I checked the Germans to America CDs. There were no given name matches listed in 1851 for your HELLER family. The closest match I could find with individuals arriving on the same ship were the following people. I realize they are a long shot. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Friedke. Heller Age: 33 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 25, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Saale Manifest ID Number: 38916 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Friedr. Heller Age: 67 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 25, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Saale Manifest ID Number: 38916 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Gust. Heller Age: 7 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 25, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Saale Manifest ID Number: 38916 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Marie Heller Age: 68 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 25, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Saale Manifest ID Number: 38916 Port of Embarkation: Bremen ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcha" <marcha5@earthlink.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Lookup Assistance Hello List members! I am looking for information on Wilhelm E. F. Heller and his brother, Frederick Michael Heller. If anyone has the German to America book, could you please assist in looking up information on these two brothers. According to handed down stories, Wilhelm E.F. Heller and family (wife: Maria Elisabeth Daberkow Heller and son: Gustav Adolph Heller) plus his brother, Frederick Michael Heller and family (wife: Friedaricka Henrietta Heller Heller) came to America in 1851. The month and day, I have never know. Assistance in locating the full date these brothers and their families entered America is greatly appreciated. Regards, Marcha