Cave the Revolutionary Soldier who married Sarah Wilson Brown. (Other people have this line "proven" back to John Cave who died ca 1721.) And it will be a baseline for other Virginia Caves to test against. We still need in my opinion several Caves to test from each line. Below are the Cave lines of several past and present members of the Cave Family History Society in England. I see several mistakes...but I wonder how to contact some of these people... Michael T Randall Cave (481) Virginia and South Carolina Randall’s father is D Wheaton cave (1928) and grandfather John B (1875) of South Carolina. Then to James B (1837); John Bunyon (1799) and Elizabeth Rountree; Benjamin (c1780) of South Carolina and Elizabeth Rountree and finally (at the moment) John (c 1745) of Virginia. Rick Anderson (379) Cave of Virginia Descended from Benjamin Cave (1703) of Virginia through two sons, William and Richard. The lines of descent come together through his mother, Sona Cave who married Murl Anderson. This is achieved over seven generations. Rick is the centre of information on the Cave’s of Virginia. His Web site features in "Computers and Family History". Michael Cave (368) Cave of Virginia Descended from Benjamin Cave of Virginia in the beginning of the 18th Century, and his father John (1678-1726) and Elizabeth Travers (1689-?). Benjamin married Hannah Bledsoe in 1720 in Orange County. They had a son John, and so it goes on. Rick Anderson is in the same family group. Carolyn Cave Black (383) Cave of Virginia Descended from the Cave’s of Virginia. Carolyn’s ancestry goes back to Henry Cave born 1769 in Carolina County Virginia, who married Miss Smith. We then come to the Benjamin Cave who arrived in Va in 1725, and the question of their origin. Some say England and descended from William Cave of Pickwell, 1637-1713. It is unfortunate that the only recorded children are, Elizabeth (1663), William (1664-1665), mary (1669), Ann (1671), William (1674) and John (1676-1677). My records of Benjamin over this period are: Benjamin of Cold Overton bapt 21Apr1665, son of John (c1638) and Ann; Benjamin of Leicester bapt 22May1698, son of James and Mary. There may be others, I am sure, but they have still to be found Betty K Shuffield (390) Cave of Virginia Descended from Martha Cave (1827) who married (1st) Willam C Knight (2nd to John Thomas Carver). Her father was Henry W (1800) and Nancy Jane Bass. Henry had migrated from Clarke Co Alabama to Clarke Co Mississipi and then to Milam Co Texas. His parents were John (1774) and Lucinda Causey, then John (1757) and Sarah Wilson Brown of Barnwell Co South Carolina. This latter John was a veteran of the American Revolution. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Jim, I don't know who sent his dna in but I suspect it must be Brian Cave, whose genealogy from the Cave Family History Society in England is as follows (from their website..no other details available). [Brian Cave (452) Cave of Maidford, NTH Brian’s parents were Richard (1912) and Eileen C Brewer, then Henry George (1881) and Elizabeth Schofield of Maidford; Richard (1832) and Fanny Reeve; William (1797) and Susannah Hollaway; Richard (1775) and Ann Cooper of Thorpe Mandeville; Thomas (c1745) and Sarah Bartlett; Thomas (1714) and Elizabeth of Guilsborough; William (1685) and Joice; John (1661) and his first wife Elizabeth Seamark; John (1624) and Elizabeth Hide and so to Valentine (c1585) and Agnes. ] I think that there was another lineage I saw which indicated that this Valentine Cave died in 1652...so this probably is the same man. Obviously it would not be the Valentine Cave that Jane found, whose will was probated in 1606. I guess I will join that Society..then they give out the emails of members. Alternatively I can ask Hugh Cave, President of the Society, whom I have been "email corresponding" with. Michael In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, do you have any way to contact the Valentine desc in England to see if he thinks this could be his ancestor Valentine. Alternatively, he could provide us with specifics on his Valentine. Jim Cave ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Michael, do you have any way to contact the Valentine desc in England to see if he thinks this could be his ancestor Valentine. Alternatively, he could provide us with specifics on his Valentine. Jim Cave PS I sent in my dna samples. Probably be a few weeks, hunh? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Valentine Cave This is very interesting. A Virginia Cave who is very likely a member of the Tidewater Virginia Caves from which a large number of the members on this list descend, matches exactly 37 of 37 markers to an English Cave who descends from the Valentine Cave who died 1652. Now Jane you seem to have found an even earlier Valentine Cave that died 1606. All of this is particularly interesting as Benjamin Cave the Burgess named a grandson Valentine. Michael In a message dated 6/29/2007 10:09:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp#searching Documents OnLine In the Quick Search box type: "Valentine Cave" Description: Will of Valentine Cave, Yeoman of Wilby, Northamptonshire Date 29 October 1652 Three pages - Total Price (£) 3.50 ------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com Calendars of Wills & Administrations