Hi everyone: The California Archives are following the law in not releasing the information on those who died & are buried at the old State Hospital Cemetery. I agree this law needs to be ammended (you can view this law at: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html ) Perhaps adding the following as an ammendment to 5328. which reads: All information and records obtained in the course of providing services under Division 4 (commencing with Section 4000), Division 4.1 ( commencing with Section 4400), Division 4.5 (commencing with Section 4500), Division 5 ( commencing with Section 5000), Division 6 (commencing with Section 6000), or Division 7 (commencing with Section 7100), to either voluntary or involuntary reciepients of services shall be confidential. Information and records obtained in the course of providing similar services to either voluntary or involuntary reciepients prior to 1969 shall also be confidential. Information and records shall be disclosed only in any of the following cases: NOTE: There are 19 pages of reasons... It is my recomendation that all interested parties read this law carefully.... Suggest an ammendment be added that will allow the release of information a set number of years after the death of a patient (75 should be sufficient to not be harmful/hurtful for anyone connected to the deceased). This could be achieved quickly by ammending the above paragraph to include: ....to either voluntary or involuntary reciepients of services shall be confidential during the lifetime of the individual recieving such services, and no longer than 75 years after the demise of said individual...... Also suggest an ammendment that will legalize the release of all medical records of any person who recieved services to any descendant who shows proof of death & proof of relationship to said individual for family genetic research. Also, an ammendment that states all death & burial records for individuals who died while under treatment at any state facility, are deemed public information, as mandated by California Health and Safety Code_________. That all death & burial records of any individual recieving services from a state facility, who sucumbs while an inmate of a facility, and is buried in state operated burial grounds, is deemed pubic information under law, and will be made available to the public. This information will include the following information: Date of Death, Reason, Burial plot number, place of burial. Also, an ammendment needs to be made that states that all remains will be cared for as mandated under the California Health and Safety code________. Also, that all above ammendments are retroactive to include any and all records on file in State offices, Archives, etc. for this state. Need to make sure it is the State that will pay for making these available to the public. I am in process of determining how to word the above properly to submit to my local officials (Senate, Congress, Assembly). This is what needs to be done to get the laws ammended to allow for release of burial information, medical information for those needing it, etc. Please feel free to post your suggestions for wording these ammendments.. and to forward this note to any you feel may be of value in getting the above done as soon as possible. Thanks! Marge Campbell http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bickford, Whitehead Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi David, Yes, I would like to email your neice, if possible. We did have an Elmer Bickford in our family too. He had 2 sisters that we know of ; Carrie b 1865 and Bernice Bickford b 1874. Our Elmer Ellsworth Bickford was born in 1863 Michigan and died 1946 in Fairfield, Solano Co., CA. and was married to Rebecca Whitehead b 1862 in ILL., died 1935 in Vallejo, Solano Co., CA. Thank you for your reply, David. If your neice would like to contact us, please have her do so. Mary Bickford at kanemj@pyramid3.net Rockport, Tx.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1 Message Board Post: hello, Sorry this is so lacking in facts. If you think there is a connection, I may be able to refer you to a neice who knows more. My father was married in the nineteen twenties to a women, who I think was a Bickford. She died in circ 1925. She had a brother "Elmer Bickford", He was prob., born 1880-90, died 1957? Yours truly David R Matthews

I have some lookups to do this week, and need to concentrate on the holidays & other pressing matters, so will not be able to do any NEW lookups until January. If you would like a lookup & are willing to wait.. contact me after the first of the year... Thanks Marge I will still be on the lists... so if anyone needs info on how to do the SJ lookups & dcts... let me know Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Scarles, McNeil, Clay,Marshall,Clancey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/686.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Valerie, There are a few more Scarles' still in England and with small exception they all seem to track back to Norfolk,Norwich. I would be interested to know you Scarles ancestors. I have quite a list of my families wing of the Scarles, but your mother having come to Canada since WWII (right?) I have some names coming down to about the beginning of WWII. Also I have contact with a Valerie Scarles in England who has been doing a single name study on Scarles (her husband Ronald Scarles) all the various branches. My mother was Betty B Scarles(born Oakland, Calif.), her father Norman H. B. Scarles(born in New South Wales, Aus.), his father John C. Scarles(born in Birmingham,Eng.) his father Benjamin C. Scarles(this is my gr gr grandfather born in Norfolk) Let me know what I can do to help. Steve

