Dear Agnes, Lorena In "German Speaking People...", Lorena Eaker states that Christian Traffenstadt m. Dec. 1751 Maria Barbara Eckert, suggesting there must be some source for this marriage. Does anyone know what that source is? Ray On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:27:06 -0700 Agnes <agnesec@cableone.net> writes: > Sorry, but unless we prove that Maria Barbara who married Christian > Treffenstadt really was an Eckert, looking for her parents seems > pointless. > I accept the premise that she was, but have never proved it nor > found anyone > who can. No matter how many articles there have been in what > publication, we > all need proof for this. All that aside, Martin Eckard probably was > of the > same family as Adam, and posssibly a grandson. > > As to the matter of Nicholas Fry and his so called step daughter - > his wife > indeed was as Ray Yount posted and I agree there is confusion among > the > generations here. > > Moselem Luthern Kirk Book states that Nicholas Frey was son of > Johannes Frey > and married 13 Mar. 1744 Maria Elizabeth Pabst, daughter of Heinrich > Pabst > and his wife Gertrud Kieffer. > > I don't believe this Nicholas had any step children, but any number > of other > scenarios could be made of the matter. > > Agnes Cloninger > > > --------------------- > In CATAWBA WEST Donna Simons posts the following: > > From: "Donna Simons" <donnal@core.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 > To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Adam Eckard's stepdaughter > > Sorry, can't help you there but maybe you can help me. Do you have > any info > on Adam Eckard/Echert's parents? It is rumored in my family tree > that my > gggg grandmother was Maria Barbery(Barbara) Eckard/Echert > b.1725-1730 died > 1792 Lincoln County NC and married Christian Treffenstatt. Their > daughter > Catherine Treffenstatt b. 1752 Catawba County NC d. 1792 Claremont > NC > married Martin Eckard. It is also rumored that Martin Eckard was > Maria > Eckard's nephew. I would love to prove or disprove this theory. > Any help anyone can give on this would be appreciated. > Donna > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Sorry, but unless we prove that Maria Barbara who married Christian Treffenstadt really was an Eckert, looking for her parents seems pointless. I accept the premise that she was, but have never proved it nor found anyone who can. No matter how many articles there have been in what publication, we all need proof for this. All that aside, Martin Eckard probably was of the same family as Adam, and posssibly a grandson. As to the matter of Nicholas Fry and his so called step daughter - his wife indeed was as Ray Yount posted and I agree there is confusion among the generations here. Moselem Luthern Kirk Book states that Nicholas Frey was son of Johannes Frey and married 13 Mar. 1744 Maria Elizabeth Pabst, daughter of Heinrich Pabst and his wife Gertrud Kieffer. I don't believe this Nicholas had any step children, but any number of other scenarios could be made of the matter. Agnes Cloninger --------------------- In CATAWBA WEST Donna Simons posts the following: From: "Donna Simons" <donnal@core.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Adam Eckard's stepdaughter Sorry, can't help you there but maybe you can help me. Do you have any info on Adam Eckard/Echert's parents? It is rumored in my family tree that my gggg grandmother was Maria Barbery(Barbara) Eckard/Echert b.1725-1730 died 1792 Lincoln County NC and married Christian Treffenstatt. Their daughter Catherine Treffenstatt b. 1752 Catawba County NC d. 1792 Claremont NC married Martin Eckard. It is also rumored that Martin Eckard was Maria Eckard's nephew. I would love to prove or disprove this theory. Any help anyone can give on this would be appreciated. Donna

