Found on Germans to America 1850-1874 CD: Passenger's Name: James Scales Age: 22 Gender: Male Occupation: None Last Residence: England Date of Arrival: Jul 16, 1852 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Sir R. Peel Captain's Name: Dwick Manifest ID Number: 00007170 Port of Embarkation: Glasgow Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Thos. Scales Age: 51 Gender: Male Occupation: Mason Last Residence: United States Date of Arrival: Jun 4, 1858 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Citizen of USA Ship's Name: North Star Captain's Name: E. L. Tinkelpaugh Manifest ID Number: 00009215 Port of Embarkation: Cardenas Mode of Travel: Cabin ......................... There were no SCALES on the Germans to America 1875-1888 CD. ......................... On Ancestry.com, in the "New York Naturalization Petition Index, 1907-24" database: Name: Michael Scales Address: 345 E. 36 St. Volume: 398 Page: 107 Date: 19 May 1920 ......................... On Ancestry.com, in the 1890 New York City Directory: SCALES Charles, baker, h r 283 Monroe SCALES George, carpenter, h 138 E. 28th SCALES Robert, conductor, h 300 E 88th ......................... On Ancestry.com, in the "Binghamton, New York Directories, 1888-90": Anna Scales, operator, 137 Hawley, Binghamton, NY, 1888 Charles Scales, varnisher, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1888 Katie M. Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1888 Maggie Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1888 Thomas Scales, shoemaker, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1888 Charles Scales, varnisher, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1889 Henry Scales, cigarmaker, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1889 Katie M. Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1889 Maggie Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1889 Thomas Scales, shoemaker, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1889 Charles Scales, varnisher, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1890 Henry Scales, varnisher, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1890 Katie M. Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1890 Maggie Scales, operative, boards 35 Maiden Lane, Binghamton NY, 1890 Thomas Scales, shoemaker, boards 35 Maiden Ln, Binghamton NY, 1890 ......................... On Ancestry.com, in "Canadian Immigration Records, part one": Name: George Scales Age: 43 Year of Record: 1901 Source/Event: 1901 Census of Canada: Province of Manitoba (list of immigrants extracted) Reference: National Archives of Canada Microfilm Reel No. T6435, District 012-Winnipeg, City, Sub-District B09, page 4 Comments: born outside of Canada ......................... I don't know how much help any of this will be to you, but it was all I was able to come up with. Good luck on your search. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scales" <rhscales@libcom.com> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Germans to America 1875- 1888 Hi Sandra-- I found your info. on the above subject on the Castle Garden site. This a long shot for me for I have hit a brick wall as to when my ancestors came to America from UK My Gfather --George Scales in his nat. papers, states he came to the US on May 1886 from Barnsley England[Yorkshire Co.]. I've checked alot on that date but to no avail. In checking the US census for 1900 1910, I find that my father states he came here in 1887-- this a comment my sister remembers dad saying, that he remembered going fishing from the boat on his 10 b'day--- which is 24 Nov 1877. Then I find in the same census that his sister[my aunt] who is 4 yrs older than my father,states she came in 1888. If you could check for me. I would be very appreciative--- George and Mary Wright Scales [my Gparents] Sadia b. 1874 George Aylmer b. 1877[my father] Eldred b. 1882 Nora b. 1884 Many thanks to you for any info you can provide or any direction you may suggest

