In a message dated 8/9/2007 5:04:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jim Cave (that's me) got the results of the first phase of his Y-DNA Test (12 markers). The testing company reported an exact match for 7 other Cave males including T. Randall Cave who has been mentioned before by Mike as a South Carolina Cave. There were 3 Brians, but I can't tell who they are yet. I will be getting the results of the 37 markers soon. This T. Randall Cave is a descendant of the John Cave who fought in the Revolution, and who married Sarah Wilson Brown. They later moved to South Carolina. I think Brian Cave is a descendant of Valentine Cave of Northamptonshire, England. Mike ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Jim Cave (that's me) got the results of the first phase of his Y-DNA Test (12 markers). The testing company reported an exact match for 7 other Cave males including T. Randall Cave who has been mentioned before by Mike as a South Carolina Cave. There were 3 Brians, but I can't tell who they are yet. I will be getting the results of the 37 markers soon. Hugh Cave of the Cave Family History Society in England also got the results and said: "I have just got your 12 marker result. Good indication of the links with our "core" group. We need to define it with the 37 markers and see who you are related to." For info, Jim Cave

http://books.google.com/books?id=EvQfAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA355 Baronetage of England Containing a Genealogical and Historical Account of all the English Baronets Now Existing - published 1771 - Pages 355 to 365 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=XnoDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA293 Judges of England - Vol. II - pub. 1848 CAVE, JOHN DE - Just. 1254 Fines were acknowledged before John de CAVE from December 1254, 39 Henry III., till Michaelmas, 44 Henry III., 1260, but from the entries on the Rotulus de Finibus, it is evident he acted as a justicier till July 12, 1261. He seems to have gone one circuit only, viz. into Gloucestershire and Staffordshire, in the first year he sat on the bench. If H. Phillipps is right in stating that the baronets of that name of Stanford, in Northamptonshire, a title still existing, are descended from him, his ancestor was Jordane de CAVE, the brother of Wyamarus de CAVE, who received lands in North and South CAVE in Yorkshire, from William the Conqueror, and transferred them or Jordan. The lineage in Burke, however, contains no John de CAVE either in the reign of Henry III or in that of Edward I., when the name again occurs as a justicier. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://books.google.com/books?id=alwLAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA54&vq=cave Memoire of John Croke, Esquire Master Croke, about the year 1529 or earlier, married Prudentia, third d/o Richard CAVE, Esq, of Stanfart-upon-Avon in Northamptonshire, of ancient family, and sister to Sir Thomas CAVE, and to SirAmbrose CAVE, Chancellor of the Dutchy of Lancaster, of the Privy Council to Queen Elizabeth... ---------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=lBsIAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA415&vq=cave Diary of Henry Machyn, London - from 1550 to 1563 Burial of Sir Thomas CAVE The viij day of September (1558) was bered at Stamford beyond Northamtun- shyre, ser Thomas CAYFFE (CAVE), knyght, with iiij branchys, tapurs of wax, and penselles, with ij whyt branchys, and iiij dosen torchys and vj dosen of skochyons; with a standard and a cott-armur, and pennon of armes, and iiij baners of santes in owlle (oil), wroth with fyne gold, and many morners, and master Lankoster the harold. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=pjMEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA51 Visitation of Yorkshire: 1563 and 1564 (decendants of) John CAVE of CAVE in com. Yorke - pg 51 ---------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=lxUHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA2 Stanford Church and its Registers enter CAVE in the search box ---------------------------------------------------------- www.books.google.com New England Historical and Genealogical Register - Will and Inventory of Foulke Waldron The will of Abraham Walden of "The King's Head" Inn in the City of Coventry, Innholder, is dated Aug. 27, 1681. Land held by lease of the Mayor, Bailiffs and Comonality of City of Coventry lying and being in Whiteley in City of Coventry now in occupation of John CAVE, miller. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=aUUuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA402 Inscriptions on the Church Bells of Northamptonshire - publ. 1878 STANFORD - S. Nicolas - 5 Bells and a Priest's Bell The condition of the belfry here being so bad as to render it dangerous and difficult to approach the bells, I am unable to obtain rubbings of the inscriptions. The Vicar hopes shortly to be able to have the whole put into proper order. In 1700 the inscriptions were as under, and it is probable that nothing has been done to the bells since that date. 1. Sr. Thomas CAVE this bell hee gave 1631 ----------------------------------------------------------- http://books.google.com/books?id=h2gNAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA8-PA36 The Progresses and Public Processions of Queen Elizabeth. 1558-1559 The Lady Elizabeth was at her seat at Hatfield when Queen Mary died. Thither some great persons forthwith repaired to her; namely...... Sir Ambrose CAVE..... Note: Sir Ambrose CAVE, Knight. This Gentleman was one of those who owed their promotion rather to their attachment to Elizabeth and her Religion, than to any personal merit of their own. Having served the office of High Sheriff for Leicestershire and Warwickshire, and represented the latter County in two Parliaments, he appeared at Court on her accession, and was sworn of her Privy Council, and appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. He was fifth son of Richard CAVE, of Stanford, in the County of Northampton, by his secod wife Margaret, daughter of Thomas Saxby, of Northampton; married Maargaret,daughter and coheir of William Willington, of Barcheston, in Warwickshire, and died April 2, 1568,leaving an only child Margaret, who married Henry Knollys, son and heir of Sir Francis Knollys,K.G. The late Rev. Sir Charles CAVE, Bart. was descended from Sir Ambrose's eldest Brother.

http://books.google.com/books?id=IGANAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA92 The Progresses, Processions, and Magnificient Festivities, of King James the First The King's Entertainment in Belvoir Castle, 1603 ...in the morning, for before he went to breake his fast, he made these Knights whose names follow..... Sir Thomas CAVE, of Leicestershire. Sir Thomas CAVE was of a family of great antiquity in the counties of York, Northampton and Leicester. He was son of Roger CAVE, Esp. of Stanford in the counties of Northampton and Leicester, and Margaret, sister of Lord Treasurer Burleigh. He died September 6,1613 and has a magnificent tomb in Stanford Church, engraved in Nichols's Leicestershire, vol. IV. p. 357. His grandson Thomas was advanced to a Baronetcy June 30, 1641; whose decendant William is the present and ninth Baronet. ---------- Knights dubbed at Salden House on the 18th of June 1603 Sir Thomas CAVE of Northamptonsh. His son, of the same name, was knighted at Greenwich June 26, 1615; and his grandson, Sir Thomas was created a Baronet June 30, 1641 ------------- On 20 of July 1603, the King, at Hampton Court knighted Sir William CAVE of Oxfordshire ------------- Knights dubbed at Whitehall July 23, 1603 Sir Alexander CAVE of Leicestershire ----------------------------------------------------------

http://books.google.com/books?id=mwkCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA337#PPA341,M1 RUGBY SCHOOL REGISTER - Vol I from 1675 to 1849 Rugby founded in 1567 - registers commence 1675 Trustees: 1653 - Sir John CAVE, of Clifton, in the same County, Esq. 1682 - Oliver CAVE, of Clifton 1696 - Sir Roger CAVE, of Stanford, Bart. 1705 - Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. 1728 - Sir Verney CAVE, Bart. 1735 - Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. 1779 - Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. 1790 - Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. 1792 - Sir Charles CAVE, Bart. Entrants: 1679 - Ambrose CAVE, son of Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. of Stanford Hall. . Third s/o Sir Thomas CAVE, Knight, who was created a Baronet in . 1641 for his distingished services in the Civil Wars. He held the rank . of a Brigadier in the Life Guards, and was unfortunately salin, in 1690, . as he was sitting peaceably in his chair in public company, by an officer . of the name of Biron, whose life he had frequently spared, though many . provocations had caused frequent skirmishing between them; and in return . for his generosity, Mr. Biron ran his sword through the Brigadier's back . as he sat in his chair, of which would he soon died. The sword was left in his . body, but the offender fled, and was never discovered. 1682 - Thomas CAVE, son of Mr. Oliver CAVE, Clifton 1689 - Thomas CAVE, eldest son of Oliver CAVE, Esq. Clifton 1689 - Richard CAVE, second son of above 1689 - Brian CAVE, son of Mr. Oliver CAVE 1699 - Henry CAVE, son of Oliver CAVE, Esq. Coventry 1700 - Edward CAVE, Rugby (of Gentleman's Magazine) 1703 - Andrew CAVE, Catthorpe, Leic. eldest son 1703 - Thomas CAVE, brother of above 1712 - Verney, eldest son of Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. Stanford Hall 1720 - Thomas CAVE, s/o Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. Stanford Hall . succeeded his brother, Sir Verney CAVE as 5th Baronet. He was . Barrister-at-law of the Inner Temple. Died Aug 7, 1778. Trustee . of Rugby School. M.P. for Co. of Leicester. 