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/686.1 Message Board Post: My mother was a scarles from Norfolk, England and she now lives in Newfoundland canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/899.1.1 Message Board Post: No, I am sorry he is not related to William Heppel Robinson.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROBINSON LETTS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/972 Message Board Post: Looking for William Heppel ROBINSON He was b. 05-22-1813 in Morpeth, Northumberland, England. He lived in Calaveras County for a while before moving to Stockton. Caroline LETTS (b. abt. 1825 in Woodstock, Canada) married him in Zorra, Oxford County, Ontario Province, Canada on 03-01-1845. They had the following children: Mary Elizabeth; Emily J.; William; Joseph A.; Margaret; Caroline J.; Frances G. Hoping to hear from my long lost family! :)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROBINSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/899.1 Message Board Post: Is he related to a William Heppel Robinson? William Heppel Robinson was b. 05-22-1813 in Morpeth, Northumberland, England. He had the following children: Mary Elizabeth; Emily J.; William; Joseph A.; Margaret; Caroline J.; Frances G.

Is there anyone on this list that can do a lookup of obits in Jackson newspaper? I need four obits for a book that I am doing on my family. Tom -- Thomas and Paulette Hilk 1725 Wildwood Ct. Merced, CA. 95340 E-mail address: paulette@elite.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Bright Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/971 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Seymour S White. At the time of his death, 3-31-1956 he was a resident of San Joaquin Co.,California. He is the husband of my great great Aunt Nellie L.(Bright) White. His particulars are: Seymour S. White born 6-11-1874 in Nebraska. Married Nellie L Bright in Johnson,Nebraska. residence in 1913 was St Paul, Minnesota. Moved to California date unknown. Died 3-31-1956 at the age of 81 San Joaquin Co., California. Is there anyone who might have access to the obituaries of the area? We are trying to learn more about his surviving children. Thank you MarvaBrightHanley

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wright, Scott Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/970 Message Board Post: San Jaoquin link is Plummer Wright who operated the bookstore at College of the Pacific in Stockton, 1911. He died Oct. 27, 1930 in San Jaoquin Co. He had a brother John also in California in same time frame, but I'm not sure if John spent much time in San Jaoquin Co., Plummer Wright was born about 1865 in Zanesville, Muskingum Co., OH. Parents were John and Harriett Scott Wright. Will deeply appreciate anything you can tell. Will share anything I may have of interest to you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/969 Message Board Post: Is there some kind soul who could look up an obituary for me? Her name was Ella Long and she died in Stockton on March 30, 1950. She was a wife at one time of John Edgar Long (went just by Ed most of the time). Thank you very much. J.J.