>From the Germans to America 1850-1874 CD: Passenger's Name: Cath. Schoch Age: 6 Gender: Male (possible typo) Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Friedrich Schoch Age: 10 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Johann Schoch Age: 38 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Mechanic Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Magd. Schoch Age: 11 Gender: Female Occupation: Farmer Mechanic (definite typo) Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Magd. Schoch Age: 31 Gender: Female Occupation: Farmer Mechanic (probably typo) Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Mathias Schoch Age: 7 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Also found these children on board. (Note spelling variant). Passenger's Name: Marie Schach Age: 3 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Rosine Schach Age: 5 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 18, 1853 Final Destination: Germany Purpose for Travel: Returning to Country of Origin Ship's Name: Haward Captain's Name: Georg E. Balch Manifest ID Number: 00007624 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage I looked at the records of several other passengers aboard the ship. It seems that all of them were "returning to country of origin". Perhaps the ship passengers were suffering from some dreadful fever or plague. Sometimes the CD transcription notes that a passenger died on board. No record of such was noted for these individuals. Due to the poor job done transcribing the above records, it would be best for you to order the ship transcripts to verify your information. I was unable to locate Emanuel FRIEDRICH on the Germans to America 1875-1888 CD. Sorry. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheFFs@aol.com> To: <kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: Castle Gardens I obtained this e-mail address from one of the mailing lists online for research of Castle Garden immigration. If this is incorrect I sincerely apologize. o of my ancestors came from Germany to New York. Emanuel Friedrich: Federal Census lists 1879, Baden Immigration Index 1880. Johann Friedrich Schoch, his wife Magdelena and his children Magdelena (died enroute) Katharina (died enroute)Karl (died enroute)Maria, Friedrich & Mathias. All the children that died enroute, in November 1853. Again if you can help I am forever grateful, if this request is unwanted I sincerely apologize. Regards, Carl Friedrich

In a message dated 08/04/02 5:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kieffer@pioneer-net.com writes: << I'm sorry, but my Germans to America CDs only cover the years 1850 thru 1888. - Sandra in Oregon >> Hi Sandy, Would you have the time to check your CD to see if my grandmother's 3 sisters and 1 brother are listed? They emigrated from Bramsche, Hannover, Germany before Ellis Island opened. Would the record give the ship name and port of entry? I put the name they went by in parentheses. Margaretha "Louisa" Larberg emigrated 1881, age abt. 22 Carolina Maria Wilhelmina "Lena" Larberg emigrated 1884, age abt. 15 "Minnie" Larberg emigrated 1887, age abt. 16 (I haven't been able to find her full name yet.) Wilhelm Friedrich "William" Larberg emigrated 1888, age abt. 13 (he may have lied about his age) Thank you so much for any help you can give me on this. Marilyn in Ohio

Hi, I have been searching forever (or so it seems) for Francis (or Franz) SALZMANN. His exact d.o.b. is unknown, but I've located him as an adult in New York City in 1888. He's believed to be from Hessen, although Alsace-Lorraine could also be a possibility. Also, Augusta Salzmann, possibly his sister, was married in New York City in 1887 and is believed to have come to this country about 1884. Any information on either person would be so appreciated. Thank you.. Dorothy Colwell paws@nqi.net

Would anyone happen to have the Germans to American information for the year of 1847. If they do could you please look up Mr. Matthais Pfitzenmaier. He was my gggrandfather and I am trying to find out exactly where he landed. I thought it was Philadelphia because is daughter Caroline was born there in 1848 and his son Henry was born there in 1850. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advanced. Sam

>From Germans to America 1875-1888 CD. No spelling of SEITZT on disk. This was the only Ernst. He was the only Seitz on board. There was no Caroline traveling with a Charles on this disk. Passenger's Name: Ernst Seitz Age: 30 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Apr 19, 1881 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: City of New York Manifest ID Number: 80282 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool >From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD. No spelling of SEITZT on disk. This was the only Ernst. He was the only Seitz on board. There was no Caroline traveling with a Charles on this disk. Passenger's Name: Ernst Seitz Age: 27 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Wurtemburg Date of Arrival: May 11, 1866 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Manifest ID Number: 00030275 Port of Embarkation: Glasgow Mode of Travel: Steerage ----- Original Message ----- From: <Grstmll@aol.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 6:01 AM Subject: Arrivals/New York > Hello, > I saw the pot on the Brroklyn List and thought I would take a chance to > see if there are records for the following arriving from Germany. > Ernest Seitzt Father > Charles Seitzt Son > Caroline Seitzt Wife > I am beginning to think they came over in a canoe in the dead of night, > but still have hope. > Thank you in advance, > > Linda Van Deusen-Kintzing > Van Deusen * Watts * McMillan * Kidner * Seitzt * DeLaMatter/Matre >

I'm sorry, but my Germans to America CDs only cover the years 1850 thru 1888. - Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "D_T_Leo" <D_T_Leo@msn.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Looking for arrivals Hi, I am looking for arrivals in 1889 for John Killian, Jane Killian children, Lena, Jo, Rose from Germany to NY. Thank you, D_T_Leo@msn.com

