Sherry, B.S. does not stand for bastard son, and H.S. does not stand for his son. Shame on whoever told you this. All legal terms and abbreviations can be found in "North Carolina Research, Genealogy and Local History" by Helen F. M. Leary and Maurice R. Stirewalt. and the "North Carolina Gazetteer" by William S. Powell. the Gazetteer will, also, identify where the creeks and rivers lay. These books may be found in most NC libraries. Additional information may be found in Volume II of the "Lincoln County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, July 1796 - January 1805", by McAllister and Kathy Sullivan. Also information may be found in Volume One of the "Lincoln County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, July 1796-1805" B.S. = Bill of Sale The initials are usually for an officer of the Court. For example "J.P." is a justice of the peace. C.C. is the Clerk of Court. I am so glad you asked this question. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gray6064@aol.com> To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Deciphering documents > I have several documents we've been examining....wills, estate sales, etc. > One thing has popped up on an estate sale that I have never, ever seen before. > > The estate sale, listing of people who purchased, with the same surname and > with, "H.S.", or "G.H.S.", and "B.S." behind their names. The actual "S" > looks like and 'L', but I think that was the way it was written in 1835. If > anyone has advise on how to tell the difference between and 1835 'L' and an 'S', I > would be most grateful. And also any thoughts on the initials. Someone > told me they thought the 'B.S.' stood for bastard son and the 'H.S.' stood for > his son, but I'm not sure. Thanks to all. > Sherry > > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC > For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ > Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page > >

I have several documents we've been examining....wills, estate sales, etc. One thing has popped up on an estate sale that I have never, ever seen before. The estate sale, listing of people who purchased, with the same surname and with, "H.S.", or "G.H.S.", and "B.S." behind their names. The actual "S" looks like and 'L', but I think that was the way it was written in 1835. If anyone has advise on how to tell the difference between and 1835 'L' and an 'S', I would be most grateful. And also any thoughts on the initials. Someone told me they thought the 'B.S.' stood for bastard son and the 'H.S.' stood for his son, but I'm not sure. Thanks to all. Sherry

In the Catawba County Cemetery book 2 page 126 the listing for Lewis M. Hewitt gives his birth date as 13 Feb 1868 and his death date as 25 Nov 1890, which is unfortunate since his wife produced three children after that date, Georgia b July 1891, Myrtle b Jul 1895 and Mary born Nov 1896. In the 1900 census she is recorded as being a widow. I know he was married to Frances Ann Moose daughter of Elkanah and Sarah Wike Moose, in 1889. I know this death date for him is in error but am not able to verify a correct one - can someone please help? Agnes Cloninger

Mary, There does seem to be conflicting information as to when Levi W. Stallings was born. Here are his ages from the U.S. censuses, 1860 - 1920. I would guess that he was born about 1853. The closer in time to the event that a record is made, the more likely it is to be accurate. Teri He is 7 years old in 1860. He is 16 years old in 1870. He is 26 years old in 1880. He is 55 years old in 1900. He is 60 years old in 1910. He is 62 years old in 1920. Here is the family's 1880 census record in case you have not already seen it. 1880 U.S. Census Levi W. STALLINS Lovelady, Burke, North Carolina National Archives micropublication T9, roll 954, ED 41, SD 4, page 271A, (page 17 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 124, family 124 Date of enumeration: 09 June 1880 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Levi W. STALLINS Self M Male W 26 NC Farmer NC NC Annie E. STALLINS Wife M Female W 35 NC Keeping House NC NC James W. STALLINS Son S Male W 9 NC NC NC John A. STALLINS Son S Male W 7 NC NC NC Julius B. STALLINS Son S Male W 4 NC NC NC May E. STALLINS Dau S Female W 2 NC NC NC Willie H. STALLINS Son S Male W 6M NC NC NC Teri Tillman

