Is there someone on this list that can lookup the obits for Grandville Clifford and Sarah Averll Clifford. This burial date is from the Rural Cemetery book, Grandville, 27 October 1903, Sarah Averll Clifford, 17 October 1893. I would be happy to pay for these obits. Thank you Tom -- Thomas and Paulette Hilk 1725 Wildwood Ct. Merced, CA. 95340 E-mail address: paulette@elite.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/945.1 Message Board Post: You didn't give much information, but I believe that you may be referring to the following family: Children of Harlow HUNTLEY and Roxanna Elmira PARTRIDGE were as follows: 1.Lyman Lysander HUNTLEY, b) 8 Sep 1826 in Pike, Allegany, NY; d) 8 May 1908 Burneyville, San Joaquin, CA. 2.Eliza Jane HUNTLEY, b)13 Apr 1828, Allegany, NY; d)13 Feb 1911 in Oakdale, Stanislaus, CA. 3.Roxanna Elmira HUNTLEY, b) 20 Feb 1830 OH; d) 9 Oct 1921 Chewelah, Stevens, WA 4.Martin Van Buren HUNTLEY, b)16 Jan 1832, Erie, PA d)16 Jan 1926 in Hadley, Pike, IL 5.Laura Ann HUNTLEY, b)16 Mar 1834 OH; d)17 Oct 1922 in CA. 6.Solon Amos HUNTLEY, b)30 Aug 1836 inAshtabula, OH d) 17 Dec 1910 in Hadley, Pike, IL 7.John Loren HUNTLEY, b) 5 Jul 1838 OH; b) in Barry, Pike, IL.. 8.William Harrison HUNTLEY, b)3 Aug 1840 in PA; d) 6 Apr 1862. Killed in Service at The Battle of Shiloh at Pittsburg Landing. 9.Julia May HUNTLEY, b)28 Jun 1842; d)11 Jan 1927 in Barry, Pike, IL. 10.Martha Ann HUNTLEY, b)14 Sep 1844 in IL. d) 9 Feb 1924 in Barry, Pike, IL. 11.Pardee Loveland HUNTLEY, b) 14 Nov 1846 in Pike Co.,IL. d) aft Jan 1927. 12.Harriet Marilla HUNTLEY, b)24 May 1848 in IL; d) 24 May 1863 in Pike Co., IL. I am descended from Lyman Lysander Huntley. I hope this has helped you. Sincerely, Laura

I am looking for information on Grandvill Clifford. He was a photographer in Stockton probably in the 1870 +. I am interested in finding out what happened to his wife Sarah she was first married to Alvin Fisher. Tom -- Thomas and Paulette Hilk 1725 Wildwood Ct. Merced, CA. 95340 E-mail address: paulette@elite.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Teves Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1048 Message Board Post: Joseph and Anna came from Sao Miguel and immigrated to Hawaii in the 1800's. They had 14 children, one of them was my grandma's father Joseph. I also know a few of Jospeh's brothers (George, Charles, Jason, Antone). Some of the 14 children came to California including Joseph, Charles and George (Jason I know stayed in HI and married Belle and had 2 children-Yvonne and Nona Belle). Contact me if you have any links. We just had our first reunion with some of Joseph and Antones decendents, next year we want to get decendents of all 14 brothers and sisters. Please e-mail me!

Will have to find out if the hearings are open to the public. I plan to attend if they are. Please let all your government bodies know your position on this bill. There are links below to the government sites, as well as to a transcript of the bill as it reads to date. Marge in Lodi, CA CURRENT BILL STATUS MEASURE : S.B. No. 1448 AUTHOR(S) : Chesbro, Perata, Romero, and Scott (Coauthors: Senators Kuehl and Machado) (Coauthors: Assembly Members Aroner, Ashburn, Bates, Longville, and Strom-Martin). TOPIC : Deceased residents of state hospitals and developmental centers. HOUSE LOCATION : ASM +LAST AMENDED DATE : 04/10/2002 TYPE OF BILL : Active Non-Urgency Non-Appropriations Majority Vote Required Non-State-Mandated Local Program Fiscal Non-Tax Levy LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 05/28/2002 LAST HIST. ACTION : To Com. on HEALTH. COMM. LOCATION : ASM HEALTH HEARING DATE : 06/18/2002 TITLE : An act relating to state hospitals and developmental centers. -----Original Message----- From: comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov [mailto:comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 3:42 AM To: MARGECAM@ATTBI.COM Subject: OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA BILL INFORMATION Date and Time of Update: Tue Jun 4 3:00:56 US/Pacific 2002 Legislative action has occurred on bill(s) you have subscribed to through the California Legislative Counsel's web site (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov) or the California State Senate's web site (http://www.sen.ca.gov). You can link to the Bill Documents page or to the specific page of information that has been updated. If you cannot link from this E-mail message, you can enter the URL on your Internet Browser. SB 1448 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1448&sess=CUR&ho use=B&search_type=email HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020528_h istory.html STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020603_s tatus.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1043.1 Message Board Post: I should like to clarify my questions on marriage index availability. I am not asking for someone to look up a marriage. I am asking if the index is public and if a marriage certificate can be obtained when the applicant is not directly related. I should appreciate any help on these questions.