in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry - 1516 to 1652 1540 - CAVE, -- 1542 - CAVE, Alice 1599 - CAVE, Thomas 1606 - CAVE, Valentine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is very interesting. A Virginia Cave who is very likely a member of the Tidewater Virginia Caves from which a large number of the members on this list descend, matches exactly 37 of 37 markers to an English Cave who descends from the Valentine Cave who died 1652. Now Jane you seem to have found an even earlier Valentine Cave that died 1606. All of this is particularly interesting as Benjamin Cave the Burgess named a grandson Valentine. Michael In a message dated 6/29/2007 10:09:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp#searching Documents OnLine In the Quick Search box type: "Valentine Cave" Description: Will of Valentine Cave, Yeoman of Wilby, Northamptonshire Date 29 October 1652 Three pages - Total Price (£) 3.50 ------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com Calendars of Wills & Administrations in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry - 1516 to 1652 1540 - CAVE, -- 1542 - CAVE, Alice 1599 - CAVE, Thomas 1606 - CAVE, Valentine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp#searching Documents OnLine In the Quick Search box type: "Valentine Cave" Description: Will of Valentine Cave, Yeoman of Wilby, Northamptonshire Date 29 October 1652 Three pages - Total Price (£) 3.50 ------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com Calendars of Wills & Administrations in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry - 1516 to 1652 1540 - CAVE, -- 1542 - CAVE, Alice 1599 - CAVE, Thomas 1606 - CAVE, Valentine

Michael..... While I haven't researched Valentine Cave, I did notice one of my most recent postings had one recorded. http://books.google.com Registers of the Parish of Wandsworth in the County of Surrey: (1603-1787) Burial: 1649-1650 Aug. 15 - Mary, dau. of Valentine CAVE Jane

Jane, In all of your many searches, have you ever run across a "Valentine Cave" living in England in the 1500s - 1600's....probably in Northamptonshire? Thanks! Michael In a message dated 6/29/2007 5:40:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > www.books.google.com > The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, Co. Lincoln. 1562-1812 > > 1599-1600. Doddington Pigott, the xiiijth of Aprill. This is a true > Invetory of all such p'sons as have been Christened Maried & buryed > in ye P'sh above wryten since the xiiij of Aprill, 1599 unto this p'sent > xiiij of Aprill, 1600, by me Raphe Bethell, P'son > . Katerne daughter of Edward CAVE christened the xxvj of Decembr. > > 1602-1603. Doddington Pigott, the xv of Aprill. This is a true Invetory > of all such p'sons as have been christened married & buried w'thin the > p'ish above wrytten since the xvth ofAprill 1602, untill this p'sent year > 1603, by me Raphe Bethell, P'son > . Henry sonne of Edward CAVE christened the xvijth of September. > > 1604-1605. Doddington Pygot the viij of Aprill. This is a true Invetory > of all such p'sons as have been christened married and buried w'thin ye > p'sh above wrytten from ye viijth of Aprill 1604 unto this p'sent year > 1605, by me Richd Pollard, P'son > . Luce the daughter of John CAVE christened the second of February > > 1609-1610. A trew Inventory of the names and surnames of all such as have > been baptized married & buiried in the p'sh of Doddington Piggot since the > xxvth of March 1609 unto the xxvth of March, 1610. > . Edward CAVE the sonne of Edward CAVE, Miller, & Agnes his wife was > . baptized the ixth of July. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > www.books.google.com > Allegations for Marriage Licences Issued by the Vicar-general of the > Archbishop of Canterbury > > 1670 Aug 8 - Edward Lewis, of Chipping Barnett, Midd., Widr, abt 38, > . & Sarah CAVE, of Watford, Herts, Spr, abt 22, at own disp.; at Elstry, > . Watford, or Bushy. > 1673 Sep 19 - John CAVE, of St. Giles, Cripplegate, Lond., Bachr, abt 21, > . & Mary Cooper, of Whitechapel, Midd., Spr, abt 16, with consent of her > . guardn, her parents dead; alleged by Sydrack CAVE, of St Giles afsd, > . Glover; at St Botlph's, Aldgate, Whitechapel or Wapping Chapel, Midd. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > www.books.google.com > The Gentleman's Magazine - 1851 > > May 1851 - at Mangotsfield, near Bristol, John J. L. Bayly, esq. of Hill > house, Gloucester, to Susanna, dau. of Daniel CAVE, esq. of Cleve hill, > and granddau. of the late Dr. Locock of Northampton. > > May 1851 - at Poole, Emma-Arabella, fourth dau. of the late Thos CAVE, > esq. surgeon of Poole to William, youngest son of the late Geo. Henry Hicks, > esq. M.D. of Baldock, Herts. > > May 1851 - at St. Luke's Norwood, the Rev. John CAVE BROWNE, M.A. > to Selina-Mary, second dau. of Major William Turner, of the Bengal Army. > > 18 July 1851 - At Jersey, Lawrence Trent CAVE, esq., 54th Regt. younger > son of Charles CAVE, esq. of Lowndes st. Belgrave sq. to Emily-Rosellen, > only dau. of the late Rev. Henry Torre Holme, of Paull Holme. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > www.books.google.com > Men-at-the-bar: > A Biographical Hand-list of the Members of the Various Inns of Court > > CAVE, George, B.A. (late scholar) St. John's Coll., Oxon, joint editor of > Sweet's Concise Precedents in Conveyancing, 3rd edition, a student of the > Inner emple 13 May, 1876 (then aged 20) real and personal property > scholar Jan., 1879, called to the bar 9 June, 1880 (2nd son of Thomas > CAVE, M.P., of Queensberry House, Richmond, Surrey); born 23 Feb., 1856 > > CAVE, (Hon.) Sir Lewis William, Knt., a justice of the High Court of > Justice, judge in bankruptcy 1884, Queen's Bench Division 1881-4, M.A., > Lincoln Coll., Oxon, 1877, a revising barrister 1865-75, Q.C. 1875, > recorder of Lincoln 1873-81, a commissioner of assize 1877, and a > commissioner to inquire into corrupt practices at elections 1880,editor of > Addison on Torts, Addison on Contracts, knighted 1 April 1881, a student > of the Inner Temple 24 Jan., 1856 (then aged 23), called to the bar > 10 June 1859, Q.C. 25 June, 1875, bencher 15 June 1877 (eldest son of > William CAVE, Esq., of Dessborough, Northants, dec.); born 3 July, 1832; > married 5 Aug., 1856, Julia, dau. of late Rev. C.F. Watkins, vicar of > Brixworth, Northants. > > CAVE, Caroline Julia, eldest dau. of late Thomas CAVE, Esq., of Poole, > Dorset m. Robert Thomas Kent > > CAVE, Edith, eldest dau. of Rt. Hon. Sir Lewis William CAVE, justice of > Queen's bench division, married 18 Aug., 1880 to Stephen Henry West. > > CAVE-BROWNE, Annette Forbes, eldest dau. of Rev. John Cave-Browne, > M.A., vicar of Debtling married Arthur George Burney 9 Sept., 1880. > > CAVE, Mary, dau. of William Cave married 24 Sept., 1856 to Fulbert Archer. > She died 27 Oct., 1871, leaving issue. > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > www.books.google.com > Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family of Chester of Chicheley > > Lots of information here...CAVEs of Stanford, Ingarsby, Chicheley. > Pedigrees, wills, et. > > 1. Go to http://books.google.com > 2. Cut/paste the title of book in the search box > 3. Select entry that says ...Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family > . of Chester of Chicheley - Page 1 ... > 4. Go to right side of page, scroll down and enter: Cave > . in "search in this book" > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

www.books.google.com The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, Co. Lincoln. 1562-1812 1599-1600. Doddington Pigott, the xiiijth of Aprill. This is a true Invetory of all such p'sons as have been Christened Maried & buryed in ye P'sh above wryten since the xiiij of Aprill, 1599 unto this p'sent xiiij of Aprill, 1600, by me Raphe Bethell, P'son . Katerne daughter of Edward CAVE christened the xxvj of Decembr. 1602-1603. Doddington Pigott, the xv of Aprill. This is a true Invetory of all such p'sons as have been christened married & buried w'thin the p'ish above wrytten since the xvth ofAprill 1602, untill this p'sent year 1603, by me Raphe Bethell, P'son . Henry sonne of Edward CAVE christened the xvijth of September. 1604-1605. Doddington Pygot the viij of Aprill. This is a true Invetory of all such p'sons as have been christened married and buried w'thin ye p'sh above wrytten from ye viijth of Aprill 1604 unto this p'sent year 1605, by me Richd Pollard, P'son . Luce the daughter of John CAVE christened the second of February 1609-1610. A trew Inventory of the names and surnames of all such as have been baptized married & buiried in the p'sh of Doddington Piggot since the xxvth of March 1609 unto the xxvth of March, 1610. . Edward CAVE the sonne of Edward CAVE, Miller, & Agnes his wife was . baptized the ixth of July. -------------------------------------------------------- www.books.google.com Allegations for Marriage Licences Issued by the Vicar-general of the Archbishop of Canterbury 1670 Aug 8 - Edward Lewis, of Chipping Barnett, Midd., Widr, abt 38, . & Sarah CAVE, of Watford, Herts, Spr, abt 22, at own disp.; at Elstry, . Watford, or Bushy. 1673 Sep 19 - John CAVE, of St. Giles, Cripplegate, Lond., Bachr, abt 21, . & Mary Cooper, of Whitechapel, Midd., Spr, abt 16, with consent of her . guardn, her parents dead; alleged by Sydrack CAVE, of St Giles afsd, . Glover; at St Botlph's, Aldgate, Whitechapel or Wapping Chapel, Midd. -------------------------------------------------------- www.books.google.com The Gentleman's Magazine - 1851 May 1851 - at Mangotsfield, near Bristol, John J. L. Bayly, esq. of Hill house, Gloucester, to Susanna, dau. of Daniel CAVE, esq. of Cleve hill, and granddau. of the late Dr. Locock of Northampton. May 1851 - at Poole, Emma-Arabella, fourth dau. of the late Thos CAVE, esq. surgeon of Poole to William, youngest son of the late Geo. Henry Hicks, esq. M.D. of Baldock, Herts. May 1851 - at St. Luke's Norwood, the Rev. John CAVE BROWNE, M.A. to Selina-Mary, second dau. of Major William Turner, of the Bengal Army. 18 July 1851 - At Jersey, Lawrence Trent CAVE, esq., 54th Regt. younger son of Charles CAVE, esq. of Lowndes st. Belgrave sq. to Emily-Rosellen, only dau. of the late Rev. Henry Torre Holme, of Paull Holme. --------------------------------------------------------- www.books.google.com Men-at-the-bar: A Biographical Hand-list of the Members of the Various Inns of Court CAVE, George, B.A. (late scholar) St. John's Coll., Oxon, joint editor of Sweet's Concise Precedents in Conveyancing, 3rd edition, a student of the Inner emple 13 May, 1876 (then aged 20) real and personal property scholar