This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/2.1.1 Message Board Post: Shawn, I'm not sure if I've contacted you before but I've found, through DNA testing, five additional Ramsey families that match to my Ramsey family. Your posting in Tulare Co CA raises questions about my Ramsey family that lived in Tulare Co. Are your related to the William Ramsey the early Pioneer of MO who traveld with Boone? If you related to Ramsey of Tulare Co or the MO Pioneer Ramsey I need to talk with you. I have information on these families. If your interested in the Ramsey family heritages uou can view the latest Ramsey families DNA test results at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ramsey/indexDNA.html I would encourage you to help solve the Ramsey mystery by considering participating in our Ramsey project. Drop me an email and I be glad to answer your questions. Regards, John Hendrickson DNA kit #25468

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BAYNE, SPENCE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1721 Message Board Post: Need the obituary of George A. BAYNE died 23 December, 1966 Tulare Co., California. George was born 4 Sep 1894 in Texas, son of Alfred A. Bayne and America Spence. Thank you in advance for any help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1719.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No problem - thanks for helping out - sometime it pays to get a duplicate response if I have forgotten to do something with the first one or if my delete finger just got too busy and I accidentally deleted what I needed and could not remember the message number or web-site....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1719.1.1 Message Board Post: I just realized that others had posted same information below. Sorry about the overlap. Elaine

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1719.1 Message Board Post: I do not know the family. I found this info on the early California Deaths although name is Manda. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/ Manda J. Lane, spouse initial R C, age 62, d. 11/13/1925 in Tulare Co., CA. Elaine

