I am looking for help on the ancestors of Susan Washington Graham Clark. I will list what I have ...please correct anything that is wrong. Susan Washington Graham Clark was born on June 18, 1875 and was married to Joseph Ernest Erwin on June 30, 1908. They are both buried in the Forest Hills Cemetery in Morganton. Susan W.G. Clark was the daughter of Hon. Walter Clark and Susan Washington Graham. Susan Washington Graham was born March 9, 1851. And died Dec 10, 1909. She married Walter Clark on Jan 28, 1874. She was the daughter of William Alexander Graham and Susannah Sarah Washington. Susannah Sarah Washington was born in 1816 and died in 1890. She was the daughter of John Washington(b. 1768) and Elizabeth Heritage Cobb(b. 1780). Thanks!

I would be interested in Pinkney too. My great grandfather James Bradford Keever had both a brother and an uncle named George Pinkney Keever. Thanks ....malinda jones Karen Frye wrote: > I would be very interested in the article about the name Pinkney, as my > g-gfather was one and I always wondered where it came from. Could you > give me a reference to it, Derick? Thanks, Karen > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Has anyone had any success in locating the material? It sounds as if it is an article from a periodical. I've researched Lincoln Co. for many years, and it does not ring a bell with me. If anyone is able to find the publication, please let the rest of us know. I checked Library of Congress and a few other online sources without success. Couldn't access PERSI this morning but will try again later. ============= Fri, 14 Jul 2000, "James E. (Jim) Campbell" <[email protected]> > It is my understanding that almost every book or periodical published > by a North Carolina author or about North Carolina is kept at the > Carolina Room at the library at UNC Chapel Hill. You might try > dropping the librarian a line and ask if they have it. If so, your > best bet is to go there to see it, since I doubt if they participate in > the interlibrary loan program with the rare books they have. The URL > for the UNC Library is http://www.lib.unc.edu I don't know if their > catalog is online. > > The other possibility is the State Library in Raleigh. I believe that > they do participate in the interlibrary loan program. The URL for the > State Library is http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us Their catalog is > online. > > Jim Campbell

I agree with your learned counsel Derick....however, having said that....I would also like to caution that some of those George W's were actually Washington family descendants. Capt John Wright III was the 2nd great grandson of Col John Washington (great grandfather of George Washington)....making him a 2nd cousin several times removed of President George Washington. He moved to Surry Co NC with both his nuclear family (he and Ann Williams had 18 children) and his extended family....don't know who and/or how many. So Washington descendants were "thick on the ground" in this part of NC. I only know about some of the lines they married into : Wright > Martin > Smith > Douthit > Keever Wright > Arnold These were lines of only 2 of the 18 children of Capt John Wright III. Just a thought, Malinda Jones "Derick S. Hartshorn" wrote: > At 02:07 AM 7/15/2000 , you wrote: > > Perhaps I should have explained the naming convention in more detail. The > list I shared applies more to the colonial families with English roots and > most often applied between the 1500s and roughly before the Revolution. The > German and other European families used a similar scheme but not always did > they follow the same pattern. Both, however "recycled" parent's, aunt's and > uncle's names. > > What you say about naming children after famous personalities was true, > usually after the Revolutionary War. You can generally guess what the "W." > stood for with sons named "George." or the "M." with sons names "James." > That is also the case for many Southern families that named their sons > "Pinkney" (which I have an article about). > > Today, folks have seemingly broken from any tradition whatsoever using > pretty-sounding names thus confounding future genealogists. > > --Derick > > >I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is > >that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given > >away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. > >war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion > >Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who > >always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a > >daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. > > > >Nancy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children > > > >At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: > > >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the > >1800s? > > >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. > >etc. > > > > > >Thanks. > > >Pat > > > > > > >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > > > > > 1st son for father's father > > > 2nd son for mother's father > > > 3rd son for the father > > > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > > > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > > > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > > > ............etc. > > > > > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > > > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > > > 3rd daughter for the mother > > > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > > > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > > > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > > > ............etc. > > > > > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange > > >quarterly." Hope it helps. > > >* > > > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > > > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > > > [email protected] > > > >I came across this. > > > >--Derick > > > > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > >Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. > >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > 781,000+ surnames =|= Archives =|= 16,100 discussion lists > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222