Jan., 1879, called to the bar 9 June, 1880 (2nd son of Thomas CAVE, M.P., of Queensberry House, Richmond, Surrey); born 23 Feb., 1856 CAVE, (Hon.) Sir Lewis William, Knt., a justice of the High Court of Justice, judge in bankruptcy 1884, Queen's Bench Division 1881-4, M.A., Lincoln Coll., Oxon, 1877, a revising barrister 1865-75, Q.C. 1875, recorder of Lincoln 1873-81, a commissioner of assize 1877, and a commissioner to inquire into corrupt practices at elections 1880,editor of Addison on Torts, Addison on Contracts, knighted 1 April 1881, a student of the Inner Temple 24 Jan., 1856 (then aged 23), called to the bar 10 June 1859, Q.C. 25 June, 1875, bencher 15 June 1877 (eldest son of William CAVE, Esq., of Dessborough, Northants, dec.); born 3 July, 1832; married 5 Aug., 1856, Julia, dau. of late Rev. C.F. Watkins, vicar of Brixworth, Northants. CAVE, Caroline Julia, eldest dau. of late Thomas CAVE, Esq., of Poole, Dorset m. Robert Thomas Kent CAVE, Edith, eldest dau. of Rt. Hon. Sir Lewis William CAVE, justice of Queen's bench division, married 18 Aug., 1880 to Stephen Henry West. CAVE-BROWNE, Annette Forbes, eldest dau. of Rev. John Cave-Browne, M.A., vicar of Debtling married Arthur George Burney 9 Sept., 1880. CAVE, Mary, dau. of William Cave married 24 Sept., 1856 to Fulbert Archer. She died 27 Oct., 1871, leaving issue. --------------------------------------------------------- www.books.google.com Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family of Chester of Chicheley Lots of information here...CAVEs of Stanford, Ingarsby, Chicheley. Pedigrees, wills, et. 1. Go to http://books.google.com 2. Cut/paste the title of book in the search box 3. Select entry that says ...Genealogical memoirs of the extinct family . of Chester of Chicheley - Page 1 ... 4. Go to right side of page, scroll down and enter: Cave . in "search in this book" ----------------------------------------------------------- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~gormleym/ENGMARRY.htm Tying the Knot: English Style - interesting ---------------------------------------------------------- www.hunimex.com/warwick/bmd/warks_gen_adv_1822-23.html 1823.05.23 - Died Mr. William Cave of Shoulder of Mutton , Public House Rugby age 70 -------------------------------------------------------

http://books.google.com Hampshire Allegations for Marriage Licences Granted by the Bishop of Winchester. 1689 to 1837 CAVE, Anne of Carisbrooke, sp., & Samuel Bourne of Newport, mercer, . 20 Apl, 1709. Wm. CAVE, of Newport, bondsman. CAVE, Anne, of St. Thomas, Winchester, 21, sp., & John Ventham of . St. Mary Calendar, Winchester, writing master, 21, at St. T., . 9 July 1816 CAVE, Anne-Theresa of St. Thomas, Winchester, 21, sp., & Thomas . Vaughan of St. Swithun's, Winchester, coal merchant, 21, at St. T., . 19 May 1821. John CAVE of the s., painter, bondsman CAVE, Charles, of Petersfield, surgeon, 30, b., & Mary Eames, of the s., . 20, sp., with c. of her m., Elizabeth Eames, at P., 1 Feb., 1804 CAVE, Charles Samuel, of Whitchurch, cooper, 21, b., & Sarah Kent, . of the s., w., at W., 22 Sep., 1821. CAVE, Edith, of Eling, 21, sp., & Thomas Fox, of St. Mary's, Southampton, . 21, b., at E., 18 Jan., 1833. CAVE, James, of South Stoneham, blockmaker, 21, b., & Sarah Robbins, . of the s., 19, with c. of her f., Thomas Robbins, of the s., blockmaker at . S.S., 7 Feb., 1802 CAVE, James, of Alresford, labourer, 24, b., & Jenny Franklin, of Basing, . 24, sp., at B., 22 May, 1802. Thomas Franklin, of the s., labourer, bondsman. CAVE, Jane, of St. Maurice, Winchester, sp., & Thomas Winscom, of the s., . miller, 21, b., at St. M., 17 May, 1783. CAVE, John, of St. Thomas, Winchester, painter, 24, b., & Ann Vinn, of the s., . 22, sp., at St. T., 5 Nov., 1798. James CAVE of the s., painter, bondsman. CAVE, John, ofWareham, co. Dorset, 22, b., & Charlotte Taylor, of St. Mary, . Southampton, 21, sp., at St. M., 24 Jan., 1832 CAVE, John, the younger, of St. Thomas, Winchester, 21, b., & Mary-Jane . Penwarden, of the s., 19, sp., with c. of her guardian, James Farquharson, . of the s., Esq., at St. T., 21 Nov., 1836. CAVE, Mary of Carisbrooke, 21, sp., & John Ballard, of the s., 21 b., . 25 Oct 1770 CAVE, Mary of St. Thomas, age 26, spinster and Robert Moods of same, . brewer, age 34, on 9 June 1804. James CAVE of the same, drawing master, . bondsman - pg 42 CAVE, Mary of St. Thomas, 26,sp., & Robert Moody of the s., 34, b., brewer . at St. T., 9 June 1804. James CAVE, of the s., drawing master, bondsman CAVE, Sarah of Carisbrooke, sp., & Stephen Adams, of Newport, tailor, . 11 Oct 1710 CAVE, Sarah of St. Mary Calendar, Winchester, 21, sp., & Henry Redman . of New Alresford, 21, b., on 23 June 1826 CAVE, Martha of St. Lawrence, Winchester, 21, 2., & John Bennett, of . St. Maurice, Winchester, cordwainer, 21, b., 14 Apl., 1770 CAVE, Thomas, of All Saints, Southampton, carpenter, 21, b., & Mary Gosden, . of the s., 21, sp., at A.S., 2 May 1798. CAVE, William, of St. Maurice, Winchester, painter, 21, b., & Ann Broadway . of the s., 21, sp., 20 June 1759. CAVE, William, of St. Thomas, Winchester, painter, 24, b., & Betty Mercer, . of St. Mary Calendar, Winchester, 24, sp., at St. Maurice, 30 July 1785. CAVE, William, of St. Thomas, Winchester, painter, 40, w., & Anne Wheble, . of St. Lawrence, 43, sp., at St. L., 6 Aug., 1785.