Greetings all, Please help to get legislation enacted to establish minimum standards of maintenance at cemeteries. Without letters of support, this bill may not be passed. Senator Denise Moreno Ducheny has sponsored a bill that is hoped to establish "minimum standards of maintenance" at cemeteries throughout California. The law will primarily cover licensed, privately-owned cemeteries, to help ensure that those families who have loved ones buried in a cemetery will have a minimal expectation that the cemeteries will not become eyesores either through neglect or abandonment. The text of the bill is as follows. "Bureau" refers to the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau of the Dept. of Consumer Affairs: THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. Section 9611 is added to the Business and Professions Code , to read: 9611. The bureau shall disclose on its Web site information about each cemetery subject to the jurisdiction of the bureau. In addition to the information required by Section 27, the bureau shall disclose the name of the owner of each cemetery, the name of the cemetery, the business address of the cemetery owner, and the physical address of the cemetery. SEC. 2. Section 9612 is added to the Business and Professions Code , to read: 9612. Notwithstanding Section 8115 of the Health and Safety Code, the bureau shall adopt regulations that establish minimum standards of maintenance for endowment care cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the bureau. The standards shall be those reasonably necessary to protect the public health and safety, assure decent and respectful treatment of human remains, and prevent the offensive deterioration of cemetery grounds, structures, and places of interment. The regulations shall consider differences in cemetery size, location, and topography, type of interments, and the extent to which funds are available from the cemetery's endowment care funds to perform maintenance. The standards established under this section shall not supercede any standards of a higher level of care established pursuant to Section 8115 of the Health and Safety Code. If you have had a problem with maintenance, care or abandonment of a cemetery where your families are buried, please send a quick letter of support in an email to the Senate Business and Professions Committee. I have included a sample template for your use (BELOW) which you can easily include the name of the cemetery you are concerned about and cut and paste the letter into a new email to send. You will be sending the email to Erika Johnson of Senator Ducheny's office so your email will need to include a request that a copy of the email be given to the Committee members. Emails need to be sent by MONDAY, APRIL 10th. This could be an important first step to helping ensure that our California cemeteries are properly maintained so that the places where we bury our loved ones will have some modicum of dignity and respect. Thank you in advance to any of you who will take them time to support this bill. Sue Silver, State Coordinator California Saving Graves (SEE SAMPLE LETTER BELOW - Don't forget to include information shown in [brackets]. If you would like to personalize the letter, please feel free to do so!) SAMPLE LETTER ********************************************************************** Send your Email to: Erika.Johnson@SEN.CA.GOV ********************************************************************** RE: SB 1490 - SUPPORT Dear Ms. Johnson, Please forward the following correspondence to the members of the Senate Business and Professions Committee in support of SB 1490. Thank you! ********************************************************************** The Honorable Liz Figueroa, Chair Senate Business, Professions, and Economic Development State Capitol, Room 2053 Sacramento CA 95814 Re: Support for SB 1490, by Senator Denise Moreno Ducheny Dear Senator Figueroa: I, [YOUR NAME], respectfully requests your support for SB 1490, by Senator Ducheny. The Senator introduced SB 1490 in response to a request from her constituents in Imperial County, to address an issue that threatens the resting places of Californians' loved ones. Senate Bill 1490 seeks to ensure that private cemetery properties are properly maintained and that anyone who owns, sells or purchases a private cemetery property in California will be licensed with the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau (CFB). Many cemeteries in our State, like the one [OR ENTER NAME OF CEMETERY] where members of my family rest, have been ill-maintained or abandoned. While the law requires "proper maintenance", it does not establish any minimum standard for care and maintenance. Having a standard in law with no definition makes it difficult for me, and other Californians, to make sure that the appropriate care, care that we have paid for, is provided by cemetery owners. The law also doesn't require sufficient reporting of the transfer of ownership of cemeteries to assure an updated list of privately owned cemeteries. This has made it easier for owners to abandon properties and avoid their responsibility to provide ongoing maintenance, and makes it harder for the CFB to keep track of ownership as it changes over the years. Finally, the legal minimum fees for cemetery endowment care funds are not sufficient to provide for ongoing maintenance. I am told by Senator Ducheny's staff that even the CFB Auditor confirmed in their meeting that the law does not require the collection of sufficient fees to assure that properties are properly maintained. SB 1490 will provide simple solutions to these problems by increasing the CFB's ability to make sure that the intent of the law is met. It will help to ensure that cemetery properties are properly maintained by requiring the experts at CFB, by whatever process they feel is appropriate, to establish minimum standards that respect the variety of private cemeteries that exist in California. The bill would clarify and increase ownership reporting to CFB and County Recorders so that CFB can use its limited resources to better enforce our laws, rather than chasing owners across the country, in my case a New York company that has no intention of fulfilling its responsibility to my family. Finally, the bill would improve CFB's authority to make sure that endowment care funds are healthy enough to meet maintenance standards, exactly what we all think we're getting when we make arrangements for our families' resting places. Please help us protect other families from having to live with this problem in the future. When SB 1490 is heard before your committee, I ask for your "AYE" vote. Respectfully, [Your Name] [Address] [Telephone Number] [Email address] cc: Senator Bill Morrow, Vice Chair, Room 4048; Senator Samuel Aanestad, Room 2054; Senator Dean Florez, Room 5061; Senator Joe Simitian, Room 4062

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane, Tyree, Helton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1718.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes I found that information, also - and have it on hold along with info I found on a Sattie W. Tyree who may be her brother - right age and parents born in same locations; one of the children of Manda and Robert C. Lane was named Sattie W. ; I also have a page of Heltons on hold; that Peter Helton Lane you found is another of their sons. Hoping that when I get a death cert for my lady, all the pieces will fall into place.. I am ready to go as soon as I know for sure where in MO Manda was born...just hope the death cert. does not come back with "Unknown" for parents and her place of birth. But I have much to work with anyway, I think.... To cut down on my search time, will print out the marriages you listed here..thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1718.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Olive, World War I Draft cards for Tulare Co. CA have a Robert Frank Lane living in Exeter born Nov, 21 1889 in Southwest City MO. (McDonald County). California Death Index has a Peter Helton Lane b. 1902 OK d. 1978 Tulare Co. Doing a search of Missouri Marriages 1851-1900 found the following: J.J. Tyre married Margaret Helton April 21, 1853 in Osage Co. MO John Helten married Louisa Trye March 4, 1851 Osage Co. Denise Simmons

