Joan, I tried to match the time frame, names, childbearing age and final destination to come up with something for you to work with. Your work is certainly cut out for you. There must be hundreds of listings for Carl Jung (almost all of which I did not include for the above reasons). Best of luck. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Carl Jung Age: 23 Gender: Male Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 10, 1852 Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Eastern Queen Captain's Name: A. G. Ross Manifest ID Number: 00006923 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Margarethe Jung Age: 21 Gender: Female Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 10, 1852 Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Eastern Queen Captain's Name: A. G. Ross Manifest ID Number: 00006923 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage .................................................. Passenger's Name: Margar. Koeppel Age: 26 Gender: Female Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Bavaria Date of Arrival: Sep 13, 1854 Final Destination: United States Ship's Name: Zurich Port of Embarkation: Havre Port of Debarkation: New York (only "Jung" on ship was 19-yr old Agnasia from Bavaria) .................................................. Passenger's Name: Vallen Jung Age: 68 Gender: Female Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 17, 1854 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: South Carolina Captain's Name: James Stewart Manifest ID Number: 00007825 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling with this individual: Vallen, age 10, female Marg., age 39, female Joh., age 37, male Conrad, age 7, male Christine, age 17, female Catharine, age 11, female Arina, age 32, female Anna, age 9 months, female And., age 57, male .................................................. Passenger's Name: Adam Jung Age: 13 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Bavaria Date of Arrival: Aug 16, 1853 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Helvetia Captain's Name: B. F. Marsh Manifest ID Number: 00007530 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling with this individual: Catharina, age 9, female Friedrich, age 3, male Jakob, age 43, male Margaretha, age 38, female Margaretha, age 9 months, female Peter, age 18, male Philipp, age 15, male Philipp, age 6, male Susanna, age 8, female ................................................ ----- Original Message ----- From: "rijoperk" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:40 PM Sandra, You are wonderful!!! I am researching CARL JUNG and MARGARETHA KOEPPEL/KEPPEL who came to US thru Castle Gardens most likely during 1853 and 1854 timeframe. Their first child was born NYCity June 03, 1855. There has been no indication in the NYCity Vital Rec. - Marriages - that they were married here in States, so it might be assumed they were married before they left Germany which is in accord with the 1853-1854 time period of arrival. Thank you so much for your kindness. Best wishes. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Kieffer [mailto:Kieffer@pioneer-net.com] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:10 PM To: CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] 1853-54 Immigration I have 2 Germans to America CDs, covering the years 1850 thru 1888. I will try to find a record of your ancestor. I will need his name, and names of family members accompanying him (if you have them). Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "rijoperk" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:39 PM Hi, I have a g-g-grandfather who came to US 1853-54 from Germany and because of the dates, it is assumed he came in thru Castle Garden. Are there records of these arrivals? Indexed?? Thanks. Joan

This may be a silly question, but are there listings on the internet of people who arrived at Castle Garden? If not, how do I go about locating my ancestors who arrived prior to Ellis Island? ----- Original Message ----- From: <CASTLE-GARDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: CASTLE-GARDEN-D Digest V02 #93

Hi, I have a g-g-grandfather who came to US 1853-54 from Germany and because of the dates, it is assumed he came in thru Castle Garden. Are there records of these arrivals? Indexed?? Thanks. Joan

I have 2 Germans to America CDs, covering the years 1850 thru 1888. I will try to find a record of your ancestor. I will need his name, and names of family members accompanying him (if you have them). Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "rijoperk" <rijoperk@twcny.rr.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:39 PM Hi, I have a g-g-grandfather who came to US 1853-54 from Germany and because of the dates, it is assumed he came in thru Castle Garden. Are there records of these arrivals? Indexed?? Thanks. Joan

Hi, Looking for info of g.grand-father John A.Moody.His naturalization papers say he arrived July 1,1880 port of NY.He was naturalized in 1905,so there were no details on his paper work. John was b.1835 in Devon England.He left England,yr unknown,going to Canada,where we find him having his first child in 1870. He is then found on the 1880 NY census with wife Margaret O'Donoghue(b.Co.Kerry Ireland) and 4 children.I do not know if they arrived together from Canada. Does anyone have or know of an on line source that could help me locate the name of the ship he arrived on? I have a 6yr old and I don't drive,so basically I am stuck with mainly internet research and the kindness of others. Maureen (NY,USA) Ye Old Directory Shoppe Select from approx.166 directory cds http://yeoldedirectoryshoppe.com/oldcitydirectories/CD.html FREE transcription and look-up pages now on-line!