At 01:06 PM 7/19/2004, CBGILBERT@aol.com wrote: >I need help from my fellow board members. I have been analyzing the 1910 >Maiden, NC census and have finished picking it apart now I want to write >the info >up so that anyone who is interested can find out all they could ever want to >know about Maiden in 1910s. >I want to make the data interesting for people rather than "In 1910 x people >lived in Maiden and y people worked in the mills and z people still farmed" >SNOOOOZZZZ! >What do ya'll suggest? >And why Maiden, because that's my home town even though we've lived at the >beach for over 20 years, it's still home. >Thanks to all, >Cynthia There is a page to download census forms for free: http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestry.com%2Fsave%2Fcharts%2Fcensus.htm If you have a printed copy of the census, its an easy matter to transcribe it to and Excel file using the forms provided. Good luck, --Derick

I need help from my fellow board members. I have been analyzing the 1910 Maiden, NC census and have finished picking it apart now I want to write the info up so that anyone who is interested can find out all they could ever want to know about Maiden in 1910s. I want to make the data interesting for people rather than "In 1910 x people lived in Maiden and y people worked in the mills and z people still farmed" SNOOOOZZZZ! What do ya'll suggest? And why Maiden, because that's my home town even though we've lived at the beach for over 20 years, it's still home. Thanks to all, Cynthia

At 04:31 PM 7/17/2004, Teri Tillman wrote: >Derick, > >Thank you for your response. I am glad to have the parentage of Levi W. >Stallings confirmed. The Rinck-Stallings connection is now clear. What is >not clear is why George Lagle was living with the Rincks in 1870. Something >may turn up later that makes this connection obvious. > >You mentioned that you believed that Ransom C. Lail was the son of George >Lagle and Ann Melissa Starnes, and that he married May Sue Miller. Do you >recall your source for this? > I think the Lale family tree (in the Lagle / >Lale family book) indicates that a Ransom A. Lail, son of Ransom C. Lail, >married a Mary Miller. I did not see a marriage record for either of them in >the Catawba County marriage records that have been published. > >Thanks again for your help. > >Teri Tillman I used the date "before 1883" as an estimate for the Mary Sue Miller marriage. The marriage may have been performed in Burke or Caldwell Co., NC There are at least five Ransom Lails in my database. The brief research I have done doesn't shed any more light on them. There are obvious discrepancies in the several trees I have studied. I wish I had the time to try and get the mess straightened out. --Derick

Again I have a dilemma. WILLIAM FRANKLIN EPPS 1872-1963 (son of John A. Epps and Julia Shores who were unmarried) married LILY PEARL MOOSE 1887-1969. Lily Pearl was the daughter of JOHN MOOSE and CANDACE SHOOK, according to the marriage record. I can find no evidence that these two were ever married. I do find the following: 1900 LILLIE MOOSE age 13 was living with her mother CANDACE age 36 who is married to a QUINCY CHRISTOPHER. The father of Candace, JACOB SHOOK age 87 is living in the same household. The marriage register for Catawba Co. shows QUINCY CHRISTOPHER married to CANDACE SHOOK March 1898, which makes one wonder why she was not married as "Candace Moose", since that was supposed to have been her name. There are those who claim that John A. Epps was married to Julia Shores, but he never was. He was instead married to Ellen Pernina Deal, who was an aunt of my mother-in-law. William Franklin Epps was born out-of-wedlock, and he was not the only child John A. Epps fathered out of wedlock, by a long way. He did produce children with about 4 women that I know of and married only one. Right now I am trying to straighten out the Candace Shook and Lilly Pearl Moose thing. Can anyone add to this saga - all information is welcome, no matter how small or even how unlikely. Agnes Cloninger

