http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/cem/Napa/ Oversight Hearing on Historic Use and Current Status of Cemeteries at CA Sate Hospitals & Developmental Centers I just put up a short site on the Napa, CA hearing. I have not had time to transcribe my notes yet.. but wanted the photos up. For those interested in the old cemeteries at the State run instutions.. there are links to several groups with lots of information on how we can help. Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

I am trying to find my REA and HAMMOND cousins in San Joaquin County. My great grand uncle, Clyde W. Rea, had a daughter named Jesse Lucinda Rea, born August 28, 1888 in New Ulm, Brown County, Minnesota. She married Elmer Royal Hammond April 15, 1911 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. They moved to Stockton, California sometime after 1914. I have reason to believe other Rea relatives of Jesse's may have also moved out to the Stockton area. Jesse and Royal had four children, two of which are still living. The two who are deceased were: Roy Hammond, born July 9, 1912 in Minneapolis, and Lois Hammond, born February 26, 1914 in Minneapolis. Lois died in October 1952. Another family of the Stockton area that is somehow connected to my Reas is the Gogna family. Any Gognas in the area may be interested in getting in touch with me, as I have information about your Rea ancestry. Same goes for any Hammonds. Gary

http://www.cnmhc.org/main/index.html http://www.oac.cdlib.org/dynaweb/ead/csa/dmhysosh/@Generic__BookView;cs=defa The above two links will take you to the site for the cemetery project for the State Hospitals. Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

Thank you so much Margie for going to the meeting and reporting to all of us on this project. Margie wrote: > Hi everyone: > I just got home from the Hearing on the state hospital cemeteries that was > held in Napa today.. you all missed a great meeting & a very thoughtfull > memorial service... sorry you couldn't make it. > > There were representatives of several organizations there (including the one > below... I will translate my notes this weekend & give a better report)... > and they showed what can be done, if you have the support of the governments > & the people. There were speakers from all walks of life there.. some had > family who were mental patients, some were the patients... they were brave & > came forward to tell of the treatment they recieved, and how badly the > patients were treated even before they died...very moving. > > Senator Chesbro was very interested in going forward with the California > State Hospital projects... so please support him and the following group... > > John Rodriguez (sorry, probably not spelled correctly) & another state of CA > representative were there.. and promised to work with the Senator & the > cemetery groups to find, extract & share ALL the burial records for the > Hospital patients. The goal is to RESTORE all the cemeteries with full > markers over the years. Support this effort please! > > Below is a note I recieved from one group.. If you are interested in helping > in your area.. call the toll free number and let them know. > Marge > > I am on a coalition of the CNMHC with Protection And Advocacy. The > coalition is attempting to restore Calfornia State hospital cemeteries and > histories. Stockton State Hospital is one of the cemeteries in the Central > Valley area that I am part of to document the history and restore the > cemetery. Your research will be very helpful. Thanks. If you would like > more information on the project you can call 1-800-626-7447 at the > California Network of Mental Health Clients (CNMHC). We will be holding a > legislative hearing at Napa State Hospital today from 1 - 5:30 PM if you can > join us. > URL = http://www.cnmhc.org > NAME = Kathy Trevino > Sacramento CA 95814 > Email = main@cnmhc.com > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 > Iron County MO Web Page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm > Margie Campbell's Original Web Page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ > Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) > > HERMES surname maillist host > > WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Military Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AY.2ADE/977 Message Board Post: The Buffalo Barracks Historical Web Site at [ http://www.buffalonet.org/army/splash.htm ] You can potentially learn some, or all, of the following information about an ancestor: Name, Age, Height, Hair Color, Eye Color, Complexion Type, Birthplace, Prior Civilian Occupation, Unit Assignment, Rank, Desertions, Apprehensions, Reenlistments, Cause of Discharge, Cause of Death and more. For instance: AINSWORTH, Henry http://www.buffalonet.org/army/1336.htm was discharged in California after the Mexican War.