I would be very interested in the article about the name Pinkney, as my g-gfather was one and I always wondered where it came from. Could you give me a reference to it, Derick? Thanks, Karen

At 02:07 AM 7/15/2000 , you wrote: Perhaps I should have explained the naming convention in more detail. The list I shared applies more to the colonial families with English roots and most often applied between the 1500s and roughly before the Revolution. The German and other European families used a similar scheme but not always did they follow the same pattern. Both, however "recycled" parent's, aunt's and uncle's names. What you say about naming children after famous personalities was true, usually after the Revolutionary War. You can generally guess what the "W." stood for with sons named "George." or the "M." with sons names "James." That is also the case for many Southern families that named their sons "Pinkney" (which I have an article about). Today, folks have seemingly broken from any tradition whatsoever using pretty-sounding names thus confounding future genealogists. --Derick >I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is >that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given >away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. >war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion >Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who >always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a >daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. > >Nancy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children > >At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: > >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the >1800s? > >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. >etc. > > > >Thanks. > >Pat > > > >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > > > 1st son for father's father > > 2nd son for mother's father > > 3rd son for the father > > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > > ............etc. > > > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > > 3rd daughter for the mother > > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > > ............etc. > > > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange > >quarterly." Hope it helps. > >* > > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > > [email protected] > >I came across this. > >--Derick > > >==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I'm not an authority so maybe I shouldn't comment but... My observation is that by the late 1800's some of the structured naming patterns had given away to using more trendy names or honoring friends or others admired e.g. war heroes and politicians:( Hence, my ggrandfather Albert Francis Marion Coleman who was born in the early 1860's and my great aunt Gussie Agnes who always promised her cutwork table clothes to anyone who would name a daughter after her-no takers even though she was much beloved. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Catawba-West] Re: naming of children At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the 1800s? >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. etc. > >Thanks. >Pat >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > 1st son for father's father > 2nd son for mother's father > 3rd son for the father > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > ............etc. > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > 3rd daughter for the mother > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > ............etc. > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange >quarterly." Hope it helps. >* > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > [email protected] I came across this. --Derick ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes CATAWBA-WEST possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I apologize for not chnging the subject line on the previous post. I am trying to make some sense of the Hewitt family (whatever spelling). Has anyone any proof of the name of the parents of Lewis L. Huitt who married Martha Elizabeth Thronburg on 13 Apr 1858. They were the parents of Banks, Mary C., Burton, Thomas Lee, Lennie, Louis, Catherine and John Henry.Some of the children were members of St. James Lutheran Church in Catawba County and it is from those church congregational records I got the names of Lewis and Martha. Would be pleased to know Martha Elizabeth's parents too. Agnes E. Cloninger

Please don't get hung up on this nameing pattern - it was popular among the Holland Dutch and the German descendants but was not among the British not many others. Some rejected it completely because it smacked too much of the home thay had left, and they wanted to start afresh. Agnes Cloninger >At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: >>Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the 1800s? >>Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. etc. >> >>Thanks. >>Pat > > >>Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: >> >> 1st son for father's father ---snip---

It is my understanding that almost every book or periodical published by a North Carolina author or about North Carolina is kept at the Carolina Room at the library at UNC Chapel Hill. You might try dropping the librarian a line and ask if they have it. If so, your best bet is to go there to see it, since I doubt if they participate in the interlibrary loan program with the rare books they have. The URL for the UNC Library is http://www.lib.unc.edu I don't know if their catalog is online. The other possibility is the State Library in Raleigh. I believe that they do participate in the interlibrary loan program. The URL for the State Library is http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us Their catalog is online. Jim Campbell

Does anyone know anything about how Winkler's Grove Baptist Church got its name? I would assume it had something to do with the Winkler family but I received no reply when I wrote to the church. If anyone had any ideas on where to look for the history of this church I would appreciate it. Thanks, Karen

Fergus Harvey Reynolds married Mary C. Grice, daughter of James and Anna Thompson Grice, in Catawba County, August 30, 1842. Fergus and Mary's children were Ann, Alexander, William, Elizabeth, John, and Martha. Fergus was a member of the 28th Cavalry from Catawba County during the Civil War, and died at liberty, Virginia, November 19, 1862. Does anyone have information on the parents of Fergus Harvey Reynolds? James K. Grise.