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Dear Donna, In an article on the Adam Eckard family in the Catawba County Heritage Book, the author tells about an old cemetery, since destroyed which had graves for a Hans Adam Eckert (single date of 1775), Magdalen Eckert (single date of 1799), and Daniel Eckert (single date of 1803). There has been speculation that Hans Adam and Magdalen were the parents of Adam Eckard and Barbara Eckard Treffenstatt. I descend from Christian and Barbara Eckard Treffenstatt through their daughter who married Godfrey Bolick. Best Regards, Ray Yount On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 "Donna Simons" <donnal@core.com> writes: > Sorry, can't help you there but maybe you can help me. Do you have > any info > on Adam Eckard/Echert's parents? It is rumored in my family tree > that my > gggg grandmother was Maria Barbery(Barbara) Eckard/Echert > b.1725-1730 died > 1792 Lincoln County NC and married Christian Treffenstatt. Their > daughter > Catherine Treffenstatt b. 1752 Catawba County NC d. 1792 Claremont > NC > married Martin Eckard. It is also rumored that Martin Eckard was > Maria > Eckard's nephew. I would love to prove or disprove this theory. > Any help anyone can give on this would be appreciated. > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Lail" <crlail41@charter.net> > To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:10 AM > Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Adam Eckard's stepdaughter > > > > In his will probated in LC, NC, in 1803, Adam Eckard/Echert Named > his 7 > children and his "stepdaughter Mary Fry, wife of Nicholas Fry." > > > > N icholas Fry's wife was Maria Elisabetha Pabst, d/o Heinrich > Pabst and > Gertrude Kieffer. How did Maria Elisabeth Pabst become the > stepdaughter of > Adam Eckard? Any insight into this mystery would be greatly > apprecciated. > > > > Charles Lail > > Catawba County > > > > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm > > > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC > For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ > Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

To the person who posted on GLASCOCK/GLASCOCH, please write me offline. --Derick derickh@charter.net

TO: Greg Cronk, Information Technology Director, Alexander County, NC Government Sarah Bowman, Computer Support Technician II, Alexander County, NC Government Deal descendants, Dear folks, My personal experience with Alexander County IT has been nothing less than excellent. Their progress in digitizing public records puts Catawba County to shame. Aside from expressing my gratitude for being on the leading edge in technology, I thankthe folks at the Alexander County Register of Deeds for their superb cooperation and friendly attitude. I have never been as warmly received at any records office in this country as I have at Taylorsville, NC. Perhaps someone in the county government could help me discover the identity of the gentleman that "Silas Deal Road" in named after. Could it be that the Silas Deal Road in Alexander County is named after William Silas Deal, son of Solomon, and recognized by his Confederate Military record: DEAL, WILLIAM S., Private - Previously served as Private in Company B, Mallett's N.C. Battalion (Camp Guard). Transferred to this company (Co. F, 38th Regiment, NC Troops) on June 7, 1864. Captured at Hatcher's Run, Virginia, April 2, 1865. Confined at Point Lookout, Maryland, April 6, 1865. Died at Point Lookout on May 30, 1,865, of "remit[tent] fever." [NC Troops-A Roster:10:60/CPOW:345] OBJECT OF THIS PROJECT: To provide a memorial stone for William Silas Deal, son of Solomon Deal. Old at the age of 41, he was wounded at Hatcher's Run and overlooked by his company, and unfortunately, left behind. Captured by the enemy, he spent seven weeks in the malaria-ridden prison of Point Lookout before succumbing to disease. Long before serving for the Confederate States Army, he was Secretary at St. John's and synod representative. (At the time, St. Johns Church was well attended by Reformists from Alexander County). William Silas originally served his country as a camp guard in Mallat's Batallion. He was well known and respected in his community during his life-time. Sadly, he is not remembered either in Catawba County or Alexander County with anything of a permanent nature. Perhaps Silas Deal existed on the boundary between anonymity and renown. Nevertheless, he is not remembered in either county to this day by any sort of memorial. On behalf of the descendants of Solomon and his son, William Silas Deal, I petition the conscience of this community to come together and remember this proud ancestor who came before all of us. Cut down in the autumn of his life, he is yet to be remembered. I propose that a memorial marker be erected in St. John's cemetery as near as possible to his Hoke, Smith and Yount ancestors as possible. Unless his wife's marker (Lilly Amanda Hoke 1828-1902) can be found, I also propose a marker to be erected to her, next to his. Please stay connected on the progress through: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/family/WilliamSilasDEAL.pdf Respectfully, Derick S. Hartshorn Conover, NC

