I haven't worked in the historical records of the Presbyterian Church but here's some addresses: The Department of History and Records Management Services, Presbyterian church (U.S.A.) and The Presbyterian Historical Society 425 Lombard St. Philadelphia, PA 19147-1516 Telephone (215) 627-1852 FAX (215) 627-0509 [email protected] OR PO Box 849 Montreat, NC 28757 Telephone (828)669-7061 FAX (828) 669-5369 [email protected] The Web Page is not very informative; has the above information http://www.libertynet.org/pacscl/phs/ Hope this helps. Virginia Green [email protected] Tampa, FL

I enjoyed the two Hamilton letters sent by mailto:[email protected] This Hamilton Line is a direct line for me. I wonder if I missed others of the Hamilton Letters before I woke up to what they were. Where is the archieves for Catawba list? Who has this Hamilton letter collection? I tried e mailing [email protected] direct but did not get a reply. I would really appreciate the answers to these questions. I have a copy of "Three Hamiltons" by Delores and Gordon Miltenberger. Thanks a peck. Mary L. Stiny, Denver, CO

Sorry about the non Genie posting--it was in error Bob

I Have Learned >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that the best classroom in the world >> > > > is at the feet of an elderly person >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that when you're in love, it shows. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that just one person saying to me, >> > > > "You've made my day!" makes my day. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that I feel better about myself when >> > > > I make others feel better about themselves >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that what we have done for ourselves >> > > > alone dies with us. What we have done >> > > > for others and the world, remains and >> > > > is immortal. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that one sincere apology is worth more >> > > > than all the roses money can buy. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that words harshly spoken are as difficult >> > > > to retrieve as feathers in a gale. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that being kind is more important than >> > > > being right. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that no matter how serious your life >> > > > requires you to be, everyone needs a >> > > > friend to act goofy with. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that sometimes all a person needs is a >> > > > hand to hold and a heart to understand. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that life is like a roll of toilet paper. >> > > > The closer it gets to the end, the >> > > > faster it goes. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that once a relationship is over, >> > > > if you experienced more smiles than >> > > > tears, then it wasn't a waste of time. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > never to humiliate another person. >> > > > Always give him an honorable way to >> > > > back down or out of something and >> > > > still save face. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that the Lord didn't do it all in one >> > > > day. What makes me think I can? >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that if you are still talking about >> > > > what you did yesterday, you haven't >> > > > done much today. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that when you plan to get even with >> > > > someone, you are only letting that >> > > > person continue to hurt you. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that love, not time, heals all wounds. >> > > > >> > > >I've learned.... >> > > > that I always think of the right thing >> > > > to say when it's too late. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that even at the age of forty-six, >> > > > you can still feel like a twelve >> > > > year old child when your mother is >> > > > talking to you. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that everyone you meet deserves to >> > > > be greeted with a smile. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that no one is perfect until you fall >> > > > in love with them. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that life is tough, but I'm tougher. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that opportunities are never lost; >> > > > someone will take the ones you miss. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that there is nothing better than my >> > > > dog waiting for me on the front porch, >> > > > wagging his tail when I get home. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned... >> > > > that when you harbor bitterness, >> > > > happiness will dock elsewhere. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that one should keep his words both >> > > > soft and tender, because tomorrow >> > > > he may have to eat them. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that a smile is an inexpensive way to >> > > > improve your looks. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that I can't choose how I feel, but I >> > > > can choose what I do about it. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that nobody wants to know what you're >> > > > doing until you're doing something that >> > > > you don't want anyone to know. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that those who reach their goals too >> > > > easily have aimed too low. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that everyone wants to live on top of >> > > > the mountain, but all the happiness >> > > > and growth occurs while you're climbing it. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that it is best to give advice in only >> > > > two circumstances; when it is requested >> > > > and when it is a life-threatening >> > > > situation. >> > > > >> > > > I've learned.... >> > > > that the less time I have to work with, >> > > > the more things I get done. >>

Hi List, I've been asked to explain why I was looking for these people. I just got this info. from my sister. Back in 1962 when her first daughter was born and before our grandmother Lockie Lee YOUNT-BROWN b. 1884, died in Aug. 1962. She talked to Grandma and asked her about her parents so she could write it in her new daughters baby book. She forgot all about it till she was cleaning out her closet and found the baby book. She said that my Grandfather had a brother named Cube BROWN and his wife was Susan BROWN. My Grandfather was born abt 1879/80 in what we think was Alexander Co. NC. And Grandma told her that she was half raised and lived with till she got married with a John BRINKLEY and wife Laura HARRIS-BRINKLEY. She got married sometime between 1900 and 1906 in Catawba Co. or Lincoln Co.NC I live in Northern Minnesota and can't go and do the lookups so I was hoping someone may have these people in their lines or files. Thank You, Jean Jondreau

