jane wayne, First we have the architect/builder/carpenter John Cave, in many generations one of several John Caves really who people are getting confused about...(i.e. the whole Mary Cave John Echols debate etc etc). Now you post this modern day planter David Cave in Powhatan, Virginia,....well that too is odd since no one seems to discuss much the very early David Cave, planter, in the area of todays Caroline county mid to late 1600's who may indeed have been progenitor of most of us on this list.... One of these days these men will come out of the caves and see the light... :)

www.york.ac.uk/inst/cecs/cave.htm Picture.... King's Manor c. 1822, by Henry Cave (York City Art Gallery) Henry Cave was the drawing master at Mr Lumley's Boarding School for Young Ladies. Cave (1779-1836) was a topographical artist in oil and watercolour, and an engraver, who worked extensively on York and Yorkshire subjects. =================================== www.hillfields.org.uk/History/Car_history/lady.htm Picture of car built by Henry Cave. In the early years of the twentieth century, Hillfields played a key part in the development of Coventry's Car Industry. In total there were 20 different car makers located in Hillfields. The Lady was a voiturette, built by Henry Cave. It was powered by a 2.25 h.p. De Dion engine with power applied through a "Stow" flexible propshaft to the rear axle. The car could manage 16 m.p.h. There was a movable steering column to allow easy access to the seats. 1899. ========================================== freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/June1833.html Liverpool Mercury newspaper June 14th 1833 Marriages On Thursday the 6th June 1833 Same day at Walton Church Mr WHITTLE to the third daughter of Mr James CAVE of Walton Breck Same day Mr EDWARDS to Catherine, youngest daughter of Mr James CAVE of Walton Breck =================================== //freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells/Lenton.htm Extracts of Lenton Parish Records Baptisims, Burials & Marriages 1540 to 1651 Mary, dau. of Thomas Cave, Knight, .....buried 15 August 1612 ===================================

www.herald-mail.com/news/1996/12/obituaries/dec8_96.html Herald Mail Wagerstown, Washington County, Maryland Sunday, December 8, 1996 Edition MARTINSBURG, W.Va. - Aretta H. CAVE Fairfax, 88, of Martinsburg, died Friday, Dec. 6, 1996, at City Hospital, Martinsburg. Born March 3, 1908, in Blueridge, Ga., she was the daughter of the late Rebecca McDougal. She was preceded in death by her first husband, James CAVE in 1972. ...She is survived by one daughter with whom she resided, Rebecca Nadenbousch...She was preceded in death by two daughters, Dorothy Emery and Edith Shriver; three sons, Fred CAVE, James CAVE and Willard S. CAVE............

//njwebnews.com/fp/fp5_032001.html Powhatan (VA) farmer goes 'bananas' over farming By Courtnie Walton In a time when many people are “growing houses,” as Powhatan resident and farmer David Cave puts it, there are still some folks who prefer the country life. Many farmers, like Cave, work full-time jobs in addition to farming, but what they truly live for is too large to hold in both hands – like 200 acres or 50 head of cattle. They nurture their land and what it produces, and in turn, are sustained by its bounty. It’s a cycle of life and nature often forgotten in a busy world, but is easy to capture again with a ride in Cave’s pickup truck as he checks on his land, cattle, and new conservation practices. Remembering the farming way of life is what Agriculture Week, March 18-24, is all about. Ag Week has been an annual event for some time, according to Keith Burgess, District Manager for the Monacan Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD). “It’s a national week designed to promote agriculture,” Burgess explained. “The Virginia Department of Agriculture promotes the week … [to emphasize] the importance of agriculture in Virginia.” The Monacan SWCD awarded Cave the Outstanding Cooperator Award for the Best Management Practices (BMPs) that he has installed on his farm. Cave, a beef, tobacco and sweet potato producer, and his wife, Margie, said they began to implement the BMPs two years ago in order to keep their cattle out of the pond for the Chesapeake Bay Clean Water Act. The Cave’s pond runs into Rocky Ford Creek, which then feeds into the Appomattox River and ends up in Lake Chesdin. “We set a septic tank close to the pond so water could run in it, put a pump in the tank, and ran lines to the watering trough for the cattle,” Cave explained. “We [fenced] the pond off so the cattle can’t get in the water stream.” Both David and Margie are amazed at how quickly the cows learned how to use the system, which consists of a watering trough with four openings. In each opening sits a large red ball, and by pushing the ball with their noses, the cows are able to drink. “It’s a real nice system,” Margie Cave said. “It makes it easier because cows push the balls down – like a commode float – and drink. You don’t have to teach them to do that.” Another conservation practice the Caves have utilized for two years is a rotational grazing system. By dividing their 60-acre pasture into six lots, they are able to rotate their cattle among the lots, which simplifies chores for the Caves. The couple hopes to eventually have 12 lots. “We’re trying to make farming easier,” Cave explained. “We control the grazing, as the cows eat one lot at a time, alternating [between lots]. If the cows can cut [the hay], we don’t have to.” “We don’t plow as much land now,” Margie Cave added. “That keeps the run-off from the water.” “When the whole farm is fixed like this, with the pastures stockpiled and rotated so the cows do all the work, all I’ll have to do is open the gates,” David Cave said. “We want to hold onto the land for the children,” he added. Margie Cave recalled that growing up on a farm meant that “there was always something to do. On the farm, you don’t get bored.” Now the Caves are passing their love of farming down to their grand- vhildren. One of their granddaughters, who is old enough to really get involved, enjoys the animals and the work, Margie Cave said. “Dave loves his animals, and he loves his land,” Margie Cave explained. “He takes a lot of pride in it.” Farming and family seem to go hand-in-hand, as the couple’s grand- children visit the farm on special occasions, such as Christmas dinner. “All the kids choose their Christmas dinner,” Margie Cave explained. “M&Ms, cookies, goldfish [crackers] – whatever they want.” The cows, an Angus mix, are also part of the family, and as such, are not left out when David Cave gives sweets to his grandchildren. “They love bananas,” said David Cave. “I used to feed them cookies.”