Hi everyone: I just got home from the Hearing on the state hospital cemeteries that was held in Napa today.. you all missed a great meeting & a very thoughtfull memorial service... sorry you couldn't make it. There were representatives of several organizations there (including the one below... I will translate my notes this weekend & give a better report)... and they showed what can be done, if you have the support of the governments & the people. There were speakers from all walks of life there.. some had family who were mental patients, some were the patients... they were brave & came forward to tell of the treatment they recieved, and how badly the patients were treated even before they died...very moving. Senator Chesbro was very interested in going forward with the California State Hospital projects... so please support him and the following group... John Rodriguez (sorry, probably not spelled correctly) & another state of CA representative were there.. and promised to work with the Senator & the cemetery groups to find, extract & share ALL the burial records for the Hospital patients. The goal is to RESTORE all the cemeteries with full markers over the years. Support this effort please! Below is a note I recieved from one group.. If you are interested in helping in your area.. call the toll free number and let them know. Marge I am on a coalition of the CNMHC with Protection And Advocacy. The coalition is attempting to restore Calfornia State hospital cemeteries and histories. Stockton State Hospital is one of the cemeteries in the Central Valley area that I am part of to document the history and restore the cemetery. Your research will be very helpful. Thanks. If you would like more information on the project you can call 1-800-626-7447 at the California Network of Mental Health Clients (CNMHC). We will be holding a legislative hearing at Napa State Hospital today from 1 - 5:30 PM if you can join us. URL = http://www.cnmhc.org NAME = Kathy Trevino Sacramento CA 95814 Email = main@cnmhc.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

I recieved the following from Peggy at SSCDDMH... I am going to call Lori Monday. Marge Thank you for your email to Senator Chesbro regarding the upcoming hearing on 11/16. The hearing begins at 1:30pm. We will first hear from two other states who have undertaken restoration projects, followed by the State Department of Mental Health and the State Department of Developmental Services who will testify about the historic use and current status of California graveyards at these institutions, and finally we will hear from the CA Memorial Project about their efforts to begin restoration efforts in California. If you are unfamilar with this project, you may want to contact them (Lori Sheppard at 1-800-776-5746). Following these witnesses, we will take public testimony, at which time, we would be happy to hear from either or both of you. The Committee would be very interested to learn what you know about Stockton Developmental Center. If you have documentation, you can provide ahead of time, that would be great -- even if its only a bit more detailed description that you could send my by email. Please let me know if you plan on attending and testifying and I'll make sure you get a slot. Peggy Collins, Consultant to the Senate Select Committee on Developmental Disabilities and Mental Health http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sansig, Copeland, Barber Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/976 Message Board Post: I am seeking information about Regina [nee Copeland] Sansig who lived in Acampo, San Joaquin Cty., CA in October 1982 when her grandmother Susie Annie Liza Copeland died at Lodi. Regina was the daughter of L.D. "Pete" Copeland; he was son of Liza Copeland. One of Pete Copeland's siblings--Cora Barber--lived in Lodi in October 1982. Do you know these San Joaquin County families?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sa Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/975 Message Board Post: I am seeking information about Regina [nee Copeland] Sansig who lived in Acampo, San Joaquin Cty., CA in October 1982 when her grandmother Susie Annie Liza Copeland died at Lodi. Regina was the daughter of L.D. "Pete" Copeland; he was son of Liza Copeland. One of Pete Copeland's siblings--Cora Barber--lived in Lodi in October 1982. Do you know these San Joaquin County families?

Gentlefolk of the board, I recently asked of this body about the Great Register of San Joaquin County. The answers I received were even better than I first thought. The Great Register was created because of the registry act of 1866 but didn't start in San Joaquin Co. until 1867. It has been sent to the LDS library for microfilming so all info should be available at Family History Centers. I stopped by the San Joaquin County Library and learned that the register has been indexed but the first couple of volumes have been missing for some time. I was interested in times early on and was allowed to see the original register. This is an originally robust ledger now delicate with age. The records of those who registered were transcribed first by first initial of the last name then roughly chronologically. The first volume runs from 1867 to about 1871. It includes date of registration, birth state or country, age, occupation, township, naturalization and removal. What I learned concerned the following individuals: Charles Gard*, Joel Gard William Gauldan Webb James Webb* Jesse Webb* Thomas Jefferson Webb Alexander Webb* William Webb Isaac Webb* William Webb from Arkansas Samuel Jones Webb All those indicated with * "removed to Merced Co. Oct. 25, 1870". James was the father of Jesse, Thomas, Alex, William, Isaac and Sam. Charles m. James' daughter Nancy and William G. m. James' daughter Violet. William G. was removed at his death and Joel "removed Aug. 24, 1871". All Webbs returned to San Joaquin Co. as seen by James Webb's bio. from his 100th b'day party http://home.pacbell.net/gardm/stkrecrd.htm Charles moved on to Lake co. and Joel, I don't know. I believe the "removed" date was when a note was sent [or received] that the individual had registered in Merced Co. I descend from Charles and Nancy (Webb) Gard so this was good info. It is also another example of how extended families moved as a group. Now, to find the Great Register of Merced Co. and Lake Co. I have more info on most of the above and would enjoy hearing from anyone connected. cheers, Gard http://home.pacbell.net/gardm/gene.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/974 Message Board Post: Burial records for Liberty Cemetery in Liberty, San Joaquin County, California are online at our website: http://www.interment.net/data/us/ca/san_joaquin/liberty.htm There are 414 records in all, compiled by Barbara Filbin. Access is open to everyone. Steve Johnson Interment.net

