I've heard this theory before (that if no one has drawn on the account, the decedant isn't listed in the SSDI), but it is not true. For some ideas about why someone is not listed in the SSDI, visit: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/missing.html >Concerning the no information on your son in the Social Security Death >Index, I believe someone has to draw on the deceased Social Security in >order to have any information in the Death Index. ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Please - can anyone help verify information about Holy Cross RC Church in San Francisco as it was in March 1870 and St. Patrick's Church in San Francisco as it was in August 1872? I'm trying to determine exactly in which church buildings my gr-grandparents were married and their firstborn, my grandmother, was baptized. I'm very interested to learn more about both - photos, drawings and/or descriptions of the buildings, and in the exact locations of these churches in those early years. According to newspaper reports (found thanks to a wonderful listmember), and a family Bible, I have on record: (1) Holy Cross Church - on March 26, 1871, Richard Cullen STEWARD and Alice M. (Mary?) TREAHY were married by Rev. Jas. Langon (sp? perhaps Morgan?). Witnesses: Mary F. Burns and John C. Quinn (2) Ellen (Nellie) Catherine STEWARD, daughter of couple above, was baptized in St. Patrick's Church in August 1872. I realize that many churches were damaged in the earthquake/fire, and still others have been renovated, closed, moved and/or sold to other congregations - but am trying to discover about Holy Cross and St. Patrick's has they might have been in the early 1870s - and if they still exist somewhere now? (The Noehill website seems to indicate that both of the original buildings may still exist but now serve as Buddhist temples - can anyone verify that for me?) >From info on the Noehill website at http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf004.asp, it seems that a new St. Patrick's Church was consecrated in 1872, but no specific date within that year is mentioned, so I'm not sure if Granny was baptized in the brand new church that year - or the original St. Patrick's built in 1854 at the corner of Market and New Montgomery by The Jesuits of St. Ignatius College http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf006.asp Any information about either church, or about these actual marriage/birth from some kind soul who happens to be researching in RC archives in San Francisco or elsewhere in California would be most appreciated. With thanks in advance, Kaye Steward Edmonton, Alberta, Canada