Hi Pam, That makes sense! Where I was in the late 50's, we hiked up to Bernal Heights. Kids always head for the high ground--but not always the high road. ;o) Thanks! Jim Pamela Storm wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I grew up in the Noe Valley/Mission area, and we referred to the hills > where Diamond Heights meets Glen Park as "Red Rock". Lots of > apartments and condos there now, but there wasn't much of anything up > there in the 1960's (uh-oh...my age is showing). Lots of space for > kids to climb and explore, and we did! > > The only really "secret" thing I remember, besides it being a favorite > place to play hide and seek, is that it's where kids went to sneak > cigarettes. :-) But I'm sure it could have had lots of other "secret" > uses for kids, because it wasn't really a place many grownups had > reason to go. I'd be interested to hear other answers to your question. > > Pam > > Pamela Storm > pam@sfgenealogy.com > SFGenealogy.com www.sfgenealogy.com > > > At 01:52 PM 6/30/2008, James R. Smith wrote: > >> A friend asked me about Red Rock as follows: >> >> As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" >> which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. >> Do you >> have any recollection of this place. >> >> I've never heard of Red Rock in relation to the city. Has anyone else? >> Chuck grew up in the Mission. >> >> Thanks! >> Jim >> -- >> James R. Smith >> Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks >> ISBN: 1884995446 >> www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Hi Jim, I grew up in the Noe Valley/Mission area, and we referred to the hills where Diamond Heights meets Glen Park as "Red Rock". Lots of apartments and condos there now, but there wasn't much of anything up there in the 1960's (uh-oh...my age is showing). Lots of space for kids to climb and explore, and we did! The only really "secret" thing I remember, besides it being a favorite place to play hide and seek, is that it's where kids went to sneak cigarettes. :-) But I'm sure it could have had lots of other "secret" uses for kids, because it wasn't really a place many grownups had reason to go. I'd be interested to hear other answers to your question. Pam Pamela Storm pam@sfgenealogy.com SFGenealogy.com www.sfgenealogy.com At 01:52 PM 6/30/2008, James R. Smith wrote: >A friend asked me about Red Rock as follows: > >As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" >which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. >Do you >have any recollection of this place. > >I've never heard of Red Rock in relation to the city. Has anyone else? >Chuck grew up in the Mission. > >Thanks! >Jim >-- >James R. Smith >Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks >ISBN: 1884995446 >www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

A friend asked me about Red Rock as follows: As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. Do you have any recollection of this place. I've never heard of Red Rock in relation to the city. Has anyone else? Chuck grew up in the Mission. Thanks! Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Have you checked to see if the Mormon Church has filmed these records? You could check on-line at http://www.familysearch.org Pat ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the CASANFRA list administrator, send an email to CASANFRA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CASANFRA mailing list, send an email to CASANFRA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 100 ****************************************

Assuming the records survived the 1906 earthquake and fire, probate records would be obtained from the San Francisco Superior Court, 400 McAlister St., San Francisco, CA 94102. The cost would be 50 cents/page. Mark Lomax Pasadena, CA On 6/29/08, Nina Stull <nstull@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hello - I am trying to find probate and/or wills for brothers: > > Isaac BARNETT, d. 22 June 1901 in San > Francisco > Thomas BARNETT, d. 25 Mar 1900 in San > Francisco. > > They were merchants in early Reno, and lived later in their lives in > San Francisco. > I would appreciate any help or advice you can offer. > > My goal is to substantiate a link between these two brothers and my > grandfather, Mark J. BARNETT. I believe they were Mark's uncles. > > Thank you, > Nina Stull > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello - I am trying to find probate and/or wills for brothers: Isaac BARNETT, d. 22 June 1901 in San Francisco Thomas BARNETT, d. 25 Mar 1900 in San Francisco. They were merchants in early Reno, and lived later in their lives in San Francisco. I would appreciate any help or advice you can offer. My goal is to substantiate a link between these two brothers and my grandfather, Mark J. BARNETT. I believe they were Mark's uncles. Thank you, Nina Stull