1744 - Thomas CAVE, eldest son of Sir Thomas CAVE, Bart. Stanford Hall. . Succeeded his father as 6th Baronet in 1778. Trustee of Rugby School. . High Sheriff for Co. of Leicester, 1780. Daughter Sarah claimed and . recovered the Barony of Braye, which again fell in abeyance. . He d. May 31, 1780 1764 - William CAVE, s/o Mr. William CAVE, Rugby 1847 - Lewis William CAVE, son of Mrs. CAVE, Rugby, age 14 1848 - Henry Haddon CAVE, son of Mrs. CAVE, Rugby, aged 11 1849 - Ambrose Sneyd CAVE-BROWNE-CAVE, s/o of Sir John C-B-C, Bart, . Kenilworth, aged 14 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am researching the John Huston Caves Family from Tenn. He was born in 1837. his father was William Caves,dob 1799, I cannot seem to find any more info on this William anywhere. Would appreciate any help. My husband may be interested in the DNA test at a later date. June --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

Copy of a note I sent to Hugh Cave today: Dear Hugh, Perhaps the draft that follows will help with your Cave-fhs web page. James W. Cave (535) Cave of Virginia and Kentucky USA Descended from Robert Cave (died 1755) and wife Mary of Culpeper County, Virginia through their son William Cave (1738-1828) and wife Jeriah. Then Abner Cave (1785c-1868c) and second wife Elizabeth Booton; James Clark Cave (1838-1915) and wife Nancy Shively; Emory Lee Cave (1879-1930) and wife Lillie Bennett; Walter Thomas Cave (1912-1973) and wife Maude Hazel Cottrell. This line of Caves were in Kentucky after William (1738) and Abner (1785) moved there from Virginia shortly after 1800. Circumstances suggest that Robert Cave may have been a son of John Cave and wife ? Andrews of King and Queen and Stafford Counties, Virginia. John Cave's will is of record as having been proved in 1721 in Stafford County, but the will book is lost. Best to you, Jim Cave

Hey Sue Ellen: They do have tests for females, they just show different things. You cannot to my knowledge get the dna from your father's tooth. However any male cousin surnamed Cave can represent your line. In effect, Jim Cave is representing my Cave line, even though my Cave ancestress was born in the 1600's (Mary Cave Echols). Likewise I represent many who have Walker ancestry in Albemarle County Virginia. If anyone is interested in other family lines, they can go to familytreedna.com..or ysearch, to quite likely find cousins who represent those lines. They have thousands of surname research projects already. Hope this makes sense. Mike In a message dated 7/31/2007 2:46:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello all, This has been a busy discussion of late and most interesting. We seem to be making progress. I am still hoping they can extract from my Dad's tooth for the DNA they need. I have not had time to do more checking due to Mothers death and estate settlement. We have been so swapped at the farm. But I am still very much interested in the progress that is being made of all the VA CAVE families. Too bad we cannot use female DNA for this as there are plenty of us! Thanks to everyone who has posted information and results of connections. Will keep trying to contact some of the CAVE males in my lineage. Sue Ellen Cave Ash ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello all, This has been a busy discussion of late and most interesting. We seem to be making progress. I am still hoping they can extract from my Dad's tooth for the DNA they need. I have not had time to do more checking due to Mothers death and estate settlement. We have been so swapped at the farm. But I am still very much interested in the progress that is being made of all the VA CAVE families. Too bad we cannot use female DNA for this as there are plenty of us! Thanks to everyone who has posted information and results of connections. Will keep trying to contact some of the CAVE males in my lineage. Sue Ellen Cave Ash

I second that great! Does anyone know of a male surnamed Cave descendant of Bejamin Cave who could be convinced to join the project? Michael In a message dated 7/30/2007 2:19:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: GREAT! More the better. I am participating. Expect first results in about 3-4 weeks. My samples are being processed. I am from Robert CAVE 1700c-1755 of Orange, Culpeper etc. possible son of John of Stafford. Jim Cave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Robison" <[email protected]> To: "CAVE LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: [CAVE] another CAVE DNA project participant > One of my CAVE cousins has agreed to participate in the current DNA > project. He is a descendant of the Thomas Cave of Prince George's > County, MD, whose will was