HI George and everybody How have you been George? I was sure hoping you would reply. You always seem to have such great answers or ideas to my questions. I didnt even think about looking at the Contra Costa Times, Ill definitely have to check that out. That did have me a bit stumped though, that the trial was n Martinez, when the Dr.s were not.. Wish I could find a city directory for 1963-1964 to look up where the office was located, if you or anyone has a directory could you please look up Dr Joseph SIEFF and Dr Lawrence GIUBINNI, both chiropractors. There were 2 articles about this trial in the Oakland Tribune May 27 & 28th that I could find. But one, the type was a mess so couldnt make heads or tails of most of it. I know there had to be alot more cvered in the newspapers since this was after 8 days of questioning when a mistrial was declared.I also tried putting in both Dr's names and came up with nothing, tried putting in the names with cities, dates all sorts of different ways and still nothing. I did find both died, one in San Leandro i think, the other in Santa Cruz. To answer your other question, it is very possible she worked for the Oakland, San Leandro or Alameda police. She did work for Alameda CountyDA's office and for Clarence SEVERIN, whom I also looked uo and came up with a million items but nothing Ive managed to wade through yet had anything to do with this case or any involving Patricia HUFF. Im thinking that her name may have been SCHWEITZER when and if she did work undercover, as she was only married to Robert HUFF a year or two before this trial. Throughout her adult life she was very friendly with judges, lawyers, and even a certain offical by the name of "Salinger". so did have many contacts within the legal system. She was also the sole owner of International Locating Service out of Alameda for years before she died. I do have a picture of her standing in line in Hayward with other woman who have taken and passed the test to become the first police "woman" either on the Oakland or Hayward Police force. cant remember which one right now. This just seems to incredible to me that she could have been a police woman undercover or not, her life style would not been one of a police officer..She may have used the name Virginia VINCENT, as that was one alias she used in her skp tracing business.Seems equally incredible that if she did work undercover that they would tell her real name in the newspaper. Any help would definitely make my day : ) Ill check out the "Times" and see, good idea thanks George...and anybody else who will please do a look up for me. Thanks, Cris Atwater California - formerly of the Bay Area