This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1051 Message Board Post: Am trying to find my mother's uncle, Orren McKee. He lived in Lodi many years, raising his family. Was married to Verna France McKee, maiden name, Gaelick, who passed away Selpt 24, 1990. They had 4 childern Howard, Robert who I found in Roots Web to have died Oct 27, 1988, Donald & Maxine. He was a painting contractor in Lodi, know he painted the library. Was also a Mason. Died in his own home where he lived alone in Lodi. Can not find his death notice, but feel he must have died around 1958 or so. Any information I would be happy to hear.

Hi everyone... Here is an update on SB 1448, which is the bill that has to do with state run institution cemetery & death recordkeeping. You will find links to the updates below... and a list of who voted, please take a moment to thank them. Marge Campbell CURRENT BILL STATUS MEASURE : S.B. No. 1448 AUTHOR(S) : Chesbro, Perata, Romero, and Scott (Coauthors: Senators Kuehl and Machado) (Coauthors: Assembly Members Aroner, Ashburn, Bates, Longville, and Strom-Martin). TOPIC : Deceased residents of state hospitals and developmental centers. HOUSE LOCATION : ASM +LAST AMENDED DATE : 06/10/2002 TYPE OF BILL : Active Non-Urgency Non-Appropriations Majority Vote Required Non-State-Mandated Local Program Fiscal Non-Tax Levy LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 06/10/2002 LAST HIST. ACTION : From committee with author's amendments. Read second time. Amended. Re-referred to committee. COMM. LOCATION : ASM HEALTH COMM. ACTION DATE : 06/18/2002 COMM. ACTION : Do pass as amended and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations. COMM. VOTE SUMMARY : Ayes: 15 Noes: 02 PASS TITLE : An act to add Section 4015 to the Welfare and Institutions Code, relating to state hospitals and developmental centers. ********** VOTES - ROLL CALL MEASURE: SB 1448 AUTHOR: Chesbro TOPIC: Deceased residents of state hospitals and dev DATE: 06/18/2002 LOCATION: ASM. HEALTH MOTION: Do pass as amended and be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations. (AYES 15. NOES 2.) (PASS) AYES **** Thomson Robert Pacheco Bates Chan Chavez Cohn Dickerson Frommer Goldberg Koretz Negrete McLeod Salinas Strom-Martin Washington Wayne NOES **** Aanestad Zettel ABSENT, ABSTAINING, OR NOT VOTING ********************************* Richman Runner *************************** Legislative action has occurred on bill(s) you have subscribed to through the California Legislative Counsel's web site (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov) or the California State Senate's web site (http://www.sen.ca.gov). You can link to the Bill Documents page or to the specific page of information that has been updated. If you cannot link from this E-mail message, you can enter the URL on your Internet Browser. SB 1448 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1448&sess=CUR&ho use=B&search_type=email HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020610_h istory.html STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020619_s tatus.html VOTES http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_vote_20020618_0 00002_asm_comm.html ************************************* Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