Carpentry in those days included building and architecture. Noble professions. EGT ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: MDWW65@aol.com Subject: Re: [CAVE] Cave woodworkers.... Date: 03/15/2002 01:29am Its very funny that the one of the early Virginia John Cave references ca 1703 (John Cave Sr., Jr, III....?) lists him as a carpenter as well...seems to have been a popular profession even back in Testamentary times :) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

It's in the genes...... My gr-grandfather, James Cave, left England in 1868 and arrived in Philadelphia where he eventually became a builder of row houses.

Its very funny that the one of the early Virginia John Cave references ca 1703 (John Cave Sr., Jr, III....?) lists him as a carpenter as well...seems to have been a popular profession even back in Testamentary times :)

Leon, VA is near Culpeper, VA. Albert Sidney Cave was born in Madison Co., Va - June 27, 1894 and died Jan 6, 1994 at the Culpeper Health Care Center. He was the son of John Thomas and Fannie (Armentrout) Cave. He married Ethel Aylor. They had two sons Edgar Vernon and Herman. I'm sure there is a connection to our other Madison/Page Cave families, but haven't found it, yet. Julia

www.npg.org.uk/live/search/a-z/sitC.asp Picture of...... George Cave, Viscount Cave by Francis Dodd chalk, 1925 online database contains information on approximately 34,000 works, 11,500 of which are illustrated; the National Portrait Gallery's collection includes over 1,000,000 works. ====================================== www.badsey.net/history/mar1880.htm BADSEY, ENGLAND St. James Parish Records CAVE, Ethel Frances Louise ...(f) 5, Cotswold View, Badsey. Electoral Register 1924 CAVE, Eva Florence ...(f) bc. 1889; buried 19 Aug 1889. CAVE, Harold ...(m) bc. 1888; admitted to Badsey School 7 Nov 1898. CAVE, Harold J ...(m) bc. 1888, Holdenby, Northants; Garden Labourer. 1901 census CAVE, Harold John ...(m) 5, Cotswold View, Badsey. Electoral Register 1924 CAVE, Harold John ...(m) bc1889; Interred 1943. Monumental inscription CAVE, John (his father George Cave, brickmaker) ...(m) married 18 Oct 1886 to Julia ROGERS. CAVE, Julia, Mrs ...(f) name before marriage on 18 Oct 1886 was Julia ROGERS. CAVE, Julia ...(f) bc. 1851, Wickhamford, Worcs; . 1901 census CAVE, Julia ...(f) Sandford Villa, Badsey. Electoral Register 1924 CAVE, Julia ...(f) bc1849; Interred 1934. Monumental inscription =================================== www.thirdman.swinternet.co.uk/names/davis.html George CAVE m. Amelia Davis (b. 1802) October 14, 1819 in Yarlington, Somerset, England ==================================== www.sgibbs1.freeserve.co.uk/gtbarford/marriageshusband.htm Great Barford Marriages 1813-1904 CAVE, Joseph, 20 (bachelor) m. 14 July 1879 to ...HULL, Lucy Elizabeth, 21 (spinster) ...his father CAVE, George, labourer ...her father HULL, William, labourer Great Barford Baptisms 1813-1892 CAVE, Emma b. 28 Sep 1884 ...Parents: Joseph (labourer) and Lucy. ...Living with grandparents at Gt. Barford

www.hackerscreek.com/files/1806LAND.txt 1806 Harrison County, (West) Virginia, Land Tax Books Originally compiled by the WPA from the land tax books on file in the county courthouse in Clarksburg. Provided for digitizing by the West Virginia Archives and History Library. WILLIAM CAVE