Hi List, Sorry if you get this more then once. I would like to hear from anyone who has a CUBE BROWN m. SUSAN BROWN and a JOHN BRINKLEY m. LAURA HARRIS BRINKLEY in their family lines. They may have family in the Gaston, Lincoln, Catawba County areas. Thanks, Jean Jondreau

Does anyone have any stories on the surname Yuntz or Yount and how they came to be in that part of the country? Thank you

Looking for information on surname Manes,first record on family is Samuel P. Manes and Joseph Manes abt.1782 in Montgomery Co.Unless they were dropped by a ufo they had to be somewhere before that.Any help or lead would be greatly appericated.Thanks in Advance. E.Hollifield

In a message dated 02/05/2000 8:44:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Could someone give me the URL for the site that will post German family > reunions. Thank you. Linda We do! Just send it along and we will post it at: http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ Thanks! Don & Jeanine

Could someone give me the URL for the site that will post German family reunions. Thank you. Linda

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At 06:39 PM 02/04/2000 -0600, [email protected] wrote: >Does anyone know where the Flat Rock Baptist Church is ? I understand >that it still exists. Any information would be appreciated. Malinda, I found the church on the USGS Geographic Names Information Server at http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html If you type in the search boxes from that page: Feature Name: Flat Rock State: North Carolina Feature Type: church you will get a list of 8 "Flat Rock Church"es, one of which is Flat Rock Baptist Church in Surry Co. If you click on its link, you will be supplied with an information summary and.....here's the good part....links to online maps which will, with a little work, show you the exact location in Surry Co. of the church. You can get an interactive aerial view of the location from the Microsoft TerraServer, or you can get USGS maps of the area which, if you zoom in to the 4m scale (click on the plus sign, let it come in, and click on it again), whill show you the location and the surrounding terrain on a topographic map. There are also maps from the census bureau which will show you the location. Can you tell that I've been playing today? <grin> Have fun! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Hello... The message below was sent to me by a cousin from the Wright=Martain line of Surry Co NC. All the members listed below in addition to Capt John Wright III and his wife Ann Williams are their children and their spouses. Does anyone know where the Flat Rock Baptist Church is ? I understand that it still exists. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks....Malinda Jones >>> It's the Flat Rock Baptist Church in Surry County and it is still there however they will not answer mail as I have tried several times. Members were John Wright the third and wife, Elizabeth and Samuel Arnold, Nancy and Lewis Elliott, Agatha and Issac Elsbury, Amelia and Dr. Robert Martin, Lucretia and William Petty, Frances and Gerrard Riley, Thomas and Mary Clanton, Daniel and Nancy Young, John Wright, Sally and Ninian Riley, William Wright. James Wright,Williams Wright and Sally Mitchell, Rosey and William Brttain, Peggy and Samuel Marsh , Sulkey., Patssy aaand Polly Wright. Records of 1789,1792,1796,1803, 1812 and 1820. >>>>

David A. Kennedy, b1865 Cleveland Co.; d20 Apr 1943 Catawba Co, NC. Charles M(?). Kennedy b20 May 1877 Cleveland Co. NC; d 11 Oct 1944 Catawba Co. NC. These two were brothers, One of them had a son Herman C. Kennedy. Which one was it? I have each as having a son by that name!!!! [email protected]

