www.arkansaspreservation.org/historic-properties/_search_nomination_popup.asp?id=741 Zinc, Arkansas History of the town; mentions D. W. Cave and T. R. Cave www.old-picture.com/scenes-rural-america/015/Arkansas-deserted-mining-Zinc.htm http://newdeal.feri.org/library/s13.htm (same individuals as in photo above-different view)

Hi Ron Sandstead and Jim Cave, First to answer your question as to how I'm "related" to the Cave family - easy... I am not. My interest in the Cave family comes from quite a remote distance. My Elliott family homesteaded in Antelope Twp, Harlan County, Nebraska in 1874. My g-grandfather's brother John and his wife Mahala, had taken the twin daughter of John's sister to raise, when the mother couldn't nurse both of the twins. This daughter was Nettie Hicks, and in 1887 she married Charles J Witham in Alma, NE. Charles was the son of George and Sarah Ellen (Cave) Witham. Sarah Ellen was d/o Steven C & Mary Anne (McCall) Cave. Of course Steven was a brother to your William & Ellen (Russell) Cave. This primed my thirst for more history and I find that, unbeknown to other family researchers, John Elliott had a "second life" in Bird City and had dealings with the Cave family and this is probably how his (adopted) daughter Nettie found a husband in far (100 miles) off Bird City. Of course, as with all things, one question leads to another and this exposure to the Cave and Witham families whetted my appetite for more, and thus my interest in the fate of Dennis and Sarah Cave. If you will search the archives of this mail list, you will find an article posted back in Sep 2003 at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/cave/2003-09/1063244938 which gives a pretty good "mini-biography" of Dennis William Cave. This article was also published in the book "Early Bird City, Cheyenne County Kansas" of 1985 by Dorthy HILER Bruce Mast & Marsha C SQUIRES Magley. The article posted in the archives names the children o Dennis & Sarah Cave, but with a small difference when compared to the write-up in the Bird City Book. That is; the child written a Dora in the Bird City history book is typed as Cora in the article contained in the archives of this mail list. And THAT is all I know of Dora or Cora CAVE, *except, that I am assuming that this is the daughter "Birdie" shown as 2 months of age in the home of Dennis and Sarah in the 1880 census. Thank you Ron - you are absolutely correct, Sarah V (Jones) CAVE was listed in the census of 1900, living with Dr Thomas Cave and next door to James Rogers. She shows herself to be married. Then, you suggested that Sarah also acquired homestead land in Colorado nearby to the Sandstedt / Sandsted boys - I went back and checked and about three census pages away was Sarah Cave: CO-Logan-PawneePct_CAVE-Sarah_1910 23 May 1910 page 85 dwelling 270, family 314 CAVE, Sarah, head, age 52, wd, 4 children born - 4 now living, b. MO, fa.b. OH, mo.b. IN, Farmer - general, for own account, owns farm free of mtge census shows "North & West of Willard" (Willard is abt 10-15 miles West and a little South of Sterling, CO) So, Ron, your freehand memory is working well. I must break for din din but will review your postings and see that I've answered your questions. see ya, Jim "the curious" ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "RON SANDSTEAD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C > Dear Jim-- > > DW Cave and his wife Sarah Vetura Jones Cave were my great grandparents. > I > am currently out on a short trip so can't answer all your questions but > can > answer some. > > I have a lot of information about DW and his family. How are you related? > > I have spent some time in Harlan Co, Nebraska and Cheyenne Co, Kansas. I > have not gotten to Boone Co, Arkansas yet but am planning to make the trip > someday. My father's sister, Katherine Sandstead, is buried there at Zinc > and I want to see her grave as well as the mine. My father was born there > in Zinc in 1914. They were mining for lead and zinc. The metal was > needed > for the 1st World War. Family stories tell me that after the war the > mines > went bust. Family stories also tell me that Sarah and DW were divorced > although I haven't seen any documention. Also, I've been told that DW > came > back to Lincoln, Nebraska where Sarah was living and she cared for him > until > he died. There is a death record for DW that shows him passing away in > Pittsburg, Kansas (where his daughter Nancy Rogers lived). DW amd Saraj > are both buried in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln. My parents Joyce and > Russell > Sandstead are both buried next to them. And my father's parents are in > the > plot on the other side. My father's mother was Maude May Cave > Sandstead -- > one of DW's daughters. > > I believe that if you look at the census for 1910 closely you will find > Sarah V. Cave in the same boarding house as Thomas Cave and Nancy Rogers > there in Harrison, Arkansas. She is listed as a guest and is hard to read > but she is there. The same census lists DW as a real estate man although > he > was a lawyer and was known as Judge Cave there in Zinc. Most of the > Sandsteads- Sandstedts left Harlan Co, Nebraska in 1909 and went to the > area > just west of Sterling, Colorado to homestead. I'm fairly sure Sarah was > living in Lincoln at the time. She joined them and had her own homestead. > There are a number of family stories about that time. One of them is that > her house was a soddie and my uncle Ronald helped her shingle it while he > was still a boy. Another was one my aunt Mildred related. A big rattler > was found in the soddie and Grandmother Cave quiclly dispatched it and > acted > like it was nothing. My aunt was very impressed. > > Grandmother proved up on her homestead and sold it after the required 5 > years. She then moved back to Lincoln where she bought a house. Her son > Will Cave and daughter Maude Sandstead eventually owned homes within a > couple of blocks of her home. My father lived with her for a year or so > while in school. > > My grandmother Maude Cave Sandstead was in Colorado for a short time > before > going to stay in Washington with her sister Cora Cave Werlich. She took > the > younger kids with her and taught school while there. My grandfather Ed > Sandstead and his brother Will Sandstead built the houses for the > homesteads. The original ledgers for the homestead entrys are at the > Federal Center in Denver, Colorado. DW did not homestead in Colorado but > must have come for visits from Arkansas. He convinced my grandmother and > grandfather Sandstead to come to Zinc and