Hello, I have been watching the progress of Senate Bill 1952 because a portion of it was a reaction to what had occurred in Georgia at the crematory where the owner stacked and stored bodies rather than perform the service he was paid to perform. As originally written SB 1952 would have allowed the Dept. of Consumer Affairs Cemetery and Funeral Bureau to review whether there was also a need to regulate cemetery and funeral salespersons of religious corporations or entities - a group that has historically been with ANY regulation in California. In my opinion, after six years of researching cemeteries and cemetery operators in California, oversight of these entities would have been a good thing. Today's notice of an amendment shows me that this Bill has been all but completely gutted. It has been reduced to nothing more than a lip service bill and was probably heavily fought by those in the cemetery industry. Once again, California is going to miss the boat and consumers will pay for it. Perhaps not in dollar losses, but in terms of not having the peace of mind that those who they put their trust in (funeral directors and cemetery operators) will face no regulation and no penalties if they choose to underperform or worse. I am including the text of the amended bill. I will be writing to the authors as well as my state representatives. If you feel it's time to take this industry to task so that those who would defile or desecrate the dead will be held accountable, I would ask that you do the same. Those not interested, please ignore this posting. Sue Silver El Dorado County, CA **************************************************************** BILL NUMBER: SB 1952 AMENDED BILL TEXT AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY JUNE 18, 2002 AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 2, 2002 INTRODUCED BY Senator Figueroa (Coauthors: Senators Johannessen and Polanco) (Coauthors: Assembly Members Aanestad, Correa, and Thomson) FEBRUARY 22, 2002 An act to amend Sections 144, 473.1, 9663, 9731, 9747, 9765, and 9786 of, and to add Sections 7612, 7746, 9610, 9750.5, 9764.1, and 9764.2 to, the Business and Professions Code, relating to professions and vocations. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST SB 1952, as amended, Figueroa. Cemetery and Funeral Bureau. Existing law creates a Joint Legislative Sunset Review Committee and authorizes it to review and evaluate various boards and commissions having duties and responsibilities relating to professions and occupations. This bill would provide for the committee review and evaluations of the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau in the Department of Consumer Affairs. Existing law provides for the regulation of funeral establishments, embalmers, cemeteries, and crematories by the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau in the Department of Consumer Affairs. Existing law requires a cemetery authority to display and make available to certain consumers , a copy of the consumer guide for funeral and cemetery purchases. The bill would require a cemetery authority or a cemetery licensee to provide a copy of the consumer guide to a consumer prior to drafting a contract for cemetery goods or services. Existing law requires a person who is delinquent in renewing a cemetery license or a crematory license or a cremated remains disposer registration to pay the fee plus an additional 50% of the renewal fee, but no more than the renewal fee plus $25. This bill would set the delinquency fee at 150% of the timely fee, but not less than the renewal fee plus $25. Existing law regulates preneed contracts for funeral services, and requires a funeral establishment to file an annual report with the bureau. This bill would require a funeral establishment that is exempt from filing an annual report or whose preneed trust funds are reported in a combined preneed trust report, to file a declaration of nonreporting status each year. The bill would require the bureau to conduct certain studies a study on the need to regulate 3rd-party casket retailers and report to the department and the Joint Legislative Sunset Review Committee on or before September 1, 2004. Existing law provides for the examination of applicants for a cemetery license or a crematory license by the bureau. The bill would provide that the fee for a crematory manager examination and reexamination shall be the actual cost to the bureau no more than $500, and that the fee for a cemetery manager examination and reexamination shall be no more than $900 . Because a violation of the provisions regulating funeral establishments is a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program by creating a new crime. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: yes. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. Section 144 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 144. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an agency designated in subdivision (b) shall require an applicant to furnish to the agency a full set of fingerprints for purposes of conducting criminal history record checks. Any agency designated in subdivision (b) may obtain and receive, at its discretion, criminal history information from the Department of Justice and the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation. (b) Subdivision (a) applies to the following boards or committees: (1) California Board of Accountancy. (2) State Athletic Commission. (3) Board of Behavioral Sciences. (4) Court Reporters Board of California. (5) State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind. (6) California State Board of Pharmacy. (7) Board of Registered Nursing. (8) Veterinary Medical Board. (9) Registered Veterinary Technician Committee. (10) Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians. (11) Respiratory Care Board of California. (12) Hearing Aid Dispensers Advisory Commission. (13) Physical Therapy Board of California. (14) Physician Assistant Committee of the Medical Board of California. (15) Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board. (16) Medical Board of California. (17) State Board of Optometry. (18) Acupuncture Board. (19) Cemetery and Funeral Bureau. (20) Bureau of Security and Investigative Services. (21) Division of Investigation. (22) Board of Psychology. (23) The California Board of Occupational Therapy. SEC. 2. Section 473.1 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 473.1. This division shall apply to all of the following: (a) Every board, as defined in Section 22, that is scheduled to become inoperative and to be repealed on a specified date as provided by the specific act relating to the board. (b) The Bureau for Postsecondary and Vocational Education. For purposes of this division, "board" includes the bureau. (c) The Cemetery and Funeral Bureau. SEC. 3. Section 7612 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 7612. The bureau shall do all of the following: (a) Conduct a comprehensive study of the need for the regulation of proprietary employees of religious corporations, churches, religious societies, and religious denominations. (b) Perform a market assessment to determine the number of third-party casket retailers and research the number of consumer complaints filed with the bureau and other government entities. to regulate third-party casket retailers. (c) (b) Report to the department and the Joint Legislative Sunset Review Committee on or before September 1, 2004, on the matters specified in subdivisions (a) and (b). matter. SEC. 4. Section 7746 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 7746. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a funeral establishment that is otherwise exempt from the requirement of filing an annual preneed trust report or whose preneed trust funds are reported in a combined preneed annual preneed trust report, shall annually file a declaration of nonreporting status with the bureau. (b) The declaration shall be filed on or before May 1 of each year and shall also be filed upon the transfer of ownership or the cessation of business. (c) The declaration shall be filed on a form provided by the bureau and shall include, but shall not be limited to, both of the following: (1) The basis upon which the funeral establishment is exempt from the annual trust reporting requirement. (2) The specific kind and nature of the exempt preneed arrangements, if any, in which the funeral establishment engages. (d) The declaration shall be verified by the funeral establishment' s owner, a partner, or in the case of a corporation, by the president or vice president. SEC. 5. Section 9610 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 9610. The bureau shall do both of the following: (a) Conduct a comprehensive study of the need for the regulation of proprietary employees of religious corporations, churches, religious societies, and religious denominations. (b) Report to the department and the Joint Legislative Sunset Review Committee on or before September 1, 2004, on the matter specified in subdivision (a). SEC. 6. Section 9663 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 9663. (a) The bureau shall make available to funeral establishments and cemetery authorities a copy of a consumer guide for funeral and cemetery purchases for purposes of reproduction and distribution. The funeral and cemetery guide that is approved by the bureau, in consultation with the funeral and cemetery industries and any other interested parties, shall be made available in printed form and electronically through the Internet. (b) A cemetery authority shall prominently display and make available to any individual who, in person, inquires about funeral or cemetery purchases, a copy of the consumer guide for funeral and cemetery purchases, reproduced as specified in subdivision (a). (c) Prior to drafting a contract for cemetery goods or services, the cemetery authority or cemetery licensee shall provide to the consumer, for retention, a copy of the consumer guide for funeral and cemetery purchases specified. SEC. 6. SEC. 7. Section 9731 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 9731. If a person fails to apply for a license renewal, no renewal license shall be issued except upon payment of the delinquent renewal fee required under Section 9750.5. No person who fails to renew his or her license within one year of the expiration date can engage in any of the activities authorized by such a license unless he or she first files the application required for an original license, pays the original license fee, and otherwise complies with all of the provisions of this act pertaining to the issuance of an original license. SEC. 7. SEC. 8. Section 9747 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 9747. If a person fails to apply for renewal of his or her cremated remains disposer registration prior to midnight of September 30th of the year for which the registration was issued, no renewal shall be issued except upon payment of the delinquent renewal fee required under Section 9750.5. SEC. 8. SEC. 9. Section 9750.5 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 9750.5. The delinquent renewal fee for a license, registration, or certificate of authority under this chapter shall be 150 percent of the timely fee, but not less than the renewal fee plus twenty-five dollars ($25). SEC. 9. SEC. 10. Section 9764.1 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 9764.1. The fees fee for a crematory manager examination shall be the actual cost to the bureau for developing, purchasing, grading, and administering the examination. and reexamination may not exceed five hundred dollars ($500). SEC. 10. SEC. 11. Section 9764.2 is added to the Business and Professions Code, to read: 9764.2. The fee for a cemetery manager examination shall be the actual cost to the bureau for developing, purchasing, grading, and administering the examination. and reexamination may not exceed nine hundred dollars ($900). SEC. 11. SEC. 12. Section 9765 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 9765. Every cemetery authority operating a cemetery shall pay an annual regulatory charge for each cemetery to be fixed by the bureau at not more than four hundred dollars ($400). In addition to an annual regulatory charge for each cemetery, an additional quarterly charge of not more than eight dollars and fifty cents ($8.50) for each burial, entombment, or inurnment, and not more than eight dollars and fifty cents ($8.50) for each cremation made during the preceding quarter shall be paid to the department and these charges shall be deposited in the Cemetery Fund. If the cemetery authority performed the cremation and either the burial, entombment, or inurnment, the total of all additional charges shall be not more than eight dollars and fifty cents ($8.50). SEC. 12. SEC. 13. Section 9786 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 9786. Every crematory licensee operating a crematory pursuant to a license issued in compliance with this article shall pay an annual regulatory charge for each crematory, to be fixed by the bureau at not more than four hundred dollars ($400). In addition to an annual regulatory charge for each crematory, every licensee operating a crematory pursuant to a license issued pursuant to this article shall pay an additional charge of not more than eight dollars and fifty cents ($8.50) per cremation made during the preceding quarter, which charges shall be deposited in the Cemetery Fund. SEC. 13. SEC. 14. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution.

