Hi Don, I'm not currently doing any lookups because I had to go back to work fulltime. I do have two volunteers that can help you and I will cc them....the birthdate from CADI doesn't fit....maybe there will be a social security number on his death certificate and you could order his SS5 for further clarification.....there are no Joseph Hoff listings in CADI that were born in CA in 1870 or anywhere else...what is your source of birthdate? HOFF JOSEPH 08/25/1873 KOUNTZ HOFF M CALIFORNIA STANISLAUS 11/12/1954 81 yrs Add IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT that you visit the online CADI database http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi (or in the case of births http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/birth/search.cgi) and use the "ADD" link at the far right to leave any other information you might have - when you get further details by way of a generous volunteer remember to edit your postem to share as much as you can. This keeps genealogy free and available to all. (The password is something you create so no one can edit your entry). Also, use the Social Security Number which is linked to the SSDI at rootsweb if it appears and leave a message there the same way using the POSTEM link. If you need clarification on any point, please include the previous message in your response. Colleen Norby Rootsweb sponsor ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø ----- Original Message ----- From: DONALD HOFF dhoff@msn.com To: norby@ainet.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: RAOGK Hi Colleen, Could you please do a look up for me? I would like very much to have a copy of the obituary and death certificate for Joseph Hoff. He was born May 14, 1870 in Redding, Shasta County and died November 12, 1954 in Modesto. Best Regards, Don Hoff