help him mine. My grandfather > build houses and taught school there in Zinc. Grandmother Maude hated > being > there in Zinc. She considered the people to be very uncivilized. Zinc > was > a very rough and tumble mining town. After my Uncle Ronald saw a shootout > between the Sheriff and a father and son who were causing trouble, my > grandmother had had enough. She told Grandfather Ed that she was going > back > to Lincoln with or without him. He decided to leave also. > > So much for now. > > I would appreciate it if you could let me know what you have found about > the > family and where you found them. I knew from the 1880 census that DW had > a > daughter called Birdie but no one on my side of the family had ever heard > of > her. Where did you find her name to be Dora? There is so much that I > know > but so very much that I don't. The more of us who work on this the > better. > I'd certainly appreciate any information that you can send me. > > Thanks -- > > Ron Sandstead > 337 Calhoun Ave > Destin, FL 32541 > 850-837-0327 > > > > >>From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:22:59 -0600 >> >>It has been written: >>"... Here in Zinc, Ark., where Dennis was a judge and justice of peace, he >>looked after his extensive >>mining and agriculture interests, together with his brother and his >>daughter >>Nancy (the writer's grandmother) up until his death on Sept. 7, 1923." >> >>I have been trying to verify some of this and have had some problems: >>1) I find Dennis W Cave in the census of 1900 at Harrison Twp, Boone >>County, >>Arkansas, living by himself in (probably) a boarding house. He shows to >>be >>married but none of his family is with him. >>2) I can not find D.W., nor his wife, in either the 1910 or 1920 census. >>3) I find his daughter Nancy (Rogers) in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, >>AR >>in 1910 living next door to Thomas Cave, the brother of Dennis. >>4) Subsequently, Nancy is found in Pittsburg, Kansas in 1910 and 1920. >> >>It doesn't seem that either brother Thomas or daughter Nancy ever joined >>DW >>in Zinc, AR, so I guess they would have helped him manage his extensive >>holdings via long distance, as even brother Thomas appears to have >>returned >>to Kansas before 1910. >> >>What I am mostly wondering about is Sarah, the wife of Dennis. She died >>in >>1932 and is buried with him in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln, NE as Sarah >>Cave. >>Where was she during the period 1900-1932? (I haven't looked for her in >>1930 >>census) >> >>One more question - Dennis and Sarah had a daughter Dora ("Birdie"?) born >>about 1880. What was her fate? >> >>Thanks for any guidance on where to find more information or just answers >>to >>my questions. >>Jim >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in >>the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

For Ron Sandstead from Jim Cave Thanks so much for telling us more about DW Cave and his/your family. I would like very much to know whether and/or how you relate to my Cave line. I come down from the Cave's in colonial Virginia - from Robert 1700c - 1755 in Orange and Culpeper Counties. Who was your immigrant or earliest known Cave ancestor? ----- Original Message ----- From: "RON SANDSTEAD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C > Dear Jim-- > > DW Cave and his wife Sarah Vetura Jones Cave were my great grandparents. > I > am currently out on a short trip so can't answer all your questions but > can > answer some. > > I have a lot of information about DW and his family. How are you related? > > I have spent some time in Harlan Co, Nebraska and Cheyenne Co, Kansas. I > have not gotten to Boone Co, Arkansas yet but am planning to make the trip > someday. My father's sister, Katherine Sandstead, is buried there at Zinc > and I want to see her grave as well as the mine. My father was born there > in Zinc in 1914. They were mining for lead and zinc. The metal was > needed > for the 1st World War. Family stories tell me that after the war the > mines > went bust. Family stories also tell me that Sarah and DW were divorced > although I haven't seen any documention. Also, I've been told that DW > came > back to Lincoln, Nebraska where Sarah was living and she cared for him > until > he died. There is a death record for DW that shows him passing away in > Pittsburg, Kansas (where his daughter Nancy Rogers lived). DW amd Saraj > are both buried in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln. My parents Joyce and > Russell > Sandstead are both buried next to them. And my father's parents are in > the > plot on the other side. My father's mother was Maude May Cave > Sandstead -- > one of DW's daughters. > > I believe that if you look at the census for 1910 closely you will find > Sarah V. Cave in the same boarding house as Thomas Cave and Nancy Rogers > there in Harrison, Arkansas. She is listed as a guest and is hard to read > but she is there. The same census lists DW as a real estate man although > he > was a lawyer and was known as Judge Cave there in Zinc. Most of the > Sandsteads- Sandstedts left Harlan Co, Nebraska in 1909 and went to the > area > just west of Sterling, Colorado to homestead. I'm fairly sure Sarah was > living in Lincoln at the time. She joined them and had her own homestead. > There are a number of family stories about that time. One of them is that > her house was a soddie and my uncle Ronald helped her shingle it while he > was still a boy. Another was one my aunt Mildred related. A big rattler > was found in the soddie and Grandmother Cave quiclly dispatched it and > acted > like it was nothing. My aunt was very impressed. > > Grandmother proved up on her homestead and sold it after the required 5 > years. She then moved back to Lincoln where she bought a house. Her son > Will Cave and daughter Maude Sandstead eventually owned homes within a > couple of blocks of her home. My father lived with her for a year or so > while in school. > > My grandmother Maude Cave Sandstead was in Colorado for a short time > before > going to stay in Washington with her sister Cora Cave Werlich. She took > the > younger kids with her and taught school while there. My grandfather Ed > Sandstead and his brother Will Sandstead built the houses for the > homesteads. The original ledgers for the homestead entrys are at the > Federal Center in Denver, Colorado. DW did not homestead in Colorado but > must have come for visits from Arkansas. He convinced my grandmother and > grandfather Sandstead to come to Zinc and help him mine. My grandfather > build houses and taught school