Hello all, I'm new to this list and have identified that some of my relatives arrived circa 1883 in New York City. Family lore is that they can via Ellis Island but as I've done research this is obviuosly untrue. I expect they would have come through Castle Garden instead. Can so one tell me what kind of inforamtion might be available in relation to those coming via Castle Gardens. I already had my ggarndfathers naturalization documents and although they should have told me when and where he entered the country records at that time were not well kept. As a result no information in respect to the date, ship or other information. Any input as to what I could espect to find from records that might have been kept there would be helpful Eric Wickberg Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Hello List members! I am looking for information on Wilhelm E. F. Heller and his brother, Frederick Michael Heller. If anyone has the German to America book, could you please assist in looking up information on these two brothers. According to handed down stories, Wilhelm E.F. Heller and family (wife: Maria Elisabeth Daberkow Heller and son: Gustav Adolph Heller) plus his brother, Frederick Michael Heller and family (wife:Friedaricka Henrietta Heller Heller) came to America in 1851. The month and day, I have never know. Assistance in locating the full date these brothers and their families entered America is greatly appreciated. Regards, Marcha

I am looking for a Helen Dobson and her son George Dobson that came over from England in 1888. Helen was a widow, age abt 41 and George was 12 yrs old. They were living in Yeovil,Somerset, England. I don't know what town they departed from Thanks Robin

I am requesting a search of passenger records from the NARA. I need to know the approximate date of arrival. I know that the ship left Queenstown on April 11, 1883. Would three to four weeks seem to be an average trip? I have heard of voyages as long as three months and as short as two weeks. I have to guess at this so need some input. Carol

>From Germans to America 1850 - 1874 CD: Passenger's Name: Fr. ??? Vedder Age: 40 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 7, 1870 Final Destination: United States Ship's Name: Allemannia Port of Embarkation: Hamburg Port of Debarkation: New York Passenger's Name: Franz Vedder Age: 23 Gender: Male Occupation: Cigar Maker Last Residence: Bremen Date of Arrival: Apr 27, 1868 Final Destination: New York Ship's Name: Harzburg Port of Embarkation: Bremen Port of Debarkation: New York >From Germans to America 1875 - 1888 CD: Passenger's Name: Franz Vedder Age: 17 Gender: Male Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Sep 23, 1886 Final Destination: Unknown Ship's Name: Rhynland Manifest ID Number: 38862 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Passenger's Name: Franz Vedder Age: 24 Gender: Male Occupation: Smith Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Jun 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36674 Port of Embarkation: Bremen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Marie Schuh" <annschuh@erols.com> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:05 AM Would it be possible for you to look up Franz (Frank or Franciscus) Vedder. He is my great grandfather and it is my understanding that he immigrated from Germany during this period, but I have no information about where in Germany he might have come from. Thanks for any help you might be able to give, Anna Marie Schuh

I checked all 3 of my CDs and found no Alnwick listings. Do you have access to Ancestry.com? I pulled the following from their paid subscription database. There are several English BMD records, as well as a few death istings from FL, CA and IA., and a few hits from NY city directories. Sandra in Oregon Canadian Immigrant Records, Part One Surname: Alnwick Given Name: Thomas J. G. Age: 35 Year of Record: 1901 Occupation: Source/Event: 1901 Census of Canada: Province of Ontario Reference: National Archives of Canada: Microfilm reel No. T-6497, District 116 - Toronto City, Sub-District A9 - Ward 3, page 7. Others: Comments: Immigrated to Canada in 1890. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAlnwick@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Thanks Sandra Sandra, Hi, would you look up the surname Alnwick. This name has been a mystery Any information would be greatly appreciated Sincerely,James N . Alnwick NDFHS9626

Sandra, Hi, would you look up the surname Alnwick. This name has been a mystery Any information would be greatly appreciated Sincerely,James N . Alnwick NDFHS9626

Thanks Sandra for the look up of Bean, Dinning and Louttit. It is much appreciated.

My 2nd GrGrandfather James Keats b.August 23, 1819 Wiltshire, England U.K. Arrived in U.S. July 1848 and was Naturalized June 9, 1860 Trumbull Co, OH - This taken from his Naturalization papers. I cannot find any Declaration of Intent. It seems that he would have arrived thru the wharfs of Manhattan if immigrant arrivals Before August 1855 came thru wharfs of Manhattan. Any info on ships arriving in U.S. July 1848 or passenger list with his name ? He would have been 29 or 30. Did anyone come with him ? I would like to be able to trace his family and Ancestors back to Wiltshire. Thanks for any help. Bob Wallace in IL