SB 1448 has been amended and sent back to committee. Please go to the links below and read the changes (mostly clarification), then email all the Senators & officials you can to tell them you support saving our old cemeteries. This bill is an act to add Section 4015 to the Welfare and Institution code, relating to state hospitals and developmental centers. It will make them accountable for keeping records (public) of those they bury & make sure that the cemeteries of State hospitals are not just abandoned without due process to assure all remains have been handled properly (moved to new cemetery, or the existing cemeteries kept up as they should be). This is not a bill that will require any new taxes. The records should have been kept properly to begin with. It is going to make the responsible groups do their jobs as mandated by existing law. Marge ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov To: MARGECAM@ATTBI.COM Subject: OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA BILL INFORMATION Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Date and Time of Update: Tue Jun 18 4:12:18 US/Pacific 2002 Legislative action has occurred on bill(s) you have subscribed to through the California Legislative Counsel's web site (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov) or the California State Senate's web site (http://www.sen.ca.gov). You can link to the Bill Documents page or to the specific page of information that has been updated. If you cannot link from this E-mail message, you can enter the URL on your Internet Browser. SB 1448 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1448&sess=CUR&house=B &search_type=email ANALYSIS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_cfa_20020617_101840_ asm_comm.html

Probably Rural Cemetery. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Lang [mailto:cousinconnections@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:35 PM To: CASANJOA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASanJoaquin] Graveyards and MARTIN Family My great aunt, Rose HART MARTIN died in Stockton, California in 1911. Does anyone have a clue as to which graveyard she would have been buried in? Her husband's name was Alfred. Any help appreciated. Am also looking for her 6 children and their families. Vicki - ------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup ______________________________

Hi Vicki I think this is her, Martin Rose Ann, Buried 9/ 28/ 1911, age 46 Rural Cemetery Stockton, California This is from the book Old Cemeteries of San Joaquin County California Compiled by San Joaquin Genealogical Society Vicki Lang wrote: > My great aunt, Rose HART MARTIN died in Stockton, California in 1911. Does anyone have a clue as to which graveyard she would have been buried in? Her husband's name was Alfred. Any help appreciated. > > Am also looking for her 6 children and their families. Vicki > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup -- Thomas and Paulette Hilk 1725 Wildwood Ct. Merced, CA. 95340 E-mail address: paulette@elite.net

My great aunt, Rose HART MARTIN died in Stockton, California in 1911. Does anyone have a clue as to which graveyard she would have been buried in? Her husband's name was Alfred. Any help appreciated. Am also looking for her 6 children and their families. Vicki --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup

Greetings: Some of you may recall that Assemblymember Anthony Pescetti authored proposed legislation (AB 1779; 2000 and AB 1368; 2001) that would have created the California Historic Cemetery Commission to work toward identifying our state's early cemeteries and reviewing the problems that plague them. Thanks to Governor Gray Davis, we didn't get our historic cemetery commission because the Governor vetoed the bill even though it passed both the state senate and assembly nearly unanimously. Had the governor not vetoed the bill, perhaps our state would be able to put together a pivotal program as Oregon has done (see at http://www.shpo.state.or.us/news.php?id=371 or below). It is incomprehensible to me as a Californian, that our great state could be outdone by Oregon, a state of great natural resources but not necessarily of the financial wealth California has generally enjoyed. If you still believe the State of California has an obligation to help protect, preserve and conserve our state's historic cemeteries, I would invite you all to send that message to Gray Davis. mailto:governor@governor.ca.gov . Ask him: How is it Oregon can afford to attend to the needs of its' historic cemeteries while California ignores them at every step? Why did you really vetoe AB 1779 in 2000? (It's a receiving mailbox, but maybe if enough of us send him the message, the next time this matter comes up, it will be enacted.) You might wish to copy your own state representatives to let them know how you feel. If you live in a county where they are allowing your historic cemeteries to be bulldozed or neglected off the face of this earth, you might want to check the new California Saving Graves website at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/ . I am the El Dorado County Coordinator for California Saving Graves and have posted some background on California's laws, one of which VESTED TITLE TO THE PUBLIC CEMETERIES IN THE PEOPLE and, through the people, the board of supervisors of the counties are the authority for their management and control. If no one is minding the store when it comes to your county's historic cemeteries, you might wish to review some of the law. The El Dorado County site is linked to the California Saving Graves site or you may see it direct at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/eldorado/ . Every cemetery lost in this state may represent a break in information of family histories yet to be discovered. Every cemetery lost in this state represents yet another stitch dropping out of the moral fabric of our society. We need to get together now and work together to stop the decay, neglect, desecration and obliteration of our state's historic burying grounds. Sincerely, Sue Silver El Dorado County, CA (The press release below is found on the Oregon State Historic Preservation Office website. It is a state cemetery association created by the Oregon state legislature. This is similar to what we could have had, had Gray Davis not vetoed Mr. Pescetti's bill in 2000.) Survey of historic cemeteries launched Survey attached to this release April 25th, 2002 Contact Name: Mirra Meyer, 503-378-4168, ext. 335 Contact Email: Mirra.Meyer@state.or.us #02-29 For immediate release: The Oregon Pioneer Cemetery Commission launched its spring survey of historic cemeteries today, continuing efforts to build a registry and acquire up-to-date information on the condition of historic burial sites throughout the state. Commission Coordinator Mirra Meyer said the survey will provide "essential information" needed to develop a cemetery preservation grants program. "We're asking individual volunteers, school groups and service and special interest organizations to help us gather information on the conditions of historic cemeteries and gravesites of people who died before February 14, 1909," said Meyer. "We're hoping they will fill out the questionnaires as they prepare cemeteries for Memorial Day observances and make annual visits to family plots." June 10 is the deadline for returning questionnaires that will provide data for this year's inventory. She stressed, however, that the commission welcomes survey information at any time. Survey forms can be downloaded (Acrobat required) or acquired by e-mailing Meyer at mirra.meyer@state.or.us. The questionnaires also can be acquired through regular mail by writing to Meyer at SHPO, 1115 Commercial Street NE, Suite 2, Salem, OR 97301-1012.

This Family Group Sheet includes these family names: JONES, SHARP, MORGAN, TILLERY, SMITH, YANDELL, and WILLIAMS I'm hoping someone, who is related, will find a connection here. Please let me know if you do connect. Thank you, Steve Seagraves <ourgenealogies@aol.com> === FATHER (name): William Logan "Willy" JONES date and place of birth: 1875, ?? date and place of marriage: 29 Jul 1894, Sharp Co, AR other marriages: none date and place of death: abt 1910, Logan Co, AR father's father (name and date of birth): William Alexander "Alick" JONES, b. 27 Sep 1853 father's mother (name and date of birth): M. E. SHARP Jones, b. 1852 ......................................................................... MOTHER (name): "Molly" MORGAN Jones Tillery date and place of birth: 30 May 1874, ?? date and place of marriage: 29 Jul 1894, Sharp Co, AR other marriages: Alfred L. F. TILLERY, 15 Nov 1908, Booneville, Logan Co, AR date and place of death: 10 Jan 1942, Sallisaw, Sequoyah Co, OK mother's father (name and date of birth): MORGAN mother's mother (name and date of birth): ?? ......................................................................... CHILD 1. (name): Arthur Allen JONES date and place of birth: 7 Mar 1901, Cave City, Sharp Co, AR married (name): Nola Belle SMITH Jones date and place of marriage: 28 Feb 1924, Booneville, Logan Co, AR other marriages: Isla YANDELL Williams Jones, 1959, Lubbock, Lubbock Co, TX date and place of death: 4 Aug 1986, Lubbock, Lubbock Co, TX ......................................................................... CHILD 2. (name): Ira Marvin JONES date and place of birth: 1905, AR married (name): Ella Jones date and place of marriage: ?? other marriages: none date and place of death: 26 Jun 1960, Stockton, San Joaquin Co, CA ......................................................................... CHILD 3. (name): Isaac JONES date and place of birth: ?? date and place of death: ?? ......................................................................... CHILD 4. (name): Irvin JONES date and place of birth: ?? date and place of death: ?? ......................................................................... SUBMITTED BY: Steve Seagraves e-mail: <ourgenealogies@aol.com> ============================================================