Dear Charles, At the time of the will, the term "stepdaughter" could have meant "daughter-in-law". Perhaps Adam had a son who had married Mary -----. This son then died before Adam's will and Mary ----- Eckard then married Nicholas Fry. Due to age differences, the Nicholas Fry would not have been the one who married Maria Elizabeth Pabst, but perhaps their son or even grandson. Nicholas did have a son, Nicholas, Jr. who was born in 1746. According to Lorena Eaker's "German Speaking People ....", Nicholas, Jr. married (1) Catherine ----- and (2) Margaret Ansell or Onsell. Did he marry (3) Mary ----- Eckard? Adam Eckard did have a son, Peter, born in 1763 in Frederick County, MD, who is not named in Adam's will. Could Peter have married Mary ----, and then died before Adam's will was made? Best Regards, Ray Yount On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:10:31 -0500 "Charles Lail" <crlail41@charter.net> writes: > In his will probated in LC, NC, in 1803, Adam Eckard/Echert Named > his 7 children and his "stepdaughter Mary Fry, wife of Nicholas > Fry." > > N icholas Fry's wife was Maria Elisabetha Pabst, d/o Heinrich Pabst > and Gertrude Kieffer. How did Maria Elisabeth Pabst become the > stepdaughter of Adam Eckard? Any insight into this mystery would be > greatly apprecciated. > > Charles Lail > Catawba County > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: 2004 Cline Reunion Klein KLine aine CLINE FAMILY REUNION December 15, 2003 WHEN: June 25, 26, 27, 2004 WHERE: Mt Zion Lutheran Church 4420 County Home Road Conover, NC 28613 WHAT FOR: Fellowship, Fun, Family Gathering Friday night will begin with Dessert and a speaker starting at 6:00 PM. Saturday morning we will start with breakfast, prepared by Shawn, Bill Jones, and his son, as they did last year. There will be a tool identification segment. If you have a tool or some implement that you would like to bring along, please do and let's see if we can stump the group. There will be a silent auction, with some good surprises. If you have any old pictures that you would like to share with the group, please bring them along. We are planning some activities for the afternoon, or you can just hang around the church and get caught up with the latest ITom your cousins. Then in the evening we will of course, EAT EAT EAT. Sunday will close with final farewells. Please pass this data along to any person who might be interested. And if you can please send addresses and e-mail addresses to ckspruill@yahoo.com We have the list ITom 2000 but need additions and up-dates. MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLOW

Sorry, can't help you there but maybe you can help me. Do you have any info on Adam Eckard/Echert's parents? It is rumored in my family tree that my gggg grandmother was Maria Barbery(Barbara) Eckard/Echert b.1725-1730 died 1792 Lincoln County NC and married Christian Treffenstatt. Their daughter Catherine Treffenstatt b. 1752 Catawba County NC d. 1792 Claremont NC married Martin Eckard. It is also rumored that Martin Eckard was Maria Eckard's nephew. I would love to prove or disprove this theory. Any help anyone can give on this would be appreciated. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Lail" <crlail41@charter.net> To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Adam Eckard's stepdaughter > In his will probated in LC, NC, in 1803, Adam Eckard/Echert Named his 7 children and his "stepdaughter Mary Fry, wife of Nicholas Fry." > > N icholas Fry's wife was Maria Elisabetha Pabst, d/o Heinrich Pabst and Gertrude Kieffer. How did Maria Elisabeth Pabst become the stepdaughter of Adam Eckard? Any insight into this mystery would be greatly apprecciated. > > Charles Lail > Catawba County > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >

In his will probated in LC, NC, in 1803, Adam Eckard/Echert Named his 7 children and his "stepdaughter Mary Fry, wife of Nicholas Fry." N icholas Fry's wife was Maria Elisabetha Pabst, d/o Heinrich Pabst and Gertrude Kieffer. How did Maria Elisabeth Pabst become the stepdaughter of Adam Eckard? Any insight into this mystery would be greatly apprecciated. Charles Lail Catawba County

Hi, all- Need clarification re the James Drayman Deitz appearing to be s/o of Martha Deitz, both residing at the south end of 16th, Hickory, NC on p. 13 of Catawba Cousins, Vol. 17, No. 3, December 2002. The is also a James T. Deitz b. 24 Jan 1874; d. 16 May 1962 per p. 49, Vol. 1 of Catawba Co. Cemeteries, p. 49 and Martha Deitz is buried in same row, same cemetery (Surname is Dietz on this page). This Martha d/o of Soloman, Sr. & Elizabeth Deitz appears to have had 9 children and was unmarried as far as I know. Are these James Dietz/Deitz the same person? Thanks. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