Mimi Take another look at these names you have listed - it seems that the Christina R. age 7 in 1850 and the Christina age 16 in 1860 are actually the Christian Reitzel you are looking for. In fact in the 1850 census he is listed as Christian and it is noted that he is male. He is also listed as a male in 1860. Must be the summer doldrums are getting to you? I know very well you are a better researcher than the average. Agnes C. On 7/18/04 9:00 AM, "CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com" <CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: "Mary Harbinson" <m.harbinson@worldnet.att.net> > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:31:12 -0700 > To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Ephriam Rinck and Christiana Dietz Rinck > > They were married in 1842 , > In the 1850 census : > Ephriam Rinck age 33 Gunsmith > Christina age 27 > Christina R. age 7 > Anna E. age 5 > John H. age 3 > Polly C. age 5 months. > > 1860 census > Ephriam Rinck age 44 > Christiana Dietz Rinck age 37 > Christina age 16 > Ann E. age 15 > John H. age 12 > Mary C. age 10 > John H. age 12 > Mary C. age 10 > Polly age 9 > Don't know who this Polly is she seems to be another child I don't have since > Mary C. is listed and she was called Polly also. Could Polly have been > Elizabeth M.? > Any ideas on this one. I had also missed Christina in my list of children > also. So its good to go back and look at these things again. > > 1870 census Lenoir Township Caldwell Co > Ephriam Rink age 50 > Christiana age 45 > Mary C. age 20 > George Lagle age 10 > Harriet Wilson age 10 > > > > 1880 Census Hickory Township > Ephriam Rink age 64 > Christiana age 57 > Polly C. daughter age 30 > > Now one strange thing there is no mention of Christian Rietzel Rink who I know > was a son and This line has a family reunion all the time in Hickory that I > have attended. He was born in 1843 and should have been in the 1850 census I > would think? >

Ann, Thank you for your response. I did not know about the daughter of Ephraim Rinck who was married to a Stallings before she married Pont Deal. I suspect that this was the Elizabeth Stallings who was living with the Rincks in 1870. Thanks also for pointing out the burial places of these individuals. I will look for them on my next visit to Hickory. Teri Tillman -----Original Message----- From: Ann Propst [mailto:annsid@citcom.net] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:05 PM To: 'Teri Tillman'; CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CATAWBA-WEST] RINCK, STALLINGS, LAGLE 1870 census Hi, Terri-- There was George [Lagle] Lail m. Ann Melissa Starnes on 23 Feb 1857 Catawba Co., NC by E. Yount, J.P. I am unaware of who the parents were for either of them. Children: George W., c. 1858, m. Ellen J. Deitz in 1879 Catawba Co., NC; Eliza J., c. 1858; Ransom c. 1859; and Susan 18 Feb. 1862, m. James W. Abernethy in 1879 Catawba Co., NC (both buried in (old) Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery in Catawba Co., NC. There was a dau. of Ephraim, Mary E. Stallings (is this Elizabeth?) who m. Pont C. Deal on 7 Sep 1879 Catawba Co., NC by J. C. Hartley at Mason Stallings (both buried in Bethlehem Methodist Church Cemetery, Catawba Co., NC Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

Derick, Thank you for your response. I am glad to have the parentage of Levi W. Stallings confirmed. The Rinck-Stallings connection is now clear. What is not clear is why George Lagle was living with the Rincks in 1870. Something may turn up later that makes this connection obvious. You mentioned that you believed that Ransom C. Lail was the son of George Lagle and Ann Melissa Starnes, and that he married May Sue Miller. Do you recall your source for this? I think the Lale family tree (in the Lagle / Lale family book) indicates that a Ransom A. Lail, son of Ransom C. Lail, married a Mary Miller. I did not see a marriage record for either of them in the Catawba County marriage records that have been published. Thanks again for your help. Teri Tillman

They were married in 1842 , In the 1850 census : Ephriam Rinck age 33 Gunsmith Christina age 27 Christina R. age 7 Anna E. age 5 John H. age 3 Polly C. age 5 months. 1860 census Ephriam Rinck age 44 Christiana Dietz Rinck age 37 Christina age 16 Ann E. age 15 John H. age 12 Mary C. age 10 John H. age 12 Mary C. age 10 Polly age 9 Don't know who this Polly is she seems to be another child I don't have since Mary C. is listed and she was called Polly also. Could Polly have been Elizabeth M.? Any ideas on this one. I had also missed Christina in my list of children also. So its good to go back and look at these things again. 1870 census Lenoir Township Caldwell Co Ephriam Rink age 50 Christiana age 45 Mary C. age 20 George Lagle age 10 Harriet Wilson age 10 1880 Census Hickory Township Ephriam Rink age 64 Christiana age 57 Polly C. daughter age 30 Now one strange thing there is no mention of Christian Rietzel Rink who I know was a son and This line has a family reunion all the time in Hickory that I have attended. He was born in 1843 and should have been in the 1850 census I would think?