Hi Marc, The El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission (EDCPCC) website is now online. It may be accessed at this URL: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/eldorado1/. There is already a separate cemetery page for Cold Springs Cemetery if you would like to list it separately from the GenWeb site. That URL is: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/eldorado1/Cold_Springs.htm. I'm kind of new at this, so I hope these will work. If not, please let me know. I will keep you updated as other cemetery pages are uploaded to the site. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks! Sue

Judie Cook has asked for more information on this Bill. According to the previously amended language for SB 1614: "This bill would require the comprehensive index described above, and birth and death record indices prepared or maintained by local registrars and county recorders, to be kept confidential, except that these indices may be disclosed to government agencies as prescribed by law. This bill would exempt these indices from disclosure under the California Public Records Act. This bill would prohibit a government agency from selling or releasing these indices except as authorized by law. This bill would also prohibit specified entities and individuals from releasing any of the information contained in a comprehensive index purchased from the State Registrar prior to December 31, 2001, to a 3rd party. This bill would authorize the department to assess an unspecified civil penalty to enforce this provision against individuals and other specified entities. "This bill would require, on or before an unspecified date, the State Registrar to establish separate noncomprehensive electronic indices of all California birth and death records and make the indices continuously, electronically available to county recorders' offices statewide. "This bill would require the noncomprehensive indices to be available at the State Registrar's office and in county recorders' offices for public inspection and viewing only at computer terminals designated for this purpose , by individuals who have signed a standard form certifying, under penalty of perjury, that the information they view will not be used for criminal purposes. By expanding the scope of the crime of perjury, and by increasing the duties of local officials, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. "The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement, including the creation of a State Mandates Claims Fund to pay the costs of mandates that do not exceed $1,000,000 statewide and other procedures for claims whose statewide costs exceed $1,000,000. "This bill would provide that with regard to certain mandates no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. "With regard to any other mandates, this bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs so mandated by the state, reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to the statutory provisions noted above. "Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: yes." As amended on May 30, 2002, SB 1614 has been reduced to the following: "SB 1614, as amended, Speier. Public records: vital statistics. "Existing law requires the Director of Health Services, as the State Registrar of Vital Statistics, to administer the registration of births, deaths, fetal deaths, and marriages. Existing law requires the State Registrar to arrange and permanently preserve the certificates in a systematic manner and to prepare and maintain a comprehensive and continuous index of all certificates registered. "This bill would declare the intent of Legislature to enact legislation to protect the confidentiality of birth and death record indices. "Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: no . State-mandated local program: no. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. It is the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation to protect the confidentiality of birth and death record indices." Margie Campbell of San Joaquin County commented that it was probably a combination of Senator Speier and others receiving opposition correspondence and the present state of California's budget deficit and further impending financial woes. While this might be true, the fact that the Bill was not pulled entirely by Senator Speier tends to make me believe, as Phil VanCamp noted to me, that we need continue to be vigilant. If not, they could slip this through packaged with something else that would pass before we know it. As I said, for the work that we do we use the vital statistics information to identify any family members who may be buried in unmarked graves in our over 200 historic cemeteries. The information often gives us another clue as to how to contact family descendants to advise them of the condition of the cemetery where their loved ones are at rest. In many respects, we have acted as ex-officio family genealogists for hundreds of our county's pioneer residents. PLEASE don't contact me with genealogy requests, the other half of our battle is to protect the unmarked graves in the cemeteries from being desecrated by current interments AND convincing our county of the vested (prescriptive) PUBLIC title to the vast majority of the cemeteries. We have recently received a free website hosted by US GenNet and will be producing pages about what is happening in our county. It is not a pretty tale... IF you have a genealogy inquiry, please us the US GenWeb site for El Dorado County. We frequently check those postings and respond with whatever information we may have. Let's stay vigilant on this access to public vital statistics. The internet is a valuable and powerful tool to use in order for our voices to be heard. Sue Silver El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission

Greetings, SB 1614 which would have severely restricted access to birth and death records in California, appears to have to have been amended by Senator Jackie Speier. A brief review leads me to believe that Senator Speier may have received a large number of comments in opposition. To review the new text, go to: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1614&sess=CUR&house=B&search_type=email It is important for genealogists everywhere to keep your eyes and ears open for potential future changes to this bill or the introduction of additional proposed legislation that may act to restrict access to public records. While I personally can understand the desire to stop identity theft, and I acknowledge that our new War on Terrorism may be dependent on stopping people who will steal the identities of others to commit egregious acts against our country and citizens, we cannot allow the acts of a few criminals to cause us the loss of freedom to these important documents of the past. If there are any professional genealogists out there who may have a reasonable solution the state could use to help prevent identity theft, I would hope you might contact Senator Speier's office and offer your recommendations or suggestions. Those who work at this craft by profession are going to be the ones who, by far, have the most vast and varied experiences that would lend itself to understanding the obstacles created by lack of record availability. Thanks to anyone who sent responses as a result of my last email. I have to believe we all made a difference. Sue Silver El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission

Please go to the following web page and let the Committee on Health know that you support the saving of State Hospital Cemeteries, which SB 1448 covers. This bill has been sent to the Committe on Health for review. http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/newcomframeset.asp?committee=10 Committee on Health You will find email links for all committee members. The following link will take you to information on the bill itself http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020528_s tatus.html Please help bring a bit of dignity to those who were never shown any! Marge Campbell Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carroll Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AY.2ADE/730.1 Message Board Post: I too have a brother duo of Michael & James Carroll in my roots. James 1850-1928....Michael 1842-1917.They were the children of John Carroll 1811-1884 & Mary Jane Macneil. John & his sibling were born in Ireland to James Carroll & Mary ??This is why it is so hard to trace roots....... They lived in Lochaber, Antigonish County, Nova Scotia Canada.

Hello, Senate Bill 1448 recently passed a Senate vote and has been forwarded to the State Assembly for concurrence. SB 1448 will create a Task Force to assist organizations that serve developmentally challenged individuals to research and restore cemeteries on state hospital grounds or developmental center grounds. The people doing the work are volunteers, like many of us in the cemetery preservation field. I am writing to tell you that Senator Rico Oller voted against this Bill when it came before the full Senate for a vote. I am dismayed that Senator Oller would vote this way because I have for many years notified him of the many problems our county's historic cemeteries are suffering. If you could see the condition of the Stockton State Hospital (aka Stockton State Asylum) Cemetery, you would be absolutely appalled. Some graves were relocated but about five acres of graves remain in what appears to be simply a vacant field. On some portions, buildings have been constructed over graves, and elsewhere the location of graves is not known. I hope you will let Senator Oller know that you do not appreciate his voting No on an issue that merely speaks to the care and respect of the deceased who once were wards of the State of California through no fault of their own. It is shameful what has happened at the Stockton cemetery and elsewhere. You may contact Senator Oller via email at: mailto:Senator.Oller@sen.ca.gov Please let him know you feel preservation of California's historic cemeteries is an absolute must for a civilized state. Thank you, Sue Silver, President El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation ssilver1951@jps.net Member, California Historic Cemeteries Alliance

