I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the 1800s? >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. etc. > >Thanks. >Pat >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > 1st son for father's father > 2nd son for mother's father > 3rd son for the father > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > ............etc. > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > 3rd daughter for the mother > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > ............etc. > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange >quarterly." Hope it helps. >* > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > [email protected] I came across this. --Derick ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

At 02:07 AM 7/15/2000 , you wrote: Perhaps I should have explained the naming convention in more detail. The list I shared applies more to the colonial families with English roots and most often applied between the 1500s and roughly before the Revolution. The German and other European families used a similar scheme but not always did they follow the same pattern. Both, however "recycled" parent's, aunt's and uncle's names. What you say about naming children after famous personalities was true, usually after the Revolutionary War. You can generally guess what the "W." stood for with sons named "George." or the "M." with sons names "James." That is also the case for many Southern families that named their sons "Pinkney" (which I have an article about). Today, folks have seemingly broken from any tradition whatsoever using pretty-sounding names thus confounding future genealogists. --Derick >I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is >that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given >away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. >war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion >Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who >always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a >daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. > >Nancy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children > >At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: > >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the >1800s? > >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. >etc. > > > >Thanks. > >Pat > > > >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > > > 1st son for father's father > > 2nd son for mother's father > > 3rd son for the father > > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > > ............etc. > > > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > > 3rd daughter for the mother > > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > > ............etc. > > > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange > >quarterly." Hope it helps. > >* > > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > > [email protected] > >I came across this. > >--Derick > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I agree with your learned counsel Derick....however, having said that....I would also like to caution that some of those George W's were actually Washington family descendants. Capt John Wright III was the 2nd great grandson of Col John Washington (great grandfather of George Washington)....making him a 2nd cousin several times removed of President George Washington. He moved to Surry Co NC with both his nuclear family (he and Ann Williams had 18 children) and his extended family....don't know who and/or how many. So Washington descendants were "thick on the ground" in this part of NC. I only know about some of the lines they married into : Wright > Martin > Smith > Douthit > Keever Wright > Arnold These were lines of only 2 of the 18 children of Capt John Wright III. Just a thought, Malinda Jones "Derick S. Hartshorn" wrote: > At 02:07 AM 7/15/2000 , you wrote: > > Perhaps I should have explained the naming convention in more detail. The > list I shared applies more to the colonial families with English roots and > most often applied between the 1500s and roughly before the Revolution. The > German and other European families used a similar scheme but not always did > they follow the same pattern. Both, however "recycled" parent's, aunt's and > uncle's names. > > What you say about naming children after famous personalities was true, > usually after the Revolutionary War. You can generally guess what the "W." > stood for with sons named "George." or the "M." with sons names "James." > That is also the case for many Southern families that named their sons > "Pinkney" (which I have an article about). > > Today, folks have seemingly broken from any tradition whatsoever using > pretty-sounding names thus confounding future genealogists. > > --Derick > > >I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is > >that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given > >away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. > >war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion > >Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who > >always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a > >daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. > > > >Nancy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children > > > >At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: > > >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the > >1800s? > > >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. > >etc. > > > > > >Thanks. > > >Pat > > > > > > >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > > > > > 1st son for father's father > > > 2nd son for mother's father > > > 3rd son for the father > > > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > > > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > > > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > > > ............etc. > > > > > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > > > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > > > 3rd daughter for the mother > > > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > > > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > > > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > > > ............etc. > > > > > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange > > >quarterly." Hope it helps. > > >* > > > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > > > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > > > [email protected] > > > >I came across this. > > > >--Derick > > > > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > >Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. > >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > 781,000+ surnames =|= Archives =|= 16,100 discussion lists > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222