It is available on microfilm, at the State Library in Sacramento.  Pat Our Regan Cousins: http://cousintocousin.tribalpages.com   --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Margaret Warren <maggiewarren@comcast.net> wrote: From: Margaret Warren <maggiewarren@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 To: casanfra@rootsweb.com Cc: Fontanacol@aol.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:09 PM Julie, Thanks so very much for the lead. I've put in a call to the Archdiocese Chancery Archive office in Menlo Park to see if there are any copies of the Archdiocesan newspaper (The Monitor) from back then. Thanks to your connection I found a reference to the League of the Cross Cadets in a book about San Francisco entitled, "The Public City: The Political Construction of Urban Life in San Francisco, 1850-1900," which I've ordered from Amazon. It's interesting that this organization was founded by a combination of Archbishop Riordan, Father Peter Yorke, and a man by the name of William Sullivan (a future police chief of SF) and yet the Archdiocese offices were unsure it had anything to do with them. Guess some of us are more attuned to history than others. Thanks also to Maureen as she found reference to it under Societies on sfgenealogy. I'll send an update if I come up with any other names from the organization - who knows, there may be someone else's relative(s) in these photos I have. Margaret On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Fontanacol@aol.com wrote: > Re: League of the Cross, they were a temperance league of young men, > organized by Fr. Yorke and the Archbishop. The Catholic newspaper, > The Monitor, > should have a history of the group in their archives. > Julie > > > In a message dated 6/27/2008 12:02:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > casanfra-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 (Niftynapa@aol.com) > 2. Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets (Margaret Warren) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:02:28 EDT > From: Niftynapa@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c89.2d596669.3594a714@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi > The Street Car went as far as San Mateo. I rode on it many times. >> From San Mateo south you needed to take the Greyhound Bus. > Evalou > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:06:14 -0700 > From: Margaret Warren <maggiewarren@comcast.net> > Subject: [CASANFRA] Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <79CFFD77-AB92-419D-A01B-9F1D7D52A27C@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I am trying to trace down information on an organization to which my > late father belonged. It was called either "League of the Cross > Cadets" or "League of Cross Cadets" and may have been related to the > Catholic Church. It existed in the early 1900's (I found one > newspaper article on the internet referencing the organization's > participation in a parade honoring the GAR in San Francisco on August > 18, possibly in 1903). > > My father played in the band in the organization and the drum he > played was labeled "League of the Cross Cadets San Francisco". He > was probably around 18 or maybe as old as 25 when he was a member, > which would make the year(s) of the photos around 1919-1926. The > young men appear to be in military or quasi-military uniforms and a > couple of the photos appear to have been taken on the grounds of the > Presidio (or at a place that looks similar to the SF Presidio). > > Some of the pictures are snapshots and others are photos where the > backing is a postcard - a practice that appears to have been common > in the 20's and 30's. > > Has anyone heard of this organization? Any information would be > appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Margaret > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CASANFRA list administrator, send an email to > CASANFRA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CASANFRA mailing list, send an email to > CASANFRA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 > *************************************** > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. 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Re: League of the Cross, they were a temperance league of young men, organized by Fr. Yorke and the Archbishop. The Catholic newspaper, The Monitor, should have a history of the group in their archives. Julie In a message dated 6/27/2008 12:02:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, casanfra-request@rootsweb.com writes: Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com Today's Topics: 1. Re: CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 (Niftynapa@aol.com) 2. Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets (Margaret Warren) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:02:28 EDT From: Niftynapa@aol.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 To: casanfra@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c89.2d596669.3594a714@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi The Street Car went as far as San Mateo. I rode on it many times. >From San Mateo south you needed to take the Greyhound Bus. Evalou **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:06:14 -0700 From: Margaret Warren <maggiewarren@comcast.net> Subject: [CASANFRA] Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets To: casanfra@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <79CFFD77-AB92-419D-A01B-9F1D7D52A27C@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am trying to trace down information on an organization to which my late father belonged. It was called either "League of the Cross Cadets" or "League of Cross Cadets" and may have been related to the Catholic Church. It existed in the early 1900's (I found one newspaper article on the internet referencing the organization's participation in a parade honoring the GAR in San Francisco on August 18, possibly in 1903). My father played in the band in the organization and the drum he played was labeled "League of the Cross Cadets San Francisco". He