Hello everyone, Here is the shortcut to the Senate Bill 1614. http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1614&sess=CUR&house > =B&site=sen I have briefly reviewed the bill, as amended, and the analyses, and I believe that it is important to raise your object to your state representatives in the Senate and the Assembly NOW. If you don't know who they are, for the Assembly go to http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset9text.htm and look it up. The full Assembly member directory is at http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset7text.htm. The Senate directory is at http://www.sen.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp. The committee that will hear this on May 23, is comprised of the following: Senate Appropriations Committee meets every Monday at 9:30 am in Room 4203. JURISDICTION: Bills that are subject to Joint Rule 10.5 and are not referred to the Budget and Fiscal Review Committee. Bills that constitute a state-mandated local program. Members: Senator Dede Alpert (Chair) Senator Jim Battin (Vice Chair) Senator Debra Bowen Senator John Burton Senator Martha Escutia Senator Maurice Johannessen Senator Ross Johnson Senator Betty Karnette Senator Bruce McPherson Senator Kevin Murray Senator Don Perata Senator Charles Poochigian Senator Jackie Speier Addresses & Staff: Staff Director: Karen French Deputy Director: Anne Maitland Consultants: Maureen Brooks, George Cate, Bob Franzoia, Miriam Barcellona Ingeni to, Nora Lynn, and Lisa Matocq Assistant: Sally Ann Romo Phone: (916) 445-3284, Room 2206 This Bill must be STOPPED. While I understand the concern about stolen identities, the loss of information will devastate the genealogical momemtum that has been generated since the Internet became such a valuable tool. In my work, it will prevent us from tracking family members that may be buried in unmarked graves in our historic cemeteries that are still being used without maps or records, placing those graves at risk of obliteration. Send an Email to the Chair of this committee at senator.alpert@sen.ca.gov, under Subject: SB 1614 OPPOSE, addressed as: Honorable Dede Alpert, Chair Senate Appropriations Committee Tell the chair that you oppose SB 1614 because it hurts the majority of the people because of the actions of a few criminals. Explain the value of this information to the millions of genealogists worldwide who are attempting to reconnect with their ancestors of the past. Word your opposition firmly, but politely. Copy of your email to Senator Jackie Speier at senator.speier@sen.ca.gov, and copy both your state senator and assemblyman. If you value the access you've had to birth and death records in California (despite the delays you might have experienced), picture your life knowing you will have to physically go to Sacramento or the recorders office of the county where the record is on file. Senator Speier's bill is a knee jerk reaction to Sept. 11th and allows the actions of a few criminals to take away our freedom to access this information. Sue Silver, President El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation ssilver1951@jps.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Campbell" <margecam@pacbell.net> To: <CASACRAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: [CASacramento] RE: SB1614- Restricton of vital records in CA-corrected link > http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1614&sess=CUR&house > =B&site=sen > > - > link to the bill site. > http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1614_cfa_20020508_12073 > 3_sen_comm.html >

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1614&sess=CUR&house =B&site=sen - link to the bill site. http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1614_cfa_20020508_12073 3_sen_comm.html Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

I am sending this link to the actual bill as ammended last week. Please take time to read this proposed ammendment to the existing legislation completey. If you think this is just a bill for CALIF., remember that once a State takes the initiative to pass this kind of legislation, other states will soon follow. It won't be impossible to get information, but it won't be easy either. Marge link to the bill site. http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1614_cfa_20020508_12073 3_sen_comm.html Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

The Lay Family Genealogical Association Meeting Will hold it's bi-annual meeting June 21-23, 2002 Place: Holiday Inn North, Lexington Kentucky. The Holiday Inn North, 1950 Newtown Pike 40501, is located on the North side of the city next to I-64/I-75. Cost for Holiday Inn North $75.95 Per Night + Tax-(Currently 12.35% ). You must call the hotel directly to receive the negotiated price (1-859-233-0512.) The LFGA has 135+ members from all across the continental U. S., Hawaii and Canada. There will be a dinner speaker Sat June 22. Reservations for the dinner must be received by June 17, 2002. Cost for the dinner will be $30.00 per individual. Dinner reservations should be sent to: Gordon Sloan R. Rt. 1 Box 790 Willcox, AZ. 85643 We urge all interested in Lay, Leigh, Ley, Loy, Leh, ect Families to plan to attend this genealogical meeting. Our members have individual genealogical databases to access. The LFGA also has 70+ family lines which is maintained by our archivest. Anyone interested in more information can contact: Gerald Lay 671 LickFork Lane Pioneer, Tennessee 37847. 1-423-784-8557 email - slim@jellico.net slim@jellico.com The LFGA was organized in 1995 at Caryville Tennessee by ( 7 ) seven Lay descendants At it's second meeting the following year we gained our 100th member. We currently have about 135 members from all across the continental U. S. Plus Hawaii and Canada. Membership is open to anyone worldwide who has interest in the various spelled Lay Families. Visit our website at: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/8896 MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL!! Gerald Lay Lay Family Genealogical Association www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/8896

