Catawba Cousins is the publication of the Catawba County Genealogical society that is delivered to all members every quarter. It began in July of 1986, and I have all of them except for a few years when my interest in genealogy went on hold. Go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ccgsmain.htm For more information and details - the past copies of this publication seem to be available. Agnes Cloninger On 4/20/04 9:00 AM, "CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com" <CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >

I've seen several list members mention this book (or books). Where can I buy it/them? Thanks much, Carol Brown

Hi- Need clarification on wife of Martin Luther Houston. According to p. 210 of Catawba County NC Marriage 1842-1900 wife of Martin L. Houston cited as Mattie J. Huffman, d/o of Alf and Dollie & married on 22 Dec1889. In Catawba Cousins, Vol. 9, No. 4, March 1995, p. 15 in an article on their 50th wedding anniversary, wife of Martin Luther House is shown as MISS MATTIE JANE LYTTON & states marriage occurred on 23 Dec. Both are buried in St. Peter's Lutheran Church Cemetery, Catawba Co., NC. Please if anyone knows which is correct I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

Hi, Does anyone know the parents of Mary Palmer b. 7 Dec 1821; d. 1 Aug 1904 in NC? She m. William Fox in 1839 (which William is a puzzle). They had 11 children, 6 of whom survive her (names unknown to me). She was baptized and confirmed in Evangelical Lutheran Church by Rev. P. C. Henkel. She was fondly called "Aunt Polly Fox". She was buried in Friendship Lutheran Church which I think is in Alexander Co., NC. Thanks in advance.. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

I'm pleased to announce the new Burke County NCGenWeb Page. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/index.htm While it is still under construction, it is fully-functional and will make searching the site a lot easier. I am always looking for documents and records, families and surname, as well as other interesting information about Burke County. Please feel free to let me know about stuff that doesn't link or if you spot any errors. Thanks, Derick S. Hartshorn Burke County NCGenWeb

Hi, Need assistance regarding MISS Julia Gross who died 28 May 1881 from burns. Per 1880 Catawba Co., NC Census, p 4, listed are: Frances Hoyle Gross, widow; Absolum Alexander Gross, his wife, Julina, and daughter Ider. Per 1900 Catawba Co., NC Census, Vol. 1, p. 262 of the Millennium Edition, date of death for wife, Julina is 28 May 1881. Absolum A. Gross m. (2) Martha E. Johnson in 1883. Did not see a listing for Ider in 1900; did she marry or die? In 1860 Catawba Co., NC Census, p 4, is listed Julia Eliza Ann Gross b. c. 1859, d/o Ephraim Gross and Frances Hoyle Gross. In "Catawba Cousins," Vol. 9, No. 3, Dec 1994, p. 27 (C. C. and M. M. Bost Diary) are the following two entries in 1881: May 10. Miss Julia Gross and her mother burned while pouring kerosene in stove to start fire.. May 28. Julia Gross died from effects of burns a few weeks ago. Is the person who died Julia d/o of Ephraim and Frances or Julina w/o Absolum? Where are two these ladies buried? I have a notation that possibly Julia Gross m. James Buff. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

It is my understanding that the bastardy bonds were required to ensure the child was supported by the father INSTEAD of by the county. "North Carolina Research" by Leary and Stirewalt, page 254 says in part "The bastardy bond was the principal means of "saving the county harmless" , as it required the individuals responsible for the children's births to support them." Jim Campbell - with roots in Haywood and Catawba Counties, NC My home page (just my lines, not everyone) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jecralnc My GEDCOM (everyone, except the living, in my database) http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jecralnc G. Lee Hearl wrote: >Rick Wrote: > > >>>>>>>If they had those bonds today-WOW. I don't think they even enforce the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >law in NC.<<< >Rick, >They enforce child support to day just as they did in the days of Bastardly >Bonds. Women who had children out of wedlock in the old days were fined, >today they get child support from the father. Bastardly bonds were required >to ensure the child was supported either by the father or by the county. >G. Lee Hearl >Authentic Appalachian Storyteller >Abingdon, Va. > >

Rick Wrote: >>>>>>If they had those bonds today-WOW. I don't think they even enforce the law in NC.<<< Rick, They enforce child support to day just as they did in the days of Bastardly Bonds. Women who had children out of wedlock in the old days were fined, today they get child support from the father. Bastardly bonds were required to ensure the child was supported either by the father or by the county. G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Call me stupid but why was bastardy bonds such a big thing in those days? My son had a child out of wedlock. The first time I saw her I called her my little bastard. My wife had a fit. He has since married the mother and had her name changed to Lail. If they had those bonds today-WOW. I don't think they even enforce the law in NC. Rick Lail 2500 Streets Ferry Rd Vanceboro, NC --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet Service]