Would anyone know where ships landed prior to going to Castle Garden? My grgrgrandmother arrived in NYC from Ireland supposedly on a ship called Deborah in 1840. Where would that ship have docked? Has anyone on the list done any research on the Deborah? Thanks. Kathy Denmark, Maine

>From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD: Passenger's Name: Wm. Dellen Age: 33 Gender: Male Occupation: New Orlean in United States Date of Arrival: Oct 28, 1863 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Citizen of USA Ship's Name: New York Captain's Name: G. Wenke Manifest ID Number: 00010174 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Cabin >From Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: Passenger's Name: C. Dellen Age: 38 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Sep 7, 1883 Final Destination: Unknown Ship's Name: Waesland Manifest ID Number: 39532 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Traveling With: C. Dellen (2-yr old male) C. Dellen (9-yr old male) J. Dellen (8-yr old male) M. Dellen (6-yr old male) N. Dellen (3-yr old male) P. Dellen (11-yr old male) U. Dellen (10-month old male) I checked several spelling variations with no luck. Also checked the Wuerttemberg Emigration Index CD and received no hits. Could you please tell me what the NY-LI web site is? I would like to obtain the address for it if you have it. Thank you. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Buckfolk@aol.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: German immigrant Sir or ma'am, Saw your e-mail address on the NY-LI web site. Can you check your Castle Garden records to see if a Daniel Dellen came to NYC about 1850? He came from "Prussia", which covered most of Germany at that time, I guess. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Ruth Clark buckfolk@aol.com Poinciana, FL

Hi Barbara, There were no listings for any Hickman or Hinkmann on either of the Germans to America CDs. I checked Hinckman(n), Hinckeman(n) and Hinkeman(n) with no results. The closest I could find in spelling to your guy was a 40-year old Friedrich Hinckelmann who ended up in Illinois on May 24, 1884 with his wife Rosa and their 3 children under the age of 3. It is my understanding that these CD transcriptions cover ships that carried at least 80% German immigrants. You may have to turn your search toward written texts and/or microfilmed passenger lists. Sorry I couldn't help. Sandra in mcgdog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara McRann" <bmcrann@yellowsub.net> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: HINKHAUS Dear Sandra Thank you so very much for your kind help on this Family name. It seems that my brick wall will be standing for a while longer, since there is no town with the name of Hicter in Germany today. I will have to check old maps or different spellings of this name. Could you please check for the name of Fredrick Hinkman or Hinkmann, his pension file shows him under this name. I am not sure why this is so. Thank you again for your help Barbara in Nevada

In a message dated 7/30/02 4:02:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preshtek@gate.net writes: > Sounds good to me too! Sonja

Hello list: I am new to this list. I have been trying to discover the birth city of my Great-Grandfather, CASPER C. BROSIUS for over two years now. All I know is that he came from Germany in either 1887 or 1888. I have had him researched in Germans To America twice, and he is not there. Would some kind soul be able to look up my CASPER in the Castle Gardens records? I would be so grateful for any information on him. Sincerely, Denise _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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In a message dated 7/30/02 4:02:25 PM Central Daylight Time, preshtek@gate.net writes: > > If we don't live near a NARA, will they do the search if we write them a > > letter requesting information? There is someone on another list I belong > to, > > who works at NARA in Atlanta, Georgia and she says she is given searches > to > > do by her supervisor. > > > > Marilyn in Ohio > I've contacted NARA regarding searches for manifests for Castle Garden. Their answer was due to the large numbers of unidexed microfilms, that I would have to either provide them with the exact date of arrival or narrow it down to within one week, in order for them to search. Of course, this was a few years ago. They may have changed their requirements since then. I would also be interested to hear their answer! Take care, Tracy

I'm not sure just how far they'll go, Marilyn. I 'do' know that they have searched for naturalization papers for me within a few year time frame, then sent me 'all' the natz papers they found for the names I submitted and enclosed a bill for $10. Whether or not they do the same for manifests, I can't say. You might want to check out their website at www.nara.gov to see if there's any info on this. Oh, and if they 'will' do this I'm interested as well. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kaesemein@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Date of Closure > In a message dated 07/30/02 2:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > preshtek@gate.net writes: > > << Then we have to pore through reel after reel after reel after reel of > microfilm looking at the manifests of 'every' ship which arrived in > whatever time frame we isolate. I'm too old and my eyes won't allow > for that, even though I have a 'good idea' of the years involved for my > folks. > >> > > > If we don't live near a NARA, will they do the search if we write them a > letter requesting information? There is someone on another list I belong to, > who works at NARA in Atlanta, Georgia and she says she is given searches to > do by her supervisor. > > Marilyn in Ohio > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02