there in Zinc. Grandmother Maude hated > being > there in Zinc. She considered the people to be very uncivilized. Zinc > was > a very rough and tumble mining town. After my Uncle Ronald saw a shootout > between the Sheriff and a father and son who were causing trouble, my > grandmother had had enough. She told Grandfather Ed that she was going > back > to Lincoln with or without him. He decided to leave also. > > So much for now. > > I would appreciate it if you could let me know what you have found about > the > family and where you found them. I knew from the 1880 census that DW had > a > daughter called Birdie but no one on my side of the family had ever heard > of > her. Where did you find her name to be Dora? There is so much that I > know > but so very much that I don't. The more of us who work on this the > better. > I'd certainly appreciate any information that you can send me. > > Thanks -- > > Ron Sandstead > 337 Calhoun Ave > Destin, FL 32541 > 850-837-0327 > > > > >>From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:22:59 -0600 >> >>It has been written: >>"... Here in Zinc, Ark., where Dennis was a judge and justice of peace, he >>looked after his extensive >>mining and agriculture interests, together with his brother and his >>daughter >>Nancy (the writer's grandmother) up until his death on Sept. 7, 1923." >> >>I have been trying to verify some of this and have had some problems: >>1) I find Dennis W Cave in the census of 1900 at Harrison Twp, Boone >>County, >>Arkansas, living by himself in (probably) a boarding house. He shows to >>be >>married but none of his family is with him. >>2) I can not find D.W., nor his wife, in either the 1910 or 1920 census. >>3) I find his daughter Nancy (Rogers) in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, >>AR >>in 1910 living next door to Thomas Cave, the brother of Dennis. >>4) Subsequently, Nancy is found in Pittsburg, Kansas in 1910 and 1920. >> >>It doesn't seem that either brother Thomas or daughter Nancy ever joined >>DW >>in Zinc, AR, so I guess they would have helped him manage his extensive >>holdings via long distance, as even brother Thomas appears to have >>returned >>to Kansas before 1910. >> >>What I am mostly wondering about is Sarah, the wife of Dennis. She died >>in >>1932 and is buried with him in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln, NE as Sarah >>Cave. >>Where was she during the period 1900-1932? (I haven't looked for her in >>1930 >>census) >> >>One more question - Dennis and Sarah had a daughter Dora ("Birdie"?) born >>about 1880. What was her fate? >> >>Thanks for any guidance on where to find more information or just answers >>to >>my questions. >>Jim >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>C[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in >>the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Jim-- DW Cave and his wife Sarah Vetura Jones Cave were my great grandparents. I am currently out on a short trip so can't answer all your questions but can answer some. I have a lot of information about DW and his family. How are you related? I have spent some time in Harlan Co, Nebraska and Cheyenne Co, Kansas. I have not gotten to Boone Co, Arkansas yet but am planning to make the trip someday. My father's sister, Katherine Sandstead, is buried there at Zinc and I want to see her grave as well as the mine. My father was born there in Zinc in 1914. They were mining for lead and zinc. The metal was needed for the 1st World War. Family stories tell me that after the war the mines went bust. Family stories also tell me that Sarah and DW were divorced although I haven't seen any documention. Also, I've been told that DW came back to Lincoln, Nebraska where Sarah was living and she cared for him until he died. There is a death record for DW that shows him passing away in Pittsburg, Kansas (where his daughter Nancy Rogers lived). DW amd Saraj are both buried in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln. My parents Joyce and Russell Sandstead are both buried next to them. And my father's parents are in the plot on the other side. My father's mother was Maude May Cave Sandstead -- one of DW's daughters. I believe that if you look at the census for 1910 closely you will find Sarah V. Cave in the same boarding house as Thomas Cave and Nancy Rogers there in Harrison, Arkansas. She is listed as a guest and is hard to read but she is there. The same census lists DW as a real estate man although he was a lawyer and was known as Judge Cave there in Zinc. Most of the Sandsteads- Sandstedts left Harlan Co, Nebraska in 1909 and went to the area just west of Sterling, Colorado to homestead. I'm fairly sure Sarah was living in Lincoln at the time. She joined them and had her own homestead. There are a number of family stories about that time. One of them is that her house was a soddie and my uncle Ronald helped her shingle it while he was still a boy. Another was one my aunt Mildred related. A big rattler was found in the soddie and Grandmother Cave quiclly dispatched it and acted like it was nothing. My aunt was very impressed. Grandmother proved up on her homestead and sold it after the required 5 years. She then moved back to Lincoln where she bought a house. Her son Will Cave and daughter Maude Sandstead eventually owned homes within a couple of blocks of her home. My father lived with her for a year or so while in school. My grandmother Maude Cave Sandstead was in Colorado for a short time before going to stay in Washington with her sister Cora Cave Werlich. She took the younger kids with her and taught school while there. My grandfather Ed Sandstead and his brother Will Sandstead built the houses for the homesteads. The original ledgers for the homestead entrys are at the Federal Center in Denver, Colorado. DW did not homestead in Colorado but must have come for visits from Arkansas. He convinced my grandmother and grandfather Sandstead to come to Zinc and help him mine. My grandfather build houses and taught school there in Zinc. Grandmother Maude hated being there in Zinc. She considered the people to be very uncivilized. Zinc was a very rough and tumble mining town. After my Uncle Ronald saw a shootout between the Sheriff and a father and son who were causing trouble, my grandmother had had enough. She told Grandfather Ed that she was going back to Lincoln with or without him. He decided to leave also. So much for now. I would appreciate it if you could let me know what you have found about the family and where you found them. I knew from the 1880 census that DW had a daughter called Birdie but