In a message dated 4/15/04 9:02:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SetzerAncestry@aol.com writes: I have the book "North Carolina Bastardy Bonds" by Betty and Edwin Camin, so if anybody needs a look-up let me know. Thanks, Carol Brown Hi I'm Melanie, I'm looking for a Bastardy Bond that Nancey McEntire Thompson b Jan 5, 1799 d Jan 27, 1876 filed a bond on child born to her before she married Dec 1825, to Jacob Wolfe b Nov 1, 1798, d Dec 11,1865, they lived in Rutherford County, NC, but were in Cleveland County, when it split in 1841 or so, are buried at Beulah Methodist Cemetery, Cleveland County, NC after being moved from first burial in Rutherford County, in Old Hopewell Cemetery, listed under small cemeteries according to Bill Floyd. These are my 3xgreatgrandparents. Thanks so much, Melanie Malone

> Don and Ann, the book that I have on the > Lagle/Lail gives Henry's birth in 1790. His > wife Margaret was in 1791 in Lincoln Co. > Henry was born in Mecklenburg Co. according > to the book. > Sylvanus is buried at St. Peter's. The book also > gives his birth on Jan. 20, 1834 in Lincoln Co. > OOPs. I read the dates wrong in the book. > Catherine Lail b. 1-20-1834 chr 2-29-1834 > Sylvanus b. 2-28-1852 d 4-8-1920 > It has the word paramour at the end of her > listing. I don't know what that means. First off you are probably quoting from the book that Margaret Hopkins and I did called "The Lagle/ Lail Family in America". To date there have been 4 editions and some things are different between them. One thing that changed was the birth year of Henry the father of Catherine 1832. We had two birth years given (1784,1790) and eventually we settled on the earlier date. Paramour is French for Margaret hated to say that the other parent was not married to our Lagle/Lail. The literal translation is lover. I hope this helps. Don Lail __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Agnes, et. al-- The only thing I can add to David Franklin Deal b. 5 Aug 1819 is that he had a brother, Lawson, b. 1816 m. Jane Austin (and wouldn't you know it, I didn't document that piece of data--or it was lost in my hard drive crash of a year ago--Ugghh!). Then there was a Lawson A. Deal b. 13 Jul 1816, s/o of Solomon and Sarah Yount Deal, that m. Susan Fulbright. I've never combined these two Lawson Deals as I was not sure if they were same person and that David Franklin Deal was a s/o Solomon Deal. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC -----Original Message----- From: Agnes [mailto:agnesec@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:36 AM To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Deal/Dealesnyder Perhaps it is time to try again on these families. I did have a nice note from Ann Propst about the family with a variance in the spelling. And I appreciate all the input I can get. She found them in the St. Peters Lutheran Ch. Records as published in Catawba Cousins. I have David Franklin Deal, always known as "Frank" b 5 Aug 1820 or 5 Aug 1819 - both dates are given in records, of then Lincoln, now Catawba Co., NC, buried 28 Mar 1898 at St. John's Cemetery, Conover. Parents are a mystery. Married 9 Mar 1851 in Catawba Co., to Delilah Longcrier daughter of Jacob and Catherine Bolick Longcrier. Early in the history of this area there was a Delesnyder family, (spell it how you will). One of the daughters was Catherine Dealesnyder b abt 1797 who m by bond dated 10 Apr 1814 in Lincoln Co., NC to Daniel Sipe, and moved away. The Sipe family info is well done and documented and available but it does not give Catherine's siblings, nor much of anything about her. I have her father as Andrew Dealesnyder but that is speculation, using the US Census as a guide. Anyone who has any information to add to this scenario is invited to jump in. Comments, discussion, agreement, disagreement, advice all valuable and welcome. I have been clawing at this brick wall for about 30 years and get nowhere. Agnes Cloninger. ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page

Perhaps it is time to try again on these families. I did have a nice note from Ann Propst about the family with a variance in the spelling. And I appreciate all the input I can get. She found them in the St. Peters Lutheran Ch. Records as published in Catawba Cousins. I have David Franklin Deal, always known as "Frank" b 5 Aug 1820 or 5 Aug 1819 - both dates are given in records, of then Lincoln, now Catawba Co., NC, buried 28 Mar 1898 at St. John's Cemetery, Conover. Parents are a mystery. Married 9 Mar 1851 in Catawba Co., to Delilah Longcrier daughter of Jacob and Catherine Bolick Longcrier. Early in the history of this area there was a Delesnyder family, (spell it how you will). One of the daughters was Catherine Dealesnyder b abt 1797 who m by bond dated 10 Apr 1814 in Lincoln Co., NC to Daniel Sipe, and moved away. The Sipe family info is well done and documented and available but it does not give Catherine's siblings, nor much of anything about her. I have her father as Andrew Dealesnyder but that is speculation, using the US Census as a guide. Anyone who has any information to add to this scenario is invited to jump in. Comments, discussion, agreement, disagreement, advice all valuable and welcome. I have been clawing at this brick wall for about 30 years and get nowhere. Agnes Cloninger.