dated December 28, 1786, and probated April > 10, 1787. I have always suspected that this Cave family is related to > those in Virginia, but I have never been able to find that link. > Perhaps the results of this test will settle the matter once and for > all. (One reason that I suspect a connection is the fact that Thomas > Cave appears on the tax roll in Stafford County, VA, the year that he > died. His wife and children remained in various Virginia counties the > rest of their lives: Fauquier, Stafford, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and > Warren. I am descended through his son Samuel and grandson James Cave, > who did not leave Fauquier County until 1838.) Even if the test results > prove there is no link to the Virginia Cave families, I shall have > eliminated a lot of possibilities and can focus my research elsewhere. > Christmas may come early this year! > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

GREAT! More the better. I am participating. Expect first results in about 3-4 weeks. My samples are being processed. I am from Robert CAVE 1700c-1755 of Orange, Culpeper etc. possible son of John of Stafford. Jim Cave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Robison" <[email protected]> To: "CAVE LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: [CAVE] another CAVE DNA project participant > One of my CAVE cousins has agreed to participate in the current DNA > project. He is a descendant of the Thomas Cave of Prince George's > County, MD, whose will was dated December 28, 1786, and probated April > 10, 1787. I have always suspected that this Cave family is related to > those in Virginia, but I have never been able to find that link. > Perhaps the results of this test will settle the matter once and for > all. (One reason that I suspect a connection is the fact that Thomas > Cave appears on the tax roll in Stafford County, VA, the year that he > died. His wife and children remained in various Virginia counties the > rest of their lives: Fauquier, Stafford, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and > Warren. I am descended through his son Samuel and grandson James Cave, > who did not leave Fauquier County until 1838.) Even if the test results > prove there is no link to the Virginia Cave families, I shall have > eliminated a lot of possibilities and can focus my research elsewhere. > Christmas may come early this year! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hey Jim: Sure. I used the words "appears" and "early" for a reason. The Virginia Cave testee matches 10/12 to one of the Cave-Browne-Caves who has his line documented all the way back to Jordayne de Cave. This is one of the Baronetcies in the UK. 10/12 may or may not be a match. Testing at 12 markers doesn't always tell much. For example in a Townsend line, there was a 10/12 match with another person who shared a proven common ancestor in the early 1800's. When they expanded they matched much more closely. Right now the testee in the Cave line who has documentation back to the time of the Conquest is expanding his markers to 37. It will be interesting to see how many markers he matches with you and others. If quite a few, you (and the other Tidewater Cave descendants on this list and elsewhere) all share a common Cave ancestor. Also again as with any scientific sample, the more testees the better. What do you think of all these Valentines? A very unusual name. It must mean we are directly descended from that family as well. Michael In a message dated 7/29/2007 6:28:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael, you say "And it appears from early dna ecvidence, that this line does indeed go all the way back to Jordayne de Cave, who accompanied William the Conqueror in 1066!!!" Can you tell us any more about this? Jim ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

One of my CAVE cousins has agreed to participate in the current DNA project. He is a descendant of the Thomas Cave of Prince George's County, MD, whose will was dated December 28, 1786, and probated April 10, 1787. I have always suspected that this Cave family is related to those in Virginia, but I have never been able to find that link. Perhaps the results of this test will settle the matter once and for all. (One reason that I suspect a connection is the fact that Thomas Cave appears on the tax roll in Stafford County, VA, the year that he died. His wife and children remained in various Virginia counties the rest of their lives: Fauquier, Stafford, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and Warren. I am descended through his son Samuel and grandson James Cave, who did not leave Fauquier County until 1838.) Even if the test results prove there is no link to the Virginia Cave families, I shall have eliminated a lot of possibilities and can focus my research elsewhere. Christmas may come early this year!