was probably around 18 or maybe as old as 25 when he was a member, which would make the year(s) of the photos around 1919-1926. The young men appear to be in military or quasi-military uniforms and a couple of the photos appear to have been taken on the grounds of the Presidio (or at a place that looks similar to the SF Presidio). Some of the pictures are snapshots and others are photos where the backing is a postcard - a practice that appears to have been common in the 20's and 30's. Has anyone heard of this organization? Any information would be appreciated. Many thanks, Margaret ------------------------------ To contact the CASANFRA list administrator, send an email to CASANFRA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CASANFRA mailing list, send an email to CASANFRA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 *************************************** **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Julie, Thanks so very much for the lead. I've put in a call to the Archdiocese Chancery Archive office in Menlo Park to see if there are any copies of the Archdiocesan newspaper (The Monitor) from back then. Thanks to your connection I found a reference to the League of the Cross Cadets in a book about San Francisco entitled, "The Public City: The Political Construction of Urban Life in San Francisco, 1850-1900," which I've ordered from Amazon. It's interesting that this organization was founded by a combination of Archbishop Riordan, Father Peter Yorke, and a man by the name of William Sullivan (a future police chief of SF) and yet the Archdiocese offices were unsure it had anything to do with them. Guess some of us are more attuned to history than others. Thanks also to Maureen as she found reference to it under Societies on sfgenealogy. I'll send an update if I come up with any other names from the organization - who knows, there may be someone else's relative(s) in these photos I have. Margaret On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Fontanacol@aol.com wrote: > Re: League of the Cross, they were a temperance league of young men, > organized by Fr. Yorke and the Archbishop. The Catholic newspaper, > The Monitor, > should have a history of the group in their archives. > Julie > > > In a message dated 6/27/2008 12:02:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > casanfra-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 (Niftynapa@aol.com) > 2. Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets (Margaret Warren) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:02:28 EDT > From: Niftynapa@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95 > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c89.2d596669.3594a714@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi > The Street Car went as far as San Mateo. I rode on it many times. >> From San Mateo south you needed to take the Greyhound Bus. > Evalou > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:06:14 -0700 > From: Margaret Warren <maggiewarren@comcast.net> > Subject: [CASANFRA] Old Organization - League of Cross Cadets > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <79CFFD77-AB92-419D-A01B-9F1D7D52A27C@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I am trying to trace down information on an organization to which my > late father belonged. It was called either "League of the Cross > Cadets" or "League of Cross Cadets" and may have been related to the > Catholic Church. It existed in the early 1900's (I found one > newspaper article on the internet referencing the organization's > participation in a parade honoring the GAR in San Francisco on August > 18, possibly in 1903). > > My father played in the band in the organization and the drum he > played was labeled "League of the Cross Cadets San Francisco". He > was probably around 18 or maybe as old as 25 when he was a member, > which would make the year(s) of the photos around 1919-1926. The > young men appear to be in military or quasi-military uniforms and a > couple of the photos appear to have been taken on the grounds of the > Presidio (or at a place that looks similar to the SF Presidio). > > Some of the pictures are snapshots and others are photos where the > backing is a postcard - a practice that appears to have been common > in the 20's and 30's. > > Has anyone heard of this organization? Any information would be > appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Margaret > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CASANFRA list administrator, send an email to > CASANFRA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CASANFRA mailing list, send an email to > CASANFRA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CASANFRA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 98 > *************************************** > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used? > ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to trace down information on an organization to which my late father belonged. It was called either "League of the Cross Cadets" or "League of Cross Cadets" and may have been related to the Catholic Church. It existed in the early 1900's (I found one newspaper article on the internet referencing the organization's participation in a parade honoring the GAR in San Francisco on August 18, possibly in 1903). My father played in the band in the organization and the drum he played was labeled "League of the Cross Cadets San Francisco". He was probably around 18 or maybe as old as 25 when he was a member, which would make the year(s) of the photos around 1919-1926. The young men appear to be in military or quasi-military uniforms and a couple of the photos appear to have been taken on the grounds of the Presidio (or at a place that looks similar to the SF Presidio). Some of the pictures are snapshots and others are photos where the backing is a postcard - a practice that appears to have been common in the 20's and 30's. Has anyone heard of this organization? Any information would be appreciated. Many thanks, Margaret

Hi The Street Car went as far as San Mateo. I rode on it many times. >From San Mateo south you needed to take the Greyhound Bus. Evalou **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I received a letter today from Calvin Tilden, President of the Society of California Pioneers. Excerpts: ----------------- "Currently, the nonprofit sector is experiencing difficult times as charitable contributions are down. The museum community is appears to be affected more than it share... The Society included. Our Board has reached a most difficult decision that it must take immediate action to bring costs more in line with current resources. Temporary reductions in staff levels have been initiated. Other budget cuts are in the process of being made.., And finally, we will be closing Pioneer Hall on Mondays... If you know of potential funding source for Pioneer Hall, our library, and /or ongoing programs please contact our Executive Director, Peter Flagg." 415-957-1849 Thank you, Cal www.californiapioneers.org

Jon... It's faster and more reliable to go in person. It takes about an hour, sometimes less. Depends on how many are there at the time. Death certificates are $12. San Francisco Public Health doesn't require the State file #; as a matter of fact, they get riled if it's used! Good luck... Barb Jon asked: > Is it faster or more reliable to go in person to the SF Dept. of> Health to request this record? That's one reason for my request here> -- to ask if someone could physically go there (maybe as part of other> research they are doing) to ask for the record. _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i’m Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving

Regarding the SF Library searching the San Francisco Chronicle and San Francisco Examiner, it is a wonderful service to be sure, and free at that!  I have used it many times and am delighted it is available to us.   However, for those who might not be aware, there were other newspapers during the years mentioned including the Call Bulletin/Daily Morning Call.  For a somewhat later time period, there was the San Francisco News (which seemed to be the favorite place for obits for many of the Irish in my family).   A RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness) volunteer might be available to check the different papers.   Hope this helps,   Pat Our Regan Cousins: http://cousintocousin.tribalpages.com   --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Jon Noring <jon@noring.name> wrote: From: Jon Noring <jon@noring.name> Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Need help with researching a SF resident who died 1939 To: casanfra@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:16 AM Barb asked: > Do you have a death notice or obituary for him from any San > Francisco newspapers? This could be confirmation for you. The SF > Public Library has an obituary service, where they will send an obit > (if they have it) in an SAS envelope included with the original > request. There are stipulations. Here's their website and mailing > address: >   > http://sfpl.lib.ca.us/librarylocations/main/obits.htm >   > Obituary Requests > Magazines and Newspapers Center > San Francisco Public Library > 100 Larkin Street > San Francisco, CA 94102 Sorry, I should have noted in my original message that the SF Public LIbrary searched through the SF Chronicle/Examiner for the period 09 to 18 Nov 1939 for a death notice/obit for Frank "Harry" Kirby and found nothing. This does not mean the newspaper record is not there, but that it wasn't found. It would not surprise me if there is no death record/notice in the newspaper. He apparently had a rough life and so at death there may not have been anyone interested in submitting a death notice to the newspapers. > Also, the unknown 'x' digit for the State file # looks like a > '2'.  If you end up needing to send to the State for the death > certificate, you might be able to confirm at a local library (if > you're in CA) or at a local LDS Family History Center by checking > out the CA Death Index microfilm page and enlarging it. Well, I live near to Salt Lake City, so definitely I need to look at the index at the FHL to get the correct number. Someone else wrote me and confirmed that the missing digit is probably "2". > I've done it myself and it worked for me.  The City and County of San > Francisco Dept of Health takes all of 3 months (plus!) to return > vital documents by mail.  