I just recieved this from the State Archives contact, I am waiting to hear from her about the date of this hearing. I will be driving up (if it's not today) and I live in Lodi, CA. If the date is in the next month, would anyone want to attend? I would like a list of those who want to attend, and if you definately plan to go.. (after we get confirmed date). If you are near me in Lodi, willing to carpool in my car.. can take 4 people, possibly 5... let me know. Looks like an all day event... We could bring lunch, or potluck, or McDonalds? Perfect opportunity to voice our concerns on this matter. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troka, Genevieve" <GTroka@ss.ca.gov> To: "'Margie'" <margecam@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Archives Web Form - Stockton State Hospital Cemetery/Burial r ecords Thank you for conveying your concerns about the accessibility of records pertaining to the burial/cremation of state mental hospital patients. We have considered similar requests from some of the people who share your interest in preserving historic cemeteries. Our position has been that access to all > patient records is very strictly limited by Welfare and > Institutions Code section 5328 and a review of the exceptions made to that > code section yields only two possible avenues for bypassing those > restrictions: a court order or an official request from the Senate or > Assembly Rules Committee as part of a legislative investigation. I thought you might be interested in knowing, if you don't already, about an upcoming hearing on this subject being held by a select committee of the State Senate. This would seem like an excellent opportunity to give voice to some of the issues you've raised: SELECT COMMITTEE ON DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND MENTAL HEALTH CHESBRO, Chair 9 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. Napa State Hospital Gymnasium 2100 Napa-Vallejo Highway, Napa SUBJECT: Staff Recruitment and Retention Challenges at Napa State Hospital. SELECT COMMITTEE ON DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND MENTAL HEALTH CHESBRO, Chair 1:30 p.m. to 5 p.m. Napa State Hospital Gymnasium 2100 Napa-Vallejo Highway, Napa SUBJECT: Historical Use of graveyards at State Hospitals and Developmental Centers. > > > > Perhaps one of the outcomes of this hearing will be legislation to clarify existing laws regarding patient and cemetery records as well as draw attention to the condition of historic cemeteries in California. > > > > > > > I hope this information is helpful. Please feel free to > contact > > us > > > again > > > if > > > > we can be of additional assistance. Genevieve Troka California State Archives 1020 "O" Street Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 653-7715 ---------- From: Margie [SMTP:margecam@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:17 PM To: Troka, Genevieve Subject: Re: Archives Web Form - Stockton State Hospital Cemetery/Burial r ecords Unfortunatley, the information is deemed public record.. All who were buried in the State Hospital Cemetery are in a public cemetery, and the records of who is buried there, by law is a public record, and the public must have access. The fact that the State did not keep the records seperate, as they should have done, is not the issue. The issue is that all public cemetery burial information is to be made public. By the information we have, the cemetery (per state officials in 1955) was never abandoned, so is still a public cemetery, containing 3,500 bodies. Someone needs to seperate the public burial information & make it public as the law states. Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troka, Genevieve" <GTroka@ss.ca.gov> To: <margecam@pacbell.net> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: RE: Archives Web Form - Stockton State Hospital Cemetery/Burial r ecords > > > > > Thank you for your recent e-mail requesting information about > > > > records of Stockton State Hospital > > > > patients. > > > > Unfortunately, > we are prohibited by California Welfare and Institutions > > Code > > > > section > > > > 5328 from releasing any information about patients. The code > > > > section does > > > > include some exceptions, but general historical > research is not one > of > > > them. If > > > you > > > > wish to read this > law you can find it on the following web > site: > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html <http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html> > > > The State Archives would like > to see the California Public Records Act and > related laws amended to place a time limit > on access restrictions so that > records about individuals who > are no longer alive would be open to the > public. At this time, however, no such time limit on restrictions exists. > > > > > > > > > I hope this information is helpful. Please feel free to > > contact > > us > > > again > > > if > > > > we can be of additional > assistance. > > Genevieve Troka > California State Archives > 1020 "O" Street > Sacramento, CA 95814 > (916) 653-7715 > > > > ---------- > From: margecam@pacbell.net [SMTP:margecam@pacbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:16 PM > To: State Archives > Subject: Archives Web Form - Stockton State Hospital > Cemetery/Burial records > > Customer's Message ***************************** > I am still working with the State, county & city of Stockton on > getting the burial/death/cemetery records released from the State Hospital > records. > All the above should by now have a copy of a letter written by Mr. > Joseph Holt, who was aware of the dealings that took place to get the zoning > changed on this old cemetery. Joe states in his letter that in a matter of > hours in Judge Buck's chambers, they had successfully removed all 3,500+ > bodies to a common grave. This cemetery has never been abandonded, is a > public cemetery, abused and all but forgotten. Only 1.39 of the original 5 > (5 of 15 acres used as cemetery) cemetery acres is left unimproved. I > continue to get requests for burial information for people who are most > likely buried at the old State Hospital Cemetery on California street in > Stockton. > I requested the records months ago, and was assured someone was > working on it and would get back to me. Really a good time to do this, as I > am off work for now.. so have a bit of time to meet with anyone who would > like to discuss the matter. I live in Lodi, CA & go to Stockton often. > Please Call me on my cell phone (209) 603-0224 and leave a message, > or at home after 3pm at 209/339-4164 (day sleeper). Web address > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/Calif/ > I am working on a State Hospital web page.. it is very basic at > moment, but will improve as I have time to work on it. > The page has photos of the site as it is today. > Please let me know via email or phone what is happening on release > of the death/Burial records that, by law, should be public records. > I am willing to take my own time to make copies of the records, and > am willing to pay for them if need be. I would also be willing to black out > & have your offices inspect the copies, any information not deemed public > cemetery informaiton (basically, any death certificate information is public > record information that most cemeteries get). I would like this information > to be given to Rural Cemetery (due east of the old State Hospital Cemetery > property), with a copy going to the San Joaquin Historical & Genealogical > societies. > I do not intend putting these records on the internet, just want > them in the hands of a public place (Rural Cemetery is perfect), so that > those looking can find them. > Thanks, Marge Campbell > Lodi, CA > ************************************************ > > customer_name -- Margie Campbell > > street_address -- 1414 Vista Dr > > city -- Lodi > > state -- CA > > zip_code -- 95242 > > area_code -- 209 > > telephone_number -- 603-0224 > > where_did_you_hear -- NORCAL mailing list, City of Stockton > > section_liked -- Have not evaluated the site yet > > > > Customer's Web browser - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows > 98). > Form was accessed from Web page http://webdev/archives/archives.htm. >

Hi all If I owe you an obit or dct check in San Joaquin County, CA (Stockton/Lodi) .. please resend it... Thanks Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/968 Message Board Post: I'm trying to locate a cousin of mine per my Grandmothers request. She was born in Shelby ,NC in 1979 .her last known address was San Jose CA .Her name is Brandy Angelique. I'm not sure of her last name. The last we saw her was in 1980. Her mothers name is Carrie or Cary Atchley ( i think Atchley is her maiden name). any info will be greatly appreciated her fathers name is Larry Holland he lives in NC and is my uncle.