I'm on a roll tonight ! to order the "Geoge Cave" apple go to www.gcdyo.org.uk/awards.html the "George Cave Award" to musicians www.gcdyo.org.uk/awards.html George Cave Memorial Cup for ??? sport www.northumberlandtoday.co.uk/sportstory.asp?storyid=9

That is SO interesting Jane. Now tell us where is Leon VA located. At first I thought this was a Texas CAVE, as the post office looks just like one I use to pass in the Piney Woods of East Texas. Cannot recall name of village there. I hope someone on the list is related to this Cave, and will give us some more about him & this family. Sue Ellen

Check this out..... www.logcabins.net/countryfurniture.htm Pictures of: Candle Light Woodshop built by John Thomas Cave in 1868. "The Caves were a family of woodworkers in the late 1800s. In this shop, the Cave family built everything from beds to fiddles for the local community. As the family and the business grew, the addition on the right was added, sometime around 1880. A few years later Albert Cave and his father built a larger shop down the hill from this residence that has been converted into the local post office. My brother and I feel the atmosphere of the shop helps keep us connected to the family and woodworkers who once lived here. We have dedicated our shop to Albert Cave who was the longest living World War I veteran. He lived to be just three months shy of a century old. We enjoy his garden and his spirit, which is still very much alive.

Jefferson City (MO) News Tribune Obit Judge JOHN MARTIN CAVE b. Aug 5, 1916 d. Dec 27, 1999 m. Harriet Gooch s/o Nick T. Cave and Ella Pauline Martin Page is copyrighted; to see newspaper article go to: www.newstribune.com/stories/123099/obi_1230990016.asp

CALIFORNIA DEATH RECORDS >From 1940 Through 1997 CAVES - Mother's Maiden Name ARZATE , Francisc(o) C. b.06/15/1885 ME - d.03/03/1969 Fresno, CA, Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES BAGLIN, Earl S. b.01/14/1911 KS - d.06/05/1994 Fresno, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES BAILLIE, David O. b.03/05/1901 OH - d.11/13/1962 West Covina, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES BAUCOM, Leonard b.07/15/1903 AR - d.01/28/1960 Gonzales, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES BLIZZARD, Leo G. b.01/26/1902 OH - d.09/22/1969 Los Angeles Co, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES CARL, Inez Lee b.03/10/1907 MO - d.06/24/1983 Napa, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s last name: THOMAS CARVALHO, Manuel V. b.08/03/1888 (other) - d.02/03/1965 Stockton, CA Mother's Maiden Name: CAVES CHAPMAN, Clifford F. b.12/06/1914 CA - d.08/23/1961 Los Angeles Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES CRAWFORD, Zada b.04/03/1898 TX - d.12/17/1945 Fresno, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: RUSSEL FARRIS, Howard Laverne b.02/11/1922 KS - d.04/25/1986 Alameda, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES FELT, Myrtle Minnie b.12/31/1902 AL - d.08/16/1987 Stanislaus, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: ATKERSON HARRIS, James Roy b.03/05/1929 OK - d.02/22/1988 Kern Co, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES HARRIS, Willard Harvey b.01/25/1918 AL - d.04/08/1983 Kern Co, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES HARTMANN, Cora Eunice b.11/10/1898 NY - d.01/06/1986 Sacramento, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: HERMAN HERMAN, Elmer C. b.07/19/1894 NY - d .03/08/1946 Los Angeles Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: HERMAN HERMAN, Floyd C. b.06/26/1903 NY - d.11/27/1987 Los Angeles Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES HERMAN, Stanley D. b.12/12/1907 NY - d.05/23/1960 Ventura, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES HIGGINS, Marguerite G. b.07/03/1910 CO - d.04/16/1980 Santa Cruz, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: GREEN JOHNS, Paul b.03/23/1904 MO - d.01/01/1991 Merced, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES LANPHEAR, Guy Maurice b.06/29/1881 NE - d.06/05/1955 Tehama, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: LANPHEAR MARCHITIELLO, Anthony b.05/08/1952 CA - d.09/27/1983 San Francisco, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES MONHEIT, Isola Theda b.01/25/1918 OK - d.12/21/1988 Los Angeles, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: SEABOLT PERKINS, Charles Blaine b.09/19/1884 IO - d.01/01/1953 San Bernardino, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: PERKINS PITTMAN, Ira E. b.05/19/1901 OR - d.07/28/1965 Sacramento, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES ROBERTS, Mae Ora b.09/21/1897 NM - d.06/16/1980 Humboldt, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: WOODARD ROLLIER, Leona May b.01/30/1902 MO - d.09/10/1989 Orange, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: MORROW RUSSELL, Israel P. b.02/10/1889 AL - d.05/11/1963 Kings Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES SCHROYER, Juanita Mae b.10/06/1915 NE - d.10/26/1988 Los Angeles, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name:NEIWSWANGER STIDHAM, Deborah Anne b.06/28/1972 CA - d.10/07/1980 Shasta Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES THOLE, Lawrence b.06/26/1957 CA - d.09/18/1957 Sacramento, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: THOLE THOMAS, Mary Jesus b.02/07/1889 (rest) - d.12/07/1958 Alameda, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: BETTENCOURT WEBBER, Ellen Maurine b.07/25/1922 WI - d.03/11/1997 Calaveras Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: CAVES WELCH, Harold Walter b.08/18/1906 NM - d.09/23/1959 Los Angeles Co., CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: WELCH WORKMAN, Carrie May b.03/28/1878 WI - d.02/12/1954 San Bernardino, CA Mother’s Maiden Name: CAVES Father’s Last Name: CURTIS