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/sanjoaquin/asylumd1.htm the above link will take you to a story copied from a Stockton 1898 newspaper. It will give you an idea of what became of those unfortunate enough to die in the care of the state asylums. Margie Lodi, ca Margie Campbell's Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/ Iron County Missouri Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ Host of Hermes & Wenström surname lists based in Sunny, Lodi, CA

the links below will take you to the update for this bill (SB 1448). The amendments are basically clerical. The bill is standing up very well in committee, please continue to let your local, county & State officials know you support this legislation (this bill does not require any monetary output from the state). Marge in Lodi, CA -----Original Message----- From: comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov [mailto:comments@www.leginfo.ca.gov] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:41 AM To: MARGECAM@ATTBI.COM Subject: OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA BILL INFORMATION Date and Time of Update: Tue Jun 11 2:11:02 US/Pacific 2002 Legislative action has occurred on bill(s) you have subscribed to through the California Legislative Counsel's web site (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov) or the California State Senate's web site (http://www.sen.ca.gov). You can link to the Bill Documents page or to the specific page of information that has been updated. If you cannot link from this E-mail message, you can enter the URL on your Internet Browser. SB 1448 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1448&sess=CUR&ho use=B&search_type=email AMENDED http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020610_a mended_asm.html HISTORY http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020610_h istory.html STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1448_bill_20020610_s tatus.html

Gee, I went to the cited reference at the Senate and got a lot of info that was just as unspecific as your letter. I recall Rootsweb, a few months ago, publishing a lot of information about me that truly infuriated me and I ain't even dead. I'd like to reserve the right to not panic until I understand what we are faced with and so far I don't. I have e-mailed sen. Spier. The warning, tho, is appreciated. cheers, Gard > > Dear Californians and everybody else out there interested in the future of > genealogy, > > I just went to www.rootsweb.com and was shocked to see that the California > legislature is trying to pass a law that will severely limit access to birth > and death records in California. I know that I wish they would give us more > access and not less. It is tough enough just going on birth certificates, > marriage certificates,death certificates and census records, but now they > want to take that away from us too. It wasn't long ago that the federal > government raised social security records from what I recall being $3 to $27. > That was a major blow to family history enthusiasts. This could be even > worse. It will be bad enough if this law passes in California, but then the

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SMITH, McAFEE Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1050 Message Board Post: Norma M. Smith Norma McAfee Smith, a retired UC Davis librarian, died March 31, 2001, at Kaiser Hospital in Sacramento. She was 91. She was born in Stockton to James and Nina McGaffey McAfee and grew up in Berkeley, graduating from UC Berkeley. She was a receptionist/docent at the Ansel Adams Gallery in San Francisco and worked for the Park Service until World War II, when she became an executive secretary at the Richmond Tank Depot. She met her future husband, George Smith, at that time, and they were married in 1942. He was a gunner on a B-17 bomber, assigned to Europe. His plane was shot down over Germany and he was a prisoner of war for two years. After the war ended, they moved to Montana, where he earned a degree and then began teaching at the University of Washington in Seattle, and she worked in the campus bookstore. They lived on a houseboat on Lake Union. He was co-author of the "Handbook of English Grammar" by Perrin and Smith. When his health began to fail, they moved to Berkeley; he died in 1960. She returned to UC Berkeley to earn a master's degree in library science and joined the staff of Shields Library in 1966 as a cataloguer. She retired in 1976. She volunteered with the UCD Arboretum, where she organized the library and in 1980 it was named the Norma Smith Arboretum Library. She was also involved with the Pence Gallery, Davis Art Center and The Friends of Bancroft Library at UC Berkeley, and was a life member of the UC Berkeley Alumni Association. She lived at Covell Gardens in Davis from 1992 until her death. She is survived by a grandniece and two grandnephews. A memorial service is pending. (Obituary from the "The Davis Enterprise," Friday, April 6, 2001, (Yolo County). Submitted with the permission of the "The Davis Enterprise," 315 G Street, Davis, CA 95616, <http://www.davisenterprise.com/>. Please note: I am not related to the family listed above, and I do not have any further information on this family.)