For all those who have been trying to keep up with the events at the Wilson-Robinson Cemetery, we will be having a cemetery clean-up weekend, January 2,3, (Friday and Saturday) 2004. All information about the project will be kept up to date on the Cemetery Web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/wilson1/cemetery.htm Anyone desiring to see the preservation of this heritage initiated is encouraged to attend and expend their talents. John Jay Cline will have the FPC Boy Scout Troop #903 at the cemetery. Anyone who would like to assist is urged to contact John, at jcline@hickorytravel.webmail.com See you there, --Derick

John L. Setzer, 528 Country Club Circle, Shelby NC 28150, called tonight and said the 1000+ page Setzer Book he wrote came from the printer today and is available for purchase. The cost is $60 plus postage. His telephone # is 704 482 2660. Carolyn Setzer Sigmon

Miles Logan Yount was my GG uncle and I would greatly appreciate a pictuce of him Bruce Yount

A picture of Miles Yount in Catawba Soldier p 130. I know a guy named Yount lives Fairbook area that looks very much like this Miles' picture. In fact, I know seveal people that look a lot like men with the same surname pictured in this book. My parents Maynell Burris & Gerald Murray Yoder both died this year, ages 85 & 86. We audio taped Dad telling old stories of growing up in "Yodertown" on Yoder Reunion Sunday, 2 weeks before he died. CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 CATAWBA-WEST-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Miles A. Yount, ["Derick Hartshorn" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CATAWBA-WEST-D, send a message to CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:45:37 -0500 From: "Derick Hartshorn" To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CATAWBA-WEST] Miles A. Yount, Eliza (unknown) Yount, Eliza Yount and John W. Propst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Propst" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Miles A. Yount, Eliza (unknown) Yount, Eliza Yount and John W. Propst > Hi, > > Need help in sorting out Miles Alfred Yount, .......... > I have 1st Lt. Miles Alfred Yount (1833-1866 Catawba Co., NC & buried in > St. John's Lutheran Church Cemetery). This John had a wife Eliza > unknown and a daughter, Cora B. Yount b. 1865 who m. Lewis Jerome Hewitt > in 1884 in Catawba Co., NC. I am assuming that Miles died intestate as > there is not a Miles Yount listed in "NC Wills: A Testator Index, > 1665-1900" by Thornton W. Mitchell. FYI YOUNT, MILES A., 1st Lieutenant, Co. A, 12th Regiment - Resided in Catawba County and was by occupation a carpenter prior to enlisting in Catawba County at age 26, April 27, 1861. Mustered in as 1st Sergeant and was appointed 2nd Lieutenant to rank from September 16, 1861. Promoted to 1st Lieutenant on June 5, 1862. Present or accounted for until wounded and captured at or near Sharpsburg, Maryland, on or about September 17, 1862. Confined at Fort McHenry, Maryland, and at Fort Monroe, Virginia, until received at Aiken's Landing, James River, Virginia; October 19, 1862, for exchange. Declared exchanged at Aiken's Landing on November 10, 1862. Present or accounted for until hospitalized at Richmond, Virginia, February 17, 1864, with a gunshot wound of the left side; however, place and date wounded not reported. Retired to the Invalid Corps on May 16, 1864. [NCT-5:118] --Derick --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra C. Blackard" <debrablackard@centurytel.net> To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Old Lincoln Co. land > Greetings: > I would like to locate some specific parcels of land in what was once > Lincoln Co. I am not as familiar with platting land using metes and bounds > as with the grid system of younger areas. > > My interest is in being able to locate the exact plat of land on a modern > map. I would like to visit the area someday and be able to see the actual > land on which my ancestors lived. > > Can someone help? > Debra Blackard I don't think this made it to the list as you haven't subscribed: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NC/misc.html Please see the following page for some help on the basics: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/landgrnt.htm The website for DeedMapper is: http://users.rcn.com/deeds/index.shtml They have a list of researchers: http://users.rcn.com/deeds/pool.htm They also have a forum: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/DEED-MAPPER-USERS.html Perhaps some one would care to share some plots in Lincoln Co., NC --Derick

Hi Derickh Do you know where I can get a picture of the uniform worn by The Catawba Rifles ( company A , 12th NC Inf) if not a picture at least a description of the uniform Thanks Bruce Yount

