Hello, I am looking for the immigration details of a family who left Denmark/Germany. A family member said they arrived at Ellis Island on 30th May 1871, but as Ellis Island didn't open until 1892, I believe they could have arrived at Castle Garden. The family settled in Cook Chicago Illinois. Gulbrand Tellefsen (husband) Christina Maria Tellefsen (wife) Serene Marie Tellefsen (daughter) Paul Christian Tellefsen (son) In other records I have found many different spelling variations for Tellefsen (Tollefsen, Talleifsen are the common variations, the surname "Lund" was used at one stage in Denmark). Is there anyone who could help me with immigration details for this family? Thank you Jenny Victoria Australia

Iam looking for a Helen and her son George Dobson that came over in 1888 from England. They lived in Somerset Co. of England Thank you Robin McIntosh

I have finally learned that my great-grandfather, Michael McGuire, and his older brother, James McGuire, arrived in New York on 29 May 1863 on the W. F. Storm. Is there any way I can find out more information about all of this? Thanks!

I'd be delighted if you are able to find Olaf Bernard Borgerson (Brent Oluf Hansen-baptized name) leaving from Kristiana & perhaps linking up with Hamburg. The years 1880-1884 would be probable. Thanks! Karen

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Thank you for your help. Ruth Krems Zona I Himmelsbach wrote: Ruth, try the www.FamilyHistory.com Message board there was many entries for Henry Durber, Elizabeth and William birth, marriage & death on www.ancestry.com I found nothing on the immigration though. Zona On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:25:30 -0700 (PDT) ruth krems writes: > > Am trying to find ship name and any other info on HENRY DURBUR who > emigrated from England about 1871 with wife Elizabeth, sons > Augustus, Frederick and William and daughter. They may have first > settled in NY or MA. > > Many thanks! > > Ruth > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs

Thank you for your help. Ruth Krems Zona I Himmelsbach wrote:Ruth, try the www.FamilyHistory.com Message board there was many entries for Henry Durber, Elizabeth and William birth, marriage & death on www.ancestry.com I found nothing on the immigration though. Zona On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:25:30 -0700 (PDT) ruth krems writes: > > Am trying to find ship name and any other info on HENRY DURBUR who > emigrated from England about 1871 with wife Elizabeth, sons > Augustus, Frederick and William and daughter. They may have first > settled in NY or MA. > > Many thanks! > > Ruth > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs

Ruth, try the www.FamilyHistory.com Message board there was many entries for Henry Durber, Elizabeth and William birth, marriage & death on www.ancestry.com I found nothing on the immigration though. Zona On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:25:30 -0700 (PDT) ruth krems <jeteryankeelover@yahoo.com> writes: > > Am trying to find ship name and any other info on HENRY DURBUR who > emigrated from England about 1871 with wife Elizabeth, sons > Augustus, Frederick and William and daughter. They may have first > settled in NY or MA. > > Many thanks! > > Ruth > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Sandy, THANK YOU!! so much for the information on my Larbergs. I think they may be the ones I'm looking for!! Thanks again!! Marilyn in Ohio

To Sandra Kieffer and list I am requesting a lookup for the following: I recently became aware of this list. I have looked for information on this relative a couple of years ago when the Ellis Island website came up, but didn't find him listed. This is what we know. William Mosing, b. 1871 probably in Hamburg Germany Relatives say he arrived in America as a 12 year old, in 1883. Others think he came in 1892. He may not have been living in Hamburg when he left for America. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

Am trying to find ship name and any other info on HENRY DURBUR who emigrated from England about 1871 with wife Elizabeth, sons Augustus, Frederick and William and daughter. They may have first settled in NY or MA. Many thanks! Ruth --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs

Hi Katherine, I am going to send you all possibles from the Germans to America 1875-1888 CD. There is one 1883 arrival. Each one was the only MUTH listed on their individual ship's manifests. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Franz Muth Age: 27 Gender: Male Occupation: Peasant Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 29, 1880 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Neckar Manifest ID Number: 35679 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Passenger's Name: Franz Muth Age: 33 Gender: Male Occupation: Brewer Last Residence: Baden Date of Arrival: May 14, 1883 Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Nederland Manifest ID Number: 37322 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Frederick Muth Age: 30 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Dec 20, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: City of Chester Manifest ID Number: 37055 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool & Queenstown Passenger's Name: Friedr. Muth Age: 17 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Sachsenhausen in Germany Date of Arrival: Dec 30, 1884 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Oder Manifest ID Number: 38015 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Passenger's Name: Friedrich Muth Age: 18 Gender: Male Occupation: Cloth Dresser Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Jul 18, 1878 Final Destination: Baltimore Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Braunschweig Captain's Name: Unduetsch Manifest ID Number: 15751 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Lornson" <kdjbl@msn.com> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Muth I am looking for my g grandfather Frank Fredrick Muth who came into the States in 1883. We have not been able to find him in any of the books and am hoping he may be in your cd.I would so much appreciate it if you have the time to look for him. Much thanks to you. Katherine

Hello Denise, I am so sorry you have waited so long for a response to your request. For some reason, my Castle-Garden email is not coming thru to my inbox. I just pulled your message up out of the archives today. This is a summary of the BROSIUS listings on Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: Caroline, 59 yrs, female, Germany to USA, 10 Oct 1881 Catherine, 2 yrs, female, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Clement, 20 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 7 Jun 1880 Elise, 21 yrs, female, Schoeneberg in Germany to USA, 28 Sep 1888 Eva, 4 yrs, female, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Heinr., 23 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 9 Jun 1883 Ignatz, 34 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 8 Jul 1876 Johann, 45 yrs, male, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Johann, 9 yrs, male, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Johanne, 4 months, female, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 John, 27 yrs, male, Germany to Illinois, 29 May 1884 Margarethe, 38 yrs, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Marie, 25 yrs, Burgsteinfurt in Germany to USA, 31 Oct 1884 N., 24 yrs, male, Switzerland to Chicago, 24 Mar 1886 Nicolaus, 7 yrs, male, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Peter, 11 yrs, male, Germany to unknown, 13 Jul 1883 Sophie, 23 yrs, single female, Frankenberg in Hesse, 16 Dec 1885 If you think complete details on someone will help your research, let me know and I will send you the info. Sandra in Oregon .................................................. From: "Denise Hirota" <deniseahirota99@hotmail.com> Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Look-up please/ CASPER C. BROSIUS 1887-1888 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:22:29 +0000 Hello list: I am new to this list. I have been trying to discover the birth city of my Great-Grandfather, CASPER C. BROSIUS for over two years now. All I know is that he came from Germany in either 1887 or 1888. I have had him researched in Germans To America twice, and he is not there. Would some kind soul be able to look up my CASPER in the Castle Gardens records? I would be so grateful for any information on him. Sincerely, Denise

Hi Marilyn, Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. For some reason the mail list messages aren't coming thru my inbox. I just checked the archives for messages today. Hope these help further your search. Good luck. Sandra in Oregon >From Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: Passenger's Name: Carolina Larberg (your Carolina?) Age: 16 Gender: Female Occupation: Unknown Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Jun 6, 1885 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Fulda Manifest ID Number: 38206 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Elise Larberg (your Louisa?) Age: 22 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 22, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Elbe Manifest ID Number: 36632 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Passenger's Name: Heinrich Larberg Age: 16 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Aug 6, 1883 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Amsterdam Manifest ID Number: 39477 Port of Embarkation: Ansterdam Passenger's Name: R. J. Larberg Age: 16 Gender: Female Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 8, 1881 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Ethiopia Manifest ID Number: 60628 Port of Embarkation: Glasgow & Moville Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Wilhelmine Larberg (your Minnie?) Age: 16 Gender: Female Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Jun 7, 1887 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: America Manifest ID Number: 16130 Port of Embarkation: Bremen (NOTE - spelling variation...) Passenger's Name: Friedr. Larbig (your William?) Age: 19 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Apr 11, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Hermann Manifest ID Number: 16075 Port of Embarkation: Bremen ................................................. From: Kaesemein@aol.com Subject: Re: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Re: Looking for arrivals Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:19:21 EDT Hi Sandy, Would you have the time to check your CD to see if my grandmother's 3 sisters and 1 brother are listed? They emigrated from Bramsche, Hannover, Germany before Ellis Island opened. Would the record give the ship name and port of entry? I put the name they went by in parentheses. Margaretha "Louisa" Larberg emigrated 1881, age abt. 22 Carolina Maria Wilhelmina "Lena" Larberg emigrated 1884, age abt. 15 "Minnie" Larberg emigrated 1887, age abt. 16 (I haven't been able to find her full name yet.) Wilhelm Friedrich "William" Larberg emigrated 1888, age abt. 13 (he may have lied about his age) Thank you so much for any help you can give me on this. Marilyn in Ohio