Do you think Elizabeth M. Could just have been another daughter of Ephriam that I don't have? And we are talking about two different people Anna Emeline who married the Stallings and then Elizabeth M. that married the Deal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Tillman" <natzrose@bellsouth.net> To: <CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [CATAWBA-WEST] RINCK, STALLINGS, LAGLE 1870 census > Ann, > > Thank you for your response. I did not know about the daughter of Ephraim > Rinck who was married to a Stallings before she married Pont Deal. I suspect > that this was the Elizabeth Stallings who was living with the Rincks in > 1870. > > Thanks also for pointing out the burial places of these individuals. I will > look for them on my next visit to Hickory. > > Teri Tillman > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Propst [mailto:annsid@citcom.net] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:05 PM > To: 'Teri Tillman'; CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CATAWBA-WEST] RINCK, STALLINGS, LAGLE 1870 census > > Hi, Terri-- > > There was George [Lagle] Lail m. Ann Melissa Starnes on 23 Feb 1857 > Catawba Co., NC by E. Yount, J.P. I am unaware of who the parents were > for either of them. Children: George W., c. 1858, m. Ellen J. Deitz in > 1879 Catawba Co., NC; Eliza J., c. 1858; Ransom c. 1859; and Susan 18 > Feb. 1862, m. James W. Abernethy in 1879 Catawba Co., NC (both buried in > (old) Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery in Catawba Co., NC. > > There was a dau. of Ephraim, Mary E. Stallings (is this Elizabeth?) who > m. Pont C. Deal on 7 Sep 1879 Catawba Co., NC by J. C. Hartley at Mason > Stallings (both buried in Bethlehem Methodist Church Cemetery, Catawba > Co., NC > > Ann Propst, Brevard, NC > > > > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC > For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ > Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page > >

At 08:09 PM 7/15/2004, Teri Tillman wrote: >Hi Everyone, > > > >Lagle / Lail researchers are trying to learn more about the George LAGLE who >was enumerated in the household of Ephraim and Christina RINCK in Catawba >Co. in 1870. Is he related to the George LAGLE who appears in the 1860 >census of Catawba Co.? (See below). Is he perhaps the George LAYEL who >appears in Catawba Co., NC, in 1880 with a wife named Ellen? We can find no >trace of him after 1880. Going back to Solomon Deitz, Jr., he had a daughter, P(?) Christina Deitz (b. 1822). She married Ephraim Rinck. George Lagle/Lail/Layel was the son of George and Anna Melissa (Starnes) [Lagle] Lail. George married Ellen J. Deitz, neice of Christina (Deitz) Rinck. Where did they go? I haven't a clue. >Does anyone know who the Elizabeth STALLINGS living with the Ephraim RINCK >family in 1870 is? A RINCK daughter, Ann Emeline, married a Levi STALLINGS >on 25 August 1870 in Caldwell Co., NC. He appears in his parents household >(Nelson STALLINGS, Catawba Co.) in 1870, one week before his marriage, but >there is no sign of Ann RINCK in this particular census. Elizabeth STALLINGS >is about the age that Ann Rinck STALLINGS would have been, but the name is >not even close to Ann Emeline. Anna Emeline Rinck was the dau. of Ephraim Rinck (b. 1845). She married Levi Walter Stallings, 1870. Levi was the son of Nelson and Matilda Stallings. >We have wondered if the Ann married to George LAGLE in 1860 could have been >Ann Rinck, but she was only 15 at the time and was enumerated in her >parents' household in 1860. A 13 year age discrepancy would seem unlikely. >Even if Ann M. LAGLE were Ann E. RINCK, she was too young to have been the >mother to Eliza and Ransom. There are no records for Eliza or Ransom after >1860. I have entertained the possibility that Ransom LAGLE may have been >named George Ransom LAGLE, but I have no data to support such a theory. Ransom C. Lail was the son of George Lagle and Ann Melissa Starnes. He married May Sue Miller. This seems to fit what ytou have. I just don't know who Harriett Wilson was. --Derick > > >Any ideas are welcome. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Teri Tillman > > > >1860 U.S. census > >George LAGLE > >[No twp.], Hickory Tavern P.O., Catawba Co., North Carolina > >National Archives micropublication M653, roll 891, page 449, (page 108 >handwritten in upper right-hand corner), dwelling 789, family 770 > >Date of enumeration: 31 August 1870 > > > >Name Age Gender Occupation >Value of real estate Value of personal estate Birthplace > >George LAGLE 27 M Chair maker ___ >40 N. >Carolina > >Ann M. LAGLE 28 F >N. Carolina > >Eliza I. LAGLE 2 F >N. Carolina > >Ransom LAGLE 1 M >N. Carolina > > > >1870 U.S. census > >Elizabeth STALLINGS > >Lenoir Twp., Lenoir P.O., Caldwell Co., North Carolina > >National Archives micropublication M593, roll 1127, page 45B, (page 50 >handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 326, family 374 > >Date of enumeration: 02 September 1870 > > > >Dwelling Family Name Age Gender Race >Occupation Birthplace > >326 373 Ephraim RINCK 50 M W >Farmer & Gun Smith North Carolina > > Christina RINCK 45 F W >Keeping House North Carolina > > Mary C. RINCK 26 F W >Domestic laborer North Carolina > > George LAGLE 10 M W >At home North Carolina > > Harriet WILSON 10 F W >At home North Carolina > >326 374 Elizabeth STALLINGS 23 F W >Domestic laborer North Carolina > > > >1880 U.S. census > >George W. LAYEL > >Hickory, Catawba, North Carolina > >National Archives micropublication T9, roll 957, ED 41, SD 3, page 384D, >(page 40 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 389, family 412 > >Date of enumeration: 19 June 1880 > > > >Name Race Gender Age Rel. Marital >status Occupation Birthplace Father's >birthplace Mother's birthplace > >George W. LAYEL W M 20 M >Farming NC NC >NC > >Ellen J. (?) LAYEL W F 21 Wife M >Keeping house NC NC >NC > > > > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== >Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC >For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ >Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page

