I found these 3 Thar families. Maybe they will be of help. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Cathar. Thar Age: 42 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ferd. Thar Age: 51 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Jacob Thar Age: 2 months Gender: Male Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Johann Thar Age: 11 Gender: Male Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Josef Thar Age: 9 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Marg. Thar Age: 4 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Maria Thar Age: 17 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Martha Thar Age: 7 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Wilh. Thar Age: 2 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. Passenger's Name: Alwine Thar Age: 5 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Auguste Thar Age: 50 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Carl Thar Age: 56 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ernst Thar Age: 7 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Friedrich Thar Age: 16 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ludwig Thar Age: 9 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. Passenger's Name: Auguste Thar Age: 19 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1886 Final Destination: Baltimore Ship's Name: Hermann Manifest ID Number: 16104 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Linda Kaser" <kaser@oakharbor.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:32 PM I'm fairly new to this site. I am researching the Thar family that came from Germany approximately 1880-1885. I am specifically looking for Johann, Mathias, and Ferdinand. I believe Ferdinand is the father of the other two. Where would I find a ships record without an exact arrival date? Thank you in advance. Linda