http://books.google.com ----------------------------------------------------- The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Chas. Carter Esq'r having represented to this Board that he had lately purchased from Abm. Bledsoe and Benj. CAVE a Tract of Land lying upon Beaver dam Run of Hedgmans River in Orange County Granted to them by Patent bearing the date the eigth day of September MDCCXXVIII and that he apprehends there contains within the said bounds a greater quantity then is express'd in the said Patent Praying leave to reservey & take a new Patent for the whole quantity within the bounds. ------------------------------------------------------ Old Churches, Ministers and Families of Virginia St. Mark's Parish - Culpepper Co., VA Benjamin CAVE - vestryman - one of 12 elected and chosen as they were the most able and discreet persons of their parish. In the year 1732, the vestry built a church at the Two Springs, on the Germanna Road, at the cost of thirty-six thousand-weight of tobacco. (Shortly thereafter) building a new church in the Southwest Mountains is voted upon; also, another, "twenty feet square, near Batley's Quarter, where David CAVE be lay reader." In 1740 St. Mark's of Orange Co. was divided and St. Thomas formed out of it. William CAVE being in the new parish of St. Thomas. ---------------------------------------------------------

David is a somewhat unusual name in an Anglican family in the 1600's, not rare at all, but also not like William Robert John etc. Of course it comes from the Old Testament, meaning "he who is beloved." Thus with the name "Valentine" already in the Cave family, (Tidewater Virginia and Northamptonshire) I bet that if we find these wills of the two Valentine Caves, and if there is a son named David, we may be on our way to solving some age old Cave mysteries. Michael ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Michael, you say "And it appears from early dna ecvidence, that this line does indeed go all the way back to Jordayne de Cave, who accompanied William the Conqueror in 1066!!!" Can you tell us any more about this? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [CAVE] Valentine and Cave in Virginia and England > So earlier we learned that a descendant of John Cave of the Revolution, > who > is apparently the great grandson of John Cave who died 1721 in Stafford, > (m. > Andrews and Travers), had a 37/37 complete y-dna match with Valentine Cave > b. > ca 1585 in Nothaptonshire, England. > > Then, our intrepid Jane Wayne found an even earlier Valentine Cave who has > a > will I believe in 1606. > > Well now, I have found at least two early, direct descendants of Benjamin > Cave who use the name Valentine! A grandson, Col. Valentine Johnson, and > a > great grandaughter Belsorah Valentine Cave. Belsorah was the daughter of > Benjamin Belfield Cave. Her sister married the Hon. James Lawson Kemper, > Reconstruction Governor of Virginia. > > This means that the name Valentine came down through two separte children > of > Benjamin Cave. It also means Valentine almost certainly came through the > Cave line. > > So that means.... > > Almost certainly the Tidewater Caves are all one family, descended from > the > Valentine Caves of England. And it appears from early dna ecvidence, that > this line does indeed go all the way back to Jordayne de Cave, who > accompanied > William the Conqueror in 1066!!! > > Michael > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

So earlier we learned that a descendant of John Cave of the Revolution, who is apparently the great grandson of John Cave who died 1721 in Stafford, (m. Andrews and Travers), had a 37/37 complete y-dna match with Valentine Cave b. ca 1585 in Nothaptonshire, England. Then, our intrepid Jane Wayne found an even earlier Valentine Cave who has a will I believe in 1606. Well now, I have found at least two early, direct descendants of Benjamin Cave who use the name Valentine! A grandson, Col. Valentine Johnson, and a great grandaughter Belsorah Valentine Cave. Belsorah was the daughter of Benjamin Belfield Cave. Her sister married the Hon. James Lawson Kemper, Reconstruction Governor of Virginia. This means that the name Valentine came down through two separte children of Benjamin Cave. It also means Valentine almost certainly came through the Cave line. So that means.... Almost certainly the Tidewater Caves are all one family, descended from the Valentine Caves of England. And it appears from early dna ecvidence, that this line does indeed go all the way back to Jordayne de Cave, who accompanied William the Conqueror in 1066!!! Michael ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits49.htm#cavel Springs Valley Herald (January 13, 1911) Death Notice CAVE, Leroy, Leroy CAVE, one of Dubois County's best known citizens died of paralysis at his home at Crystal Sunday 2:00 p.m..........The funeral procession which took place Tuesday noon was a grand specter.......... ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits17.htm#cavew Springs Valley Herald (July 7, 1927) Obituary Ashabel Willard CAVE, son of Mr. and Mrs. Leroy CAVE, was born near Crystal, Dubois County, Indiana march 4, 1857 and departed this earthly life July 1, 1927. He was married to Miss Louisa R. Cox, December 21, 1879. One child blessed this union, Miss Emma Cave, now Mrs. Sol Simmons. Mr. CAVE leaves two brothers, Lee of Bedford, Indiana, Will of Kansas City, Missouri; one sister, Mrs. Molly Meyers of Evansville. ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/obits15.htm#cavem Spring Valley Herald (February 21, 1929) Margaret E. CAVE, wife of Thomas CAVE died at her home at Crystal Tuesday, February 19th at 3:00 p.m................... ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits47.htm#cavec Springs Valley Herald (June 20, 1929) Obituary Cora Wells CAVE was born in Orange County, Indiana February 7, 1868, the daughter of Hiram Elwood Wells and Mary Jane Hill Wells......... On October 10, 1899 she was united in marriage to Will W. CAVE.............. ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits60.htm#cavemc Springs Valley Herald (December 30, 1937) Obituary Mary Christina Kirkland, daughter of Matthew and Elizabeth Kirkland, was born in Hawkins County, Tennessee, February 22, 1846. She was married to Thomas J. CAVE February 17, 1867.................... ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits29.htm#cavetj Springs Valley Herald (November 28, 1940) Obituary Thomas J.. CAVE, son of John and Sarah Kearby CAVE, was born in Dubois Co., Indiana, September 11, 1844................ ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/svobits32.htm#cavelr Springs Valley Herald (September 4, 1941) Obituary Louisa Ruth CAVE, daughter of Noah and Nancy Cox, was born in Scotland, Ind. in 1859. She was united in marriage to Ashabel W. Cave in 1879. To this union one daughter was born, Mrs. Emma D. Simons................. ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/obits9.htm#caveww William W. CAVE, son of Thomas J. and Mary Kirkland CAVE, was born in Dubois County, Indiana January 255, 1873 and departed this life in the Orange County Hospital December 14, 1963 at the age of 90 years................... In 1899 he was married to Cora Wells who preceded him in death in 1929........... -----------------------------------------------------

Before this gets etched in stone, let me say...... OOPs This child of Dennis and Sara that seems to have been called "Birdie" is probably Cora. The 3rd time I looked at the name in the Bird City history book, I see that it is really written as Cora - NOT Dora. sorry about that, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C > Hi Ron Sandstead and Jim Cave, > First to answer your question as to how I'm "related" to the Cave family - > easy... I am not. > My interest in the Cave family comes from quite a remote distance. My > Elliott family homesteaded in Antelope Twp, Harlan County, Nebraska in > 1874. > My g-grandfather's brother John and his wife Mahala, had taken the twin > daughter of John's sister to raise, when the mother couldn't nurse both of > the twins. This daughter was Nettie Hicks, and in 1887 she married > Charles > J Witham in Alma, NE. Charles was the son of George and Sarah Ellen > (Cave) > Witham. Sarah Ellen was d/o Steven C & Mary Anne (McCall) Cave. Of > course > Steven was a brother to your William & Ellen (Russell) Cave. > This primed my thirst for more history and I find that, unbeknown to other > family researchers, John Elliott had a "second life" in Bird City and had > dealings with the Cave family and this is probably how his (adopted) > daughter Nettie found a husband in far (100 miles) off Bird City. Of > course, as with all things, one question leads to another and this > exposure > to the Cave and Witham families whetted my appetite for more, and thus my > interest in the fate of Dennis and Sarah Cave. > If you will search the archives of this mail list, you will find an > article > posted back in Sep 