Dear Californians and everybody else out there interested in the future of genealogy, I just went to www.rootsweb.com and was shocked to see that the California legislature is trying to pass a law that will severely limit access to birth and death records in California. I know that I wish they would give us more access and not less. It is tough enough just going on birth certificates, marriage certificates,death certificates and census records, but now they want to take that away from us too. It wasn't long ago that the federal government raised social security records from what I recall being $3 to $27. That was a major blow to family history enthusiasts. This could be even worse. It will be bad enough if this law passes in California, but then the slippery slope effect might take place where other states follow California's lead and limit access to public records as well. I know that I would be very disappointed if that were the case. I read recently that genealogy is by far the number one hobby in the U.S. I know that I sure love it, but I never knew it was that popular. Please go to www.rootsweb.com and see more about this genealogical atrocity, and please write to the governor and Senators Speier and Bowen about Senate Bill 1614. Let's stop this here and now! Russ Lentz P.S. I will post information on this bill below. California Birth and Death Records Senate Bill 1614 The California Senate is now considering legislation that would reduce the information available in the birth and death record indexes rendering them significantly less useful and/or limit the use and access by genealogical researchers and family historians. That which to date has been available as a matter of law, would be unavailable as a matter of law, except by restricted access through a limited index in California County Clerk's offices. While we understand concerns raised about privacy and identity, we hope that those involved in determining the future accessibility of these records will balance their great and proven family history public value against privacy and identity concerns. MyFamily.com considers these records to be primary to the pursuit of discovering an individual's heritage and history; in fact, central to the human need that answers the yearning deep inside each of us to know who we are and from where we came. If you are concerned about this loss, and the fact that the legislation if passed might mean other states would follow suit, you can contact the relevant Senators and Senate Committees by sending an e-mail regarding your thoughts. This bill will go to the floor of the Senate for a vote very soon so do not delay in contacting your senator…… · State Governor: governor@governor.ca.gov · Senator Speier: senator.speier@sen.ca.gov · Senator Bowen: senator.bowen@sen.ca.gov · All of the above Details on the status of the legislation can be found at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/pagequery?type=sen_bilinfo&site=sen& title=Bill+Information Just type SB1614 in the space for "Bill number." National Genealogical Society (NGS) and the Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) speak out on this issue. P.S. II I am looking for my long lost relatives that were last known to live in the San Francisco area, we believe: Mary Neumann (married name Cowan or something spelled like that). She had a son, but they left Pennsylvania around the time of World War II, and my grandmother cannot remember the name of the son. Her brother Herman (nicknames: Louie and Hermie) Neumann also moved to California as well as her brother Frederick (Freddie) Neumann. We think Mary was born about 1914 and her brother Herman in about 1912 and her brother Freddie in about 1908. Mary's husband was a mailman back in Pittsburgh, but I think he died before she left for CA. I could be wrong though. Mary's parents were August (nickname: Albert) Neumann and Katherine M. (nickname: Kitty) White. My grandmother is just dying to know what ever happened to her cousins.

This could have been the LIVE OAK Cemetery (info from OLD CEMETERIES OF SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY, by SJGS 1960 vol 1) located at the junction of West Land and Armstrong Road, between Lodi & Stockton. It was started about 1860, under the jurisdiction of the Methodist Church, and at one time there was a nice little chapel there. It was used until about 1904-05, after which many of the remains were moved to other cemeteries. When I asked about this site at the San Joaquin county Genealogical Society, they mentioned that the property was purchased by an individual who fought about the removal of the cemetery, and then used the stones in the foundation of his home. From what I was told, which was confirmed by the County is that the graves are still there. Sad. I will be putting a bit on the cemetery site on this. It will list the names of the persons buried there & a few obits if I can find them. If anyone on the list has family who were buried at Live Oak, has photos of the cemetery site, or persons buried there, I would love to hear from you. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Edrie Broughton [mailto:etfoam@inreach.com] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:24 AM To: Margie Campbell Subject: California Saving Graves site Marge, This is a nice start. I have another puzzler for you. When we moved to Stockton in 1963 we lived in north Stockton. We used to go to Micke Grove by the back roads, seldom the same way twice in a row. At a T intersection out there somewhere was a small pioneer cemetery with burials 1870-1880, I think. The cemetery was pretty intact, just old and neglected in 1963. Sometime before 1970 it was vandalized, the stones knocked over but I think the stones were just left lying there. There has been so much building out there and roads that used to end punched through, I wonder if that cemetery is still there. It only had 25-50 graves in it, as I remember. This was just before I started driving so I didn't pay as much attention to where we were going back then. EdrieAnne Broughton Vacaville.

