I am familiar with San Francisco Bay Area counties, be it 1900 or earlier. I don't know where you are getting your information, but I believe it to be incorrect. Generally, those that lived south of San Francisco identified clearly with the communities in which they resided - be it Colma, San Mateo or otherwise. South San Francisco is a defined town, not a location. Those in Oakland always referred to their community as Oakland - and was the subject of "Oakland jokes" by San Franciscans. Wasn't it Gertrude Stein who stated about Oakland, "There's no there there."? At one time, it was a prosperous metropolitan city. Before the bridges spanned the Bay and the Gate, people who lived in Marin and Alameda Counties were considered somewhat remote from San Francisco. It was much easier, however, for Oakland residents to work in San Francisco because of good ferry service. City directories show that many Oakland and Berkeley residents worked in San Francisco. Marin residents rarely did until awhile later. Transportation to San Francisco from Marin was once more difficult than from Alameda County. Su Buchignani --- sujac@pipeline.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Su A few points of information: 1) The famous or infamous quote "There is no there there" Gertrude Stein, did said that, but you have to know that she grew up in Fruitvale, which at the time, she lived there was it own little town. When she can back to the U.S., for a speaking tour a number of years later she when, to look for her old home and found that it had been torn down, also all the fruit trees and open spaces that had been there when she was groping up were gone. So she just saying in her own way, there was nothing of her youth that was left. 2) In about 1898-99, the county of San Francisco, came up with the idea of a greater San Francisco County, which was to be made up of parts of San Mateo, Alameda, Contra Costa and if I remember right Marin Counties. I was shot down, by the other counties, they did not want to part of San Francisco County. 3) San Francisco, got mad with Oakland and Alameda County, in 1869, when the railroad came to California, for they were hoping to have the train end in San Francisco. But Alameda County, did a better job, and had it end in Oakland. The way it was going happen was that the train came in the the Bay Area, by way of Niles Canyon, and the train was then going to goto San Jose, and hook up with the San Jose and San Francisco Railroad, but Oakland came in with a better deal. 4) I came across a obit from the turn of the century, where it stated the man who died, was part of the third migration to the East Bay. The reasons people moved there were the weather was better, less crime, better schools, and the chance to have a yard. 5) One last thing, why San Francisco, was mad at Oakland, in the late 1860s or early 1870s, Oakland, used a canon that San Francisco, had given them, during the Civil War. To stop a the police of San Francisco, from seating over a ferry full of people they want to get rid of, the city fathers fill it with gun powder, nails, bolts and shot it at the ferry, which then turn back to San Francisco. George --- SU BUCHIGNANI <sujac@pipeline.com> wrote: > I am familiar with San Francisco Bay Area counties, > be it 1900 or earlier. > I don't know where you are getting your information, > but I believe it to be > incorrect. Generally, those that lived south of San > Francisco identified > clearly with the communities in which they resided - > be it Colma, San Mateo > or otherwise. South San Francisco is a defined > town, not a location. > Those in Oakland always referred to their community > as Oakland - and was > the subject of "Oakland jokes" by San Franciscans. > Wasn't it Gertrude Stein > who stated about Oakland, "There's no there there."? > At one time, it was a > prosperous metropolitan city. Before the bridges > spanned the Bay and the > Gate, people who lived in Marin and Alameda Counties > were considered > somewhat remote from San Francisco. It was much > easier, however, for > Oakland residents to work in San Francisco because > of good ferry service. > City directories show that many Oakland and Berkeley > residents worked in > San Francisco. Marin residents rarely did until > awhile later. > Transportation to San Francisco from Marin was once > more difficult than > from Alameda County. > > Su Buchignani > --- sujac@pipeline.com > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com