Hi, List, Can anyone identify John H. Robinson (born about 1805) ? He married Barbara Cloninger, of the Cloninger family of the Gaston County area, in Lincoln Co., NC in 1834. He is not known to be a member of the Robinson families of southern Gaston County. John H. and Barbara appear in the 1850 Gaston Census with children Thomas (who later married Ann Roper), Sarah, and John. After Barbara's death, John H. remarried to Mary Jane (of unknown surname) and they had children: William Sidney, Elizabeth, Ann and Susan. Both John H. and Mary Jane died before 1880. Son Thomas had children: Barbara A. (mar. Samuel P. Mauney), David M. (mar. Della Stroup), Charles H. (mar. Elizabeth Lynch), and Thomas Franklin (mar. Elizabeth(Bettie) about 1895). Son William Sidney mar. Emma Reynolds and had children: Laban, Jennie, Maude, Lillie, Mamie, and Clarence. While I don't know where John H. and his wives are buried, several members of the family are buried at Christ Lutheran Church in Stanley, NC. Will appreciate any information about this family. Agnes ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Agnes, Thanks for this information. I have checked the probate records for Alexander Co. during this time, and found nothing. I am going to see what other types of records exist in Alexander Co. Does anyone know how guardianship and adoption records would have been filed (in order words, what do I ask for -- Superior Court records perhaps?) I also had the same thought as you, that perhaps the children were placed in an orphanage initially. I have talked with a woman at Barium Springs in Iredell Co., and, unfortunately, they had no records of these children. If anyone knows of other similar children's homes operating during that period, please let me know. Thanks again for the help and insight. Brenda

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Hello everyone, Does anyone have the census of Burke co. for 1900. I am looking for the following people. Peter Swink, Mary Hudson Swink, and their daughter Omey Elizabeth Swink. Omey was born July of 1882. Thanks to all Kirk Cronland Lincolnton, NC -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/

I'm not sure whether I am going to help or hurt this discussion. In any event, here goes! My g-g-grandfather was John D. Campbell of Lincoln/Catawba County. He was born 11 Aug. 1812 and died 11 Nov. 1890. He had several children, among which were daughters named Rhoda who was born in 1834, and Pluma Rosana who was born about 1839. Both of these names appear in this thread. Rhoda married a John L. Carter on 4 Mar 1869. I have no death date for her. Pluma Rosana married first Elkanah Turbyfill on 14 Jul 1853 and second Levi Jones circa 1865. I have no death date for Pluma Rosana. Also in that county at the same time was a John Campbell. Based on his naturalization application, he was born in County Tyrone Ireland in 1798. He had several children, only two of which are named in his will of 9 Oct 1865. These named sons were Wesley and Andrew. Wes/Wesley appears in the thread. The third person in this drama is James Campbell who was born circa 1814. I believe him to be the brother of John D. Campbell. Among his children is a daughter Rosanah, born circa 1837. Since this is not my direct line, I have not explored this family. I also suspect, but cannot yet prove that John D. and James Campbell were brothers and their father was Daniel Campbell and mother was Rosana Willis. Daniel and Rosana were married in Lincoln County on 9 Jun 1809. Daniel and Rosana left Lincoln County in the 1830s with another son, Wallace Alexander and moved to Hamilton County, Illinois. (One of John D.'s sons, my g-grandfather, was named Wilburn Alexander.) If this information pertains to the thread, I would encourage those interested to go to my WorldConnect info in the URL shown below. If anyone can add to my information on these families, I would welcome the help. Jim Campbell My home page (just my lines, not everyone) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jecralnc My GEDCOM (everyone, except the living, in my database) http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jecralnc&submit=Go