Hi Carl in Long Island NY, Better too many than too few... besides, it might help someone else's search too. As for your passport question... I would assume that until a person changed citizenship (or maybe their passport expired) they would continue to use the one they were originally issued. Good luck. Sandra in Oregon ...................................................... >From Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: (note spelling variants) Passenger's Name: Christine Mattmueller Age: 21 Gender: Female Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 24, 1880 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Schiedam Manifest ID Number: 35677 Port of Embarkation: Rotterdam Passenger's Name: Gottl. Mattmueller Age: 27 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 7, 1883 Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Nuernberg Manifest ID Number: 37308 Port of Embarkation: Bremen & Southampton Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Sophie Mattmueller Age: 31 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Apr 5, 1880 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Mosel Manifest ID Number: 35626 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: A. Mattmuller Age: 18 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 5, 1885 Final Destination: Chicago Ship's Name: Westernland Manifest ID Number: 38417 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Passenger's Name: K. Mattmuller Age: 25 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Malterdingen in Germany Date of Arrival: Jan 16, 1885 Final Destination: New York Ship's Name: Westmoreland Manifest ID Number: 38029 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Passenger's Name: Mash. Mattmuller Age: 22 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Sep 2, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Jan Breydel Manifest ID Number: 36850 Port of Embarkation: Antwerp Passenger's Name: Jacob Matmueller Age: 61 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Sep 23, 1879 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA but not a citizen Ship's Name: Westphalia Captain's Name: Schwenssen Manifest ID Number: 35408 Port of Embarkation: Hamburg & Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling With: Barbara Matmueller, 55-year old wife Rosine Matmueller, 20-year old daughter Friedrich Matmueller, a 4-year old child .................................................. >From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD: (this was unexpected) Passenger's Name: Jacob Mattmueller Age: 28 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: France Date of Arrival: Mar 16, 1852 Final Destination: MO Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Manchester Captain's Name: H. Taylor Manifest ID Number: 00018094 Port of Embarkation: Havre Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling With: Salome Mattmueller, 25-year old female Other Mattmueller listings: Carl, 21 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 21 Jun 1873 Christine, 30 yrs, female, Germany to USA, 21 Jun 1873 Georg, 22 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 13 May 1869 J., 39 yrs, female, US citizen Jacob, 15 yrs, male, Germany to USA, 8 Mar 1867 Jacob, 24 yrs, male, Baden to USA, 11 Feb 1857 Marie, 26 yrs, female, Baden to USA, 20 Apr 1853 Marie, 55 yrs, female, Germany to USA, 21 Jun 1873 Wilh., 21 yrs, male, Baden to USA, 26 Feb (no year) Passenger's Name: Cathr. Mattmuhler Age: 27 Gender: Female Occupation: Spinster Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Mar 14, 1870 Final Destination: United States Ship's Name: Nebraska Port of Embarkation: Liverpool & Queenstown Port of Debarkation: New York Passenger's Name: John Mattmuller Age: 21 Gender: Male Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 7, 1855 Final Destination: United States Ship's Name: Admiral Port of Embarkation: Havre Port of Debarkation: New York Passenger's Name: Matthias Mattmuller Age: 28 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Baden Date of Arrival: Sep 13, 1858 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Othello Captain's Name: J. K. Greenrugh Manifest ID Number: 00009289 Port of Embarkation: Gibraltar Mode of Travel: Steerage .................................................. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheFFs@aol.com> To: <kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Mattmueller/Castle Garden Hi Sandra in Oregon, If I may, can I impose upon you one more time, and the last. My last relative is Sophia Mattmueller who arrived in America before 1880, probably not earlier than 1870 she traveled with her sister Anna Maria. They were born 1861 & 1862 and I do not know if they came alone or with their parents Jacob Mattmueller and his wife Solomea. As always your help is appreciated. Thank you for the web sites that you sent along with the Passport info. One moe passport question, if the person wasn't naturalized or a citizen would they need a passport to leave America? Regards, Carl in Long Island NY

Hello Dorothy, These may be long shots so I included folks I found them traveling with to help you whittle down the odds. Good Luck. Sandra in Oregon .................................................. >From Germans to America 1850-1874 CD: Passenger's Name: Frederic Salzmann Age: 2 Gender: Male Occupation: None Last Residence: Hoppfelder in Germany Date of Arrival: Nov 23, 1863 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: America Captain's Name: H. Wessels Manifest ID Number: 00010189 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling with: ??? Salzmann, 9-month old male infant Elisabeth Salzmann, 28-year old female Henry Salzmann, 33-year old male farmer Wilhelmine Salzmann, 55-year old female Passenger's Name: ??? Reichert Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Born At Sea in Wurtemburg Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Traveling With: Carl Reichert, 21-year old farmer, from Sontheim in Wurtemburg .................................................. >From Germans to America 1875-1888 CD: Passenger's Name: Gottl. Reichert Age: 35 Gender: Male Occupation: Watch Maker Last Residence: Thuringia Date of Arrival: Jun 18, 1881 Final Destination: Unknown Ship's Name: Nuernberg Manifest ID Number: 36119 Port of Embarkation: Bremen No other Reichert's listed on board. No qualifying Salzmann's found on disk. .................................................. >From Wuerttemberg Emigration Index Vol. 1 - 7 CD: Last Name: Reichert First Name: Christian & F (Christian and Family) Birth Date: (not stated) Birth Place: Flein District: Heilbronn Application Date: Feb 1856 Destination: North America Number: 834614 (microfilm number) .................................................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Colwell" <paws@nqi.net> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: "Germans to America" Hello Sandra, I recently subscribed to the Castle Garden mailing list and noticed that you have been very generous in doing lookups in "Germans to America". If it's not too much of an imposition, could you possibly look up two gr-uncles who have been my stumbling blocks for ages? Both came to this country before 1887. Francis (or Franz) SALZMANN, believed to have been born in Alsace-Lorraine but "may" have emigrated from Hessen. He was born around 1860, give or take. I found him as a sponsor at an uncle's baptism in New York City in 1894. His sister (my grandmother) came to this country in 1884, but he wasn't on the same passenger list. Gottfried Christof (or Godefrey Christian) REICHERT, born in Dobel, Wurttemberg on Oct. 19, 1846. He was a witness to his sister's marriage in New York City in 1867, and was also a sponsor at another baptism in 1888, so I know he emigrated sometime in the mid 1860's. If you find any clue to either of these men, I'd be so grateful. Thank you in advance. Dorothy Colwell paws@nqi.net

what was your grandmothers name ! Any birth dates or other family names? I'll look in my programs for you. Linda from Pa. sharplps@mail.alltel.net -----Original Message----- From: crowandheron <crowandheron@pivot.net> To: CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: [CASTLE-GARDEN] Pre Castle Garden? >Would anyone know where ships landed prior to going to Castle Garden? My >grgrgrandmother arrived in NYC from Ireland supposedly on a ship called >Deborah in 1840. > >Where would that ship have docked? Has anyone on the list done any research >on the Deborah? > >Thanks. > >Kathy >Denmark, Maine > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Barbara, I checked the Germans to America CDs covering 1850 thru 1888 and found no name matches near the age brackets you are looking for. The closest I found was a David Werling that was almost 45 years too young. Sorry I couldn't have been of assistance. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara McRann" <bmcrann@yellowsub.net> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Germans to America - Werling - Schmierer Dear Sandra Sorry, I called you Linda in my first request - I have too many Linda's in my life. Germans to America CD - Could I have another look-up please: David Werling, born 1799, Germany Wife: Elisabeth, born 1800, Germany Children: Johannes Friedrich Werling, born 1822 Andries (Andreas) Werling, born 1832 Anna Werling, born 1839 and/or Peter Schmierer, born 1789, Germany Wife: name unknown (died on board ship during the voyage to America) Child: Katharina Schmierer, born 1827, Germany Thanking you in advance for your kind help. Barbara in Nevada

Hi Carl, I'm going to try to cover your questions while including info that may help you in your family research. Sandra in Oregon This site is used for searching Ellis Island records (1892-1924): http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html (I know they were using passports coming through Ellis Island, and since your grandfather disappeared during this time frame... it would be wise to assume that he probably obtained a passport for his journey). The following are sites I use to search other ship passenger lists: http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/index.html http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm http://distantcousin.com/Links/ships/ http://istg.rootsweb.com/ http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html http://khuish.tripod.com/ships.htm Another good place to check is www.archives.gov which is the site for National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). You can click on the search box and choose "genealogy". You will have access to the government microfilmed holdings. Requesting searches and ordering information is fairly simple. Use the link below to go directly to the page for ordering manifests. http://www.nara.gov/research/ordering/ordrfrms.html Here you will find instructions on the form you will need and how to go about sending for the information you want. There is an email link to contact them with questions if you don't find the category you require. Make sure to request the entire ship manifest (if that is what you want... it could get spendy) or you will receive only information pertaining to your requested ancestors. If you just want information on your people, make sure you name every one of them on the order form in case they are not all listed on the same page. (Don't know if "in-person" copying costs less). You can also check out Latter Day Saints info at www.familysearch.org . Overall research sites I like to use: http://www.cyndislist.com/ http://www.genhelp.org/ http://www.gendirectory.com/ http://www.genealogy-quest.com/glossaries/index.html http://www.ancestralfindings.com/cd353.htm http://www.gaeleire.freeservers.com/ http://www.mytrees.com/cgi-bin/genealogy/navf?-1+0+S+English http://loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html ................................................... Sandra, Thanks again, upon cross checking all the ages against their birth dates, everything matched up perfectly. I have a couple of questions, where can I get a copy of the ships transcripts? I know that they have the microfilms at the Nat'l Archives. If I go and look at the films and it's the one I want can it be copied? or can it be ordered? I was planing a visit to the NARA in NY city soon. My other question which I can't seem to get an answer to, My grandfather abandoned the family in Brooklyn, NY after 1896 and before 1906 and returned to Germany. In this time frame would there be a record when he left America, or could he have just got on a ship and left, when did Passports become necessary? Thank you for all your great help, I appreciate it very much. Regards, Carl Friedrich in Long Island NY

The only 1875 arrival was 25-year old Clara Greger. There were no Greger's listed in 1876 or 1877. This was the closest family group I could find to your people from the Germans to America 1875-1888 CD (they were the only 1878 arrivals): Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: August Greger Age: 14 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Apr 29, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen Ship's Name: Donau Captain's Name: Russius Manifest ID Number: 34749 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Bertha Greger Age: 27 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Apr 29, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen Ship's Name: Donau Captain's Name: Russius Manifest ID Number: 34749 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Bertha Greger Age: 9 months Gender: Female Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Apr 29, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen Ship's Name: Donau Captain's Name: Russius Manifest ID Number: 34749 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Juliane Greger Age: 27 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Apr 29, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen Ship's Name: Donau Captain's Name: Russius Manifest ID Number: 34749 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Paul Greger Age: 28 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Apr 29, 1878 Final Destination: USA Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen Ship's Name: Donau Captain's Name: Russius Manifest ID Number: 34749 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Mode of Travel: Steerage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry & Sue LaViers" <hlbp@worldnet.att.net> To: "Sandra Kieffer" <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: Re Ernst Greger from Germany 1875 Sandra- From the NY 1880 census for Buffalo NY and the naturalization papers he came in 1875 with Ernst Greger 25 Johanna 24 Augusta 10 Ernestina 9 Pauline 7 Bertha 5 Wilhemina 1 I hope this enough to finally find his passage. I was disappointed that the naturalization papers did not give the name of town of birth or port of embarkation. Barbara LaViers