2003 at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/cave/2003-09/1063244938 which gives > a > pretty good "mini-biography" of Dennis William Cave. This article was > also > published in the book "Early Bird City, Cheyenne County Kansas" of 1985 by > Dorthy HILER Bruce Mast & Marsha C SQUIRES Magley. > The article posted in the archives names the children o Dennis & Sarah > Cave, > but with a small difference when compared to the write-up in the Bird City > Book. That is; the child written a Dora in the Bird City history book > is > typed as Cora in the article contained in the archives of this mail > list. > And THAT is all I know of Dora or Cora CAVE, *except, that I am assuming > that this is the daughter "Birdie" shown as 2 months of age in the home of > Dennis and Sarah in the 1880 census. > Thank you Ron - you are absolutely correct, Sarah V (Jones) CAVE was > listed > in the census of 1900, living with Dr Thomas Cave and next door to James > Rogers. She shows herself to be married. > Then, you suggested that Sarah also acquired homestead land in Colorado > nearby to the Sandstedt / Sandsted boys - I went back and checked and > about > three census pages away was Sarah Cave: > CO-Logan-PawneePct_CAVE-Sarah_1910 23 May 1910 page 85 > dwelling 270, family 314 > CAVE, Sarah, head, age 52, wd, 4 children born - 4 now living, b. MO, > fa.b. > OH, mo.b. IN, Farmer - general, for own account, owns farm free of mtge > census shows "North & West of Willard" (Willard is abt 10-15 miles West > and > a little South of Sterling, CO) > So, Ron, your freehand memory is working well. > I must break for din din but will review your postings and see that I've > answered your questions. > see ya, Jim "the curious" ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RON SANDSTEAD" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C > > >> Dear Jim-- >> >> DW Cave and his wife Sarah Vetura Jones Cave were my great grandparents. >> I >> am currently out on a short trip so can't answer all your questions but >> can >> answer some. >> >> I have a lot of information about DW and his family. How are you >> related? >> >> I have spent some time in Harlan Co, Nebraska and Cheyenne Co, Kansas. I >> have not gotten to Boone Co, Arkansas yet but am planning to make the >> trip >> someday. My father's sister, Katherine Sandstead, is buried there at >> Zinc >> and I want to see her grave as well as the mine. My father was born >> there >> in Zinc in 1914. They were mining for lead and zinc. The metal was >> needed >> for the 1st World War. Family stories tell me that after the war the >> mines >> went bust. Family stories also tell me that Sarah and DW were divorced >> although I haven't seen any documention. Also, I've been told that DW >> came >> back to Lincoln, Nebraska where Sarah was living and she cared for him >> until >> he died. There is a death record for DW that shows him passing away in >> Pittsburg, Kansas (where his daughter Nancy Rogers lived). DW amd Saraj >> are both buried in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln. My parents Joyce and >> Russell >> Sandstead are both buried next to them. And my father's parents are in >> the >> plot on the other side. My father's mother was Maude May Cave >> Sandstead -- >> one of DW's daughters. >> >> I believe that if you look at the census for 1910 closely you will find >> Sarah V. Cave in the same boarding house as Thomas Cave and Nancy Rogers >> there in Harrison, Arkansas. She is listed as a guest and is hard to >> read >> but she is there. The same census lists DW as a real estate man although >> he >> was a lawyer and was known as Judge Cave there in Zinc. Most of the >> Sandsteads- Sandstedts left Harlan Co, Nebraska in 1909 and went to the >> area >> just west of Sterling, Colorado to homestead. I'm fairly sure Sarah was >> living in Lincoln at the time. She joined them and had her own >> homestead. >> There are a number of family stories about that time. One of them is >> that >> her house was a soddie and my uncle Ronald helped her shingle it while he >> was still a boy. Another was one my aunt Mildred related. A big rattler >> was found in the soddie and Grandmother Cave quiclly dispatched it and >> acted >> like it was nothing. My aunt was very impressed. >> >> Grandmother proved up on her homestead and sold it after the required 5 >> years. She then moved back to Lincoln where she bought a house. Her son >> Will Cave and daughter Maude Sandstead eventually owned homes within a >> couple