http://books.google.com Registers of the Parish of Wandsworth in the County of Surrey: (1603-1787) Christened: 1667 Sep 1 - Mary, daughter of Charles CAVE Christened: 1684 Mar 17 - Sarah, daughter of Charles CAVE, Whitster Christened: 1688 Oct 5 - Edward, son of Charles and Sarah CAVE Christened: 1726 Mar 12 - Gregory, son of Charles CAVE Christened: 1726 Sep 18 - John, son of John CAVE Christened: 1727 June 7 - Sarah, daughter of Charles and Mary CAVE Christened: 1730 Aug 2 - Jane, daughter of John and Anne CAVE Christened: 1734 Nov 7 - John, son of Thomas and Elizabeth CAVE Christened: 1739 May 20 - Charles-James, s/o Thomas and Elisabeth CAVE Christened: 1741 Aug 12 - Matthew, son of Matthew and Philippa CAVE Christened: 1744 Jan 20 - Martha, d/o Matthew and Philippa CAVE Christened: 1747 Aug 19 - Elisabeth, d/o Matthew and Philippa CAVE Christened: 1751 Oct 31 - Martha, d/o Matthew and Philippa CAVE Christened: 1752 Oct 15 - Sarah, d/o Matthew and Philippa CAVE Christened: 1755 Nov 23 - Matthew, son of Matthew and Philippa CAVES. --------------------------- Marriage: 1770 Sep. 16 - Philippe CAVE, Spinster, m. Walter Bush, . Widower, Licence. Marriage: 1773 Jan 31 - Sarah CAVE m. Richard Ayres --------------------------- Burial: 1649-1650 Aug. 15 - Mary, dau. of Valentine CAVE Burial: 1730 Feb. 28 - Charles CAVE, 67. Burial: 1732 Mar. 26 - John, inf. son of John CAVE Burial: 1734 Oct 3 - John CAVE, 11. Burial: 1734 Apr 22 - Sarah CAVE, a child Burial: 1741 Aug 15 - Matthew, inf. son of Mathew CAVE. Burial: 1741 Dec 15 - Anne CAVE widow, 77. Burial: 1744-45 June 26 - Martha, inf. dau. of Matthew CAVE. Burial: 1747 Aug 23 - Elisabeth, inf. dau. of Matthew CAVE Burial: 1748-49 Mar 19 - Elizabeth, wife of Thomas CAVE Burial: 1749 Feb 2 - Thomas, inf. son of Thomas and Philippa CAVE. Burial: 1754 Aug 13 - William, son of Matthew and Phillis CAVE, 8 Burial: 1765 Feb 25 - Philippa CAVE ---------------------------------------------------------

Hello Cave Listers, My step grandmother Louise Cave, who was born in Seaforth, Lancashire, Eng., was of Irish descent. Her father William Cave was born in Cork City 1846 to Stephen Cave and Letitia Keays, (although I suspect she may have been married before). William became a sea captain. He died in Cheshire, Eng. His father Stephen Cave (b. c 1820) was a successful corn merchant. Stephen's father was John Cave but mother's name is not known. So you see there are Irish connections. Barbara Roberts (Australia)

http://books.google.com ------------------------------------------------------- Marriage Licences Granted by the Bishop of London Jan 14, 1611 - Thomas CAVE, Esq., now of Great St. Bartholomew's, London, above 18, son of Sir Thomas CAVE, Kt, of Stamford, co. North(ton) & Elizabeth Croft, of same, Maiden, 17, dau of Sir Herbert Croft, Kt, of same; consent of said Sir Thomas CAVE and Dame Elinor his wife; at Great St. Bartholomew aforesaid. (Reference to a suit in the matter, and this Licence after sentence in the case.) Oct 8, 1625 - Hugh CAVE, of St Bride's, London, Haberdasher, & Anne Sandes, of St. Sepulchre's, London, widow of Adam Sands; at St. Bennet, Paul's Wharf, London Aug. 19, 1713 - Jonathan CAVE, of Highgate, Middlesex, Bachelor, 27, & Elizabeth Cokin of St. Michael's, Crooked Lane, Spr, 22; at St. Ann's, Blackfriars. ------------------------------------------------------- Alumni Oxoniensis: The Members of the University of Oxford, 1500-1714 Marbury, Edward; M.A. from Trinity Coll., Cambridge, 1606....licenced 10 Nov., 1617 to marry Margaret, daughter of Henry CAVE, late of Ingarsby, co. Leicester, esq., deceased. ------------------------------------------------------- Marriage Allegations in the Registry of the Vicar-General of the Archbishop of Canterbury 1660-1 1660 Dec. 19 - John CAVE, Esq., of Inner Temple, Wid, about 44 & Theodosia Brawne, Sp, about 28; consent of mother Dame Theodosia Brawne, of St. Martin's in Fields, Widow; at St. Mary Magdalene, Old Fish Street, or St. Martin's afs 1662 Sep 19 - Anne CAVE of All Hallows Barking, Spr, about 22; consent of her mother Anne CAVE, of same, Widow at St. Martin's, Ludgate, or St. Bennet, Paul's Wharf and Henry Wainkling, of same, Bach, about 30. 1668 Sep. 4 - Elizabeth CAVE, of St. Giles, Cripplegate, Widow, abt 30 and Thomas Fletcher, of same, Gent., Wid, abt 55; at same, or St. Leonard, Shoreditch, or Islington, Middlesex. 1675 Feb. 24 - Sir Roger CAVE, of Stanford, co. North-ton, Bart., Bachr, abt 21 (his father's consent), and Mrs. Martha Browne, of Eydon, 2d co., Spr, abt 21 (consent of father John Browne, of same, Esq.) at Eydon afsd ------------------------------------------------------- Nottinghamshire Parish Register - Gedling Marriages Francis CAVE & Elizabeth Godfrey, both of G. - 22 May 1763 Francis CAVE, of Carlton, & Anne Shelton, of Stoke - 24 Dec 1764 Alice CAVE & George Savidge, both of G. - 11 Nov 1790 Hannah CAVE & Thomas Greenfield, both of G. - 30 Nov 1790 ------------------------------------------------------ Marriage, Baptismal and Burial Registers of the Collegiate Church or Abbey of St. Peter, Westminster Burials in Westminster Abbey Feb 18 1663 - Mr. John CAVE, one of the Gentlemen of the King's Chapel (Unfortunately killed); between the Great and Little Cloisters. His name first occurs as a Gent. of the Chapel Royal on the occasion of the Coronation of K. Charles II, 23 Apl. 1661. Pepys thus notices the occurrence mentioned in the text, under date of 1 Feb.: "I hear how two men last night, justling for the wall about the new Exchange, did kill one another, each thrusting the other through; one of them of the King's Chapel, one CAVE, and the other a retayner of my Lord Generall Middleton's." The old Cheque Book of the Chapel Royal gives a more minute account, thus: "Mr. John CAVE, one of the Gentlemen of His Majesties Chappell Royall, goeing home to his lodging upon the 30th of January, about 7 or 8 of ye clock in the evening, about the new Exchange, was by one James Elliott, a Scott, run through the body, of which wound he departed this life the 16th day of February following, 1663." ------------------------------------------------------ The Annual Register - or a View of the History, Politics and Literature for the Year 1815 January: On