Hi, Terri-- There was George [Lagle] Lail m. Ann Melissa Starnes on 23 Feb 1857 Catawba Co., NC by E. Yount, J.P. I am unaware of who the parents were for either of them. Children: George W., c. 1858, m. Ellen J. Deitz in 1879 Catawba Co., NC; Eliza J., c. 1858; Ransom c. 1859; and Susan 18 Feb. 1862, m. James W. Abernethy in 1879 Catawba Co., NC (both buried in (old) Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery in Catawba Co., NC. There was a dau. of Ephraim, Mary E. Stallings (is this Elizabeth?) who m. Pont C. Deal on 7 Sep 1879 Catawba Co., NC by J. C. Hartley at Mason Stallings (both buried in Bethlehem Methodist Church Cemetery, Catawba Co., NC Ann Propst, Brevard, NC -----Original Message----- From: Teri Tillman [mailto:natzrose@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:10 PM To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] RINCK, STALLINGS, LAGLE 1870 census Hi Everyone, Lagle / Lail researchers are trying to learn more about the George LAGLE who was enumerated in the household of Ephraim and Christina RINCK in Catawba Co. in 1870. Is he related to the George LAGLE who appears in the 1860 census of Catawba Co.? (See below). Is he perhaps the George LAYEL who appears in Catawba Co., NC, in 1880 with a wife named Ellen? We can find no trace of him after 1880. Does anyone know who the Elizabeth STALLINGS living with the Ephraim RINCK family in 1870 is? A RINCK daughter, Ann Emeline, married a Levi STALLINGS on 25 August 1870 in Caldwell Co., NC. He appears in his parents household (Nelson STALLINGS, Catawba Co.) in 1870, one week before his marriage, but there is no sign of Ann RINCK in this particular census. Elizabeth STALLINGS is about the age that Ann Rinck STALLINGS would have been, but the name is not even close to Ann Emeline. We have wondered if the Ann married to George LAGLE in 1860 could have been Ann Rinck, but she was only 15 at the time and was enumerated in her parents' household in 1860. A 13 year age discrepancy would seem unlikely. Even if Ann M. LAGLE were Ann E. RINCK, she was too young to have been the mother to Eliza and Ransom. There are no records for Eliza or Ransom after 1860. I have entertained the possibility that Ransom LAGLE may have been named George Ransom LAGLE, but I have no data to support such a theory. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. Teri Tillman 1860 U.S. census George LAGLE [No twp.], Hickory Tavern P.O., Catawba Co., North Carolina National Archives micropublication M653, roll 891, page 449, (page 108 handwritten in upper right-hand corner), dwelling 789, family 770 Date of enumeration: 31 August 1870 Name Age Gender Occupation Value of real estate Value of personal estate Birthplace George LAGLE 27 M Chair maker ___ 40 N. Carolina Ann M. LAGLE 28 F N. Carolina Eliza I. LAGLE 2 F N. Carolina Ransom LAGLE 1 M N. Carolina 1870 U.S. census Elizabeth STALLINGS Lenoir Twp., Lenoir P.O., Caldwell Co., North Carolina National Archives micropublication M593, roll 1127, page 45B, (page 50 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 326, family 374 Date of enumeration: 02 September 1870 Dwelling Family Name Age Gender Race Occupation Birthplace 326 373 Ephraim RINCK 50 M W Farmer & Gun Smith North Carolina Christina RINCK 45 F W Keeping House North Carolina Mary C. RINCK 26 F W Domestic laborer North Carolina George LAGLE 10 M W At home North Carolina Harriet WILSON 10 F W At home North Carolina 326 374 Elizabeth STALLINGS 23 F W Domestic laborer North Carolina 1880 U.S. census George W. LAYEL Hickory, Catawba, North Carolina National Archives micropublication T9, roll 957, ED 41, SD 3, page 384D, (page 40 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 389, family 412 Date of enumeration: 19 June 1880 Name Race Gender Age Rel. Marital status Occupation Birthplace Father's birthplace Mother's birthplace George W. LAYEL W M 20 M Farming NC NC NC Ellen J. (?) LAYEL W F 21 Wife M Keeping house NC NC NC