Hi, Catawba, Killian and Snyder "Cousins"-- Just passing this post on. Indiana was my mother's birthplace in 1905. This action will just about shut me down researching anything on her family of Hallecks, Palmers, Snyders, Alvises. Ann At 07:13 AM 2/3/2000 -0500, Tamara and Allen Wilkerson wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carleene Hubbard <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:19 AM >Subject: [INRUSH] > > >> >> ***** URGENT ***** ***** URGENT ***** ***** URGENT ***** >> >> Are Iowa Birth Records Closing????? >> >> Are you aware the State of Iowa's Legislature is considering a bill RIGHT >> NOW to close Iowa birth records to public viewing in Iowa county >> courthouses? Laws like this have already been enacted in other states. >> If this bill passes the only way to obtain a birth record for anyone born >> after 1905 will be to write to the IA State Dept of Health. You will >> have to pay a (probably) non-refundable fee for EACH record search you >> want performed. When just starting your research, how will you even know >> which records to ask for? Aren't you are searching the records for that >> very information?? >> >> The following is from Richard Harrison, the IAGenWeb State Coordinator.: >> >> The Closing of Iowa Birth Records???? >> >> The Iowa State Department of Health, Vital Records Division, would like >> to see all birth records less than 95 years old closed to the public at >> the county level and have drafted a bill to this effect to be taken up by >> the legislature. According to Larry Coghlan of the Vital Records Dept., >> "The proposal is to make birth certificates 95 years old and >> older available for inspection and copying at the county level. The rest >> of the birth certificates would require a direct and tangible interest to >> obtain a copy. It is being proposed because of the identity theft (fraud) >> that has been taking place throughout the United States." >> >> This proposal raises a number of questions: Is it really necessary to >> close 95 years of records to address this problem? How will moving the >> records from the county level to the state level make it any more (or >> less) difficult for people interested in committing fraud? How will they >> define "direct and tangible interest"? Will state employees have >> the time and inclination to REALLY search the records for your ancestor, >> or will they keep the money and say "Not Found!" when the record is not >> exactly where it should be but just a few lines or pages away? Can they >> take the time to search for possible misspellings or decipher illegible >> handwriting? If ISDH gets this passed for birth records will all the >> other records follow suit? Is this an ill-conceived plan to punish the >> innocent (genealogists and others who need access to these records) >> instead of the guilty (those who commit fraud)? >> >> We need to ask questions, now. If you cherish your right to have all your >> county records available at your county courthouse, now is the time to >> speak up. WRITE. CALL. EMAIL. your county officials, state >> representative, and yes, even Governor Vilsack. If you don't speak up >> now, it might be too late. >> >> -- >> Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California >> IAGenWeb State Coord.: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~iagenweb/index.htm >> IAGEN-L List Owner: [email protected] >> >> ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** >> >> If you are NOT an Iowa resident it is just as important, if not more so, >> that you also be heard. Remind the legislators of the money you spend >> when you are in your county of interest to do research. Not only are you >> providing revenue to the county for copy fees, etc. You are also >> spending money in their motels, eating establishments, shops, and other >> area tourist attractions. >> >> PLEASE contact one of these legislators and express the importance of >> having the birth records remain open. Send an email to: >> >> [email protected] >> and >> [email protected] >> >> ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** >> >> CONTACT INFORMATION >> >> The Honorable Governor Vilsack >> Mailing Address: >> Office of the Governor >> State Capitol >> Des Moines, IA 50319 >> Phone or Fax: >> (515) 281-5211 phone (515) 281-6611 fax >> Email the Governor >> >> http://www.state.ia.us/governor/comments/index.html >> >> The web page below has links to District Maps and to the >> emails >> of all the Iowa Senators and Representatives. Send an email >> to >> the ones representing your county of interest: >> >> http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Members/78GA-members.html. >> >> We will post the bill number and the names of committee >> members as soon as that information is available. >> >> Please forward this message to: >> >> 1) as many people you know who reside in Iowa >> 2) as many genealogists you know who have Iowa research >> 3) as many genealogical societies as you know >> 4) as many other organizations whose voices might make a difference >> 5) everyone you know who is involved in genealogy and history research >> >> >> ==== INFRANKLI Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to stop by the Franklin County Genealogy Website at >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6863 >> >> >> > > Ann Propst 236 Connestee Trail Brevard, NC 28712-9009

Hi Lynn, These are current maps. I asked them if the published date was available, haven't heard back yet. I noticed from one map area that included my g-g grandfather Alexander Moore's property in Cat Co. ( now owned by my brother, and on the national historic register), that it included the old road (plowed under) not used since 1960, to the improvements ( a newer building) constructed in the1980's, to new roads used presently. It did not include the family cemetery though, (but does those cemeteries attached to churches). So in some cases it covers a span of time. The thing that is good about these maps is you can search by a place name or item name such as Little Mountain, or Terrapin Creek, or even church name, then you can zero in on the exact location by state, etc,. I queried Olivet Church and it listed many churches all over the U.S., I chose Cat Co.NC. & was taken to the location of the church & cemetery where most of my Saunders ancestors are buried, it gave me a sense of the surrounding areas and neighborhood, (things I am already familiar with) it is a good secondary source to lead to those elusive primary sources we are always searching for. And the fact that they are topographical is helpful. They can be downloaded, maybe into Paint or Works, where you can locate and mark other places, lines & boundaries not noted on the map, so eventually you can compile a complete picture of a property. It's so much easier than waiting for a map ordered from a location some distance away. You have the option of ordering maps from there also. R Moore --Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Catawba-West] Re: Great Site >Are these current maps or historical maps with old boundaries?? >Lynn Wesson >Raleigh, NC > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== >781,000+ surnames =|= Archives =|= 16,100 discussion listss >Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible. >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > >

I could not believe the speed they responded to my query. I'll pass along to you. R Moore Rosemary - We're working on getting a key to all those map symbols up on our Web site. In the meantime, the USGS has one on their mapping site - you can find by starting at http://mapping.usgs.gov and looking around. Purple areas are "disturbed" areas that have been modified in some way since the map was printed - but the map hasn't been updated to reflect those changes in detail. - Ed Ed McNierney [email protected] http://www.topozone.com

Have you guys checked out this map site? I don't know how long it has been online, but I just found it through Rootsweb. http://www.topozone.com/ its great! If you can't travel, it's the next best thing. I couldn't find the schedule to interpret certain items and have asked them, if anyone visiting this site can find the schedule let me know where. And I would like to know when the maps were published. Rosemary

Are these current maps or historical maps with old boundaries?? Lynn Wesson Raleigh, NC