Monday last an inquisition was taken at Piddington, in this county, on view of the bodies of Robert CAVE, and Jane, his wife, who were supposed to have been wilfully poisoned; when, upon an investigation of upwards of seven hours, it appeared that Robert CAVE, who usually worked at Horton about a mile distant) was accustomed to have something hot provided for him on his return home in the evening, generally some broth, and a pudding or dumpling: that on the preceding Wednesday evening he had suet dumpling prepared for him by his wife, the whole of which he ate, and found no ill effects from it: that on the next day (Thursday) she also prepared another suet dumpling for him, taking the flour out of the same bowl, and the suet from the same place as on Wednesday. In eating it he complained of its taste, and only ate about half of it. His wife then ate part of the remainder, giving some to her eldest daughter, who only took a very small quantity. They were all very soon afterwards taken extremely ill, and Jane CAVE died in about five hours; Robert CAVE lived only about eight hours, and the daughter is now very ill, but likely to recover. It did not in any way appear how or in what manner the poison was introduced into, or got mixed with the flour or suet, both of which were strongly impregnated with arsenic; no person having been in the house since the making of the dumpling on the Wednesday, except the family of the deceased. Verdict - died by Poison. --------------------------------------------------- A Dictionary of Artists of the English School; Painters, Sculptors, Architects, Engravers and Ornamentists CAVE, Henry, topographical draftsman. He resided at York, and drew and etched the ancient building in that city. He exhibited an oil-painting at the Academy in 1814, and again in 1822. He published, in 1813, 'The Antiquities of York,' with 40 plates, which are very well drawn and etched with spirit; and several other etchings. He died at York, August 4, 1836, aged 56. CAVE, James, topographical draftsman. He practised his art at Winchester. He exhibited at the Academy, in 1802, views of the Interior of Winchester Cathedral; in 1806, of St. Cross; and in 1812 and 1817, of the Cathedral again. He made the drawings for the illustration of Milner's 'History of Winchester,' 2nd edition, published 1809. le CAVE, P., water-colour painter. He practised in the early tinted manner, painting landscapes with cattle and figures, pleasing but weak imitations of Berghem, and was employed in Teaching. There are also by him some small works of the same class in oil. In 1769 he was an applicant for assistance to the Incorporated Society of Artists, and he is again heard of in 1803, when, much in debt, he left his lodgings, promising to return, but no further trace of him could be gained.

Concerning linking English and Virginia caves, John and William are extremely common names, David however is somewhat more unusual. A David Cave was claimed as a headright in 1669 by William Taylor. This apparently same David Cave signed a petition concerning St. Stephen's Parish in King and Queen County in I believe 1682. This is the same area where John Cave lived. However I wonder if there are records of a David Cave in Northamptonshire, England about this time. That he signed his name in the 1600's may be an indication that he was very well educated. In a message dated 6/24/2007 3:31:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: ------------------------------------------------------- The Protestant Episcopal Quarterly Review, and Church Register - Vol. IV. The Lives, Acts, and Martyrdoms of the Apostles of our Saviour. By William CAVE, D.D. 2 vols. 12mo. - R. Carter & Brother This is a new edition of an old and well-known work. Dr. CAVE was Chaplain in Ordinary to Charles II. He was a man of learning and industry, and wrote several works relating to ecclesiastical matters. The "Lives of the Apostles," now reprinted, was perhaps the most important of his productions, displaying much learning, and of exceedingly popular character. He died in the year 1713. ------------------------------------------------------- Alumni Oxonienses: the Members of the University of Oxford, 1715-1886 Lots of CAVEs here.....to access go to http://books.google.com then type in the search box: University of Oxford, 1715-1886 Cave ------------------------------------------------------- Annual Register - a Review of Public Events at Home and Abroad (1863-1893) Obituary: On the 2nd (Nov. 189?), at Brighton, age 69, Thomas CAVE, son of George CAVE, of Bodicott, once a merchant in London. Sat as a Liberal for Barstaple, 1865-80; Sheriff of London 1864. Married, 1849, Elizabeth, daughter of Shalecross. ------------------------------------------------------- Registers of the Parish Church of Leeds Burial: Ann, daughter of Lawrence CAVE, of Houlbecke - Oct. 4, 1651 Marriage: Thomas CAVE, of Bramhop, and Grace Boothman, of . Bradford parrish - Sep 26, 1654 Birth: Josuah, child of Lawrence CAVE, of Houlbecke - b.29 Oct. 1662 Marriage: Joshua CAVE, of Hunslet, and Alice Dinnison, of . great woodhouse - June 4,1688 Burial: Mary CAVE, of Hunslit - Sept. 2, 1680 Baptism: Mar 15,1690 - Hannah, child of Wm CAVE, of Holbeck, born 20 February -------------------------------------------------------- Annual Register - A Review of Public Events at Home and Abroad for the Year 1880 Lewis William CAVE, Esq., one of H.M.'s Counsel, Hugh Cowie, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, and Edward Ridley, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, to be Commissioners for the purpose of making inquiry into the existence of corrupt practices at the last Election for the City of Oxford. --------------------------------------------------------- Musgrove's Obituary - Prior to 1800: (as Far as Relates to England, Scotland and Ireland) - 1899 CAVE, Edw. printer of the Gent. Mag. - 62 - 10 Jan. 1754 CAVE, Eliz., in St. Luke's Workhouse - 100 - 21 Feb 1764 CAVE, John - Oct 1690 - 52 CAVE, Jos. Capt. Navy - 31 Jan 1781 CAVE, Penelope (Miss) dau of Sr. Thomas C. 28 April 1771 CAVE, Peter, Doncaster - 1 June 1782 CAVE, Richd, printer - 8 Dec 1766 CAVE, Roger (Sir), Bt., Northants - Oct 1703 CAVE, Roger, Eydon, Northants, uncle of Sr. Thos. C., Bt. - March 1741 CAVE, Thos. (Sir), of Northton - 1641 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., of Stamford Hall - Northants - 21 April 1719 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., Leicestersh. - 7-10 Aug. 1778 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt. F.R.S. - 30 May 1780 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., Leicestersh. - 26 - 16 Jan 1792 CAVE, Verney (Sir), Bt., Northants - 12 Sep 1734 CAVE, Wm., D.D. - 65 - 4 Aug 1713 CAVE, (Lady), dau of the Visct, Fermanagh, mother of Sir Thos. C., Bt - . 17 May 1774 CAVE, (Mrs.),, wife of __C., burgess Stamford - 24 April 1790 CAVE, Fell. Trin. Coll. - 1644 CAVE, (Rev.), at Overton, Hants - 9 May 1773 CAVE, cork-cutter, West Smithfield - 16 July 1790 CAVE, of Burrow in Leicestersh. - Aug 1792 - 84 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