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane, Tyree, Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1718.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for this information - I have all of it except that death info on Manda/Mandia/Amanda/whatever which I could not find to save my life no matter how often I went into it and checked. I still have not found where/when Robert C. died (most likely in OK), but that's fine - I know his parents... so for now my Lane research is being put aside and I am ready to tackle the Tyrees again; have a few ideas gathered from info found during this search - thank heavens for some unusual names... just have to put these bits and pieces together now and maybe (fingers crossed) what you have sent on Manda will be that magic key. Thank you so much... I am eager to see if my present "theories" hold water....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1718.1 Message Board Post: Olive, www.vitalsearch-ca.com has 1905 to 1929 death records for CA. Also some Marriage and Birth. Manda J. Lane spouse initails: RC age 62 (1863) County of deathcode 54 (Tulare) dod: 11-13-1925 cert # 50477 1910 census OK Delaware Co. 5 twsp has Robert C. Lane age 55 married 2, yrs-22, b. AR parents AR Mandy wife age 45 married 1, yrs-22 b. MO parents MO with children -Alta and Ida. Robert and Manda married about 1888, so she will be single in 1880. There is a son Francis b. Aug 1879 in AR as the oldest in the household in 1900. They are in Indian Territory Cherokee Nation. Children born 1889 to 1894 are born in MO, after 1894 all born in Indian Territory. Denise Simmons

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane, Tyree Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1719 Message Board Post: I have been searching in vain to find out where Mandia (Tyree) Lane died so that I can try for a death certificate to find out where in MO she was born and trace her ancestry but I cannot find her by doing any online searching. Last I found her, she was living with dau. Alta (Lane) Johnson and husband and then I lost her again. I have found that most of the family of Robert C. Lane and his first wife (unknown) and second wife, Mandia Tyree, have ended up in Tulare County, CA - so if any descendants happen to read this, please send me a message - you could be of biiiiiig help to me in this search. Right now I am spinning my wheels and spending time on the children which is not sending me where I need to go - back to some place in MO to find Mandia's parents. Actually, even if someone reads this who is not a desc. of Lane but has information to help me, I am ready and willing to hear about it, for sure....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane, Tyree, Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1718 Message Board Post: I have been trying to search for birthplace/parents of "Amanda" (Mandia Tyree) Lane that I just found on the 1920 census for Exeter Twp; living with a married daughter (Alta M. (Lane) Johnson) and her husband, Harry Johnson. Amanda is now widowed and moved to CA from OK after husband died, I now know. Then: I lose Amanda/Mandia again - cannot find her on the 1930 census or anywhere while using the search engine on Ancestry.com. I cannot get access to any good expanded web-site to check on VRs for CA. to find out when/where she died so that I can get a death cert to find out where in Missouri she was born, in 1863. Does anyone have access to a gooood death index to get this information for me? I am doing this research project for my dau in law - I keep losing Mandia/Amanda and now I am not sure (again) where to turn for more information on her. I found her this time by checking on all her (male) children. I am out of ideas now..

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1717 Message Board Post: Looking for descendants of Lewis and Minnie Ramsey Lawrence married in CA, Tulare Co.9-29-1886. Also looking for know child Leila Lawrence b Oct 1887

