Hi Mark, Did you get an answer to your question - I've never ordered a SS5 (yet) but I would think that you would want both - one gives information that the deceased completed on his own when he was younger and just starting to work. It would have his parent's names and his birthdate, all accurate because he completed it. The death certificate will give you information at the time of death, burial location, funeral home which might lead to an obituary naming survivors. It might not have the correct birthdate or parent's names because that information is only as good as the informant - but you might find he served in the military and what is last employment was and how long he had been in CA - all useful information to finding other information. Here's all I know or have saved on the SS5: A very helpful tool for genealogists is using social security records. If you have a relative who was working any time after 1935 they probably had social security.When they applied for their account they had to fill out an application form called an SS-5.The form consisted of: The applicants full name The applicants address The applicants age and birthday Their place of employment Their place of birth The names of his/her parents including his mothers maiden name Their sex Their race The date of application Their signature And for applications before 1947, their employment information, too. Read more about the process at: http://members.aol.com/rechtman/ssafaq.html SOCIAL SECURITY DEATH INDEX go here and print out a letter based on his listing http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi by Brian Bonner Mavrogeorge <bmavrogeorge@palladium.net> The Social Security Death Index (SSDI), an often-used source of information, is more formally known as the index to the Social Security Administration Death Master File. The file is created from Social Security Administration (SSA) payment records and includes for each decedent (if the information is available to the SSA): name, Social Security number (SSN), date of birth, date of death, state where the SSN was issued, ZIP code of the last residence, and ZIP code of where the death benefit was sent. Because the SSA records were not automated until the 1960s, the index only covers deaths since about 1962. It may include a few earlier records, but there hasn't been any concerted effort on the part of the SSA to enter older information. There are many reasons why a person might not be in the SSDI: -- File has an estimated three per cent error rate. -- Person might not have had a Social Security number. -- Information might have been reported incorrectly. -- SSA might not have been notified of the person's death. -- Person might have changed his or her name. -- Person might have used a different spelling of his or her name. -- Person might have died before the SSA put its records on the computer. If you do find someone, the data can provide clues for further research. 1. Surname and given name. Use these to confirm the customary spellings of deceased's names. 2. SSN. Use to confirm that your information is targeted to the right individual, and/or to help establish legal rights to information and benefits. 3. State where SSN was issued. Although not 100% accurate, it can aid in pinpointing where an individual resided at that time and where additional information might be available. 4. Date of birth and death. Use these to confirm, correct, or clarify information. 5. State where the individual died. Use to find additional records and perhaps determine a previous residence. 6. ZIP codes for where the death payment was sent. In 1981 the $255 death payment was restricted to spouses and dependent children only. Sometimes individuals travel to other locations for assisted care or for medical treatment before their deaths. This information can lead to hospital records or other pertinent information. Don't rely just on the SSDI. As a genealogist you want to check the original records whenever possible. Order a copy of the original Social Security number application from the SSA. It will have the applicant's name, complete birth date and place, and often the parents' names. Since several states did not require birth certificates until the early or mid-1900s, the SSN application data could be used in lieu of a birth certificate. The SSDI can point you in the right direction for gathering additional information, including ordering a copy of a death certificate from a state or county vital records office. For example, on a California death certificate you will find: 1. Name of the deceased (could provide new middle names or nicknames). 2. Date of death (could lead to newspaper obituaries). 3. Place of death (often in a different town, county or even state of residence; could lead to searches of city directories, clues to religious affiliations, neighbors, friends, and hospital records). 4. Birth date of deceased (if provided by a relative during the time of mourning, this may be inaccurate, but it could clarify an incomplete family record. 5. Place of birth of deceased (if part of the physician's records, could be accurate). 6. Name of father of deceased (could lead to federal census records for entire family or to a search of other vital records). 7. Place of birth of father of deceased (could lead to further searches of SSA records for the father, federal census searches, or birth record searches for the father in a new locality, or it might give immigrant ancestor's hometown in the old country). 8. Name of mother, including her maiden name (could provide clues to other names on the obituary; could also lead to the same items mentioned in No. 7, plus other records). 9. Place of birth of mother of deceased (see Nos. 7 and 8). 10. Name of spouse of deceased (could lead to a search of marriage records). 11. Whether the spouse is living or deceased (if deceased, could lead to another SSDI search). The information on each state's death certificate varies, but unless the actual record is ordered you won't know. -----Original Message----- From: MASACRBE@aol.com <MASACRBE@aol.com> To: CASANLUI-L@rootsweb.com <CASANLUI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: [CASANLUI] Death certificate vs Social Security? >Which would be better a death certificate or his social security file? What >info does a Ca death certificate have on it? Thanks for all your help Mark >Kurkowski >