Dear Brenda Perhaps you need to take a look at the court records for Alexander county where Jane Marshall died. If the children were placed in homes by the county those records should be available. If they were not then I'm afraid it was done willy-nilly by the father. The possibility is also that if these folks were not related, and you have found no evidence they were, that they were all members of the same church. Most folks belonged to some religeous denomination and they were usually close to one another and shared in one another's problems, as well as celebrations. It might be difficult to find out what denomination that was unless Jane Nance Marshall is buried in a church cemetery. In my experience in the last century and well into this one, folks were buried in the cemetery that was closest to the church they attended. That cemetery was usually on the church grounds and a part of it's property. If you can determine where she is buried that might be the place to start. Sometimes the records of those churches have remained available for search. The children have been rather widely spread around - and that suggests another scenario: That is: They may have been in a childrens home somewhere and put up for adoption by that place which could account for them ending up in other counties and some distance apart. It is a sad thing and upsetting for the children as well as their father. Can anyone help determine what children's home might have been active at this time in that area? Agnes E. Cloninger ___________________ Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Re: Foster Care & Adoptions -- >From: [email protected] >The family I am researching is that of John W. Marshall found in the Gwaltney >township area of Alexander County. His wife, who died in 1895, was Sarah >Jane Nance Marshall. > >My grandmother was raised by a Warlick family in the Hildebran area of Burke >Co. Another sister was raised by a family named Burke. They are said to >have been missionaries to Mexico. I don't know if this is correct. The >youngest, a boy, was adopted by a Barringer family in Troutman, Iredell Co. >I have pretty good information on the Warlicks and the Barringers. Nothing >on the Burkes. As far as I can see, John and Sarah Marshall had no >connection to these families. So, it is not clear how the arrangements were >made. ----snip---

Agnes, You do a good job of describing the difficulties that parents faced in the last century. The family I am researching is that of John W. Marshall found in the Gwaltney township area of Alexander County. His wife, who died in 1895, was Sarah Jane Nance Marshall. My grandmother was raised by a Warlick family in the Hildebran area of Burke Co. Another sister was raised by a family named Burke. They are said to have been missionaries to Mexico. I don't know if this is correct. The youngest, a boy, was adopted by a Barringer family in Troutman, Iredell Co. I have pretty good information on the Warlicks and the Barringers. Nothing on the Burkes. As far as I can see, John and Sarah Marshall had no connection to these families. So, it is not clear how the arrangements were made. There's a lot my mother would like to know about her mother's life that seems to fall into a black hole created by the death of her mother's mother. For example, my grandmother was not really sure what her name was. She thought it was Zula, but had seen it once as Zulia. She did not know if she had a middle name. I am hoping that records related to the placement of these children might answer some questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Brenda

Brenda, We could help you more if we had some names and if possible, dates and places of birth - Some of us have extensive collections of information and records we could search if we knew the names of those you are looking for. As a general rule no man could look after a houseful of children and still attend to his business - they needed to be kept clean, their clothes and his needed to be washed, mended and food had to be prepared, canning and preserving done, ill family members had to be cared for, there was sewing, housework, milking, feeding the stock and the chickens, pigs etc. there was no way a man could do all of that and the thousands of other chores he depended upon his wife to do. It was a full time job for a woman and doubly so for a man, in those days. The corner grocery did not exist in rural Carolina (or rural anywhere else), store bought clothes were a rare thing, and if you wanted chicken for dinner you started with a live bird, feathers and all, which had to be carefully chosen from among the brood lest you eat one of your best layers. Alas, one did not yank it ready to cook, out of the freezer. And we call those the "good old days" when life was simpler and carefree!! As a consequence a man and often a woman, needed to find a better place for the children to live, usually among friends and neighbors, sometimes the courts were involved, sometimes not. Often the children were simply "taken-in" by various family members, close friends, and others who had the room and would welcome an extra pair of hands. Sometimes it turned out that they became a sort of "slave-labor". Perhaps none of this is news to you - if so I apologize for getting on my soap box......... Agnes E. Cloninger >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Foster Children and Adoptions >I need help figuring out where to look for some records on my grandmother's >family. This area of my research has been frustrating me recently. > >Here's the situation. My grandmother's mother died in 1895 in Alexander Co. >NC, leaving a husband and 7 children. For whatever reason, the husband was >not able to continue to care for the children. The older ones were placed on >farms as workers. Three of the younger ones were placed in families as >"foster" children. And one was formally adopted. -----SNIP----