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1716.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Denise, Thanks again for your help here. Yes that is certainly the same man. I did find a second wife Maud, and their respective death indexes.......I have already ordered his DC, but as you say, there seems to be a huge waiting list no matter where you try. Unbelievable, as other parts of the world are so much ahead in their genealogy services. I expected the US to be way out ahead. Nevermind, I shall just have to wait in the cue with everyone else. I thought of the Social Security Application, but decided to wait until I have the DC. My searching from here, Australia, seems to be indicating he was adopted at birth......but even in NZ there is no mention of his birth registration as Cecil Henry Thompson or Bird. All a mystery, every turn brings up a new question. Cheers and thanks again, Robyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1716.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Robynn, In the California Death Index there is a Cecil H. Thompson with the birthdate that matches the WWI Draft card: Feb. 24, 1889, he died July 24, 1965 in Los Angeles County it had mother's maiden name as Bird but birth place of New Jersey not New Zealand. The Social Security Death index has Cecil Thompson b. Feb. 24, 1889 died Jul 1965 last address California SSA Card issued in New York before 1951 the SSA# matches the Death Index. Could Cecil have married a second time as there is a Cecil H. Thompson b. 1889 in New Zealand married to a Maude M b. South Dakota in the 1930 Queens, New York census. You can order, for a fee, the Social Security Application for Cecil which should have his parents names including mother's maiden. Use the Social Security Death Index link at Rootsweb.com and search the name and a form letter is availble to print out for ordering. Last I looked the fee was $27.00 if you provided the SSA#. For a California Death certificate you need to order it from Los Angeles County as the state vital records office in Sacramento is overwhelmed with with requests last I tried to get one. The letter they sent told me to go to the county and after a year I am stilll wanting for the refund they promised. Hope this is your Cecil. Denise Simmons

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1716.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Denise, It could be him in 1910 as perhaps NZ and England could have been mixed up. I have his naturalisation papers which were initially applied for and signed in 1916 when he was living in Tulare Co. California, but then his papers went through in early 1921 in Philadelphia PA. They had no children at this time. It states the address at this time as 4620 Samson? St. Philadelphia. So it is very possible he was living in Philadelphia in 1920 and by this time he was calling himself an assistant treasurer. Robyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HY.2ADE/1716.1 Message Board Post: Robin, 1910 Washington State, King County Seattle Twsp has: Cecil H. Thompson age 23 (1887) single born in England parents England; emmigrated 1909 and is a salesman of Clothing California World War II Draft Cards San Francisco City, San Francisco Co. has: Cecil H. Thompson, age 28, birtdate Feb, 24 1889 in Wellington, New Zealand. Citizen of New Zealand Living at 691 O'Farrell St. S.F.CA. occupation Accountant for McClenhan-Cramer and ?Carter at 319 Rialto Bldg. Dependants-Wife, married, no previous miltary service, no exemptions from service. Tall, Slender, Eyes Blue, Hair Brown Sighed Cecil H. Thompson on May 21, 1817. When were Cecil and Lillian living in Tulare Co. as I can't find them in the 1920 or 1930 census. As for a marriage certificate I would also search in San Francisco Co. As for finding a maiden name of Lillian, besides a marriage cert. do you know if they had any children, their names and approx years of birth? There is a California Birth Index with mother's maiden names from 1905 to 1995. Denise Simmons

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1716 Message Board Post: Hi there, I am trying to find the marriage of Cecil Henry Thompson and Lillian Marie Unknown, probably in California. It is known he arrived in the US from New Zealand in 1909 to Seattle, moved to California, married by 1916 and living in Alpaugh, then Visalia in Co. Tulare. Lillian Marie was born 13 January, 1895 California. Can anyone help me please. Robyn Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1529.1.1 Message Board Post: I haven't much info. Roy Dyer married my mother in Tulare California on Jan. 1937.On marriage certicate it said his father was Roy L. Dyer from Oklahoma and mother ola Vance from Oklahoma.My father Roy Dyer was 25 years at the time so he would have been born abt. 1912 or 1913 but his father could have been born at that time. Joyce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DYER, BROWN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HY.2ADE/1529.1 Message Board Post: HI Joyce - I'm looking for a DYER who died between 1915-1928 in California. He was born abt 1895 in Oregon. His parents were Lewis Dyer and Dollie Brown. The parents divorced and Dollie took the children and went to California. This DYER (I do not know his first name) was a mechnic and died in an race car accident. Could your ROY DYER, SR. have been born in Oregon?