http://books.google.com ------------------------------------------------------- The Protestant Episcopal Quarterly Review, and Church Register - Vol. IV. The Lives, Acts, and Martyrdoms of the Apostles of our Saviour. By William CAVE, D.D. 2 vols. 12mo. - R. Carter & Brother This is a new edition of an old and well-known work. Dr. CAVE was Chaplain in Ordinary to Charles II. He was a man of learning and industry, and wrote several works relating to ecclesiastical matters. The "Lives of the Apostles," now reprinted, was perhaps the most important of his productions, displaying much learning, and of exceedingly popular character. He died in the year 1713. ------------------------------------------------------- Alumni Oxonienses: the Members of the University of Oxford, 1715-1886 Lots of CAVEs here.....to access go to http://books.google.com then type in the search box: University of Oxford, 1715-1886 Cave ------------------------------------------------------- Annual Register - a Review of Public Events at Home and Abroad (1863-1893) Obituary: On the 2nd (Nov. 189?), at Brighton, age 69, Thomas CAVE, son of George CAVE, of Bodicott, once a merchant in London. Sat as a Liberal for Barstaple, 1865-80; Sheriff of London 1864. Married, 1849, Elizabeth, daughter of Shalecross. ------------------------------------------------------- Registers of the Parish Church of Leeds Burial: Ann, daughter of Lawrence CAVE, of Houlbecke - Oct. 4, 1651 Marriage: Thomas CAVE, of Bramhop, and Grace Boothman, of . Bradford parrish - Sep 26, 1654 Birth: Josuah, child of Lawrence CAVE, of Houlbecke - b.29 Oct. 1662 Marriage: Joshua CAVE, of Hunslet, and Alice Dinnison, of . great woodhouse - June 4,1688 Burial: Mary CAVE, of Hunslit - Sept. 2, 1680 Baptism: Mar 15,1690 - Hannah, child of Wm CAVE, of Holbeck, born 20 February -------------------------------------------------------- Annual Register - A Review of Public Events at Home and Abroad for the Year 1880 Lewis William CAVE, Esq., one of H.M.'s Counsel, Hugh Cowie, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, and Edward Ridley, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, to be Commissioners for the purpose of making inquiry into the existence of corrupt practices at the last Election for the City of Oxford. --------------------------------------------------------- Musgrove's Obituary - Prior to 1800: (as Far as Relates to England, Scotland and Ireland) - 1899 CAVE, Edw. printer of the Gent. Mag. - 62 - 10 Jan. 1754 CAVE, Eliz., in St. Luke's Workhouse - 100 - 21 Feb 1764 CAVE, John - Oct 1690 - 52 CAVE, Jos. Capt. Navy - 31 Jan 1781 CAVE, Penelope (Miss) dau of Sr. Thomas C. 28 April 1771 CAVE, Peter, Doncaster - 1 June 1782 CAVE, Richd, printer - 8 Dec 1766 CAVE, Roger (Sir), Bt., Northants - Oct 1703 CAVE, Roger, Eydon, Northants, uncle of Sr. Thos. C., Bt. - March 1741 CAVE, Thos. (Sir), of Northton - 1641 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., of Stamford Hall - Northants - 21 April 1719 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., Leicestersh. - 7-10 Aug. 1778 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt. F.R.S. - 30 May 1780 CAVE, Tho. (Sir), Bt., Leicestersh. - 26 - 16 Jan 1792 CAVE, Verney (Sir), Bt., Northants - 12 Sep 1734 CAVE, Wm., D.D. - 65 - 4 Aug 1713 CAVE, (Lady), dau of the Visct, Fermanagh, mother of Sir Thos. C., Bt - . 17 May 1774 CAVE, (Mrs.),, wife of __C., burgess Stamford - 24 April 1790 CAVE, Fell. Trin. Coll. - 1644 CAVE, (Rev.), at Overton, Hants - 9 May 1773 CAVE, cork-cutter, West Smithfield - 16 July 1790 CAVE, of Burrow in Leicestersh. - Aug 1792 - 84 ---------------------------------------------------------

Since we are starting to have the Tidewater Caves test their dna and there has been a Virginia - English exact match, does anyone know of a male line Cave descendant from Benjamin the Burgess? I think Sue Ellen and Jim were speaking with a male Cave on ancestry.com recently about Benjamin? Maybe Dr. Troutman would know? And again, at 12 markers there is an exact match for the Virginia born Cave and eight English Caves,. and one possible match (10 of 12) who goes back to the main Cave line with William the Conqueror..the Burkes Peerage Caves. At 37 markers there is an exact match with the same Virginia born Cave and Valentine Cave of England in the 1500's. Michael ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I have been a bit under the weather. You can go to familytreedna.com to get a description of some of their services and prices. There already is a Cave Surname Research Project, on going, so you can get a discount. Also, many families set up angel funds, in other words they pay for someone else's test. I would strongly suggest testing at 37 markers if not more. The 12 doesn't give enough information. Michael Walker (Cave-Echols descendant) In a message dated 6/16/2007 1:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: would like this information also -- the procedure for getting the test? Details? Cost? Clara Cave - of James - born VA about 1801?, died OH 1876 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