I checked my CD's for your BACH and came up blank. I also checked Ancestry.com, where I had one hit: Found in Biography & Genealogy Master Index (BGMI) from Ancestry.com. 48623 Bach, Johann Egidius 1645-1716 Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Sixth edition. Revised by Nicolas Slonimsky. New York: Schirmer Books; London: Collier Macmillan Publishers, 1978. (BakBD 78) If you check the message boards at Ancestry.com, there are 4 messages posted by 3 individuals. Perhaps that will help further your search. Wish I could have been of more help. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "florence kelly" <fkelly3@socal.rr.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: Look up Dear Sandra, Would you please do a look up for me? I signed up for the Castle Garden list but am not sure how to request a look up. I am searching for Egidius Bach who sailed from Antwerp, and arrived in NY about Oct. 1, 1850. His naturalization said he was from Luxemborg and he listed himself as German or French through the years. NARA searched and I have searched everything I could find without locating him. I would appreciate any help. Thanks Florence

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> To: <AngelGull@aol.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: HEINIG From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD. Passenger's Name: Freder. Heinig Age: 21 Gender: Male Occupation: Mechanic Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Jun 27, 1853 Final Destination: Cumberland Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Emma Captain's Name: John Hellmers Manifest ID Number: 00015101 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Cabin Passenger's Name: Friedrik Heinig Age: 24 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Bavaria Date of Arrival: Mar 23, 1854 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Electric Captain's Name: G. Gates Manifest ID Number: 00007749 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage Other HEINIG individuals listed on disk: Agnes, age 25, Germany to US, 2 Nov 1871 Auge., age 28, Germany to US, 2 Sep 1869 August, age 24, Germany to US, 11 Aug 1873 C. (male), age 6, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Carl, age 17, Germany to US, (bet 1850-1874) Catha., age 40, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Catharine, age 22, Bavaria to US, 23 Mar 1854 Christe., age 29, Germany to US, 17 Jun 1873 E. (male), age 9, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Eva, age 19, Germany to OH, 6 May 1854 Florente, age 17, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Frz., age 24, Germany to US, 14 Jun 1869 G. (male), age 23, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Godfried, age 26, Saxony to ??, 26 Jun 1861 H. (male), age 8, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Hans, age ??, Germany to US, 2 Nov 1871 Hermann, age 5, Germany to US, 17 Jun 1873 Hermann, age 30, Germany to US, 14 Sep 1872 Hugo, age 3, Germany to US, 2 Nov 1871 John Theoph., age 39, Germany to US, 19 Nov 1853 Joseph, age 33, Germany to US, 20 May 1854 Joseph, age 34, Germany to Cincinnati, 26 Jun 1861 Juls., age 26, Germany to US, 14 Jun 1869 Louise, age 23, Bavaria to US, 23 Mar 1854 Maria, age 13, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Marie, age 30, Germany to US, 4 Oct 1869 Sophie, age 47, Germany to US, 19 Nov 1853 Therese, age 27, Germany to US, 13 Jun 1871 Val., age 26, Germany to US, 12 Mar 1860 ......................... This is from Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: Passenger's Name: Friedr. Heinig Age: 31 Gender: Male Occupation: Butcher Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 15, 1884 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Salier Manifest ID Number: 16007 Port of Embarkation: Bremen ......................... I received no hits on the Wuerttemberg Emigration Index CD. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <AngelGull@aol.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: German lookup Hi Sandra: Saw on the MO-STLOUIS-Metro-L list that you did a lookup for a German ancester. Could I please ask you to check the sources you mentioned, Germans to America 1850-1874, and Wuerttemberg Emigration Index CD for my ggrandfather (and gggrandfather) HEINIG. I am interested in any, but particularly Frederick A., Charles Ferdinand, or Frederick F. They came to America approx. 1850 and/or 1854, but can't seem to find where they came into. I suspect New Orleans, but can't be sure. Thanks for any help. Rose

Hi, I am trying to find out when my great grandparents came over from England. I believe they came separately. I think my ggrandfather must have come over sometime after 1881 and before 1886 as he was on the UK census for 1881 and applied for naturalisation in 1888. Surnames BEAN DINNING and LOUTTIT