no one on my side of the family had ever heard of her. Where did you find her name to be Dora? There is so much that I know but so very much that I don't. The more of us who work on this the better. I'd certainly appreciate any information that you can send me. Thanks -- Ron Sandstead 337 Calhoun Ave Destin, FL 32541 850-837-0327 >From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:22:59 -0600 > >It has been written: >"... Here in Zinc, Ark., where Dennis was a judge and justice of peace, he >looked after his extensive >mining and agriculture interests, together with his brother and his >daughter >Nancy (the writer's grandmother) up until his death on Sept. 7, 1923." > >I have been trying to verify some of this and have had some problems: >1) I find Dennis W Cave in the census of 1900 at Harrison Twp, Boone >County, >Arkansas, living by himself in (probably) a boarding house. He shows to be >married but none of his family is with him. >2) I can not find D.W., nor his wife, in either the 1910 or 1920 census. >3) I find his daughter Nancy (Rogers) in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, >AR >in 1910 living next door to Thomas Cave, the brother of Dennis. >4) Subsequently, Nancy is found in Pittsburg, Kansas in 1910 and 1920. > >It doesn't seem that either brother Thomas or daughter Nancy ever joined DW >in Zinc, AR, so I guess they would have helped him manage his extensive >holdings via long distance, as even brother Thomas appears to have returned >to Kansas before 1910. > >What I am mostly wondering about is Sarah, the wife of Dennis. She died in >1932 and is buried with him in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln, NE as Sarah Cave. >Where was she during the period 1900-1932? (I haven't looked for her in >1930 >census) > >One more question - Dennis and Sarah had a daughter Dora ("Birdie"?) born >about 1880. What was her fate? > >Thanks for any guidance on where to find more information or just answers >to >my questions. >Jim > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507

Hi Sue Ellen, There were several of the Jennings County, Indiana CAVEs that went to south west Nebraska around 1871-72 and then on to Bird City, Kansas about 1885. They were very involved in the establishment of that area, but guess it got too civilized for them and most moved on before 1900. Dennis William participated in the Oklahoma land rush about 1893 and obtained a homestead in Guthrie. Things were too tame there and he moved on to Boone County, Arkansas just before the turn of the century. It is said that he was instrumental in the establishment of the town of Zinc and had an interest in the lead and zinc mines. One of the mines that was developed, named Coke Hollow Mine, was owned jointly with his son-in-law, James Rogers. James was killed in a cave-in of the mine in 1911 while inspecting the tunnel. The Cave family is a VERY remote connection to my Elliott family, but when I made the connection, I just could not help but get interested in the line. They were an extremely industrious group - as were their ancestors and descendants. A family to be admired! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "S&R Ash" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C > Welcome Jim, > Hope someone has this line of CAVE family in a > data base and can give you some help. I dont have > any Arkansas family data. What sort of mining was > this? Do you know? > Its interesting to me that there is a Kansas connection > as my CAVE family were in Wilson county KS. > No connection to your family that I am aware of. > Best Wishes > > Sue Ellen CAVE ASH > CAVE list manager > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Welcome Jim, Hope someone has this line of CAVE family in a data base and can give you some help. I dont have any Arkansas family data. What sort of mining was this? Do you know? Its interesting to me that there is a Kansas connection as my CAVE family were in Wilson county KS. No connection to your family that I am aware of. Best Wishes Sue Ellen CAVE ASH CAVE list manager

It has been written: "... Here in Zinc, Ark., where Dennis was a judge and justice of peace, he looked after his extensive mining and agriculture interests, together with his brother and his daughter Nancy (the writer's grandmother) up until his death on Sept. 7, 1923." I have been trying to verify some of this and have had some problems: 1) I find Dennis W Cave in the census of 1900 at Harrison Twp, Boone County, Arkansas, living by himself in (probably) a boarding house. He shows to be married but none of his family is with him. 2) I can not find D.W., nor his wife, in either the 1910 or 1920 census. 3) I find his daughter Nancy (Rogers) in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, AR in 1910 living next door to Thomas Cave, the brother of Dennis. 4) Subsequently, Nancy is found in Pittsburg, Kansas in 1910 and 1920. It doesn't seem that either brother Thomas or daughter Nancy ever joined DW in Zinc, AR, so I guess they would have helped him manage his extensive holdings via long distance, as even brother Thomas appears to have returned to Kansas before 1910. What I am mostly wondering about is Sarah, the wife of Dennis. She died in 1932 and is buried with him in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln, NE as Sarah Cave. Where was she during the period 1900-1932? (I haven't looked for her in 1930 census) One more question - Dennis and Sarah had a daughter Dora ("Birdie"?) born about 1880. What was her fate? Thanks for any guidance on where to find more information or just answers to my questions. Jim

I have been informed that one of our Cave list members of recent years, Norman Bushee, has died July 12 2007 in Indiana I have his obit if anyone would like a copy His son notified us today. I see that there is a small file at Rootsweb by Norman showing his CAVE connections. I have no idea how long it will remain online so if you are interested type in his name on the home page search boxes. He will be deeply missed. He was also a member of my private family website for several years. Sue Ellen Ash List manager Friendship is a promise made in the Heart, Unbreakable by distance, unchangeable by time.

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Hi list, in total six CAVE Wills were proved at Derby between 1858-1928. A couple would seem top indicate that the testator once lived outside the County and a possible "lost" ancestor as a result. Eliza Wright CAVE of Barlborough. Will proved 1920 Ida Gabrielle CAVE Derby and Bath, Somerset. 1912 Sarah CAVE of Latham, Lancs. and Glossop 1887 Thomas CAVE of Derby 1904 William CAVE of Belper 1882 William CAVE of Makeney, Dbys 1917 mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