Hi all I just ran across this site... it is by students in the 4th grade class of a Mrs. Lawson. They are not the first class to work on this project, but they have put up a wonderful webpage about it... Please let Mrs Lawson know you have visited & what you think of the page... http://www.sac-co.k12.ca.us/pleasantgrove/titlepage2.html Pleasant Grove Cemetery in Elk Grove CA.. These children did a lot of research & I just know they will never grow up and topple a gravestone just for fun. Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host ----- Original Message ----- From: <NORCAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NORCAL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: NORCAL-D Digest V01 #645

it would help if they know her name gary lee gleason

Hi all. I'm new here tonight. I was wondering if anyone on this list does DCT lookups? My cousin died in San Joaquin in 1970. Thank you so much! Diane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HELM, FULLER, SHELLEY, LITTLE, MORGAN Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/973 Message Board Post: LAURA BELL FULLER HELM July 3, 1884 to April 17, 1964 THE FRESNO BEE April 1964 OBITUARY MRS. LAURA HELM Funeral services for Mrs. Laura Bell Helm, 79, of Selma will be held at 3 p.m. tomorrow in the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Selma. She died Friday in the Selma District Hospital. A native of Arkansas, Mrs. Helm had lived in Selma 28 years. Her husband, Roscoe, died about six years ago. She is survived by four sons, Melvin, Ernest, Sam and Quim, all of Selma; six daughters, Mrs. Bessie Van Dyke and Mrs.Dorothy Cypert of Selma, Mrs. Ora Whitsett of Van Nuys, Los Angeles County, Mrs. Billie Wilson of Topeka, Kansas, Mrs. Gertie Dierich of Stockton and Mrs. Joann Styles of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; two sisters Mrs. Dona Salmon and Mrs. Laura Harris of Okmulgee; 34 grandchildren and 36 great grandchildren. Burial will be in the Floral Memorial Cemetery in Selma. The Tinkler Mission Chapel is in charge of arrangements. ...................................... Tinkler Mission Chapel, 475 North Broadway, Fresno. Laura Bell Helm - Services Tuesday 3 pm, Second & Sylvia Streets, Selma. Visitation will be held in the Tinkler Mission Chapel, Fresno, until Tuesday at 10 a.m. Thence to Full Gospel Tabernacle Church where she will lie in state until service time. ................................. FUNERAL MEMORIAL: Laura Bell Helm 1884-1964 Funeral Services at Full Gospel Tabernacle Tuesday at 3:00 p.m. April 21, 1964. Officiating Rev. Paul Welch - Penecostal Church of God and Rev. Bill Parks - Full Gospel Tabernacle. Casket Bearers: Bobby Allbritton, Olen McCullar, James Clifton, Bill Helm, Bob Clifton, James Petree. Services concluded at Floral Memorial Park, Selma. .............................. BURIAL: 21 Apr 1964.Floral Memorial Park, Cemetery F, Block A, Lot 5, Space 26 ........................................ FAMILY: Husband: Roscoe Helm b 1887 TX, d 1949 Selma Fresno CA, m abt 1900 Van Buren AR. Children of Laura Bell Fuller & Roscoe Helm: Bessie Helm b 1906 OK, sp Roma Van Dyke Otis Helm b 1908 OK, sp1 May Dye sp2 Iva Harbour Melvin Helm b 1910 OK, sp Dora Luster Ernest Helm b 1913 OK, sp Minnie Rivers Ora Helm b 1914 OK, sp William Whitsett Dortha Helm b 1915 OK, sp Garland Cypert Dessie Helm b 1917 OK, sp1 Louis Harjo, sp2 Charles Wilson Roscoe Helm b 1919 OK, sp Frieda Walker Lon Helm b 1921 Okmulgee Okmulgee OK, d 1972 Selma Fresno CA, m 1939 Hanford Kings CA sp Gladys Norabelle Shelley. Gladys b Brawley Imperial CA. Gertie Meady Helm b 1923 Okmulgee Okmulgee OK. sp1 William James b 1907 AR. sp2 Carl Dierich b 1909 AR. ........................... Father: John Wesley Fuller b 1857 Cherokee AL Mother: Mary Francis Emaline McMurry Fuller b 1860 Cherokee AL Children of John Wesley Fuller & Mary Francis Emaline McMurry (siblings of Laura Bell Fuller): Joseph Hampton Fuller Centre, Cherokee, AL, sp Mary Frances Dilbeck. George Wesley Fuller Centre, Cherokee, AL, sp Etta Lillie Pack. Laura Bell Fuller Helm b Conway, AR, sp Roscoe Helm (of Selma, Fresno County, CA). Cal Donna Leal Fuller Salmon b Conway AR, sp Claude Salmon Pearl Martha Fuller Wonsch b Conway, AR, sp Albert Wonsch Mary Elizabeth Fuller Howard b Conway, AR, sp Iva Howard (of Selma, Fresno County, California) Ora Ann Fuller Harris b Conway, AR, sp John Harris Lena Arvella Fuller b Conway, AR ........................................