Seeking to contact any and all descendants of WILLIAM SILAS DEAL. This member of the "Fallen 600 of Catawba County" lies in a faraway grave. His life was given in the defense of his country. Sadly, the cause of death was not from battle wounds. A victim of typhoid fever, he quickly wasted away and was buried in the cold, damp earth of Point Lookout Prison, Maryland. A member of St. John's Church and leader of the laity before he left for war, Silas Deal still has no marker in Catawba County to remind us of the brave sacrifice he made. After 138 years, isn't it about time? In cooperation with any and all descendants, the CF Connor SCV Camp #849 will make the memorialization of William Silas Deal a priority project. Any and all assistance that we can provide will be a fulfillment of our charge: "To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish. [Lt. General Stephen Dill Lee, Commander General, United Confederate Veterans, New Orleans, Louisiana, April 25, 1906.] When the time comes to place a memorial marker in Private Deal's name, we would like any and all descendants to have an important role. Please contact me if you are a descendant os W.S. Deal and you will be kept up to date on any developments. The history of William S. Deal can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/family/WilliamSilasDEAL.pdf His father, Solomon Deal (unknown parentage), can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/family/SolomonDEAL.pdf --Derick

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Propst" <annsid@citcom.net> To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Miles A. Yount, Eliza (unknown) Yount, Eliza Yount and John W. Propst > Hi, > > Need help in sorting out Miles Alfred Yount, .......... > I have 1st Lt. Miles Alfred Yount (1833-1866 Catawba Co., NC & buried in > St. John's Lutheran Church Cemetery). This John had a wife Eliza > unknown and a daughter, Cora B. Yount b. 1865 who m. Lewis Jerome Hewitt > in 1884 in Catawba Co., NC. I am assuming that Miles died intestate as > there is not a Miles Yount listed in "NC Wills: A Testator Index, > 1665-1900" by Thornton W. Mitchell. FYI YOUNT, MILES A., 1st Lieutenant, Co. A, 12th Regiment - Resided in Catawba County and was by occupation a carpenter prior to enlisting in Catawba County at age 26, April 27, 1861. Mustered in as 1st Sergeant and was appointed 2nd Lieutenant to rank from September 16, 1861. Promoted to 1st Lieutenant on June 5, 1862. Present or accounted for until wounded and captured at or near Sharpsburg, Maryland, on or about September 17, 1862. Confined at Fort McHenry, Maryland, and at Fort Monroe, Virginia, until received at Aiken's Landing, James River, Virginia; October 19, 1862, for exchange. Declared exchanged at Aiken's Landing on November 10, 1862. Present or accounted for until hospitalized at Richmond, Virginia, February 17, 1864, with a gunshot wound of the left side; however, place and date wounded not reported. Retired to the Invalid Corps on May 16, 1864. [NCT-5:118] --Derick

Hi, Need help in sorting out Miles Alfred Yount, two Eliza Younts and John W. Propst. Any additions/corrections will be appreciated. I have 1st Lt. Miles Alfred Yount (1833-1866 Catawba Co., NC & buried in St. John's Lutheran Church Cemetery). This John had a wife Eliza unknown and a daughter, Cora B. Yount b. 1865 who m. Lewis Jerome Hewitt in 1884 in Catawba Co., NC. I am assuming that Miles died intestate as there is not a Miles Yount listed in "NC Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900" by Thornton W. Mitchell. Then I have Eliza Yount (Jul 1846-aft 1900) who m. on 21 Sep 1887 in Catawba Co., NC John W. Propst (May 1830-after 1900). So far I don't know the parents of this John W. Propst or this Eliza Yount. My question is it possible that Eliza unknown, the widow of Miles Alfred Yount and the Eliza Yount, wife of John W. Propst are one and same person? I have a Will Propst and wife, Susan Detter with a son, Sidney G. Propst b. 1881 who m. Ellen Shook in 1900 in Catawba Co., NC. Is this John W.? Also, William Propst (parents unknown) who m. Susan C. Propst, (d/o Jacob Propst and Sarah "Sallie" Dietz Propst), who died 21 Jun 1887 Lincoln Co., NC Ann Propst, Brevard, NC