http://books.google.com Essays and Illustrations Referred to in the Literary Anecdotes of the Eighteenth Century Pgs 56-58 A good portrait of Mr. Cave, by Worlidge, after the manner of Rembrandt, was inserted in the Gentleman's Magazine for 1754, vol. XXIV. p. 55, and is prefixed to the present volume. There is another portrait of him, by Grignion, wit emblematic devices, and this inscription: "Edward Cave, ob. 10 Jan. 1754, aetat. 62. The first Projector of the Monthly Magazines. Th' Invention all admired, and each how he To be th' Inventor miss'd." Mr. Cave was buried in the church of St. James, Clerkenwell; but the following to the memory of his father and himself, which was written by Dr. Hawkesworth, is placed on a table monument in the North-west church-yard at Rugsby: "Near this place lies the body of Joseph Cave, late of this parish, who departed this life Nov. 18, 1747, aged 80 years. He was placed by Providence in a humble station; but Industry abundantly supplied his wants, and Temperance blest him with Content and Health. As he was an affectionate Father, he was made happy in the decline of life by the deserved eminence of his eldest son Edward Cave; who, without interest, fortune, or conections, by the native force of his own Genius, assisted only by a classical Education, which he received in the Grammar-school of this Town, planned, executed, and established a Literary Work, called The Gentleman's Magazine; whereby he acquired an ample Fortune, the whole of which devolved to his family. Here also lies the body of Esther his wife, who died Dec. 30, 1734, aged 69 years." On the North side of the same tomb: "Here also lies the body of William Cave, second son of the said Joseph and Esther Cave, who died May 2, 1757, aged 62 years; and who, having survived his elder brother Edward Cave, inherited from him a competent estate; and, in gratitude to his benefactor, ordered this monument, to perpetuate his memory. He liv'd a Patriarch in his numerous race, And shew'd in charity a Christian's grace; Whate'er a friend or parent feels, he knew; His hand was open, and his heart was true; In what he gain'd and gave, he taught mankind, A grateful always is a generous mind. He rest his clay! his soul must more than rest; Who blest when living, dying must be blest. Here also lies the body of Judith, wife of the said William Cave, who died Feb. 11, 1748, aged 56 years." On the South side: "Here lies the body of Joseph Cave, son of Joseph and Esther Cave, who died Nov. 18, 1738, aged 42 years. Also the body of Sarah, wife of the said Joseph Cave who died March 13, 1750, aged 56 years." The following inscription was placed on a flat stone in the old church of St. James Clerkenwell, to the memory of the late Mr. Richard Cave*, of St. John's gate, who died Sept. 8, 1766; and of his wife, who survived him about six years: "Reader, if the native worth may claim a tear, Or the sad tale of death affect thy ear, Heave from thy breast one sympathising sigh, Since here such fair examples mouldering lie. Here lies a pair, whom Honesty approv'd, In death lamented, and in life belov'd; Who never meant a neighbour to offend; Who never made a foe, nor lost a friend; Whose only strife was, who should act the best; Whose only hope, to rise among the blest." * Nephew to the original projector of the Magazine, and, from 1754 till 1760, the printer of it, in conjunction with my late worthy friend David Henry, esq. who wrote the above epitaph, and whose laudable eexertions long supported and increased the original credit of what Mr. Burke styled "one of the most chaste and instructive Misscellanies of the age." Annual Register, 1780, p. 184

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maureenbryson/id82.htm Other Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire Parish Register Abstracts Hemington Marriage: 10 Jul 1613 - Edward Blackwell & Mary Canv? (Cave, Cue??) Little Oakley Marriage: 9 Jul 1699 - Hugh CAVE & Jane Humphreys bo Kettering Warkton Christenings: . 5 Aug 1560 - Nycholas s/o Lyon CAVE . 5 Jan 1560/1 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 19 Nov 1559 - Thomas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 10 Apr 1563 - Nycholas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 23 Mar 1565 - George s/o Lyon CAVE . 8 Jun 1565 - Mary d/o Nicholas CAVE . 30 Jul 1566 - Edward s/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Oct 1566 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Apr 1569 - Amee d/o Lyon Cave . 8 Jan 1570 - Ammy d/o Nicholas CAVE . 24 Jan 1572 - Elizabeth d/o Lyon CAVE . 21 Apr 1574 - Joane d/o Lyon CAVE . 1 5 Jan 1576 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 15 Jan 1578/9 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 7 Jul 1579 - William s/o Lyon CAVE . 6 Jan? 1582 - Mary d/o Lyon CAVE . 2_ Apr 1599 - George s/o Edward CAVE . 19 Apr 1601 - Jhon s/o Edward CAVE and Margery . 3 Apr 1602 - Annis d/o Edward CAVE . 30 Mar 1605 - Edward CAVE s/o Edward and Margerie . 1606 - Robert CAVE s/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 29 Jan 1608 - Lyon CAVE . (b.) 10 Dec 1611 - Alice d/o Edward and Margerie CAVE . 24 Feb 1613 - Susanna d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 1 Oct 1615 - Jhon CAVE (no parents listed) . 7 Sep 1617 - Martha CAVE d/o Edward CAVE . 7 Feb 1618 - Joseph s/o William CAVE and Alice . Mar1618 - Temperence d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie? . 22 Aug 1624 - Abigaile d/o William CAVE and Alice . 23 Oct 1625 - Marie d/o George CAVE . 16 May 1628 - Elizabeth d/o George Cave and Cicilie . 1629 - William Cave - s/o William Cave and Alice . 9 Oct 1631 - Susanna - d/o George Cave and Cicile . 3 Aug 1634 - Sara - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 30 Apr 1635 - Thomas - s/o Will. Cave and Alice . 12 Mar 1636 - George - s/o George Cave and Cicely . 21 Jun 1640 - Alice - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 1666 - Elizabeth Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy b. May 3rd. . 11 Aug 1667 - Mary Cave - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 29 Mar 1668 - Georg Cave - s/o Georg and Dorothy . 1669 (after Dec 21) - Elizabeth - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 1669 (after above) - William - s/o George Cave and Dorothy . 1671 - Edward - s/o George and Dorothy . 21 Jul 1672 - William and John - twin sons of William Cave and Dorothy . Dec 1677 Mary - d/o George Cave . 