SOURCE: Cave Surname, Verticle File Collection, Kentucky Historical Society, Thomas D. Clark Center for Kentucky History, Martin F. Schmidt Library, Frankfort, KY. Cave Bible Notes on the Cave family of Virginia, taken from a family Bible, once belonging to Belfield Cave Shackleford. Record copied by Mrs. Robert Klaren for the Bryan Station Chapter, DAR in Feb. 1960 Belfield Cave, husband of Mildred Cave, was born Oct. 23, 1756 Mildred Cave (Christie or Jones) was born Mar. 21, 1759 Their children were: Elizabeth born May 9, 1778 Benjamine born Jan. 24, 1780 Elizebeth born Jan. 1, 1782 Joseph, born Apl. 6, 1784 Sarah, born Apl. 15, 1786 Hudson M., born Jan. 10, 1792 Belfield, Jr., born May 26, 1794 Sarah Christie, born July 12, 1796 Frances S., born Aug. 13, 1798 Emily Amanda, born Feb. 26, 1803 Jane W. T. daughter of Benjamin Cave, born Oct. 7, 1811 Jane M. Cave wife of Benjamin Cave, born Dec. 12, 1787 Deaths: Belfield Cave, Sr., died June 4, 1811 Elizabeth Cave, first child of Belfield and Mildred, died Nov. 1, 1779 Sarah Cave, 3rd daughter of Belfield and Mildred, died 21 July 1786 Elizabeth Johnson, second daughter of Belfield and Mildred, died Feb. 20, 1815 Jane M. Cave, wife of Benj. Cave, died April 23, 1812 Benjamin Cave, son of Bilfield and Mildred, died June 24, 1822 Mildred Cave, wife of Belfield Cave, died Aug. 6, 1829 Philip Cave, died Jan. 8, 1860 in 72nd year Josesph Cave, died Dec. 13, 1863 Hudson M. Cave, died Feb. 5, 1864 Frances B. (Cave) Collins, died 1862 = = = = = Genealogical Records Committee, Kentucky DAR, 1960, Vol. 1, Bible, Cemetery & Church Records, Part 1, Kentucky Historical Society, Thomas D. Clark Center for Kentucky History, Martin F. Schmidt Library, Frankfort, KY. p. 76 Lynna Kay Shuffield - P.O. Box 16604 - Houston, TX 77222 Our Loose Ends - Genealogy Column http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm Milam County, Texas - Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/milamco/

Shelby Co., KY Marriages, Vol. II, 1834-1869 & 1876-1878 p. 96 Tyler, Thomas A. and Olivia Cave, dau. of Paulina Cave (Robinson) married: 2 May 1854 bond: Will Atkisson p. 119 Cave, J. H. and Mary A. Bell, dau. of Wm. A. Bell married: 3 Sept 1860 bond: John H. Cowherd p. 159 Hinkle, John R. and Mary B. Cave married: 16 June 1868 bond: John E. Uhler Lynna Kay Shuffield - P.O. Box 16604 - Houston, TX 77222 Our Loose Ends - Genealogy Column http://www.geocities.com/lks_friday/COLUMN-001.htm Milam County, Texas - Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/milamco/

In a message dated 6/16/2007 2:35:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, have you any more ID of John Cave b. 1745? Concerning this John Cave of 1745.... T. Randall Cave has his genealogy as follows: Virginia and South Carolina Randall’s father is D Wheaton cave (1928) and grandfather John B (1875) of South Carolina. Then to James B (1837); John Bunyon (1799) and Elizabeth Rountree; Benjamin (c1780) of South Carolina and Elizabeth Rountree and finally (at the moment) John (c 1745) of Virginia. I looked on the internet and, with no sources as usual, found that this John Cave was supposedly the son of John Cave, the grandson of David Cave and Sarah Moore, and great grandson of John Cave d. ca 1720. The John Cave of 1745 (his birthdate differs according to different sources) was a Revolutionary Soldier, and removed from Virginia to Barnwell County, South Carolina. He married Sarah Wilson Brown of Brown's Cove, Albemarle County, Virginia. He had the same naming patterns as did the other Caves of that era and area, his sons included David Benjamin, and John. Perhaps we can contact some of the descendants of this John to see if they have sources to show the generations earlier back. Since Randall is presumably a descendant of David Cave, it would be interesting to see if Jim Cave's dna matches his as well. Michael ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 6/16/2007 2:35:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, have you any more ID of John Cave b. 1745? Also, how do they get his dna to test for the match?? Jim Cave As far as getting John of 1745's dna...they don't get his dna. Males pass down their y chromosome/dna, basically unaltered, generation to generation. This dna can be measured by "markers." While there is an occasional change/mutation when it passes father to son, it is basically the same chromosome. So Jim you have the same y chromosome as your earliest known ancestor Robert Cave did. And this is the same y-dna (with perhaps a mutation or two) that your Cave line had for hundreds upon hundreds of years before. Now that is not your whole genetic makeup...it is just a small part of your genetic soup. Like everyone else you are half your mother and father, 1/4 your grandparents, 1/8 your grandparents, etc etc. Likewise, all Cave descendants, even when they don''t have the Cave surname, also have this Cave y dna, its just that only males with the surname can have it measured. This includes of course all females, and males with other surnames. For example my last name is Walker, and I had my Walker y dna tested. However as a descendant of Mary Cave Echols, I also have Cave dna, which incidentally is almost certainly the same as the y dna that you carry and which can be measured. With John Cave of 1745, his male line descendant, T. Randall Cave, had his y dna tested. He initially had 12 markers tested, which doesn't tell too much because it is the least precise. However it matched eight others exactly and two more closely. This meant Randall shares a common male Cave ancestor with all the exact matches, and probably the close matches. (The close matches wouldn't be exact because of the "mutations" mentioned above.) Randall then upgraded to 37 markers. This is more precise because it measures more markers. It also can generally tell whether someone else is a close relation or a further relation. So Randall's genetic signature matched 37 out of 37 markers with a male Brian Cave of England, whose earliest known Cave ancestor was Valentine Cave, born ca 1585 Northampton, England. This indicates a probable close relation. But besides this match, two additional Caves have upgraded to 37 markers, and Randall Cave matches them I believe 36/37, and 35/37. He is therefore also fairly closely related to these Cave men as well. Interestingly, with a big enough sample (i.e., enough Caves testing), you can pinpoint where mutations occur. Michael ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.