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/county/sanjoaquin/ Saving Graves page for San Joaquin county CA Hi everyone. I don't have the site complete by any means yet.. but wanted to let all know it is online now. Marge in Lodi, CA

6/8/2002 Hello All: A kindly reminder concerning our association meeting JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY. I spoke ( 6/7/2002 ) with Mr. Michael Rose Director of Sales at The Holiday Inn North Lexington, Ky. He informed me that the SPECIAL RATE of $75.95 + Tax would be available through 5 PM June 14, 2002 for those attending the Lay Family Association Meeting. . PLEASE make your reservations by calling the number in the Announcement below. If you plan to attend our Dinner meeting Saturday 6/22/02 and you haven't sent your Dinner reservations to Gordon Yet, it would be advisable to call me and/or email ( Gerald Lay - 423-784-8557 ) slim@jellico.net slim@jellico.com and let me know you are going to be there. The Dinner reservation deadline date being so near, your mailed reservation may not arrive by June 17, so give me a call to insure your seating. Mr. Ron Bryant of the Kentucky Historical Society is scheduled to speak. See you all there! May GOD be with you all! Gerald Lay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Announcement The Lay Family Genealogical Association Meeting Will hold it's bi-annual meeting June 21-23, 2002 Place: Holiday Inn North, Lexington Kentucky. The Holiday Inn North, 1950 Newtown Pike 40501, is located on the North side of the city next to I-64/I-75. Cost for Holiday Inn North $75.95 Per Night + Tax-(Currently 12.35% ). You must call the hotel directly to receive the negotiated price (1-859-233-0512.) The LFGA has 135+ members from all across the continental U. S., Hawaii and Canada. There will be a dinner speaker Sat June 22. Reservations for the dinner must be received by June 17, 2002. Cost for the dinner will be $30.00 per individual. Dinner reservations should be sent to: Gordon Sloan 1845 N. Taylor Rd Willcox, AZ. 85643 We urge all interested in Lay, Leigh, Ley, Loy, Leh, ect Families to plan to attend this genealogical meeting. Our members have individual genealogical databases to access. The LFGA also has 70+ family lines which is maintained by our archivest. Anyone interested in more information can contact: Gerald Lay 671 LickFork Lane Pioneer, Tennessee 37847. 1-423-784-8557 email - slim@jellico.net slim@jellico.com We urge all interested in Lay, Leigh, Ley, Loy, Leh, ect Families to plan to attend this genealogical meeting. Our members have individual genealogical databases to access. The LFGA also has 70+ family lines which is maintained by our archivest. Anyone interested in more information can contact: Gerald Lay 671 LickFork Lane Pioneer, Tennessee 37847. 1-423-784-8557 email - slim@jellico.net slim@jellico.com MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL!! Gerald Lay Lay Family Genealogical Association www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/8896

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LEISTER, DURHAM Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AY.2ADE/1049 Message Board Post: I know that Don and Sarah lived in the Stockton area in 1952, as Sarah was listed in her father's Stillwater, OK obit as living there. I am looking for the first clue as to exactly where she was, where buried, etc. - 4jdurham@mindspring.com

For anyone interested, here is the most recent Senate Analyses of the effect of SB 1614's statement of intent to protect the confidentiality of birth and death records. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1614_cfa_20020605_100043_sen_floor.html Sue Silver

I have the following obit requests finished as of today, June 6: (I will contact the persons making the requests as I scan these). Myrill Hamilton - Stockton & Lodi Harold Ringler Sr James Lewis Van Buren Josephine Hitchcock William Filloon.. no obit found Glenn Hendrickson Walter Ogan Alva Maize (Maze) Jessie Lewis Arizona Lewis Stonewall Jackson Hitchcock-- no obit found Mary Hart Wm. Folger George Folger Jodi Thweatt-- not in SJC, per Stockton Record list of deaths in SJC for the date (one week prior to one week after July 26, 1998) Henry Poynor-- no obit found Joseph Markle-- no obit found John Thompson-- no obit found James Rhodes-- no obit found Sam Gregory -- no obit found I have not checked these off my list yet...hope for tomorrow or Monday, but if you recognize that this is somone you requested & it's done... let me know so I can remove them from my list: Robert Perry Richard Haurigan Edward Pegg Rose Martin Charles Cole Arthur Thomas Eliz Reitz If you have requested a lookup from Marge Campbell (please don't have me and Jackie looking for same people, we do have other priorities also, and this takes us both away from those) please remind me... and include the death date if you can. I have some that don't have death dates... I am checking these slowly... I check the city directories, cemetery books, and the death indexes. I will try also the census if it's online... but only as time permits. Marge Campbell