5 Nov 1678 - William - s/o William and Dorothy . 9 Nov 1679 - Dorothy Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy his wife . 9 Mar 1681 - John - s/o George and Dorothy Cave . 19 Sep 1682 - Robert - s/o George Howe . 9 Jan 1685 - Samuel - s/o Geo. And Dorothy Cave . 26 Nov 1687 - Dorothy - d/o Frances Joyce unlawfully begotten by . George Cave ye younger (as she avoweth) . 1693 Daniel - s/o William Cave ye younger born 7 Nov 1693 . [buried 16 Nov not baptized] . 1701 James - s/o William Cave and Mary his wife, not baptized as we . know of born 25 July Warkton Marriages: . 9 Dec 1577 - Jhon CAVE of Weekley and Ann or Amee CAVE of Warkton . 14 Nov 1579 - Lyon CAVE and Margaret Brett . 23 Oct 1587 - Humfrey Hunt and Annis CAVE . 15 Jun 1598 - Edward CAVE and Margery Howe . 31 Nov 1634 Edward Dowtie [?] and Alice CAVE . 28 Jul 1689 - William CAVE and Mary Horiman (?) . 16 Jun 1706 - John Hopper of Great Gidden and Dorothy CAVE, otp . 9 Apr 1710 - Samuel CAVE and Susanna Kirk botp Warkton Burials: . 11 Apr 1559 - Nycholas CAVE . 20 Sep 1560 - Richard CAVE . 10 Aug 1564 - Jhon CAVE . 14 Nov 1564 - Edward CAVE . 25 Oct 1580 - Jhon CAVE . 6 Jan 1591 - Lyon CAVE . 2 Mar 1641 - Margaret CAVE wife of Edw CAVE . 12 Apr 1651 - Alic d/o George CAVE and Cicely . 17 Mar or Mai [sic?] 1654 - Elizabeth CAVE d/o George CAVE . 13 Aug 1654 - Alice CAVE wife of William CAVE . 12 Feb 1659 - Cicely CAVE wife to Georg CAVE . 26 Jan 1668 - William CAVE the elder . 23 Mar 1682 - George CAVE . 16 Nov 1693 - Daniel s/o William CAVE ye younger and Mary his wife, . "was not baptized as we know of" . 30 Jul 1700 - Sarah CAVE . __ (15 or 18?) Aug 1706 - William CAVE . 15 Oct 1708 - George CAVE . 16 Jan 1711 - Dorothy wife of George CAVE

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maureenbryson/id82.htm Other Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire Parish Register Abstracts Hemington Marriage: 10 Jul 1613 - Edward Blackwell & Mary Canv? (Cave, Cue??) Little Oakley Marriage: 9 Jul 1699 - Hugh CAVE & Jane Humphreys bo Kettering Warkton Christenings: . 5 Aug 1560 - Nycholas s/o Lyon CAVE . 5 Jan 1560/1 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 19 Nov 1559 - Thomas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 10 Apr 1563 - Nycholas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 23 Mar 1565 - George s/o Lyon CAVE . 8 Jun 1565 - Mary d/o Nicholas CAVE . 30 Jul 1566 - Edward s/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Oct 1566 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Apr 1569 - Amee d/o Lyon Cave . 8 Jan 1570 - Ammy d/o Nicholas CAVE . 24 Jan 1572 - Elizabeth d/o Lyon CAVE . 21 Apr 1574 - Joane d/o Lyon CAVE . 1 5 Jan 1576 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 15 Jan 1578/9 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 7 Jul 1579 - William s/o Lyon CAVE . 6 Jan? 1582 - Mary d/o Lyon CAVE . 2_ Apr 1599 - George s/o Edward CAVE . 19 Apr 1601 - Jhon s/o Edward CAVE and Margery . 3 Apr 1602 - Annis d/o Edward CAVE . 30 Mar 1605 - Edward CAVE s/o Edward and Margerie . 1606 - Robert CAVE s/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 29 Jan 1608 - Lyon CAVE . (b.) 10 Dec 1611 - Alice d/o Edward and Margerie CAVE . 24 Feb 1613 - Susanna d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 1 Oct 1615 - Jhon CAVE (no parents listed) . 7 Sep 1617 - Martha CAVE d/o Edward CAVE . 7 Feb 1618 - Joseph s/o William CAVE and Alice . Mar1618 - Temperence d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie? . 22 Aug 1624 - Abigaile d/o William CAVE and Alice . 23 Oct 1625 - Marie d/o George CAVE . 16 May 1628 - Elizabeth d/o George Cave and Cicilie . 1629 - William Cave - s/o William Cave and Alice . 9 Oct 1631 - Susanna - d/o George Cave and Cicile . 3 Aug 1634 - Sara - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 30 Apr 1635 - Thomas - s/o Will. Cave and Alice . 12 Mar 1636 - George - s/o George Cave and Cicely . 21 Jun 1640 - Alice - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 1666 - Elizabeth Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy b. May 3rd. . 11 Aug 1667 - Mary Cave - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 29 Mar 1668 - Georg Cave - s/o Georg and Dorothy . 1669 (after Dec 21) - Elizabeth - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 1669 (after above) - William - s/o George Cave and Dorothy . 1671 - Edward - s/o George and Dorothy . 21 Jul 1672 - William and John - twin sons of William Cave and Dorothy . Dec 1677 Mary - d/o George Cave . 5 Nov 1678 - William - s/o William and Dorothy . 9 Nov 1679 - Dorothy Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy his wife . 9 Mar 1681 - John - s/o George and Dorothy Cave . 19 Sep 1682 - Robert - s/o George Howe . 9 Jan 1685 - Samuel - s/o Geo. And Dorothy Cave . 26 Nov 1687 - Dorothy - d/o Frances Joyce unlawfully begotten by . George Cave ye younger (as she avoweth) . 1693 Daniel - s/o William Cave ye younger born 7 Nov 1693 . [buried 16 Nov not baptized] . 1701 James - s/o William Cave and Mary his wife, not baptized as we . know of born 25 July Warkton Marriages: . 9 Dec 1577 - Jhon CAVE of Weekley and Ann or Amee CAVE of Warkton . 14 Nov 1579 - Lyon CAVE and Margaret Brett . 23 Oct 1587 - Humfrey Hunt and Annis CAVE . 15 Jun 1598 - Edward CAVE and Margery Howe . 31 Nov 1634 Edward Dowtie [?] and Alice CAVE . 28 Jul 1689 - William CAVE and Mary Horiman (?) . 16 Jun 1706 - John Hopper of Great Gidden and Dorothy CAVE, otp . 9 Apr 1710 - Samuel CAVE and Susanna Kirk botp Warkton Burials: . 11 Apr 1559 - Nycholas CAVE . 20 Sep 1560 - Richard CAVE . 10 Aug 1564 - Jhon CAVE . 14 Nov 1564 - Edward CAVE . 25 Oct 1580 - Jhon CAVE . 6 Jan 1591 - Lyon CAVE . 2 Mar 1641 - Margaret CAVE wife of Edw CAVE . 12 Apr 1651 - Alic d/o George CAVE and Cicely . 17 Mar or Mai [sic?] 1654 - Elizabeth CAVE d/o George CAVE . 13 Aug 1654 - Alice CAVE wife of William CAVE . 12 Feb 1659 - Cicely CAVE wife to Georg CAVE . 26 Jan 1668 - William CAVE the elder . 23 Mar 1682 - George CAVE . 16 Nov 1693 - Daniel s/o William CAVE ye younger and Mary his wife, . "was not baptized as we know of" . 30 Jul 1700 - Sarah CAVE . __ (15 or 18?) Aug 1706 - William CAVE . 15 Oct 1708 - George CAVE . 16 Jan 1711 - Dorothy wife of George CAVE