Hi Molly. This doesn't directly answer your question but if Moody's first child was born in Canada it is a good possibility that he was also married in Canada. The marriage record and birth record will certainly be available on microfilm which you will be able to order in. For Ontario births try MS 931 and for marriages try MS 934. You should be able to order them from the Ontario Archives or the LDS. Good luck. I have a question of my own which I hope a reader will answer. My g. grandfather Samuel Cameron Smith emigrated to the US from Canada (actually across the river from Windsor, Ontario to Detroit, Michigan) sometime before 1880. He and his wife (name unknown but likely Alice Barsley) had a child (Catherine Nina, b. January 19, 1880) while living in Detroit, and his wife died shortly thereafter. By 1881 Smith is back in Windsor living with his infant daughter in the home of his mother and father and thereafter the family remained in Canada. I am searching for these particular birth and death certificates without much success but my question concerns immigration records. Would Samuel and his wife have had to register as immigrants when moving to Detroit and would the US-born infant have been registered as an emigrant when leaving the US? How strict and efficient was the border regulated c.1880? If they did register, where would those records be held? -----Original Message----- From: molly [mailto:molly6@optonline.net] Sent: 13 May 2002 09:53 To: CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] July 1,1880 coming from Canada Hi, Looking for info of g.grand-father John A.Moody.His naturalization papers say he arrived July 1,1880 port of NY.He was naturalized in 1905,so there were no details on his paper work. John was b.1835 in Devon England.He left England,yr unknown,going to Canada,where we find him having his first child in 1870. He is then found on the 1880 NY census with wife Margaret O'Donoghue(b.Co.Kerry Ireland) and 4 children.I do not know if they arrived together from Canada. Does anyone have or know of an on line source that could help me locate the name of the ship he arrived on? I have a 6yr old and I don't drive,so basically I am stuck with mainly internet research and the kindness of others. Maureen (NY,USA) Ye Old Directory Shoppe Select from approx.166 directory cds http://yeoldedirectoryshoppe.com/oldcitydirectories/CD.html FREE transcription and look-up pages now on-line! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Oh, Sandra, What a trove of treasures for restoring the clean slate here with urls for researching. Thanks a million, you're a doll and you certainly made my Mother's Day fullfilled! Fondly, Bobbie

----- Original Message ----- From: <CASTLE-GARDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: CASTLE-GARDEN-D Digest V02 #91

Yes, Sandra, those web sites you listed were a great help to me, in restoring information to my hard drive, which was replaced recently..........causing loss of earlier "favorite" urls! Thank you for sharing! Fondly, Bobbie

I have crashed and burned twice. It's a heartbreaker. Check these out in your spare time. Maybe they'll help. Sandra CENSUS: http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census/ http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/agesearch.html GOVERNMENT: http://www.vitalrec.com/ http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ http://www.tncrimlaw.com/foia/II.html MAPS: http://www.davidrumsey.com/ http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form http://www.usgenweb.com/statelinks.html http://www.topozone.com/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/table2.html http://mapserver.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfm http://www.mapquest.com/ MILITARY: http://www.abmc.gov/abmc45.htm OBITS & CEMETERIES: http://www.interment.net/ http://www.daddezio.com/cemetery/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wapsgs/WSCA/education.htm http://www.findagrave.com/ http://www.obitcentral.com/ http://www.obitlinkspage.com/ SEARCH LISTS: http://www.genhelp.org/ http://members.aol.com/Tuffsearch/nametraditions.html http://www.geneanet.org/ http://www.gendirectory.com/ http://www.cyndislist.com/ http://www.searchforancestors.com/ USEFUL SITES: http://translation2.paralink.com/ http://community-2.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/ssdigits/ http://www.outfitters.com/genealogy/land/twprangemap.html http://www.gaeleire.freeservers.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie Spiegel" <msdaisy@awesomenet.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] RE: Kehrt Yes, Sandra, those web sites you listed were a great help to me, in restoring information to my hard drive, which was replaced recently..........causing loss of earlier "favorite" urls! Thank you for sharing! Fondly, Bobbie

Sandra, Thanks for checking. I had seen those names in Germans to America, also. Are there any othr lists or sources I could check? I have a scrap of paper from my mother-in-law that indicates they arrived Aug. 24, 1888. I am assuming they came to New York, since they settled in Queens. Unfortunately, there is nobody left in the family who I can ask. I started thid project after there were all gone. Thanks again. Michaele __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Michaele, Try these web sites to assist you in furthering your quest. The last 4 are constantly being added to and updated. http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/index.html http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm http://distantcousin.com/Links/ships/ http://istg.rootsweb.com/ http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html I hope these web sites are of some help. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <michaelekehrt@netscape.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] RE: Kehrt Sandra, Thanks for checking. I had seen those names in Germans to America, also. Are there any othr lists or sources I could check? I have a scrap of paper from my mother-in-law that indicates they arrived Aug. 24, 1888. I am assuming they came to New York, since they settled in Queens. Unfortunately, there is nobody left in the family who I can ask. I started thid project after there were all gone. Thanks again. Michaele

These are the only results I received from my Germans to America, 1875-1888 CD. Sandra in Oregon These were the only KEHRT entries: Eva, age 20 from Germany, arrived 24 Dec 1883 Georg, age 24 from Germany, arrived 24 Dec 1883 Georg., age 58 from Germany, arrived 7 Oct 1882 Grichen, age 27 from Germany, arrived 1 Jun 1882 Rosina, age 23 from Bavaria, arrived 4 Oct 1887 No KAEHRT entries. Only KAHRT entry: Emil, age 22 from Germany, arrived 10 Nov 1879 ----- Original Message ----- From: <michaelekehrt@netscape.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:28 PM Does anyone have information on John (Johann) Kehrt (Kaehrt or Kahrt) and his wife Erenestine who supposedly arrived in New York from Germany (or possibly Poland) in 1888. Thanks for anything anyone might have. Michaele

Does anyone have information on John (Johann) Kehrt (Kaehrt or Kahrt) and his wife Erenestine who supposedly arrived in New York from Germany (or possibly Poland) in 1888. Thanks for anything anyone might have. Michaele __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Hi Jerry, I was the one who posted the list of arrivals. I'm at a loss as to why the other two landings of Thingvalla were not recorded in the Harbor Master's Register. It certainly is disturbing news as it shows the Register is far from complete or accurate. It was this Register that was passed on to Customs. I'm truly sorry for any problems or inconvenience this has caused you and other researchers. I wish I had an explanation. Take care, Tracy

Some time ago a Castle Gardens lister looked up the Thingavalla for me and found it arriving in New York only in the spring of 1882. Then there was a list of ships that was posted which arrived in New York for that period and it also showed the Thingavalla arriving only in the spring. There was some recent information on the Norway List which showed the Thingavalla arriving in the summer and fall (see below). My great grandparents would have arrived in the fall. Why are there no Castle Garden records of the Thingavalla arriving in New York in the summer and fall when it apparently did? Jerry Berge 8703 5 1882 248 28 9937 1 21. Sep. 1882 21. Sep. 1882 Nils Anders. Fyrbødder m 23 Eidsvold New York Fr. Lie Thingvalla Ppd T. Fasting Marie Gulbrands. P k 14 Eidsvold New York Fr. Lie Thingvalla Ppd 6444 5 1882 184 19 8660 1 27. Jul. 1882 27. Jul. 1882 Anton Gulbrands. Arb m 17 Eidsvold New York Fr. Lie Thingvalla Ppd R

Sandra, Thank You for the look up. I'll keep plugging away. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Lohmeier- 1851-1856 > Hello Ken, > No given name matches for the LOHMEIER. Just these: > Sandra in Oregon > > Adolph, age 17 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) > August, age 14, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 > August, age 17, Hanover to New Orleans, 7 Nov 1857 > Bernhard Carl, age 24 from Germany, 7 Jun 1864 > Ernst, age 18 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) > Fritz, age 19 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) > H.,age 33, USA to USA (citizen), 31 Mar 1862 > H., age 45, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 > Heinrich, age 10, Hanover to New Orleans, 7 Nov 1857 > Heinrich, age 18, Prussia to New York, 7 Oct 1858 > Heinrich, age 20, Hanover to Ohio, 1850-1874 (no date) > Juettine, age 21, Prussia to St. Louis, 1850-1874 (no date) > Ludw., age 20, Germany to St. Louis, 16 Dec 1856 > Marie, age 45, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 > Sophie, age 14, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken's Mail" <kiloh@etahoe.com> > To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:07 AM > > Hi Sandra: > When you have a free moment!!!, would you please check for a John Georg and > Maria LOHMEIER. They came to America with their two children William and > Anna, some time between 1851 and 1856. Thank you so much > Ken > Lake Tahoe, Ca. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Ken, No given name matches for the LOHMEIER. Just these: Sandra in Oregon Adolph, age 17 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) August, age 14, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 August, age 17, Hanover to New Orleans, 7 Nov 1857 Bernhard Carl, age 24 from Germany, 7 Jun 1864 Ernst, age 18 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) Fritz, age 19 from Hanover, 1850-1874 (no date listed) H.,age 33, USA to USA (citizen), 31 Mar 1862 H., age 45, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 Heinrich, age 10, Hanover to New Orleans, 7 Nov 1857 Heinrich, age 18, Prussia to New York, 7 Oct 1858 Heinrich, age 20, Hanover to Ohio, 1850-1874 (no date) Juettine, age 21, Prussia to St. Louis, 1850-1874 (no date) Ludw., age 20, Germany to St. Louis, 16 Dec 1856 Marie, age 45, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 Sophie, age 14, Germany to Chicago, 5 Aug 1866 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken's Mail" <kiloh@etahoe.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:07 AM Hi Sandra: When you have a free moment!!!, would you please check for a John Georg and Maria LOHMEIER. They came to America with their two children William and Anna, some time between 1851 and 1856. Thank you so much Ken Lake Tahoe, Ca.

Hi Sandra and thank you again he is elusive and did you ever go the extra mile. Tom in FL Surnames I am researching: Paternal: BARDEN-BARDIN-BARDON, CAREY-CARY, DUNNIGAN and HURSON. Maternal: BAUER, EASTWOOD, EMERLING-EMLING- EMMERLING, FINSTER, HAAG, and SCHAFFER http://community.webtv.net/TOM727/BARDONFAMILYHISTORY

Thanks for the quick reply on my request. I was hoping there were some records for Castle Garden that would match up closer to his recollections. Ann