Greetings: I've been watching the 'scussion and discussion about the Eckert and Traffenstadt family. Here are my thoughts: I agree that Nicholas Fry's so mentioned "step-daughter" could easily be a daughter in law, but have no idea how, although the actual answer could well be hidden in the large collection of material that has come in since GSP was published in '94. I have not had time to view any of it, just stuffed it in file drawers and notebooks until I can get to it. A good place to start solving this would be to look at early land records (including chain bearers, witnesses, etc.) in the many published volumes of land abstracts for Lincoln and Rowan Counties. Now for Anna Barbara Eckert wife of Christian Traffenstadt: I am not sure how I came about that information but it must certainly have some validity since there is a month date of DEC 1751 and I don't make up dates. Anything that is uncertain would have the notation "ca" in front of it. Since Adam Eckert married twice in Frederick Co., MD and the long time theory is that he and Barbara were siblings, it could well be that I found it in MD records. If that is true I may have copied it at the same time as Adam's information and just used one heading as for document, then when I copied it off index style to include in the family records, I failed to include the source for the Traffenstadts.(Just a thought) Now I have a whole storage box of spiral binders of research notes over the past 40 or so years, you would be welcome to have a look! The only other alternative would be that I might have found that in Christian's estate file in Rowan Co records, but rather doubt that since I had pulled out my Hahn records from that file so many years before and did not go back to it when doing the book. HuH! OH! I just remembered that in one of my forays to Raleigh I met a Traffenstadt researcher who shared about 100 pages of family records with me. After the book was published I had no use for them and happened on to another descendant who needed them and passed them on to her. I could have gotten the date from this man. However I don't recall his name. I do remember that he lived in Raleigh and was active in the Traffenstadt reunion in Catawba Co. His first name might have been Jim. He was a descendant of Peter and Mahala. Dates contributed by family members seldom include a source. Adam Eckert's son Martin is named in his will. I would suggest that you look in Frederick Co. records to begin with. I only recall two sources that I used for this area. The largest was a series of newly published MD records I found at the McClung Collection In Knoxville, TN and the other was a roll of film that someone had ordered in through the local Family History Center here in Kingsport, TN and I happened on to it while it was on loan. Both of these events occured as I was closing out the research for the book. Hope this helps in some way. There are so many yet unanswered questions about these German Speaking Families and so many of them that did not get in the book because I could not prove at the time they were German Speaking. I still hope to do the supplement to GSP but find it more expedient at my age to get some order to my files (12 file drawers plus storage boxes) and decide how to preserve them for posterity and properly dispose of the originals. Could use a whole bevy of secretaries. Volunteers anyone? Happy Holidays, Lorena PS: I sent this out last night but it did not appear anywhere. If this is a duplicate, I'm sorry. However this does have more notes in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agnes B Yount" <alby6@juno.com> To: <agnesec@cableone.net>; <renas@usit.net> Cc: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Re: Eckert/Eckard Dear Agnes, Lorena In "German Speaking People...", Lorena Eaker states that Christian Traffenstadt m. Dec. 1751 Maria Barbara Eckert, suggesting there must be some source for this marriage. Does anyone know what that source is? Ray On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:27:06 -0700 Agnes <agnesec@cableone.net> writes: > Sorry, but unless we prove that Maria Barbara who married Christian > Treffenstadt really was an Eckert, looking for her parents seems > pointless. > I accept the premise that she was, but have never proved it nor > found anyone > who can. No matter how many articles there have been in what > publication, we > all need proof for this. All that aside, Martin Eckard probably was > of the > same family as Adam, and posssibly a grandson. > > As to the matter of Nicholas Fry and his so called step daughter - > his wife > indeed was as Ray Yount posted and I agree there is confusion among > the > generations here. > > Moselem Luthern Kirk Book states that Nicholas Frey was son of > Johannes Frey > and married 13 Mar. 1744 Maria Elizabeth Pabst, daughter of Heinrich > Pabst > and his wife Gertrud Kieffer. > > I don't believe this Nicholas had any step children, but any number > of other > scenarios could be made of the matter. > > Agnes Cloninger > > > --------------------- > In CATAWBA WEST Donna Simons posts the following: > > From: "Donna Simons" <donnal@core.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 > To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Adam Eckard's stepdaughter > > Sorry, can't help you there but maybe you can help me. Do you have > any info > on Adam Eckard/Echert's parents? It is rumored in my family tree > that my > gggg grandmother was Maria Barbery(Barbara) Eckard/Echert > b.1725-1730 died > 1792 Lincoln County NC and married Christian Treffenstatt. Their > daughter > Catherine Treffenstatt b. 1752 Catawba County NC d. 1792 Claremont > NC > married Martin Eckard. It is also rumored that Martin Eckard was > Maria > Eckard's nephew. I would love to prove or disprove this theory. > Any help anyone can give on this would be appreciated. > Donna > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > >