Hi Adrienne... There are some really great San Francisco historian list members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some great information for you. However, I do know that the 'street cars' weren't trains. When my mother referred to 'taking a street car', she was referring to the bus system that ran along cables. 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference was interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with the buses. My other thought is that possibly someone may have access to an SF City Directory for your time frame of late 1880s to early 1890s to see where your Escobar family lived, as most personal religious events (including masses and burials) more than likely took place near home, probably not near work location. Also, someone may know about street car employee listings (I wonder if he may have been a City employee?) that might possibly be available. There might be legal ramifications with a list like that, if it survived the earthquake/fire, not sure of that either. Also, I think there are water company records available. Once you find an address(es), you might possibly be able to obtain the water records. Then you will have a more exact time frame. Also, you probably are aware of the burial relocations from SF that took place in the early half of the 1900s. You would also probably know that SFgenealogy.com has a link or links with information about those relocations. If you find their address, you might find a local Catholic Church and go from there. Once you have a particular church name or names, you may have a better chance of locating information in the Menlo Park records that are available. Those are my thoughts... good luck... Barb > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:10:20 -0700> From: hattula1902@yahoo.com> To: CASANFRA@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request> > Hi, All Sweet Listers.> > Thank you for listening to this new request. I would like to make an new exciting request for my great grandfather Antonio F Escobar aka A. F. Escobar or Antone Fran De Escobar or Antone F. Escobar below. Let me write what it says exactly in Los Alamos Progress for Former Resident, per an item. > > I think an item means an one information in a small section is printed to let everyone to know. > > Transcription:> > Will be of great interest to our readers. Send in the names of former residents and tell us where they are and what they are doing. )> > On January 4, 1890, A. F. Escobar is running a street car in San Francisco. > > Few days ago, I got a letter from Los Alamos History Society and said to myself, "Wow" for 2 babies Nora Escobar. In fact, two babies(not twins) died on same year of 1890 in San Francisco City, which it made sense to me. From I understand, from Los Alamos, Nora Escobar´s mother Jennie Escobar aka Joanna Silva took a first baby Nora Escobar to San Francisco City early before January,1890 when she was pregnant with second baby Nora Escobar. > > According to the San Francisco Call obituary, a second baby Nora Escobar died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City from bad milk. I believe that a first baby Nora Escobar died on May 8, 1890 in San Francsico City. There are no cemetery records found everywhere due to by fire through by earthquake or records are missing for some reasons. I will try mortuary records later. > > I learned from a curator Andrew Galvan that Records of Burials for Misión San Francisco de Asís are missing. I believe that the babies are buried there. I may be wrong. I learned that many Spanish and Portuguese who got married there in past history. Perhaps, Joana Silva and Antonio F. Escobar got married there(or in Santa Barbara County) in around 1888. > > For San Francisco City area, I have few new requests below for you, if please, would you be able to give me feedback? > > 1. Is street car standing for a cable or a train on railroad? Is that correct?> > 2. Where is an occupation record(street car) for Antonio F. Escobar on the year of 1890(maybe early in Winter, 1889)? First baby Nora Escobar was born on March 29, 1889(or May 25, 1889) in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara County. and died on May 8, 1890 in San Francisco City. A second baby Nora Escobar was born on month of June, 1890 in San Francisco City and died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City. > > A year later, Mamie Escobar aka Maymie or Maria Escobar was born on month of June, 1891 or 1892 in San Francisco City? or Sacramento. On month of January,1893, Mamie´s brother Antonio F. Escobar was born in Port Costa, California. Their parents were heading back to Los Alamos, California on month of January. On February 18, 1894, Louis Escobar was born in Los Alamos. > > Recently, I learned new information on this below. > > In the Alamos Central newspaper, A. F. Escobar, Prop worked at restaurant and lodging house for 25 cents for a meal and 25 cents for lodgings. It is on business and professional cards in the newspaper! I did not know that! In around 1900´s, he also worked for pony express for Los Alamos area. > > 3. Where did he work at for street car area?> > 4. Where are the cemetery site or Mortuary site closest by street car area? > > I need to find Nora Escobar´s cemetery site. I know it is not easy to find them somewhere in San Francisco City. I have a rare photo of Nora Escobar´s headstone, but no information is written about where burial place is. :-( BUT, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT NEW INFORMATION FROM LOS ALAMOS NEWSPAPER AT THIS MOMENT! Wait and see. I bet babies Nora Escobar are waiting for me. :-)> > Thank you very much. > > Adrienne Stefanik > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008

I have the city directories for 1875 and 1879 and did not find any Escobars in either. Bill -----Original Message----- From: casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb C Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:41 AM To: hattula1902@yahoo.com; casanfra@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request Hi Adrienne... There are some really great San Francisco historian list members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some great information for you. However, I do know that the 'street cars' weren't trains. When my mother referred to 'taking a street car', she was referring to the bus system that ran along cables. 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference was interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with the buses. My other thought is that possibly someone may have access to an SF City Directory for your time frame of late 1880s to early 1890s to see where your Escobar family lived

Hi Adrienne, Street cars were single car trolleys, first horse drawn, then (and now) electric that ran on tracks throughout the city with the exception of the steep hills. There we used cable cars. There were a number of competing street car companies like the Market Street Railway, Divisidero Electric Car Line and the Municipal Railway (Muni). Now only Muni is left & it's owned by the city. My great uncle Harry Wiles was a Muni conductor. I have a great shot of him in his uniform. Go to http://www.sfpl.org/librarylocations/sfhistory/sfphoto.htm and enter street car in the search field. San Francisco has a great collection of classic street cars that remain in daily service. They also have stinky buses. Anybody recall the black Mission Street Jitneys? Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> Barb C wrote: >Hi Adrienne... > >There are some really great San Francisco historian list members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some great information for you. However, I do know that the 'street cars' weren't trains. When my mother referred to 'taking a street car', she was referring to the bus system that ran along cables. 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference was interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with the buses. > >My other thought is that possibly someone may have access to an SF City Directory for your time frame of late 1880s to early 1890s to see where your Escobar family lived, as most personal religious events (including masses and burials) more than likely took place near home, probably not near work location. Also, someone may know about street car employee listings (I wonder if he may have been a City employee?) that might possibly be available. There might be legal ramifications with a list like that, if it survived the earthquake/fire, not sure of that either. Also, I think there are water company records available. Once you find an address(es), you might possibly be able to obtain the water records. Then you will have a more exact time frame. > >Also, you probably are aware of the burial relocations from SF that took place in the early half of the 1900s. You would also probably know that SFgenealogy.com has a link or links with information about those relocations. If you find their address, you might find a local Catholic Church and go from there. Once you have a particular church name or names, you may have a better chance of locating information in the Menlo Park records that are available. > >Those are my thoughts... good luck... Barb > > > > > >>Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:10:20 -0700> From: hattula1902@yahoo.com> To: CASANFRA@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request> > Hi, All Sweet Listers.> > Thank you for listening to this new request. I would like to make an new exciting request for my great grandfather Antonio F Escobar aka A. F. Escobar or Antone Fran De Escobar or Antone F. Escobar below. Let me write what it says exactly in Los Alamos Progress for Former Resident, per an item. > > I think an item means an one information in a small section is printed to let everyone to know. > > Transcription:> > Will be of great interest to our readers. Send in the names of former residents and tell us where they are and what they are doing. )> > On January 4, 1890, A. F. Escobar is running a street car in San Francisco. > > Few days ago, I got a letter from Los Alamos History Society and said to myself, "Wow" for 2 babies Nora Escobar. In fact, two babies(not twins) died on same year o! f 1890 in San Francisco City, which it made sense to me. From I understand, from Los Alamos, Nora Escobar´s mother Jennie Escobar aka Joanna Silva took a first baby Nora Escobar to San Francisco City early before January,1890 when she was pregnant with second baby Nora Escobar. > > According to the San Francisco Call obituary, a second baby Nora Escobar died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City from bad milk. I believe that a first baby Nora Escobar died on May 8, 1890 in San Francsico City. There are no cemetery records found everywhere due to by fire through by earthquake or records are missing for some reasons. I will try mortuary records later. > > I learned from a curator Andrew Galvan that Records of Burials for Misión San Francisco de Asís are missing. I believe that the babies are buried there. I may be wrong. I learned that many Spanish and Portuguese who got married there in past history. Perhaps, Joana Silva and Antonio F. Escobar got married there(or in S! anta Barbara County) in around 1888. > > For San Francisco Cit! y area, I have few new requests below for you, if please, would you be able to give me feedback? > > 1. Is street car standing for a cable or a train on railroad? Is that correct?> > 2. Where is an occupation record(street car) for Antonio F. Escobar on the year of 1890(maybe early in Winter, 1889)? First baby Nora Escobar was born on March 29, 1889(or May 25, 1889) in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara County. and died on May 8, 1890 in San Francisco City. A second baby Nora Escobar was born on month of June, 1890 in San Francisco City and died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City. > > A year later, Mamie Escobar aka Maymie or Maria Escobar was born on month of June, 1891 or 1892 in San Francisco City? or Sacramento. On month of January,1893, Mamie´s brother Antonio F. Escobar was born in Port Costa, California. Their parents were heading back to Los Alamos, California on month of January. On February 18, 1894, Louis Escobar was born in Los Alamos. > > Recently, I learned new informa! tion on this below. > > In the Alamos Central newspaper, A. F. Escobar, Prop worked at restaurant and lodging house for 25 cents for a meal and 25 cents for lodgings. It is on business and professional cards in the newspaper! I did not know that! In around 1900´s, he also worked for pony express for Los Alamos area. > > 3. Where did he work at for street car area?> > 4. Where are the cemetery site or Mortuary site closest by street car area? > > I need to find Nora Escobar´s cemetery site. I know it is not easy to find them somewhere in San Francisco City. I have a rare photo of Nora Escobar´s headstone, but no information is written about where burial place is. :-( BUT, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT NEW INFORMATION FROM LOS ALAMOS NEWSPAPER AT THIS MOMENT! Wait and see. I bet babies Nora Escobar are waiting for me. :-)> > Thank you very much. > > Adrienne Stefanik > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> T! o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-! request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. 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Sure, the Jitneys - ah... ~~those were the days~~~ :-)) Thanks for the memory, Jim... Also some great pix at the site you sent..... Thanks.... Ruth ____________________ Ruth (Grady) Skewis ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James R. Smith > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:09 PM > To: Barb C > Cc: casanfra@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request > > Hi Adrienne, > > Street cars were single car trolleys, first horse drawn, then > (and now) electric that ran on tracks throughout the city > with the exception of the steep hills. There we used cable > cars. There were a number of competing street car companies > like the Market Street Railway, Divisidero Electric Car Line > and the Municipal Railway (Muni). Now only Muni is left & > it's owned by the city. My great uncle Harry Wiles was a Muni > conductor. I have a great shot of him in his uniform. > > Go to > http://www.sfpl.org/librarylocations/sfhistory/sfphoto.htm > and enter street car in the search field. > > San Francisco has a great collection of classic street cars > that remain in daily service. They also have stinky buses. > > Anybody recall the black Mission Street Jitneys? > > Jim > -- > > James R. Smith > > Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks > > ISBN: 1884995446 > > www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> > > > Barb C wrote: > > >Hi Adrienne... > > > >There are some really great San Francisco historian list > members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some great > information for you. However, I do know that the 'street > cars' weren't trains. When my mother referred to 'taking a > street car', she was referring to the bus system that ran > along cables. 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable > cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference was > interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with the buses. > > > >My other thought is that possibly someone may have access to > an SF City Directory for your time frame of late 1880s to > early 1890s to see where your Escobar family lived, as most > personal religious events (including masses and burials) more > than likely took place near home, probably not near work > location. Also, someone may know about street car employee > listings (I wonder if he may have been a City employee?) that > might possibly be available. There might be legal > ramifications with a list like that, if it survived the > earthquake/fire, not sure of that either. Also, I think > there are water company records available. Once you find an > address(es), you might possibly be able to obtain the water > records. Then you will have a more exact time frame. > > > >Also, you probably are aware of the burial relocations from > SF that took place in the early half of the 1900s. You would > also probably know that SFgenealogy.com has a link or links > with information about those relocations. If you find their > address, you might find a local Catholic Church and go from > there. Once you have a particular church name or names, you > may have a better chance of locating information in the Menlo > Park records that are available. > > > >Those are my thoughts... good luck... Barb > > > >

Hi All, My great-grandfather, John F. McClory, was a conductor on the Market Street Railway in the early 1900's. I found that in the 1901 San Francisco phonebook. According to the 1900 census, they rented a flat on Lyons Street. It appears that John passed away before the 1920 census as he is not listed, although my great-aunt, grandmother and great-uncle are listed in the household. As a kid, I remember the adults referring to the streetcar as a "car," especially the older generation. And, yes, they were single car entities - no trains. I know that they also called elevators "cars" but that was different, of course, especially at 450 Sutter. We lived just south of the B Car line on Geary Street, out on 44th. A block and a half south was the C Car line that ran out Geary, turned at 33rd and headed for the beach on Balboa. The A Car line, I believe, ran out California at terminated at the car barn at 32nd and Clement (my grandmother ran the small restaurant across the street on 33rd and Clement during WWII). More than you ever wanted to know, I'm sure. The only train that I know of was the train that ran out to Sutro Baths along the Gate coastline past Baker's Beach. I believe it was called the Sutro Railway. Yes, Jim, I do remember the Mission Street jitneys. My mother worked at Nurseryman's Exchange on Howard St after WWII (after graduating from Heald College on Van Ness) and moved with them to 6th and Bryant in the 60's. The jitneys were a regular sight running up and down Howard St even when I was a kid back in the 50's. Mike -----Original Message----- From: casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James R. Smith Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:09 PM To: Barb C Cc: casanfra@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request Hi Adrienne, Street cars were single car trolleys, first horse drawn, then (and now) electric that ran on tracks throughout the city with the exception of the steep hills. There we used cable cars. There were a number of competing street car companies like the Market Street Railway, Divisidero Electric Car Line and the Municipal Railway (Muni). Now only Muni is left & it's owned by the city. My great uncle Harry Wiles was a Muni conductor. I have a great shot of him in his uniform. Go to http://www.sfpl.org/librarylocations/sfhistory/sfphoto.htm and enter street car in the search field. San Francisco has a great collection of classic street cars that remain in daily service. They also have stinky buses. Anybody recall the black Mission Street Jitneys? Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> Barb C wrote: >Hi Adrienne... > >There are some really great San Francisco historian list members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some great information for you. However, I do know that the 'street cars' weren't trains. When my mother referred to 'taking a street car', she was referring to the bus system that ran along cables. 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference was interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with the buses. > >My other thought is that possibly someone may have access to an SF City Directory for your time frame of late 1880s to early 1890s to see where your Escobar family lived, as most personal religious events (including masses and burials) more than likely took place near home, probably not near work location. Also, someone may know about street car employee listings (I wonder if he may have been a City employee?) that might possibly be available. There might be legal ramifications with a list like that, if it survived the earthquake/fire, not sure of that either. Also, I think there are water company records available. Once you find an address(es), you might possibly be able to obtain the water records. Then you will have a more exact time frame. > >Also, you probably are aware of the burial relocations from SF that took place in the early half of the 1900s. You would also probably know that SFgenealogy.com has a link or links with information about those relocations. If you find their address, you might find a local Catholic Church and go from there. Once you have a particular church name or names, you may have a better chance of locating information in the Menlo Park records that are available. > >Those are my thoughts... good luck... Barb > > > > > >>Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:10:20 -0700> From: hattula1902@yahoo.com> To: CASANFRA@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request> > Hi, All Sweet Listers.> > Thank you for listening to this new request. I would like to make an new exciting request for my great grandfather Antonio F Escobar aka A. F. Escobar or Antone Fran De Escobar or Antone F. Escobar below. Let me write what it says exactly in Los Alamos Progress for Former Resident, per an item. > > I think an item means an one information in a small section is printed to let everyone to know. > > Transcription:> > Will be of great interest to our readers. Send in the names of former residents and tell us where they are and what they are doing. )> > On January 4, 1890, A. F. Escobar is running a street car in San Francisco. > > Few days ago, I got a letter from Los Alamos History Society and said to myself, "Wow" for 2 babies Nora Escobar. In fact, two babies(not twins) died on same year of 1890 in San Francisco City, which it made sense to me. From I understand, from Los Alamos, Nora Escobar´s mother Jennie Escobar aka Joanna Silva took a first baby Nora Escobar to San Francisco City early before January,1890 when she was pregnant with second baby Nora Escobar. > > According to the San Francisco Call obituary, a second baby Nora Escobar died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City from bad milk. I believe that a first baby Nora Escobar died on May 8, 1890 in San Francsico City. There are no cemetery records found everywhere due to by fire through by earthquake or records are missing for some reasons. I will try mortuary records later. > > I learned from a curator Andrew Galvan that Records of Burials for Misión San Francisco de Asís are missing. I believe that the babies are buried there. I may be wrong. I learned that many Spanish and Portuguese who got married there in past history. Perhaps, Joana Silva and Antonio F. Escobar got married there(or in Santa Barbara County) in around 1888. > > For San Francisco City area, I have few new requests below for you, if please, would you be able to give me feedback? > > 1. Is street car standing for a cable or a train on railroad? Is that correct?> > 2. Where is an occupation record(street car) for Antonio F. Escobar on the year of 1890(maybe early in Winter, 1889)? First baby Nora Escobar was born on March 29, 1889(or May 25, 1889) in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara County. and died on May 8, 1890 in San Francisco City. A second baby Nora Escobar was born on month of June, 1890 in San Francisco City and died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City. > > A year later, Mamie Escobar aka Maymie or Maria Escobar was born on month of June, 1891 or 1892 in San Francisco City? or Sacramento. On month of January,1893, Mamie´s brother Antonio F. Escobar was born in Port Costa, California. Their parents were heading back to Los Alamos, California on month of January. On February 18, 1894, Louis Escobar was born in Los Alamos. > > Recently, I learned new information on this below. > > In the Alamos Central newspaper, A. F. Escobar, Prop worked at restaurant and lodging house for 25 cents for a meal and 25 cents for lodgings. It is on business and professional cards in the newspaper! I did not know that! In around 1900´s, he also worked for pony express for Los Alamos area. > > 3. Where did he work at for street car area?> > 4. Where are the cemetery site or Mortuary site closest by street car area? > > I need to find Nora Escobar´s cemetery site. I know it is not easy to find them somewhere in San Francisco City. I have a rare photo of Nora Escobar´s headstone, but no information is written about where burial place is. :-( BUT, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT NEW INFORMATION FROM LOS ALAMOS NEWSPAPER AT THIS MOMENT! Wait and see. I bet babies Nora Escobar are waiting for me. :-)> > Thank you very much. > > Adrienne Stefanik > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_W L_Refresh_messenger_062008 >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. 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Some nice shots of the Sutro Railroad on that site as well. Jim Mindspring wrote: >Hi All, > >My great-grandfather, John F. McClory, was a conductor on the Market Street >Railway in the early 1900's. I found that in the 1901 San Francisco >phonebook. According to the 1900 census, they rented a flat on Lyons Street. >It appears that John passed away before the 1920 census as he is not listed, >although my great-aunt, grandmother and great-uncle are listed in the >household. > >As a kid, I remember the adults referring to the streetcar as a "car," >especially the older generation. And, yes, they were single car entities - >no trains. I know that they also called elevators "cars" but that was >different, of course, especially at 450 Sutter. We lived just south of the >B Car line on Geary Street, out on 44th. A block and a half south was the C >Car line that ran out Geary, turned at 33rd and headed for the beach on >Balboa. The A Car line, I believe, ran out California at terminated at the >car barn at 32nd and Clement (my grandmother ran the small restaurant across >the street on 33rd and Clement during WWII). More than you ever wanted to >know, I'm sure. > >The only train that I know of was the train that ran out to Sutro Baths >along the Gate coastline past Baker's Beach. I believe it was called the >Sutro Railway. > >Yes, Jim, I do remember the Mission Street jitneys. My mother worked at >Nurseryman's Exchange on Howard St after WWII (after graduating from Heald >College on Van Ness) and moved with them to 6th and Bryant in the 60's. The >jitneys were a regular sight running up and down Howard St even when I was a >kid back in the 50's. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of James R. Smith >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:09 PM >To: Barb C >Cc: casanfra@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request > >Hi Adrienne, > >Street cars were single car trolleys, first horse drawn, then (and now) >electric that ran on tracks throughout the city with the exception of >the steep hills. There we used cable cars. There were a number of >competing street car companies like the Market Street Railway, >Divisidero Electric Car Line and the Municipal Railway (Muni). Now only >Muni is left & it's owned by the city. My great uncle Harry Wiles was a >Muni conductor. I have a great shot of him in his uniform. > >Go to http://www.sfpl.org/librarylocations/sfhistory/sfphoto.htm and >enter street car in the search field. > >San Francisco has a great collection of classic street cars that remain >in daily service. They also have stinky buses. > >Anybody recall the black Mission Street Jitneys? > >Jim > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Obviously I am older than dirt. I remember streetcars, cable cars, jitneys, etc. I lived on Santa Rosa Ave. and went to High School on Pine street. Every day I took a bus from San Jose Ave., transferred to a streetcar at 12th and Market, and then transferred to a cable car for the ride from Powell and Market to Pine Street. Every afternoon for four years, I did the whole thing in reverse. By the way, cable cars were a mode of transportation, not a tourist ride. There was a "car barn" on San Jose Ave. near Ocean Ave. or Geneva, a little past Balboa Park, and they sold bus tickets for students. Sixteen rides for 50 cents. Heaven help you, if you lost the ticket before all the rides were used. The driver punched a small hole in a number along the side to show it had been used. The Jitneys in our neighborhood were on Mission Street in the Excelsior district. I remember it was quite a luxury for a blue collar family member to be able to take a jitney downtown. I think it cost a quarter, or perhps less, but it was an automobile that followed a route to downtown and back, and carried perhaps six to eight people. There was also a street car, a number 40, if I a remember correctly, that went south as far as Palo Alto or Menlo Park. I "think" it might have stopped at the cemeteries, but by today's standards, it only made a few stops along the way after it left San Francisco. It was not a train though. I should mention that all this took place in 1950. Pat Our Regan Cousins: http://cousintocousin.tribalpages.com   --- On Sun, 6/22/08, James R. Smith <jim@historysmith.com> wrote: > From: James R. Smith <jim@historysmith.com> > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car Request > To: "Barb C" <calibarbi@hotmail.com> > Cc: "casanfra@rootsweb.com" <casanfra@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:09 PM > Hi Adrienne, > > Street cars were single car trolleys, first horse drawn, > then (and now) > electric that ran on tracks throughout the city with the > exception of > the steep hills. There we used cable cars. There were a > number of > competing street car companies like the Market Street > Railway, > Divisidero Electric Car Line and the Municipal Railway > (Muni). Now only > Muni is left & it's owned by the city. My great > uncle Harry Wiles was a > Muni conductor. I have a great shot of him in his uniform. > > Go to > http://www.sfpl.org/librarylocations/sfhistory/sfphoto.htm > and > enter street car in the search field. > > San Francisco has a great collection of classic street cars > that remain > in daily service. They also have stinky buses. > > Anybody recall the black Mission Street Jitneys? > > Jim > -- > > James R. Smith > > Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks > > ISBN: 1884995446 > > www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> > > > Barb C wrote: > > >Hi Adrienne... > > > >There are some really great San Francisco historian > list members here, so I have no doubt they'll have some > great information for you. However, I do know that the > 'street cars' weren't trains. When my mother > referred to 'taking a street car', she was > referring to the bus system that ran along cables. > 'Street car' may also refer to the famous cable > cars also, not sure, as I seem to remember that reference > was interchangeable with my family, yet mostly used with > the buses. > > > >My other thought is that possibly someone may have > access to an SF City Directory for your time frame of late > 1880s to early 1890s to see where your Escobar family > lived, as most personal religious events (including masses > and burials) more than likely took place near home, > probably not near work location. Also, someone may know > about street car employee listings (I wonder if he may have > been a City employee?) that might possibly be available. > There might be legal ramifications with a list like that, > if it survived the earthquake/fire, not sure of that > either. Also, I think there are water company records > available. Once you find an address(es), you might > possibly be able to obtain the water records. Then you will > have a more exact time frame. > > > >Also, you probably are aware of the burial relocations > from SF that took place in the early half of the 1900s. > You would also probably know that SFgenealogy.com has a > link or links with information about those relocations. If > you find their address, you might find a local Catholic > Church and go from there. Once you have a particular church > name or names, you may have a better chance of locating > information in the Menlo Park records that are available. > > > >Those are my thoughts... good luck... Barb > > > > > > > > > > > >>Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:10:20 -0700> From: > hattula1902@yahoo.com> To: CASANFRA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [CASANFRA] Antonio F. Escobar and a Street Car > Request> > Hi, All Sweet Listers.> > Thank you > for listening to this new request. I would like to make an > new exciting request for my great grandfather Antonio F > Escobar aka A. F. Escobar or Antone Fran De Escobar or > Antone F. Escobar below. Let me write what it says exactly > in Los Alamos Progress for Former Resident, per an item. > > > I think an item means an one information in a > small section is printed to let everyone to know. > > > Transcription:> > Will be of great interest to our > readers. Send in the names of former residents and tell us > where they are and what they are doing. )> > On > January 4, 1890, A. F. Escobar is running a street car in > San Francisco. > > Few days ago, I got a letter from > Los Alamos History Society and said to myself, > "Wow" for 2 babies Nora Escobar. In fact, two > babies(not twins) died on same year of 1890 in San > Francisco City, which it made sense to me. From I > understand, from Los Alamos, Nora Escobar´s mother Jennie > Escobar aka Joanna Silva took a first baby Nora Escobar to > San Francisco City early before January,1890 when she was > pregnant with second baby Nora Escobar. > > According > to the San Francisco Call obituary, a second baby Nora > Escobar died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City > from bad milk. I believe that a first baby Nora Escobar > died on May 8, 1890 in San Francsico City. There are no > cemetery records found everywhere due to by fire through by > earthquake or records are missing for some reasons. I will > try mortuary records later. > > I learned from a > curator Andrew Galvan that Records of Burials for Misión > San Francisco de Asís are missing. I believe that the > babies are buried there. I may be wrong. I learned that > many Spanish and Portuguese who got married there in past > history. Perhaps, Joana Silva and Antonio F. Escobar got > married there(or in Santa Barbara County) in around 1888. > > > For San Francisco City area, I have few new > requests below for you, if please, would you be able to > give me feedback? > > 1. Is street car standing for a > cable or a train on railroad? Is that correct?> > 2. > Where is an occupation record(street car) for Antonio F. > Escobar on the year of 1890(maybe early in Winter, 1889)? > First baby Nora Escobar was born on March 29, 1889(or May > 25, 1889) in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara County. and died on > May 8, 1890 in San Francisco City. A second baby Nora > Escobar was born on month of June, 1890 in San Francisco > City and died on September 29, 1890 in San Francisco City. > > > A year later, Mamie Escobar aka Maymie or Maria > Escobar was born on month of June, 1891 or 1892 in San > Francisco City? or Sacramento. On month of January,1893, > Mamie´s brother Antonio F. Escobar was born in Port Costa, > California. Their parents were heading back to Los Alamos, > California on month of January. On February 18, 1894, Louis > Escobar was born in Los Alamos. > > Recently, I > learned new information on this below. > > In the > Alamos Central newspaper, A. F. Escobar, Prop worked at > restaurant and lodging house for 25 cents for a meal and 25 > cents for lodgings. It is on business and professional cards > in the newspaper! I did not know that! In around 1900´s, he > also worked for pony express for Los Alamos area. > > > 3. Where did he work at for street car area?> > 4. > Where are the cemetery site or Mortuary site closest by > street car area? > > I need to find Nora Escobar´s > cemetery site. I know it is not easy to find them somewhere > in San Francisco City. I have a rare photo of Nora > Escobar´s headstone, but no information is written about > where burial place is. :-( BUT, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT NEW > INFORMATION FROM LOS ALAMOS NEWSPAPER AT THIS MOMENT! Wait > and see. I bet babies Nora Escobar are waiting for me. > :-)> > Thank you very much. > > Adrienne > Stefanik > > **************************> Visit > SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live > Messenger. > >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 > >************************** > >Visit SFGenealogy.com! > >http://www.sfgenealogy.com > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > James R. 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