Thank you for your reply. We have the information on how to obtain individual records on known persons. I would like the Costa Mesa information just in case someone asks for it. Have contact at Sonoma. Not all records were sent there.. some went to state archives, some to SJChealth dept...from what I recall. We are not looking for one individual. There are over 3,500 unknown persons buried in the old Stockton State Hospital cemetery. The names and information on their death/burials is considered part of the medical records for the state hospital. The law states that all public cemeteries must provide death/burial information to the public. The State of California sold this cemetery property to the American Legion (Karl Ross Post) in 1948... Karl Ross Post could not use the northern most 5 acres for anything but cemetery purposes until ALL bodies had been removed ... in 1955 the land was rezoned for commercial use... in error. A County Planner stopped the rezone & said it was illegal...only someone forgot to reclassify the land cemetery.. instead it was listed as residential/farming. A judge & two other persons with connections to Karl Ross Post, in a matter of a few hours in the judges chambers, managed to move all 3,500 bodies to a common grave.. nice feat, considering they never left the judges chambers. **all the above is documented. What the goal is, is to have the death/burial records for every person buried in the cemetery released. This means that the State will have to seperate (as it should have in the beginning) all this information from the medical records, and then make the cemetery burial records public. If we had the name and death date of every person buried in this old cemetery, we could look up death information.. but as it stands we have nothing, unless a descendant contacts us looking for a specific person. http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Original Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) HERMES surname maillist host WENSTRÖM surname maillist host ----- Original Message ----- From: "B&B Allured" <allured@jps.net> To: "Margie" <margecam@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Stockton State Hospital- Getting the laws ammended > Your message was forwarded to me. I was very successful in obtaining access > to my husband's grandfather's records from l9l5. All of the Stockton > records were transferred to Sonoma and later to Costa Mesa. I telephoned to > Costa Mesa and was told exactly how to obtain information and while very > limited it was sent almost immediately. The staff at Costa Mesa are very > helpful and somewhere in my records I may still have the number to contact. > It may be that the person you are inquiring about was there in the more > recent times where the records still remain confidential. If you would like > me to try to find more info for you, please let me know at allured@jps.net > Betty > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margie <margecam@pacbell.net> > To: SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com <SOCAL-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:19 AM > Subject: Stockton State Hospital- Getting the laws ammended > > > Hi everyone: > > The California Archives are following the law in not releasing the > information on those who died & are buried at the old State Hospital > Cemetery. > I agree this law needs to be ammended (you can view this law at: > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html ) > > Perhaps adding the following as an ammendment to 5328. which reads: > > All information and records obtained in the course of providing services > under Division 4 (commencing with Section 4000), Division 4.1 ( commencing > with Section 4400), Division 4.5 (commencing with Section 4500), Division 5 > ( commencing with Section 5000), Division 6 (commencing with Section 6000), > or Division 7 (commencing with Section 7100), to either voluntary or > involuntary reciepients of services shall be confidential. Information and > records obtained in the course of providing similar services to either > voluntary or involuntary reciepients prior to 1969 shall also be > confidential. Information and records shall be disclosed only in any of the > following cases: > > NOTE: There are 19 pages of reasons... It is my recomendation that all > interested parties read this law carefully.... Suggest an ammendment be > added that will allow the release of information a set number of years after > the death of a patient (75 should be sufficient to not be harmful/hurtful > for anyone connected to the deceased). This could be achieved quickly by > ammending the above paragraph to include: > ....to either voluntary or involuntary reciepients of services shall be > confidential during the lifetime of the individual recieving such services, > and no longer than 75 years after the demise of said individual...... > > Also suggest an ammendment that will legalize the release of all medical > records of any person who recieved services to any descendant who shows > proof of death & proof of relationship to said individual for family genetic > research. > > Also, an ammendment that states all death & burial records for individuals > who died while under treatment at any state facility, are deemed public > information, as mandated by California Health and Safety Code_________. > That all death & burial records of any individual recieving services from a > state facility, who sucumbs while an inmate of a facility, and is buried in > state operated burial grounds, is deemed pubic information under law, and > will be made available to the public. This information will include the > following information: Date of Death, Reason, Burial plot number, place of > burial. > Also, an ammendment needs to be made that states that all remains will be > cared for as mandated under the California Health and Safety code________. > > Also, that all above ammendments are retroactive to include any and all > records on file in State offices, Archives, etc. for this state. Need to > make sure it is the State that will pay for making these available to the > public. > > > I am in process of determining how to word the above properly to submit to > my local officials (Senate, Congress, Assembly). > > This is what needs to be done to get the laws ammended to allow for release > of burial information, medical information for those needing it, etc. > Please feel free to post your suggestions for wording these ammendments.. > and to forward this note to any you feel may be of value in getting the > above done as soon as possible. > > Thanks! > Marge Campbell > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 > Iron County MO Web Page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm > Margie Campbell's Original Web Page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ > Margie Campbell's NEW Site (under construction) > > HERMES surname maillist host > > WENSTRÖM surname maillist host > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bickford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Hi again, sometimes I do get scattered in my research because of the girls, they do keep me hopping. But I do try to make some time for genealogy because I enjoy it so much. I looked in my file again and found the date of death for Ulmer. According to the CA death index he died September 14, 1955 in Alameda County. I haven't had a chance to order his death certificate yet but my grandmother believes he's buried at Park View Cemetery just outside of Stockton along with my great grandmother Lila Bickford Ford Matthews and their parents Charles and Mae Bickford. Kelly