Seeking ANY information on the following: William LaFevers b. 1821 m. Lucinda Wiles b. 1820--lived in Cherokee County. (Who are William's parents??) Alexander LaFevers B. June 15, 1826, m. Rebecca Bradley (Cherokee County) b. June 11, 1831 (family moved to Tennessee then Arkansas) Leander LaFevers b. January 13, 1822, m. Amanda Summers (remained in Burke County) (Who are Leander's parents?) J. William Lefevers b. 1792 Spartanburg County, SC. m. Clarissa Chambers (b. Mach 29, 1793) in Burke County on April 14, 1816 (ANYTHING??? Who are their children?) Margaret LaFevers b. abt. 1797, listed as Head of Household in 1860 living with Dempsey LaFevers, age 21. Dempsey Harper LaFevers, b. October 24, 1836, m. Alva Elizabeth "Abbie" Powell (b. about 1841, daughter of Collins Powell) March 21, 1866. (Who are Dempsey's parents? Is Margaret his mother? Aunt?) ANY help...even the smallest thing...is greatly appreciated. I thought I had this group figured out but recently received conflicting info...so I'm back to square one. Thank you. Pat LaFevers Holsten Wilmington, NC

At 08:11 PM 7/13/2000 , you wrote: >Can someone please tell me the typical naming order of children in the 1800s? >Who was the first son named after? second son? first daughter? etc. etc. etc. > >Thanks. >Pat >Following is a list from Barbara Taylor on Prodigy 5/30/93: > > 1st son for father's father > 2nd son for mother's father > 3rd son for the father > 4th son for the oldest brother of the father > 5th son for the oldest brother of the mother > 6th son for the next oldest brother of the father > ............etc. > > 1st daughter for the mother's mother > 2nd daughter for the father's mother > 3rd daughter for the mother > 4th daughter for the oldest sister of the mother > 5th daughter for the oldest sister of the father > 6th daughter for the next oldest sister of the mother > ............etc. > >Per Barbara this was extracted from "a genealogical exchange >quarterly." Hope it helps. >* > = Researching Anglo-Saxon LEE & LEE-related names = > Jim Williams, 500 Elm St., Redwood City, CA 94063 (415)366-6509 > [email protected] I came across this. --Derick

Does anyone have this book,"Wardens of the Poor 1821-1868," Lincoln County, so that they could do a lookup for me? Or does anyone know where I can find or purchase this book? Looking for information on J. William (or William) LaFevers (LeFever, Lefevers or variant) I'm still seeking any knew info on the LaFever/s-LeFever/s of Lincoln, Catawba, Burke, Anson, Mecklenburg Counties. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Pat

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Pat, Thanks for the offer! My German relations from the Catawba County area are: Peiter Heyl Bostain Best Isenhour Winebarger Huet / Hewitt Kurt Matheson Greenville, SC > > > Subject: [Catawba-West] Descendants of GERMANS. > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:00:00 -0400 > From: "Pat C. Cloninger" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I have some Garlic which has been growing here since the early > settlers put the roots in the ground about 1750. Tell me which early > family German family descended from and send me an Envelope, stamped, > with your address on it and I will send you some Garlic to be planted in > your Kitchen Herb garden. Every good German needs Garlic whether to use > to season foor or ut use as medication for sickness. It has worked for > both for hundreds of years. This is free to those who tell me the name > of their early German Ancestor and where he or she lived in North > Carolina. > > You can plant the Garlic any time you get the small cloves (whether > from the top or bottom of the stalk) anytime you desire. I suggest that > you plant them very shallow since this makes it very easy to get the > garlic when you need to use some for seasoning. I only take up garlic > when I am needing it to season something that I am using immediately. > When you do this you get all the fresh juice. Garlic grows in such a > way that you can find it anytime during the year. Don't plant it near > your daffodils or you may dig up the wrong bulb. The small cloves from > the top will fall back onto the ground and your supply will be > continuously growing in number. > > Good Luck and Good Health. Garlic is very good for the heart. Use > parsley with the garlic and there is no odor on your breath. > > Send your envelope to: Pat C. Cloninger > 1729 Brentwood Drive > Newton, NC 28658-3610 > > ______________________________ >