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maureenbryson/id82.htm Other Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire Parish Register Abstracts Hemington Marriage: 10 Jul 1613 - Edward Blackwell & Mary Canv? (Cave, Cue??) Little Oakley Marriage: 9 Jul 1699 - Hugh CAVE & Jane Humphreys bo Kettering Warkton Christenings: . 5 Aug 1560 - Nycholas s/o Lyon CAVE . 5 Jan 1560/1 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 19 Nov 1559 - Thomas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 10 Apr 1563 - Nycholas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 23 Mar 1565 - George s/o Lyon CAVE . 8 Jun 1565 - Mary d/o Nicholas CAVE . 30 Jul 1566 - Edward s/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Oct 1566 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Apr 1569 - Amee d/o Lyon Cave . 8 Jan 1570 - Ammy d/o Nicholas CAVE . 24 Jan 1572 - Elizabeth d/o Lyon CAVE . 21 Apr 1574 - Joane d/o Lyon CAVE . 1 5 Jan 1576 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 15 Jan 1578/9 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 7 Jul 1579 - William s/o Lyon CAVE . 6 Jan? 1582 - Mary d/o Lyon CAVE . 2_ Apr 1599 - George s/o Edward CAVE . 19 Apr 1601 - Jhon s/o Edward CAVE and Margery . 3 Apr 1602 - Annis d/o Edward CAVE . 30 Mar 1605 - Edward CAVE s/o Edward and Margerie . 1606 - Robert CAVE s/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 29 Jan 1608 - Lyon CAVE . (b.) 10 Dec 1611 - Alice d/o Edward and Margerie CAVE . 24 Feb 1613 - Susanna d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 1 Oct 1615 - Jhon CAVE (no parents listed) . 7 Sep 1617 - Martha CAVE d/o Edward CAVE . 7 Feb 1618 - Joseph s/o William CAVE and Alice . Mar1618 - Temperence d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie? . 22 Aug 1624 - Abigaile d/o William CAVE and Alice . 23 Oct 1625 - Marie d/o George CAVE . 16 May 1628 - Elizabeth d/o George Cave and Cicilie . 1629 - William Cave - s/o William Cave and Alice . 9 Oct 1631 - Susanna - d/o George Cave and Cicile . 3 Aug 1634 - Sara - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 30 Apr 1635 - Thomas - s/o Will. Cave and Alice . 12 Mar 1636 - George - s/o George Cave and Cicely . 21 Jun 1640 - Alice - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 1666 - Elizabeth Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy b. May 3rd. . 11 Aug 1667 - Mary Cave - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 29 Mar 1668 - Georg Cave - s/o Georg and Dorothy . 1669 (after Dec 21) - Elizabeth - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 1669 (after above) - William - s/o George Cave and Dorothy . 1671 - Edward - s/o George and Dorothy . 21 Jul 1672 - William and John - twin sons of William Cave and Dorothy . Dec 1677 Mary - d/o George Cave . 5 Nov 1678 - William - s/o William and Dorothy . 9 Nov 1679 - Dorothy Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy his wife . 9 Mar 1681 - John - s/o George and Dorothy Cave . 19 Sep 1682 - Robert - s/o George Howe . 9 Jan 1685 - Samuel - s/o Geo. And Dorothy Cave . 26 Nov 1687 - Dorothy - d/o Frances Joyce unlawfully begotten by . George Cave ye younger (as she avoweth) . 1693 Daniel - s/o William Cave ye younger born 7 Nov 1693 . [buried 16 Nov not baptized] . 1701 James - s/o William Cave and Mary his wife, not baptized as we . know of born 25 July Warkton Marriages: . 9 Dec 1577 - Jhon CAVE of Weekley and Ann or Amee CAVE of Warkton . 14 Nov 1579 - Lyon CAVE and Margaret Brett . 23 Oct 1587 - Humfrey Hunt and Annis CAVE . 15 Jun 1598 - Edward CAVE and Margery Howe . 31 Nov 1634 Edward Dowtie [?] and Alice CAVE . 28 Jul 1689 - William CAVE and Mary Horiman (?) . 16 Jun 1706 - John Hopper of Great Gidden and Dorothy CAVE, otp . 9 Apr 1710 - Samuel CAVE and Susanna Kirk botp Warkton Burials: . 11 Apr 1559 - Nycholas CAVE . 20 Sep 1560 - Richard CAVE . 10 Aug 1564 - Jhon CAVE . 14 Nov 1564 - Edward CAVE . 25 Oct 1580 - Jhon CAVE . 6 Jan 1591 - Lyon CAVE . 2 Mar 1641 - Margaret CAVE wife of Edw CAVE . 12 Apr 1651 - Alic d/o George CAVE and Cicely . 17 Mar or Mai [sic?] 1654 - Elizabeth CAVE d/o George CAVE . 13 Aug 1654 - Alice CAVE wife of William CAVE . 12 Feb 1659 - Cicely CAVE wife to Georg CAVE . 26 Jan 1668 - William CAVE the elder . 23 Mar 1682 - George CAVE . 16 Nov 1693 - Daniel s/o William CAVE ye younger and Mary his wife, . "was not baptized as we know of" . 30 Jul 1700 - Sarah CAVE . __ (15 or 18?) Aug 1706 - William CAVE . 15 Oct 1708 - George CAVE . 16 Jan 1711 - Dorothy wife of George CAVE

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maureenbryson/id82.htm Other Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire Parish Register Abstracts Hemington Marriage: 10 Jul 1613 - Edward Blackwell & Mary Canv? (Cave, Cue??) Little Oakley Marriage: 9 Jul 1699 - Hugh CAVE & Jane Humphreys bo Kettering Warkton Christenings: . 5 Aug 1560 - Nycholas s/o Lyon CAVE . 5 Jan 1560/1 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 19 Nov 1559 - Thomas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 10 Apr 1563 - Nycholas s/o Nycholas CAVE . 23 Mar 1565 - George s/o Lyon CAVE . 8 Jun 1565 - Mary d/o Nicholas CAVE . 30 Jul 1566 - Edward s/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Oct 1566 - Amee d/o Lyon CAVE . 11 Apr 1569 - Amee d/o Lyon Cave . 8 Jan 1570 - Ammy d/o Nicholas CAVE . 24 Jan 1572 - Elizabeth d/o Lyon CAVE . 21 Apr 1574 - Joane d/o Lyon CAVE . 1 5 Jan 1576 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 15 Jan 1578/9 - Richard s/o Lyon CAVE . 7 Jul 1579 - William s/o Lyon CAVE . 6 Jan? 1582 - Mary d/o Lyon CAVE . 2_ Apr 1599 - George s/o Edward CAVE . 19 Apr 1601 - Jhon s/o Edward CAVE and Margery . 3 Apr 1602 - Annis d/o Edward CAVE . 30 Mar 1605 - Edward CAVE s/o Edward and Margerie . 1606 - Robert CAVE s/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 29 Jan 1608 - Lyon CAVE . (b.) 10 Dec 1611 - Alice d/o Edward and Margerie CAVE . 24 Feb 1613 - Susanna d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie . 1 Oct 1615 - Jhon CAVE (no parents listed) . 7 Sep 1617 - Martha CAVE d/o Edward CAVE . 7 Feb 1618 - Joseph s/o William CAVE and Alice . Mar1618 - Temperence d/o Edward CAVE and Margerie? . 22 Aug 1624 - Abigaile d/o William CAVE and Alice . 23 Oct 1625 - Marie d/o George CAVE . 16 May 1628 - Elizabeth d/o George Cave and Cicilie . 1629 - William Cave - s/o William Cave and Alice . 9 Oct 1631 - Susanna - d/o George Cave and Cicile . 3 Aug 1634 - Sara - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 30 Apr 1635 - Thomas - s/o Will. Cave and Alice . 12 Mar 1636 - George - s/o George Cave and Cicely . 21 Jun 1640 - Alice - d/o George Cave and Cicely . 1666 - Elizabeth Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy b. May 3rd. . 11 Aug 1667 - Mary Cave - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 29 Mar 1668 - Georg Cave - s/o Georg and Dorothy . 1669 (after Dec 21) - Elizabeth - d/o William Cave and Dorothy . 1669 (after above) - William - s/o George Cave and Dorothy . 