Alabama Department of Archives & History CIVIL WAR SERVICE DATABASE CLARKE CO., AL Name: CAVE, J. B. Occupation: Farmer Enlistment Date: 1864/09/15 Enlistment Info: Private Branch: Home Guard Regimental Unit: Clarke Co. Reserves/State Militia Company D Authority: Original Roll, 1864/11/19

1840 Clarke Co Alabama census. The first column is the name, the following numbers will be as follows MALES-0-5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-30, 30-40, 40-50, 50-60, 60-70, 70-80, 80-90, 90-100, 100+ As soon as there are no more males in the household an F will follow listing all the FEMALES and they will be numbered just as the males were. JOHN B CAVES-100001 F10001

Hello I'm having some research work done on any Swisher, Cave or Caves that have resided, were born, died or married in Hancock County Illinois. If you are interested in anyone paticular, let me know. Thomas W. Rogers

arcweb.sos.state.or.us/banners/genealogy.htm OREGON STATE ARCHIVES ===================================== Birth Index 09-29-1901 Male (Twin) CAVE - Portland 09-29-1901 Lorina (Twin) CAVE - Portland Parents CAVE, John L. & Jessie V (Smith) 1899 - Benz (CAVE), Bessie Emillie - Linn Co (Delayed Birth Certificate) ===================================== Portland Death Index 1881-1917 03-19-1912 CAVES, Mnnie - Age - 27y - Nativity MI ===================================== Oregon Census 1875 - Umatilla - pg 025 : CAVE, D E M CAVE, J H CAVE, J T CAVE, M F CAVE, O I 1895 - Multnomah - Pct 22 Pg 010 CAVE, Annie ===================================== Oregon Marriages 1844 - CAVE, Jas. & Matheny, Lucyan - Territory records 1865 - CAVE, David M & Taylor, Mahala - Yamhill Co 1924 - CAVE, Jerry & Lawrence, Mary V - Benton 1889 - CAVES, Nancy E & Van Meter, James - Benton Co. 1896 - CAVES, Ora & Pittman, I D - Benton Co. 1903 - CAVES, Marcus & Wischnofsky, Minnie - Benton Co. 1913 - CAVES, Ralph O & Woodward, Edith - Benton Co. ===================================== Oregon Land Claim 15 May 1846 CAVE, James - Yamhill - Vol 2 pg 025 24 June 1846 CAVE, James Sr. - Yamhill - Vol 2 pg 061 17 May 1848 CAVE, Reuben - Yamhill - Vol 8 pg 025 ====================================== Oregon Estate 1885 CAVE, Reuben - Polk Co 1908 CAVE, James W. - Yamhill 1921 CAVE, William E - Yamhill 1886 CAVES, Josiah - Benton Co =======================================

FYI Miami County, Kansas Cave, daughter Birth date 13 May 1922, Parent: Ernest Cave Publication: Miami Republican Reference: MICOGESOQU Vol. 5, p. 52 Birth Notices Bierly to Clawson This is an alphabetical index to birth notices for Miami County, Kansas. You should check the original source material to see if additional information is available regarding the birth of the person listed in the index. You can purchase copies of pages from MICOGESOQU from the Miami County Genealogy Society or ask for their assistance in doing research. You may also wish to order the microfilmed newspapers through interlibrary loan to search the records for yourself. Cave, daughter, Information Provided: Birth, date 13 May 1922, Date Published: not shown, Publication: Miami Republican, Parent: Ernest Cave, Reference: MICOGESOQU Vol. 5, p. 52