Hi... Lucas called and left a message today... he is with one of the groups that helped get the hearing at Napa State Hospital held. I have emailed him some information on the owners of the property, and will try to contact the owners tomorrow to get permission to errect a sign on the site. Then my next goal is to find out if my brother (works for Home Depot), can help me get the needed supplies. I will then hit up the students at Delta College to design & paint the sign. I feel that if the sign contains the Name of the Cemetery, a map of the original cemetery location & at least one contact persons name (hoping for Lucas as well), then perhaps the remainder will be saved. I have recieved nothing but support from all of the online list people, and I thank you all for your interest... and also have gotten a lot of support from business/social contacts on this subject. Since the original cemetery was abandonded (moved) to this site about 1875-76, the number of those still interred may be even higher than 3,500. I have not located documentation on exactly how many, if any of the original 1,600 persons moved are included in the 3,500+ number. Also, a clean up will probably be done... I will leave it to Lucas & his group, unless he asks me for help. I will keep the CA lists informed as events happen. And also, I am working on the webpage as often as I can... (my personal pages are also begging for help...hehe).. but have to get through finals first... Marge

Hi Everyone: This is just an update on my little adventure with the saga of the Stockton State Hospital Cemetery. I went to SJcounty Assessors office and found someone who walked me through locating the property owners. I am going to send a certified letter to the group who owns the property tomorrow. I will ask permission to errect a sign on the property. I will also ask to meet with the owner representative to speak to them about the history of the property. There may be a way for the owners to force the hand of local government to explain how someone could get a clear title on a cemetery property. Also, I received the following note the other day: ***** Hello Margie, My name is Lucas and I am doing research on the Stockton State Asylum Cemetery. I read your postings in CA_CEMETERIES-L Archives and it seems like you have quite a bit of knowledge + experience. My question: 1) who owns the property today? 2) is there a list of names of all buried there? Any help you can give me I would very much appreciate it. Ihope this e-mail reaches you! Thank you, Lucas.. Lucas Campos [Lucas.Campos@pai-ca.org] ***** I wrote back, but have yet to hear from Lucas. I want to know why & who of his research. Does anyone recognize him? Marge Campbell finals almost done... two out of three not bad... ouch! Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BUFORD, STORZ, WEIGT, KAY, BUTTELL, BUNCH Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1046 Message Board Post: Esther Wilhelmina (Storz) Buford Esther Wilhelmina (Storz) Buford died from a complication following a stroke in Woodland Monday, May 6, 2002, at age 77. Born Jan. 7, 1925, in Lodi, Mrs. Buford was the daughter of the late Carl and Louisa Johanna Storz. She graduated from Lodi High School in 1942, and retired from the County of Sacramento Department of Public Works after 23 years of dedicated service. Her passions in life were her family and friends, the color purple and the San Francisco Giants. Mrs. Buford is survived by her daughter and son-in-law, Jean and Gerald Weigt of Winters; and numerous nieces; nephews and cousins. She was preceded in death by her daughter, Jenifer Kay; sisters, Ilene Buttell and Ruby Bunch; and brother, Donald Storz. Services are scheduled for 10 a.m., Friday, May 10, at St. Peter Lutheran Church, 2400 Oxford Way, Lodi. Entombment will be private. The family requests memorials be directed to American Cancer Society; Yolo Hospice, P.O. Box 1014, Davis, 95617; or the charity of the donor's choice. Cherokee Memorial Funeral Home is assisting the family with arrangements. (Obituary from the "The Daily Democrat," Wednesday, May 08, 2002, (Woodland, Yolo County, California). Submitted with the permission of the "The Daily Democrat," 711 Main St., Woodland, CA 95695. Please note: I am not related to the family listed above, and I do not have any further information on this family.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Weber Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AY.2ADE/1018.2 Message Board Post: Vern: I notice that you have an jpg picture of Charles M Weber - #4 Charles M Weber was my grandmothers uncle. I have pitures of his home, but would love a picture of him. You can contact me at jds7@attbi.com Jan Smith