of blocks of her home. My father lived with her for a year or so >> while in school. >> >> My grandmother Maude Cave Sandstead was in Colorado for a short time >> before >> going to stay in Washington with her sister Cora Cave Werlich. She took >> the >> younger kids with her and taught school while there. My grandfather Ed >> Sandstead and his brother Will Sandstead built the houses for the >> homesteads. The original ledgers for the homestead entrys are at the >> Federal Center in Denver, Colorado. DW did not homestead in Colorado but >> must have come for visits from Arkansas. He convinced my grandmother and >> grandfather Sandstead to come to Zinc and help him mine. My grandfather >> build houses and taught school there in Zinc. Grandmother Maude hated >> being >> there in Zinc. She considered the people to be very uncivilized. Zinc >> was >> a very rough and tumble mining town. After my Uncle Ronald saw a >> shootout >> between the Sheriff and a father and son who were causing trouble, my >> grandmother had had enough. She told Grandfather Ed that she was going >> back >> to Lincoln with or without him. He decided to leave also. >> >> So much for now. >> >> I would appreciate it if you could let me know what you have found about >> the >> family and where you found them. I knew from the 1880 census that DW had >> a >> daughter called Birdie but no one on my side of the family had ever heard >> of >> her. Where did you find her name to be Dora? There is so much that I >> know >> but so very much that I don't. The more of us who work on this the >> better. >> I'd certainly appreciate any information that you can send me. >> >> Thanks -- >> >> Ron Sandstead >> 337 Calhoun Ave >> Destin, FL 32541 >> 850-837-0327 >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Jimquist" <[email protected]> >>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Subject: [CAVE] Dennis W CAVE 1849-1923 s/o William C >>>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:22:59 -0600 >>> >>>It has been written: >>>"... Here in Zinc, Ark., where Dennis was a judge and justice of peace, >>>he >>>looked after his extensive >>>mining and agriculture interests, together with his brother and his >>>daughter >>>Nancy (the writer's grandmother) up until his death on Sept. 7, 1923." >>> >>>I have been trying to verify some of this and have had some problems: >>>1) I find Dennis W Cave in the census of 1900 at Harrison Twp, Boone >>>County, >>>Arkansas, living by himself in (probably) a boarding house. He shows to >>>be >>>married but none of his family is with him. >>>2) I can not find D.W., nor his wife, in either the 1910 or 1920 census. >>>3) I find his daughter Nancy (Rogers) in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, >>>AR >>>in 1910 living next door to Thomas Cave, the brother of Dennis. >>>4) Subsequently, Nancy is found in Pittsburg, Kansas in 1910 and 1920. >>> >>>It doesn't seem that either brother Thomas or daughter Nancy ever joined >>>DW >>>in Zinc, AR, so I guess they would have helped him manage his extensive >>>holdings via long distance, as even brother Thomas appears to have >>>returned >>>to Kansas before 1910. >>> >>>What I am mostly wondering about is Sarah, the wife of Dennis. She died >>>in >>>1932 and is buried with him in Wyuka Cemetery in Lincoln, NE as Sarah >>>Cave. >>>Where was she during the period 1900-1932? (I haven't looked for her in >>>1930 >>>census) >>> >>>One more question - Dennis and Sarah had a daughter Dora ("Birdie"?) born >>>about 1880. What was her fate? >>> >>>Thanks for any guidance on where to find more information or just answers >>>to >>>my questions. >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>in >>>the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Jane. The photo of "beautiful downtown Zinc" tugs at my hearstrings. Not a lot different than street scenes I recall from my childhood in Ragan, Nebraska. Glad some of this stuff is preserved. see ya, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane" <[email protected]> To: "CAVE LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: [CAVE] Zinc, AR > > www.arkansaspreservation.org/historic-properties/_search_nomination_popup.asp?id=741 > Zinc, Arkansas > History of the town; mentions D. W. Cave and T. R. Cave > > > www.old-picture.com/scenes-rural-america/015/Arkansas-deserted-mining-Zinc.htm > > > http://newdeal.feri.org/library/s13.htm (same individuals as in photo > above-different view) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >