With Maureen's blessing, I will be sending through a transcription of a special report from the "Irish-American" newspaper (from New York City) on the 1857 wreck of a ship, Central America.  The paper did *not* give details as to where she was bound when she wrecked.  Also, when the paper was originally microfilmed, portions of the article were cut off.  I apologize for this beforehand.  However, it does make some interesting reading.  After the article (which will come in two parts due to length), lists of survivors and those missing will be sent through. Thank you for your patience, Tracy

I found these 3 Thar families. Maybe they will be of help. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Cathar. Thar Age: 42 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ferd. Thar Age: 51 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Jacob Thar Age: 2 months Gender: Male Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Johann Thar Age: 11 Gender: Male Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Josef Thar Age: 9 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Marg. Thar Age: 4 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Maria Thar Age: 17 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Martha Thar Age: 7 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Wilh. Thar Age: 2 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 9, 1882 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Main Manifest ID Number: 36603 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. Passenger's Name: Alwine Thar Age: 5 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Auguste Thar Age: 50 Gender: Female Occupation: Wife Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Carl Thar Age: 56 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ernst Thar Age: 7 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Friedrich Thar Age: 16 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Ludwig Thar Age: 9 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: May 1, 1888 Final Destination: Ohio Ship's Name: Braunschweig Manifest ID Number: 16184 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. Passenger's Name: Auguste Thar Age: 19 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Prussia Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1886 Final Destination: Baltimore Ship's Name: Hermann Manifest ID Number: 16104 Port of Embarkation: Bremen .................................................. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Linda Kaser" <kaser@oakharbor.net> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:32 PM I'm fairly new to this site. I am researching the Thar family that came from Germany approximately 1880-1885. I am specifically looking for Johann, Mathias, and Ferdinand. I believe Ferdinand is the father of the other two. Where would I find a ships record without an exact arrival date? Thank you in advance. Linda

Hi Marie, This is the closest hit I got to your people. My disks only cover 1850 thru 1888... and they are not all-inclusive. Sorry. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Berhde. Rake Age: 14 Gender: Female Occupation: None Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Sep 6, 1886 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Aller Manifest ID Number: 38833 Port of Embarkation: Bremen ----- Original Message ----- From: <MPound654@aol.com> To: <Kieffer@pioneer-net.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:59 PM You are so kind, Bernadine RAKE, b March 13, 1870 Germany, arrived 1885. Father Joseph, Mother Bernadine. Barbara SCHARLE, b 1871 Baden, arrived 1889, Father Martin, Mother Justine. This is all the information I have. Bernadine went to Ohio, Barbara married in St. Louis. if that is any help. Thank you, Marie in Florida

I could not find your Mr. McGourty on Germans to America CDs 1850-1874 or 1875-1888. Sorry. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMer621130@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:22 PM I have one gentleman for whom I cannot find a passenger list. Patrick McGourty. He was born in 1850 and family lore says he came as 'a young man, about 17'. (Thus 1867). His death certificate would indicate he came in January of 1866. The 1920 census states he immigrated in 1872 and was naturalized in 1876. He married in May of 1880 in Iowa so that gives a definitive end date for possible passenger lists. I have searched the 1872 passenger lists for NY; Jan-May of 1866NY; Jan-June 1867NY; soundexed passenger lists for Boston, Philadelphia with no luck. I would presume he arrived on the east coast as he connected with other McGourty family cousins in Wilkes-Barre before heading west to Iowa. Anyone here with access to CD's? Any ideas, suggestions, help? Thank You, Margaret Merrill

Chiffre Ripinski found in: Passenger and Immigration Lists: New York, 1820-1850 Age: 12 m Gender: U Port of Departure: Glasgow Country of Origin: Deutschland Family Identification: 16298832 Ship Name: Sarah Port of Arrival: New York Date of Arrival: Jul 19, 1850 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 90 also: C. Ripinsky found in: Census Index: U.S. Selected States/Counties, 1870

I'm fairly new to this site. I am researching the Thar family that came from Germany approximately 1880-1885. I am specifically looking for Johann, Mathias, and Ferdinand. I believe Ferdinand is the father of the other two. Where would I find a ships record without an exact arrival date? Thank you in advance. Linda

Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild - Stedinger (Ship) Bremen, Germany to New York 8 May 1855 123 W. Saugel 22 M Taylor Nassau Ohio This isn't who you are looking for, but it's the same last name.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jade/wunderlic... This is a Wunderlich Forum. George is mentioned

Hello, I have been trying to locate C. RYPINSKI. His Declaration of Intention to become a US citizen states he arrived at the port of NEW YORK, in the State of NEW YORK. I have not been able to locate him at the Ellis Island Site. Any help greatly appreciated. He ended up in Burleson County, Texas. Thank you, Carol _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I have one gentleman for whom I cannot find a passenger list. Patrick McGourty. He was born in 1850 and family lore says he came as 'a young man, about 17'. (Thus 1867). His death certificate would indicate he came in January of 1866. The 1920 census states he immigrated in 1872 and was naturalized in 1876. He married in May of 1880 in Iowa so that gives a definitive end date for possible passenger lists. I have searched the 1872 passenger lists for NY; Jan-May of 1866NY; Jan-June 1867NY; soundexed passenger lists for Boston, Philadelphia with no luck. I would presume he arrived on the east coast as he connected with other McGourty family cousins in Wilkes-Barre before heading west to Iowa. Anyone here with access to CD's? Any ideas, suggestions, help? Thank You, Margaret Merrill

Not all people that came over did so as a (paying) passenger. In my research I have come across several ways that people came over without appearing on passenger lists. 1. Stow away 2. Hired on as a sailor , staying behind in the Country of choice. 3. Merchant , sailed with his family on his companies own (freight) ship. 4. Recruited ; shipping companies paid people to find suitable people to work on their ships. Sometimes these recruiters used deceiving methods to trick people into signing on as sailors. Men looking for work were promised a job after they signed a contract and where told to report for work at a certain place . Only then to find out that they were going to sea. The fact that most of these men couldn't read or write didn't matter. Ofcourse after arriving in the first harbor they ran away , and disappeared into the crowd. 5. False names. People changed their names for what ever reason. I am sure there will be more ways of getting across the ocean without appearing on any official document. Peter!!!!!!

Hello Marie, I use these web sites for my research and I purchase CDs with passenger lists on them which I use to do free lookups for people. I could try to locate your young ladies for you on my disks if you can send me their names (and any other info you think would help me to pinpoint them). Sandra in Oregon http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/index.html http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm http://distantcousin.com/Links/ships/ http://istg.rootsweb.com/ http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <MPound654@aol.com> To: <":Kie"@pioneer-net.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:02 PM Please, just tell me how you were able to find the ship records. I have been looking for 2 young ladies for 3 years, and still have not found them. I just have to know how did you do that? Marie in Florida (Mpound654@AOL.com)

Sandra, The list of Wunderlichs did not have my GGfather. BUT another on this list found a directory that listed him in 1878 in Highland Falls as Charles Wunderlich a carpenter. Since my GGGrandfather was a cabinetmaker at WestPoint, I believe this is him. Could you see if you can find a Charles Wunderlich on your passenger discs. Thanks so much...I feel a few bricks falling from the wall after all these yrs. I'm so excited. Betty

Hope we got lucky on your folks. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: Karl Retzke Age: 24 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 29, 1883 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Baltimore Manifest ID Number: 16020 Port of Embarkation: Bremen Passenger's Name: Hemrich Retzke Age: 8 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Oct 29, 1883 Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Baltimore Manifest ID Number: 16020 Port of Embarkation: Bremen RETZKE's also on same ship: Albert, 41 years, male, farmer Auguste, 15 years, female Bertha, 10 years, female Franz, 9 months, male Friedericke, age 41, female, wife Minna, age 4, female Paul, age 3, male Reinhard, age 7, male ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hubbard" <oldgem@attbi.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:15 AM Could some one please look up the names of Karl and or Charles this is the same man we have found him listed both ways and his brother Henry karen oldgem@attbi.com

Jan Krejca found in: New York City, 1600s-1800s Marriage Index FTM CD #239 (I don't have this, but by going to http://loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html one of the lookup volunteers can give you the info from that CD if youi're interested. Just tell them the CD# you've found the name on.)

These are all the given name possibles. Sandra in Oregon Passenger's Name: C. Wundelich Age: 20 Gender: Male Occupation: Manufacturer Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Jun 23, 1852 Final Destination: United States Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Ship's Name: Johanna Elise Captain's Name: H. D. N. Trautmann Manifest ID Number: 00007051 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: C. Wunderlich Age: 22 Gender: Male Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Aug 14, 1854 Final Destination: United States Ship's Name: Margaretha Port of Embarkation: Bremen Port of Debarkation: New York Passenger's Name: C. F. Wunderlich Age: 21 Gender: Male Occupation: Smith Last Residence: Germany Date of Arrival: Mar 9, 1866 Final Destination: New York Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA Manifest ID Number: 00030222 Port of Embarkation: Marseilles Mode of Travel: Steerage ----- Original Message ----- From: <Vbmarcalus@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:03 AM Sandra, The list of Wunderlichs did not have my GGfather. BUT another on this list found a directory that listed him in 1878 in Highland Falls as Charles Wunderlich a carpenter. Since my GGGrandfather was a cabinetmaker at WestPoint, I believe this is him. Could you see if you can find a Charles Wunderlich on your passenger discs. Thanks so much...I feel a few bricks falling from the wall after all these yrs. I'm so excited. Betty

>The list of Wunderlichs did not have my GGfather. BUT another on this list >found a directory that listed him in 1878 in Highland Falls as Charles >Wunderlich a carpenter. Betty , I don't know if you have your families in the 1880 census yet , so here they are (I think these are the right ones) Hope it helps you. Groetjes van Peter........in Okotoks,Alberta,Canada. ================================================================== Census Place: New York, New York, New York Source: FHL Film 1254879 National Archives Film T9-0879 Page 693C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Charles WUNDERLICH Self M M W 48 SAXONY Occ: Picture Framer Fa: SAXONY Mo: SAXONY Henriette WUNDERLICH Wife F M W 40 SUABIA Occ: Keeping House Fa: SUABIA Mo: SUABIA Robert WUNDERLICH Son M S W 17 NY Occ: Framer Fa: SAXONY Mo: SUABIA Julia WUNDERLICH Dau F S W 15 NY Occ: At Home Fa: SAXONY Mo: SUABIA Amalia WUNDERLICH Dau F S W 13 NY Occ: At Home Fa: SAXONY Mo: SUABIA Richard WUNDERLICH Son M S W 9 NY Occ: At School Fa: SAXONY Mo: SUABIA ========================================================

Could some one please look up the names of Karl and or Charles this is the same man we have found him listed both ways and his brother Henry karen oldgem@attbi.com

Hi Sandra, Thanks so much for the lookup for Bernt Andreas BERNTSEN. Unfortunately, none of them are mine. This particular individual has been my mystery man. When I discovered the 1880 date and his declaration to leave for America, well . . . I just hoped I may find him that way. I sure appreciate your time and effort, but the search goes on . . . . Joy

I pulled up the manifest on CD for the ship Wieland arriving in New York on 15 May 1886, and could not find any Krejca's or your Mikolas's. There were no given name matches on similarly spelled surnames on disk. Sorry. Sandra in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: <JKK358@aol.com> To: <CASTLE-GARDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:44 AM Matej Mikolas, born 2 Jan 1823, Castkovice, Southern Bohemia, widower,came to America about May 1886. Supposedly, he came with his daughter Anna and son-in-law Jan Krejca. I have been able to find Jan and his family arriving in New York aboard S.S. Wieland on 15 May 1886but not grandfather. Another ship arrived from Hamburg on the same date. I have not been able to find Grandfather Mikolas on either ship. Can someone send me in the right direction? John Kracha On the road