These were found on Germans to America 1875-1888. Passenger's Name: Mr. ??? Bean Age: 46 Gender: Male Occupation: Merchant Last Residence: France Date of Arrival: Jan 3, 1880 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: France Manifest ID Number: 80001 Port of Embarkation: Havre Passenger's Name: Augustine Bean Age: 23 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: France Date of Arrival: Aug 25, 1881 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: France Manifest ID Number: 80153 Port of Embarkation: Havre Passenger's Name: Mrs. C. Bean Age: 40 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Unknown Date of Arrival: May 12, 1883 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Citizen of USA Ship's Name: Elbe Manifest ID Number: 37316 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Mode of Travel: Cabin Passenger's Name: Mrs. Florence Bean Age: 19 Gender: Female Occupation: none Last Residence: Unknown Date of Arrival: May 12, 1883 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Citizen of USA Ship's Name: Elbe Manifest ID Number: 37316 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Mode of Travel: Cabin Passenger's Name: Mar. Bean Age: 22 Gender: Femal Occupation: None Last Residence: France Date of Arrival: Apr 12, 1884 Final Destination: Unknown Ship's Name: Noordland Manifest ID Number: 37703 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Passenger's Name: Philip Bean Age: 20 Gender: Male Occupation: Stoker Last Residence: Unknown Date of Arrival: Jan 21, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Canada Captain's Name: Summer Manifest ID Number 34649 Port of Embarkation: London Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: U. Bean Age: ??? Gender: Female Occupation: Infant Last Residence: France Date of Arrival: Apr 12, 1884 Final Destination: Unknown Ship's Name: Noordland Manifest ID Number: 37703 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp I found these DINNIG family members: Heinrich, age 23, from Germany, arrived Mar 25, 1869 Fredk., age 33 from Germany, arrived Sep 12, 1880 Cath., age 23 from Germany, arrived Sep 12, 1880 Wm., age 2, from Germany, arrived Sep 12, 1880 Albert, age 9 months, from Germany, arrived Sep 12, 1880 Elise, age 23, from Germany, arrived Sep 13, 1883. These were found on Germans to America 1850-1874. I included them because they came from England. Passenger's Name: George Bean Age: 21 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: England Date of Arrival: Dec 12, 1853 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Congress Captain's Name: Williams Manifest ID Number: 00007655 Port of Embarkation: Glasgow Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Jane Bean Age: 28 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: England Date of Arrival: Oct 3, 1866 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Manifest ID Number: 00030044 Port of Embarkation: Genoa Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Simon Bean Age: 30 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: England Date of Arrival: Oct 3, 1866 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Manifest ID Number: 00030044 Port of Embarkation: Genoa Mode of Travel: Steerage I found nothing on LOUTTIT, or any spellings even close. I hope some of these will be of some use to you. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilary" <h15@btinternet.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:31 AM Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] New subscriber Hi, I am trying to find out when my great grandparents came over from England. I believe they came separately. I think my ggrandfather must have come over sometime after 1881 and before 1886 as he was on the UK census for 1881 and applied for naturalisation in 1888. Surnames BEAN DINNING and LOUTTIT

>From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD. No exact matches, but I feel pretty positive about these hits. Good luck. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Ignatz Szydlowsky Age: 8 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Nevada Captain's Name: Price Manifest ID Number: 00033464 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Marianne Szyllowski Age: 28 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Nevada Captain's Name: Price Manifest ID Number: 00033464 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival Date not Stated). Passenger's Name: Alris Pedrotte Age: 9 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Filmira Pedrotte Age: 34 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Landre Pedrotte Age: 8 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Leandr. Pedrotte Age: 42 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Lorezo Pedrotte Age: 3 months Gender: Male Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). Passenger's Name: Ludg. Pedrotte Age: 4 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Celtic Captain's Name: Kiddle Manifest ID Number: 00033684 Mode of Travel: Steerage (Arrival date not stated). ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa ballmann" <asif@fidnet.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] look up please have you run across any SZYDLOWSKI or PEDROTTI ?pedrotti ,1870 and szydlow betewwn 1901 and 1907- thanks

I have been reading the questions and answers on this list for awhile . I know that there are some very knowledgeable people out there.I hope that somone can give me a direction to go in. A cousin and I have been trying to find the ship that they arrived on or the town that our ancestors are from. The cousin and Ihave met online and even together we have run into brick walls. We know that our Bose relatives came around 1888 and 1890 and that they came from Germany by steerage. They ended up in SAn Jose California but some documents state that they they stayed in another place before coming to San Jose. We have checked Census records and other sources but have been unable to locate any information how where and when they arrived. They were supposed to have come from a town by the name of Buttle. Any ideas on how to begin looking for them? Thanks Cindy __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Hi Sandra, Thank you for the information. I will check out the two Sylvestre Laube from Switzerland further. You might have something there. Again, thanks for the help! You are doing everyone such a big favor by looking these up. It is much appreciated! LaVonne Barnum cebarnum@juno.com

have you run across any SZYDLOWSKI or PEDROTTI ?pedrotti ,1870 and szydlow betewwn 1901 and 1907- thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02

Sandra, Thank you so much for your time. The only source that I have pertaining to Thomas Canan is the 1900 census. Your information opens up other possibilities. Thank you.

Hi Sandra, Could you please check your Germans to America to see if Sylvester Lauber or any other Laubers came to America from Baden from 1850 - 1856? I understand Sylvester Lauber came over with two brothers and they got separated when they got off the boat in New York. I cannot find anything on the two brothers. Thank you for your help. LaVonne Barnum cebarnum@Juno.com