In a message dated 07/30/02 2:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, preshtek@gate.net writes: << Then we have to pore through reel after reel after reel after reel of microfilm looking at the manifests of 'every' ship which arrived in whatever time frame we isolate. I'm too old and my eyes won't allow for that, even though I have a 'good idea' of the years involved for my folks. >> If we don't live near a NARA, will they do the search if we write them a letter requesting information? There is someone on another list I belong to, who works at NARA in Atlanta, Georgia and she says she is given searches to do by her supervisor. Marilyn in Ohio

In a message dated 7/30/02 1:11:55 PM Central Daylight Time, preshtek@gate.net writes: > Ahhhh, now it becomes a bit of a chore, Sonja. > > NARA has the manifest records, BUT, they're not indexed. > > You (and I, heheh) need to narrow down our ancestor's arrival > year through census records, City Directories, family lore/papers, > etc. > > Then we have to pore through reel after reel after reel after reel of > microfilm looking at the manifests of 'every' ship which arrived in > whatever time frame we isolate. I'm too old and my eyes won't allow > for that, even though I have a 'good idea' of the years involved for my > folks. > > Good luck, > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks again, Ron. Sounds discouraging and tedious. Sonja

Ahhhh, now it becomes a bit of a chore, Sonja. NARA has the manifest records, BUT, they're not indexed. You (and I, heheh) need to narrow down our ancestor's arrival year through census records, City Directories, family lore/papers, etc. Then we have to pore through reel after reel after reel after reel of microfilm looking at the manifests of 'every' ship which arrived in whatever time frame we isolate. I'm too old and my eyes won't allow for that, even though I have a 'good idea' of the years involved for my folks. Good luck, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <JKill0343@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Date of Closure > In a message dated 7/30/02 10:51:48 AM Central Daylight Time, > preshtek@gate.net writes: > > > > Castle Garden operated from 8/1/1855 until 4/18/1890. > > The Barge Office took over from 4/19/1890 until 12/31/1891, and > > Ellis Island opened 1/1/1892 until the fire of 6/13/1897. Again the > > Barge Office opened from 6/14/1897 until EI was repaired and re-opened > > on 12/17/1900. EI then continued until 1924. > > > > > > Thank you so much for the informative answer. > > I have another question, however. Do you know where the records of > Immigrants coming into Castle Garden or when the Barge Office took over, > before Ellis Island, would be kept? We have some Immigrants who arrived in > NYC before Ellis Island came about. > > Sonja > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/02

In a message dated 7/30/02 11:06:31 AM Central Daylight Time, Kieffer@pioneer-net.com writes: > Where/When Immigrants Arrived in New York > > Before August 1855 = wharfs of Manhattan > August 1, 1855 - April 18, 1890 = Castle Garden > April 19, 1890 - December 31, 1891 = Barge Office > January 1, 1892 - June 13, 1897 = Ellis Island > June 14, 1897 - December 16, 1900 = Barge Office > December 17, 1900 - 1924 = Ellis Island > > > Happy hunting. > Sandra in Oregon > > > > Thank you, Sandra. This is a great help. Sonja

In a message dated 7/30/02 10:51:48 AM Central Daylight Time, preshtek@gate.net writes: > Castle Garden operated from 8/1/1855 until 4/18/1890. > The Barge Office took over from 4/19/1890 until 12/31/1891, and > Ellis Island opened 1/1/1892 until the fire of 6/13/1897. Again the > Barge Office opened from 6/14/1897 until EI was repaired and re-opened > on 12/17/1900. EI then continued until 1924. > > Thank you so much for the informative answer. I have another question, however. Do you know where the records of Immigrants coming into Castle Garden or when the Barge Office took over, before Ellis Island, would be kept? We have some Immigrants who arrived in NYC before Ellis Island came about. Sonja