I need help figuring out where to look for some records on my grandmother's family. This area of my research has been frustrating me recently. Here's the situation. My grandmother's mother died in 1895 in Alexander Co. NC, leaving a husband and 7 children. For whatever reason, the husband was not able to continue to care for the children. The older ones were placed on farms as workers. Three of the younger ones were placed in families as "foster" children. And one was formally adopted. My grandmother lived with a "foster" family in Burke Co. (she is shown in the 1900 census as a "boarder," which sounds less like a care-giving arrangement but she always considered these people to be her second family). I just don't know what formal arrangement may have been made for her by her father. Her younger brother was officially adopted by a family in Troutman (Iredell Co.) and his last name was changed to that of the adopting family. So, here are my questions: 1. Where would adoption records on her brother be found -- Alexander Co. where the father lived or Iredell Co. where the adopting family lived? 2. Is it likely that any kind of record exists related to the children who were placed in foster families? Was this type of placement generally governed by a guardianship agreement that would be issued by a court? And again, which county would have these records -- Alexander Co. or, in my grandmother's case, Burke Co.? 3. Complicating this further is that evidence appears to indicate that the father left Alexander Co. after the children were placed and moved to Hickory (Catawba Co.) If he had ongoing financial obligations established by the courts, would there be any reason to search Catawba Co. records? Thanks so much for any help you can give me on this. I am hoping to spend some time in NC later this year and want to be able to target the right county records. Brenda Pflaum Hudson, OH

Greeting from another "newbie" to the group, and of course I'm looking for some help. I have encountered a wall while researching a James McGinnis. This is what I know and what is documented. There is a marriage bond between James McGinnis and Lucinda Padgett in the Cleveland Co. records registered in April 1855 and the family shows up in the 1860 Cleveland Co. census, at that point with two children. They are not in the 1870 Cleveland Co. census, but I have found the family with Lucinda as the head of household in neighboring Rutherford Co. in 1870 Census. No James, but there are other children, including my g-grandfather William Andrew McGinnis, and also another William J. McGinnis listed as a 1 year old child. With this I would hope that James was still around to father William J. sometime in 1868, but I don't know what happened to him and can't seem to find out. I've got a couple theories that I would like to throw out and see if anyone can supply confirmation or evidence to the contrary. There is a Larkin McGinnis in the 1850 Cleveland Co. census who shows a son James that matches the age of my James (born about 1832), but other genealogies that I have seen from allied researchers show this James to have married a Mary Feagan in 1868. Now one theory would be that they are the same James. Him marrying Lucinda in 1855 and then divorcing, abandoning, (?), her in 1868 to marry Mary. OR I have found some other internet genealogies that show a James McGinnis son of Obediah McGinnis moved from TN. to Rutherford Co., NC and this James married a Mary (?) in 1868. I'm sure I've got everyone confused by now, but you can hopefully see my dilemma. I'm looking for some documentation that would put me on the right track. I'm posting this to several listserv groups, so please accept my apologies if you receive duplications. -Tony McGinnis, Raleigh, NC

Maybe the husband was the one born out of wedlock as he has a different surname form the father on the marriage record.

According to the 1900 extracts of the Catawba Co. Census created by Jan Richardson: Rhoda V. Poovy wife of John W. was born May 1868 the following notation appears: John W. Poovy age 24 is the son of David Setzer and Polly Poovy and he married 8 June 1890 Rhoda Campbell age 22 daughter of Wesley and Rosannah. Living in the household of John W and Rhoda V. Poovy in this 1900 census is Rosaner Campbell who was born in Dec of 1837 and who is a widow aged 62 and also living there is one of her sons Vance Campbell who was born June 1880 and is 19. In the 1880 census of Catawba County there are: Web (or Wes) Campbell age 55 with wife Rosanna age 50 and the following children: Enos age 24, James age 22, Polly age 20, Daniel age 15, Rody (Rhoda) age 11, Robert age 8 and Isabella age 6. Either this is a different family or sombody made a royal mess of what they told about it. If Rhoda was taken in by Manuel Cline it would have been after Web Campbell died which was after Rhoda was 11 years old. It would appear by the census that she was not born out of wedlock since she appears as #5 in a family of 7. The cemetery record for Rhoda's father should be available. I will be happy to provide the rest of the info about them from the records I have, should you want that. Contact me at my own email address. Agnes EC From: "Sally & Carroll" <> >Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Surname POOVEY, CAMEL and PATE >Hello List > >I have been ask to find information on a RHODA CAMEL who was born out of >wedlock about 1870 in Catawba County. She was taken in by Manuel Cline and >raised in his family. Her father was a Dr. her mother worked for. She >might have been Indian. She married John William Poovey and had a son >Perry David Poovey in 1900. > >Sally > > >--------------------------------

Still searching for any information on Sally Shook could have been Sarah Shook who had a child out of wedlock in Nov. of 1801. Please if you have any information on her or her family please help.