I have the book "North Carolina Bastardy Bonds" by Betty and Edwin Camin, so if anybody needs a look-up let me know. Thanks, Carol Brown (grandma was a Setser)

Dear Ann I am the one who posted that query, and have done so here and there and off and on ever since. I must have missed the entry, sometimes I let my subscription lapse and suspect that I did at that time. I will take a good hard look at what you have sent and see if I can fit it in anywhere. Thank you for sending it, your interest is much appreciated. Agnes Cloninger On 4/15/04 2:00 AM, "CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com" <CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: Ann Propst <annsid@citcom.net> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:30:28 -0500 > To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Dielensnider, Henry Miles b. 1825 > > Hi- > > A long time back and I can't remember which RootsWeb list the query was > made regarding the surname DEALSNYDER. In "Catawba Cousins," Vol. 10, > No. 2, Sep 1995, p. 14 is the entry of Henry Miles Dielensnider, son of > ?, born 6 Dec 1825 per Births & Baptisms, St. Peter's Lutheran Church > Records. > > On p. 15 listed is Susanah Deal, d/o Simon Deal, born 11 May 1829 and > baptized in the same year; also is Silas Deal, s/o William Deal, born 12 > Jan 1830 and baptized the same year. On p. 18 is the entry of Jacob > Deal, s/o Simon Deal, b. 9 Jun 1832; baptized 29 Jul 1832. > > Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

At 05:24 PM 4/14/2004, Rick Lail wrote: > Don and Ann, the book that I have on the Lagle/Lail gives Henry's birth in >1790. His wife Margaret was in 1791 in Lincoln Co. Henry was born in >Mecklenburg Co. according to the book. > > Sylanus is buried at St. Peter's. The book also gives his birth on Jan, 20 >, 1834 in Lincoln Co. > > > Rick Lail > 2500 Streets Ferry Rd > Vanceboro, NC I show Sylvanus in the 1920 Clines Twp. census as age 67. He was in residence 45/45 Census enumerated 17 Jan 1920. --Derick

At 05:08 PM 4/14/2004, Findme123@aol.com wrote: >Hello Norma, Anne and all, >May I share my info on this family as well. My main interest is in the Cline >family, but have gathered much info on Henderson as well. > >I have the death info of Henderson as follows: >Henderson died at home between June 1862 and 1870 per oral family history. >He died of the fever and is buried in an unmarked grave in Rocky Mount >Methodist Cemetery, formerly the Sherrill Plantation Cemetery. His widow, Fannie, >applied for her widow's pension application, stating that Henderson contracted >chronic Pacred (pancreas) on 24 June 1862. His granddaughter remember that >granddad died of the fever and never came home. >A contradiction exists in the Catawba Co., NC cemetery book, which states >that a P. H. White is buried next to Fannie. > >Ann thank you for including your sources, which are definitely a good example >to follow in the detail you have included. Its been a while since we last >talked, its good to see you online again. >Sharon Sustar Actually, the CCC Vol. 4:26 index entry is somewhat misleading. P.H. was included in the index as a "mentionable entry." Fannie, Wife of P H White 6 July 1824 - 1 Nov 1914 Aged 90y 3m 25d --Derick

OOPs. I read the dates wrong in the book. Catherine Lail b. 1-20-1834 chr 2-29-1834 Sylvanus b. 2-28-1852 d 4-8-1920 It has the word paramour at the end of her listing. I don't know what that means. Rick Lail 2500 Streets Ferry Rd Vanceboro, NC

Don and Ann, the book that I have on the Lagle/Lail gives Henry's birth in 1790. His wife Margaret was in 1791 in Lincoln Co. Henry was born in Mecklenburg Co. according to the book. Sylanus is buried at St. Peter's. The book also gives his birth on Jan, 20 , 1834 in Lincoln Co. Rick Lail 2500 Streets Ferry Rd Vanceboro, NC --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet Service]

Hello Norma, Anne and all, May I share my info on this family as well. My main interest is in the Cline family, but have gathered much info on Henderson as well. I have the death info of Henderson as follows: Henderson died at home between June 1862 and 1870 per oral family history. He died of the fever and is buried in an unmarked grave in Rocky Mount Methodist Cemetery, formerly the Sherrill Plantation Cemetery. His widow, Fannie, applied for her widow's pension application, stating that Henderson contracted chronic Pacred (pancreas) on 24 June 1862. His granddaughter remember that granddad died of the fever and never came home. A contradiction exists in the Catawba Co., NC cemetery book, which states that a P. H. White is buried next to Fannie. Ann thank you for including your sources, which are definitely a good example to follow in the detail you have included. Its been a while since we last talked, its good to see you online again. Sharon Sustar