Hi Everyone, Lagle / Lail researchers are trying to learn more about the George LAGLE who was enumerated in the household of Ephraim and Christina RINCK in Catawba Co. in 1870. Is he related to the George LAGLE who appears in the 1860 census of Catawba Co.? (See below). Is he perhaps the George LAYEL who appears in Catawba Co., NC, in 1880 with a wife named Ellen? We can find no trace of him after 1880. Does anyone know who the Elizabeth STALLINGS living with the Ephraim RINCK family in 1870 is? A RINCK daughter, Ann Emeline, married a Levi STALLINGS on 25 August 1870 in Caldwell Co., NC. He appears in his parents household (Nelson STALLINGS, Catawba Co.) in 1870, one week before his marriage, but there is no sign of Ann RINCK in this particular census. Elizabeth STALLINGS is about the age that Ann Rinck STALLINGS would have been, but the name is not even close to Ann Emeline. We have wondered if the Ann married to George LAGLE in 1860 could have been Ann Rinck, but she was only 15 at the time and was enumerated in her parents' household in 1860. A 13 year age discrepancy would seem unlikely. Even if Ann M. LAGLE were Ann E. RINCK, she was too young to have been the mother to Eliza and Ransom. There are no records for Eliza or Ransom after 1860. I have entertained the possibility that Ransom LAGLE may have been named George Ransom LAGLE, but I have no data to support such a theory. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. Teri Tillman 1860 U.S. census George LAGLE [No twp.], Hickory Tavern P.O., Catawba Co., North Carolina National Archives micropublication M653, roll 891, page 449, (page 108 handwritten in upper right-hand corner), dwelling 789, family 770 Date of enumeration: 31 August 1870 Name Age Gender Occupation Value of real estate Value of personal estate Birthplace George LAGLE 27 M Chair maker ___ 40 N. Carolina Ann M. LAGLE 28 F N. Carolina Eliza I. LAGLE 2 F N. Carolina Ransom LAGLE 1 M N. Carolina 1870 U.S. census Elizabeth STALLINGS Lenoir Twp., Lenoir P.O., Caldwell Co., North Carolina National Archives micropublication M593, roll 1127, page 45B, (page 50 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 326, family 374 Date of enumeration: 02 September 1870 Dwelling Family Name Age Gender Race Occupation Birthplace 326 373 Ephraim RINCK 50 M W Farmer & Gun Smith North Carolina Christina RINCK 45 F W Keeping House North Carolina Mary C. RINCK 26 F W Domestic laborer North Carolina George LAGLE 10 M W At home North Carolina Harriet WILSON 10 F W At home North Carolina 326 374 Elizabeth STALLINGS 23 F W Domestic laborer North Carolina 1880 U.S. census George W. LAYEL Hickory, Catawba, North Carolina National Archives micropublication T9, roll 957, ED 41, SD 3, page 384D, (page 40 handwritten in upper left-hand corner), dwelling 389, family 412 Date of enumeration: 19 June 1880 Name Race Gender Age Rel. Marital status Occupation Birthplace Father's birthplace Mother's birthplace George W. LAYEL W M 20 M Farming NC NC NC Ellen J. (?) LAYEL W F 21 Wife M Keeping house NC NC NC