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bickford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Sorry I don't know where my mind is this morning. I intended to put Mahlon's address down too but forgot. Here it is: mcbickford@aol.com I've really enjoyed his newsletters, they're quite informative. Kelly

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bickford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hello, I am the niece that's been researching our Bickford line. And actually the uncle's name was Ulmer, not Elmer. It's rather unusual because he was given two family surnames as his first and middle name; Ulmer Merrill Bickford. He was born 8-18-1884 in Stockton to Charles William Bickford and Mae Estelle (Worth) Bickford. Also born to this couple was Earl Worth Bickford 12- 24-1886 and my great grandmother Lila Mae Bickford 10-17-1893 (both also in Stockton). Ulmer and Earl both married but did not have any biological children. Lila married twice and had a daughter in 1918 by her first husband Joseph Ford (Verna Mae), and then my grandmother Lila in 1925 by second husband Dave S. Matthews. Great grandmother Lila died of toxemia during the birth of my grandmother 11-14-1925. To me it does sound like your Bickford line is different from the one I'm working on but I do have information regarding Charles' parents and siblings. E-mail me if you'd like more information. You might als! o want to send a message to Mahlon Bickford. He puts out a great Bickford newsletter and he might have more information about your line. Regards, Kelly deronkellywells@prodigy.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/963.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello' Got your reply. Ithink the dates of death of your Elmer Bickford and mine, are somewhat far apart. My "uncle" Bick Died about Feb. 1957, I remember my mother informing me about it just as I retuned from over seas army duty. I will forward your adress to my neice. I haven't been in touch with her lately.I don't know how much time she has, to be doing geneology, as she has three little girls. Cheers Dave Matthews