Can someone tell me where I might find a copy of the Great Register(s) of San Joaquin County? cheers, Gard Lookin' for Gards and Webbs > > > If there is someone with access to the Great Register of San Joaquin Co. for > the years 1895 and 1896 <snip>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Meeker, Johnson, Everett, Wilson, Hicks Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AY.2ADE/967 Message Board Post: W.F. MEEKER DIES FUNERAL RITES SET HERE FOR SATURDAY Warren F. Meeker, 80, for the past 22 years a resident of Woodland and for ten years an emploee of the City, died 2 o'clock Thursday morning at his home, 1101 Second Street. He had been in failing health for many years. A native of California, Mr. Meeker located here in 1915. He worked for ten years in the city street department under Superintendant george Hazeman, retiring in 1932 because of failing health. he was married 36 years ago, Tulare County, and before locating here, he and his family lived in sevral San Joaquin Valley Communities. Funeral services will be held Saturday afternoon at 2 o'clock from Kraft Brothers Chapel. Burial will be in Woodland Cemetary. In addition to his widow, he is survived by nine children: Warren, LLoyd and Fred of Woodland, Mrs. Laura Everett of Guinda, Mrs. Katherine Johnson of Salinas, Roy Meeker of Santa Rosa, Chester Meeker of Arroyo Grande and Marion Meeker of Berkeley. There are 20 grandchildren and two great grandchildren also surviving. In additon, two sisters survives: Mrs. Dolly Wilson of Hanford and Mrs. Kate Hicks of Fresno.

If there is someone with access to the Great Register of San Joaquin Co. for the years 1895 and 1896 is there are registers for those years, please look up Artemus Warren McWhorter for me? I'm in a small town in Alaska and don't have easy access to these resources. Thanks to anyone who can help me. Ginny

From: "Margie" <margecam@pacbell.net> To: "Phil Van Camp" <pvc@vancamp.org> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: State Hospital Records.. write to Machado > Hi Phil &Listmembers: > I would love to see this bill ammended (California Welfare & Institutions > Code section 5328 .. a copy of is located at: > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html > > If anyone on these CALIF lists has any government contacts other than Mike > Machado (cemetery is in his district), or can help getting an amendment to > the above bill submitted, please let us know. Also email Mike Machado & let > him know. Maybe by letting our own local government know we want the bill > ammended, we can spark some interest. > I have included links to both a bill authored by Peschetti, which has a link > to write him, and a link to Mike Machado's webpage, where you can send him > some feedback. > Both are excellent at responding. Barbara Matthews is another contact.. > but she does not have an email address. > When on Mike Machado's site.. go to the government page (home page) and you > will find her address. Write to her. She also has been nice enough to work > on the old cemetery problem. > > /////// > > Senator Peshetti has an interest in the subject of historical cemeteries & > has written a bill on the subject. He pulled the bill to rewrite it, so > it's never come up. The URL to see this bill to form a Historical Cemetery > Committee is: > > AB 1368 > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1368&sess=CUR&hou > se=B&search_type=email > ab 1368 > > I recieved some emails yesterday saying this bill had been revised. Don't > see where it's been resubmitted, but hoping it will. > > Also Mike Machado's office (Patty is my contact there) is trying to figure > out what they can do to help with the State Hospital Mess. > http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/senator/machado/ > Mike Machado's feedback form. > > I am not sure if he would be willing to help pen amendments to the codes or > not. Seems one needs to be written though. > > I am just a bit upset that the government didn't follow through in the first > place, and make sure the cemetery zoning was reinstated, and that these > records weren't made public to begin with.. I guess the State Hospital > didn't think it was a public institution & that over 4,000 burials didn't > constitute (3,500+ remain) a public cemetery. > > Thanks, and yes I would be willing to help with such an amendment bill. > > Marge > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Van Camp" <pvc@vancamp.org> > To: "Margie" <margecam@pacbell.net>; <CASOLANO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:48 AM > Subject: RE: State Hospital Patient records > > > > Margie et. al. ... > > I've just read the section, skipping thru some of the exceptions for law > > enforcement. > > It seems to me (a cop, not a lawyer) that there are some substantive > points > > we could work with to create an exception for family history research. > > I think we could come up with a reasonable exception that could be > > legislated. > > Do you or any other listers have connections with a legislator who would > be > > sympathetic to introducing a bill ? > > Would any others be willing to cultivate such a connection ? > > If there is sufficient interest in such an effort, could we form an ad hoc > > committee to work on it. > > Possibly using a rootsweb list to co-ordinate the effort ? > > > > Phil pvc@vancamp.org > > . > > > >