At 10:09 PM 9/13/00, Sally & Carroll wrote: >Hello List > >I have been ask to find information on a RHODA CAMEL who was born out of >wedlock about 1870 in Catawba County. She was taken in by Manuel Cline and >raised in his family. Her father was a Dr. her mother worked for. She >might have been Indian. She married John William Poovey and had a son >Perry David Poovey in 1900. > >Sally Sally, I hope this helps: 1900 Catawba Co. Census, Caldwell Twp. Poovy, John W. Sep 1864 (35) NC farm m11 head 59 Rhoda V. May 1868 (32) 7 ch 7 wife Alice A. Aug 1889 (10) school dau Charlie Jul 1891 (8) son Anna M. Dec 1892 (7) dau Robert H. Aug 1893 (6) son William M. Sep 1895 (4) " Floyd May 1898 (2) " Perry May 1900 (0/12) " Campbell, Rosaner Dec 1837 (62) 11 ch 6 wid lodger Vance Jun 1880 (19) " Catawba Co. Marriages: Poovey, John W. [24] Campbell, Rhoda [22] 8 June 1890 [David Setzer-Polly Poovey] [Wesley-Rosanah] J.L. Hewitt, J.P. Wit: Belton Hewitt, Baxter Murray, R.V. Murphy I find no record of Wesley Campbell

Hello List I have been ask to find information on a RHODA CAMEL who was born out of wedlock about 1870 in Catawba County. She was taken in by Manuel Cline and raised in his family. Her father was a Dr. her mother worked for. She might have been Indian. She married John William Poovey and had a son Perry David Poovey in 1900. Sally

The early county were divided into militia companies. These companies had a captain and other pertinent officers. The militia captain was supposed to "muster" his company during each year, I think, twice a year but that may not be correct. When taxes were taken, they were taken by militia company. Each company was identified by its captain. The tax collector for the company may or may not be the captain. These taxes were of two types: 1. ad valorum, which was the value of the property. This is similar to our property taxes today. 2. poll taxes. Each male between the ages as defined by the state law would be taxed a certain amount. One law taxed males between the ages of 21 and 45. I hope this helps. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: nancy erb <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] Tax List 'Company' > Would someone on this list be able shed some light on how a tax list 'company' > may be defined? > > For example: > > My 4 gr-grandfather, Alexander Orr is on the Rutherford County NC 1782 Tax List, > listed in 'Captain Robert Rankin's Company'. > > Many Thanks, > Nancy Orr Erb > a Michigander > > > > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== > Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC > For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ > Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page > >

The county was divided into districts similar to present-day townships. The districts were referred to as Companies. The division of the county into districts/companies was based on population. The company was called by the name of its Captain. Often the same man was elected year after year and then his son was elected to the position as a tradition. Residents registered taxes in their company, voted at their company polling place, and served in their company's militia unit. Each company had a Justice of the Peace and a Company Captain and a militia Captain. The company also had a Constable. The same person could fill more than one of these positions and in earliest days the JP was most often his company's Captain and his militia unit Captain. A young man's "career path" in terms of civic prominence would often begin with his service as his company's Constable, moving up eventually to the other positions. The Company Captains and the militia Captains were elected annually by popular vote in their company. Be aware, however, that being Company Captain does not automatically imply that the same person was the militia Captain for that area [confused yet?]. A militia unit had to have a certain number of men of the appropriate age. If a district/company did not have enough eligible men for militia duty, they combined with another district/company to make up sufficient men for one militia unit. This was only for purposes of militia service. ============ 13 September 2000, nancy erb wrote: > Would someone on this list be able shed some light on how a tax list > 'company' may be defined? > > For example: > My 4 gr-grandfather, Alexander Orr is on the Rutherford County NC 1782 > Tax List, listed in 'Captain Robert Rankin's Company'. > > Many Thanks, > Nancy Orr Erb > a Michigander

Would someone on this list be able shed some light on how a tax list 'company' may be defined? For example: My 4 gr-grandfather, Alexander Orr is on the Rutherford County NC 1782 Tax List, listed in 'Captain Robert Rankin's Company'. Many Thanks, Nancy Orr Erb a Michigander

I can only tell you that he was not in Catawba county..... AEC >From: [email protected] >Subject: [CATAWBA-WEST] 1900 Census >Would anyone have access to Family Archive CD # 903, 1900 Census Microfilm >Records for NC. On an index I found a D. W. Killian, would like to know what >county he is in. > >Linda McCarthy > >--------------------------------

Would anyone have access to Family Archive CD # 903, 1900 Census Microfilm Records for NC. On an index I found a D. W. Killian, would like to know what county he is in. Linda McCarthy