In 1840 James Epps with wife and children were living in the part of Lincoln County that is now Catawba Co., His son John Later married Ellen Deal daughter of David Franklin Deal and Delilah Longcryer. The wife of James Epps has been shown as Polly, or Mary, or Dollie Deal, no parents know for either. Does anyone on this forum know these people, who their children were and if any of them have descendants now living. John Epps moved to Lincolnton after all his children were born and died there Jan 1916, his wife Ellen Pernina Deal died Nov 1934 also in Lincolnton. In 1880 in Catawba county the family have in the household an older woman named Mary Setzer - identity unknown. Does anyone know whom she might be? I am researching this family along with two other Epps descendants and we find James Epps to be rather elusive. Even the smallest of clues will be welcome. Agnes Cloninger

I seems to be my day to ask for more information. First as near as I can tell that church has burned at least three times, once very recently. Second, what is it you are trying to find out about Sebastian Bolch and his wife. Sabastian was supposedly deceased by Feb 1815 when his will was proved so his stone if any existed, would have been there that long. Are you sure that is where he was buried? Maria Margaret Heffner was listed in South Fork Church as a first time communicate August 1776 along with what I presume were her daughters, Elizabetha Bolicken and Christina Bolicken.. I don't know the exact location of this Church but someone on this list will. Third, folks have been searching those St. Paul Records for years and barring a miracle the extant ones have been located, copied and recorded. See the Book Lifting High the Cross for 200 Years, St. John's Lutheran Church. And Lastly, the business about tombstones is most likely an old wives tale. Those gravestones have been there for a very long time, they were made of stone that deteriorated, they were carted off by miscreants, and sometimes there was none because the family could not afford one, or as you suggest they were buried on their own land. Agnes Cloninger On 7/6/04 2:00 PM, "CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com" <CATAWBA-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From: "Ray H. Smith" <rsmith2092@carolina.rr.com> > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:03:50 -0500 > To: CATAWBA-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: St. John's Lutheran Church Pastorial Diary/Records? > > Did any of the pastors that followed Rev. J. G. Arndt keep as elaborate > records as he did when he was the pastor at St. John's? > > My wife has a Revolutionary War patriot Sebastain BOLCH who was a member at > St. John's. He resided on Lyle Creek nearby. He died in 1822 which was after > Rev. Arndt's death. > Sebastain's wife Maria Margaret Hanna HEFFNER dies in 1830. During this time > period people did not want headstones with their names on them to prevent the > devil from finding them prior to resurrection morning. This couple could > possibly be buried on their plantation,but no one knows. > > Hence my on the surface dumb question. I realize there have been several > fires at this church over time; maybe a record of what I am seeking could have > been destroyed as result. Could the NC Lutheran Synod Archives in Salisbury > have such diaries-records. Then too it is my understanding that the senior > volunteer researcher there passed away recently. > > Anyone out there willing to comment or am I barking up an impossible tree?

The announcement of the upcoming Yoder Family Reunion has been posted at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/catwest.htm#announce It points to the details page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/YoderLetter-2004.htm -Derick

Does anyone on this list know who this Elizabeth Smith is? This is from the Lincoln Co. Court Minutes Pg 53: July 1810 -- Ordered that Elizabeth Smith about four years & six months old be bound unto Jacob Starr who is to give her one year schooling & $20.00 worth of suitable property when of age. Thanks! Anita