1671 - Edward - s/o George and Dorothy . 21 Jul 1672 - William and John - twin sons of William Cave and Dorothy . Dec 1677 Mary - d/o George Cave . 5 Nov 1678 - William - s/o William and Dorothy . 9 Nov 1679 - Dorothy Cave - d/o George Cave and Dorothy his wife . 9 Mar 1681 - John - s/o George and Dorothy Cave . 19 Sep 1682 - Robert - s/o George Howe . 9 Jan 1685 - Samuel - s/o Geo. And Dorothy Cave . 26 Nov 1687 - Dorothy - d/o Frances Joyce unlawfully begotten by . George Cave ye younger (as she avoweth) . 1693 Daniel - s/o William Cave ye younger born 7 Nov 1693 . [buried 16 Nov not baptized] . 1701 James - s/o William Cave and Mary his wife, not baptized as we . know of born 25 July Warkton Marriages: . 9 Dec 1577 - Jhon CAVE of Weekley and Ann or Amee CAVE of Warkton . 14 Nov 1579 - Lyon CAVE and Margaret Brett . 23 Oct 1587 - Humfrey Hunt and Annis CAVE . 15 Jun 1598 - Edward CAVE and Margery Howe . 31 Nov 1634 Edward Dowtie [?] and Alice CAVE . 28 Jul 1689 - William CAVE and Mary Horiman (?) . 16 Jun 1706 - John Hopper of Great Gidden and Dorothy CAVE, otp . 9 Apr 1710 - Samuel CAVE and Susanna Kirk botp Warkton Burials: . 11 Apr 1559 - Nycholas CAVE . 20 Sep 1560 - Richard CAVE . 10 Aug 1564 - Jhon CAVE . 14 Nov 1564 - Edward CAVE . 25 Oct 1580 - Jhon CAVE . 6 Jan 1591 - Lyon CAVE . 2 Mar 1641 - Margaret CAVE wife of Edw CAVE . 12 Apr 1651 - Alic d/o George CAVE and Cicely . 17 Mar or Mai [sic?] 1654 - Elizabeth CAVE d/o George CAVE . 13 Aug 1654 - Alice CAVE wife of William CAVE . 12 Feb 1659 - Cicely CAVE wife to Georg CAVE . 26 Jan 1668 - William CAVE the elder . 23 Mar 1682 - George CAVE . 16 Nov 1693 - Daniel s/o William CAVE ye younger and Mary his wife, . "was not baptized as we know of" . 30 Jul 1700 - Sarah CAVE . __ (15 or 18?) Aug 1706 - William CAVE . 15 Oct 1708 - George CAVE . 16 Jan 1711 - Dorothy wife of George CAVE

www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Lbth/Bk21/page%20070.htm Medieval & Tudor Kent Wills at Lambeth William Cave - Will 17 July 1413 WILLIAM CAVE, rector of the parish church of Wodechirch (Woodchurch) seeing that many things befall mortals and that nothing is so certain as death etc. and because it is necessary for me expressly to go over the sea with my King Henry of England (cum Rege meo Henrico Anglie). Therefore I the said William 17 July 1413 make my will etc. My body to be religiously (ecclesiastice) buried where it shall please God. To Emmotte Cave my mother 4 marcs. To Nicholas Cave my brother 40s. To Isabelle Cave "filie mee" 4 marcs. To William Raby my servant 40s and my horse with saddle, bridle etc., on condition he is a good and faithful servant to me and proceeds in the journey aforesaid which I intend to fulfil. To Robert Styrope 'skynner' of London 20s. I will my executors pay all my debts. Firstly to Richard Lynne draper 3 marcs and a half, to Thomas Hauke colierman next Waltham Cross 2 marcs. I will my executors pay to the said Thomas Hauke 10s perannum for the keeping of my daughter (filie mee) aforesaide and if my goods will not permit then so much of the 5 marcs assigned to her to make up the sum. After my debts etc. are paid a trentall to be said for my soul. Executors: Robert Stirope and John Heyne 'taillour'. Dated at London. Witnesses Master Hugh Boneton, clerk, notary public, Hugh Anglysey and Hugh Coyne. Proved 13 November 1415. [281b Chichele I] [Note: it is possible he may have been present at Agincourt 25 October 1415]

Publication 20 February 1719. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Related See also the following surname(s): Beverly. Note Location: King and Queen County. Grantee(s): Beverley, Robert and Jones, Thomas. Description: 15,000 acres in the Counties of Essex and King and Queen beginning &c. by Rappahannock River side, being the corner of a patent granted to James Harrison, John Bowzee and the Four orphans of George Motts, dated Novr. 29, 1674, beginning &c. by the side of Warners River, in John Cave land. Source: Land Office Patents No. 10, 1710-1719, p. 455 (Reel 10). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Not at all, I mean this is probably the will of Brian's Valentine Cave. But Jane also found a will of another Valentine Cave in 1606...so there must be earlier generations with this unusual name. Michael In a message dated 6/30/2007 7:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, The following is the full entry that Jane found. Since the will is dated 1652, it is not inconsistent with Brian's Valentine b. 1581 - or am I missing something? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Michael, The following is the full entry that Jane found. Since the will is dated 1652, it is not inconsistent with Brian's Valentine b. 1581 - or am I missing something? Description: Will of Valentine Cave, Yeoman of Wilby, Northamptonshire Date 29 October 1652 Catalogue reference PROB 11/223 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Name of Register: Bowyer Quire Numbers: 154 - 195 Image contains 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 55 / 586 PDF 1.2 1 813 3 3.50 Total Price (£) 3.50 ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Valentine Cave Jim, I don't know who sent his dna in but I suspect it must be Brian Cave, whose genealogy from the Cave Family History Society in England is as follows (from their website..no other details available). [Brian Cave (452) Cave of Maidford, NTH Brian’s parents were Richard (1912) and Eileen C Brewer, then Henry George (1881) and Elizabeth Schofield of Maidford; Richard (1832) and Fanny Reeve; William (1797) and Susannah Hollaway; Richard (1775) and Ann Cooper of Thorpe Mandeville; Thomas (c1745) and Sarah Bartlett; Thomas (1714) and Elizabeth of Guilsborough; William (1685) and Joice; John (1661) and his first wife Elizabeth Seamark; John (1624) and Elizabeth Hide and so to Valentine (c1585) and Agnes. ] I think that there was another lineage I saw which indicated that this Valentine Cave died in 1652...so this probably is the same man. Obviously it would not be the Valentine Cave that Jane found, whose will was probated in 1606. I guess I will join that Society..then they give out the emails of members. Alternatively I can ask Hugh Cave, President of the Society, whom I have been "email corresponding" with. Michael In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, do you have any way to contact the Valentine desc in England to see if he thinks this could be his ancestor Valentine. Alternatively, he could provide us with specifics on his Valentine. Jim Cave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com.