In a message dated 7/10/00 12:13:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I have some Garlic which has been growing here since the early > settlers put the roots in the ground about 1750. Tell me which early > family German family descended from and send me an Envelope, stamped, > with your address on it and I will send you some Garlic to be planted in > your Kitchen Herb garden I'm in too....my German ancestors are numerous...Goodman/Guthmann in south Rowan County, Stiegerwaldt/Stirewalt-Cabarrus County, Roseman/Rosenmann-Rowan/Cabarrus, Schmidt-Rowan, Bernhardt/Barnhardt-Cabarrus County,Hoffmann-Davidson(?) County, Kepley-Davidson County...to name a few...... Thank you so much, Pat! Sarah Goodman

Thank you kindly !!!........I've already got my envelop addressed !! I descend from the KEEVERs.......they lived in Meckenburg Co at first and then later in Lincoln , Catawba, Wilkes and Alexander Co NC This is so special......what a kind thing you're doing , both for all of us as well as preserving these heirloom plants. Thanks again Pat.............hugs, malinda jones "Pat C. Cloninger" wrote: > I have some Garlic which has been growing here since the early > settlers put the roots in the ground about 1750. Tell me which early > family German family descended from and send me an Envelope, stamped, > with your address on it and I will send you some Garlic to be planted in > your Kitchen Herb garden. Every good German needs Garlic whether to use > to season foor or ut use as medication for sickness. It has worked for > both for hundreds of years. This is free to those who tell me the name > of their early German Ancestor and where he or she lived in North > Carolina. > > You can plant the Garlic any time you get the small cloves (whether > from the top or bottom of the stalk) anytime you desire. I suggest that > you plant them very shallow since this makes it very easy to get the > garlic when you need to use some for seasoning. I only take up garlic > when I am needing it to season something that I am using immediately. > When you do this you get all the fresh juice. Garlic grows in such a > way that you can find it anytime during the year. Don't plant it near > your daffodils or you may dig up the wrong bulb. The small cloves from > the top will fall back onto the ground and your supply will be > continuously growing in number. > > Good Luck and Good Health. Garlic is very good for the heart. Use > parsley with the garlic and there is no odor on your breath. > > Send your envelope to: Pat C. Cloninger > 1729 Brentwood Drive > Newton, NC 28658-3610 > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > 781,000+ surnames =|= Archives =|= 16,100 discussion lists > Your gracious donations to RootsWeb makes this all possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222

I have some Garlic which has been growing here since the early settlers put the roots in the ground about 1750. Tell me which early family German family descended from and send me an Envelope, stamped, with your address on it and I will send you some Garlic to be planted in your Kitchen Herb garden. Every good German needs Garlic whether to use to season foor or ut use as medication for sickness. It has worked for both for hundreds of years. This is free to those who tell me the name of their early German Ancestor and where he or she lived in North Carolina. You can plant the Garlic any time you get the small cloves (whether from the top or bottom of the stalk) anytime you desire. I suggest that you plant them very shallow since this makes it very easy to get the garlic when you need to use some for seasoning. I only take up garlic when I am needing it to season something that I am using immediately. When you do this you get all the fresh juice. Garlic grows in such a way that you can find it anytime during the year. Don't plant it near your daffodils or you may dig up the wrong bulb. The small cloves from the top will fall back onto the ground and your supply will be continuously growing in number. Good Luck and Good Health. Garlic is very good for the heart. Use parsley with the garlic and there is no odor on your breath. Send your envelope to: Pat C. Cloninger 1729 Brentwood Drive Newton, NC 28658-3610