The State website says they're even longer > if you go through them. Is it faster or more reliable to go in person to the SF Dept. of Health to request this record? That's one reason for my request here -- to ask if someone could physically go there (maybe as part of other research they are doing) to ask for the record. I find when done by mail things are not only slow but may not work well since one cannot interact with the person at the archive. For example, the issue of what exactly is the correct file #. Plus there may be indexes searchable by the walk-in (some places allow this for older records) to expedite matters. Anyone here confirm that a walk-in could get faster service and/or it works out better? Thanks! Jon ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb asked: > Do you have a death notice or obituary for him from any San > Francisco newspapers? This could be confirmation for you. The SF > Public Library has an obituary service, where they will send an obit > (if they have it) in an SAS envelope included with the original > request. There are stipulations. Here's their website and mailing > address: >   > http://sfpl.lib.ca.us/librarylocations/main/obits.htm >   > Obituary Requests > Magazines and Newspapers Center > San Francisco Public Library > 100 Larkin Street > San Francisco, CA 94102 Sorry, I should have noted in my original message that the SF Public LIbrary searched through the SF Chronicle/Examiner for the period 09 to 18 Nov 1939 for a death notice/obit for Frank "Harry" Kirby and found nothing. This does not mean the newspaper record is not there, but that it wasn't found. It would not surprise me if there is no death record/notice in the newspaper. He apparently had a rough life and so at death there may not have been anyone interested in submitting a death notice to the newspapers. > Also, the unknown 'x' digit for the State file # looks like a > '2'.  If you end up needing to send to the State for the death > certificate, you might be able to confirm at a local library (if > you're in CA) or at a local LDS Family History Center by checking > out the CA Death Index microfilm page and enlarging it. Well, I live near to Salt Lake City, so definitely I need to look at the index at the FHL to get the correct number. Someone else wrote me and confirmed that the missing digit is probably "2". > I've done it myself and it worked for me.  The City and County of San > Francisco Dept of Health takes all of 3 months (plus!) to return > vital documents by mail.  The State website says they're even longer > if you go through them. Is it faster or more reliable to go in person to the SF Dept. of Health to request this record? That's one reason for my request here -- to ask if someone could physically go there (maybe as part of other research they are doing) to ask for the record. I find when done by mail things are not only slow but may not work well since one cannot interact with the person at the archive. For example, the issue of what exactly is the correct file #. Plus there may be indexes searchable by the walk-in (some places allow this for older records) to expedite matters. Anyone here confirm that a walk-in could get faster service and/or it works out better? Thanks! Jon

Hi Jon... Do you have a death notice or obituary for him from any San Francisco newspapers? This could be confirmation for you. The SF Public Library has an obituary service, where they will send an obit (if they have it) in an SAS envelope included with the original request. There are stipulations. Here's their website and mailing address: http://sfpl.lib.ca.us/librarylocations/main/obits.htm Obituary RequestsMagazines and Newspapers CenterSan Francisco Public Library100 Larkin StreetSan Francisco, CA 94102 Also, the unknown 'x' digit for the State file # looks like a '2'. If you end up needing to send to the State for the death certificate, you might be able to confirm at a local library (if you're in CA) or at a local LDS Family History Center by checking out the CA Death Index microfilm page and enlarging it. I've done it myself and it worked for me. The City and County of San Francisco Dept of Health takes all of 3 months (plus!) to return vital documents by mail. The State website says they're even longer if you go through them. Good Luck... Barb > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:55:39 -0600> From: jon@noring.name> To: casanfra@rootsweb.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] Need help with researching a SF resident who died 1939> > I am researching a Frank Henry ("Harry") Kirby, born October 1864 in> Bedford, Pennsylvania. Sometime around the early 1900's he moved to> Los Angeles, and then in the early 'teens he moved to San Francisco.> He is shown in the 1920 Census, married to "Jennie L.". I have strong> reason to believe the following death information is his:> > "Frank Kirby, age 75, died 11/8/1939 in county 90 (San Francisco),> state file # (39) 7067x (where "x" digit cannot be read.) It has> spouse initials of "J W".> > I've hit the end-of-the-line with respect to ancestry.com and the> various indexes it contains (Census, voter records, etc.)> > I'm hoping to get his state death record, where he is buried, info> about his wife (he seems to have been estranged or divorced from her> by the mid-20's), any children with her and descendents, etc.> > So, I'm looking for anyone here who is SF-based who may be able to> help me dig up more information.> > Thanks!> > Jon Noring> > > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008

I am researching a Frank Henry ("Harry") Kirby, born October 1864 in Bedford, Pennsylvania. Sometime around the early 1900's he moved to Los Angeles, and then in the early 'teens he moved to San Francisco. He is shown in the 1920 Census, married to "Jennie L.". I have strong reason to believe the following death information is his: "Frank Kirby, age 75, died 11/8/1939 in county 90 (San Francisco), state file # (39) 7067x (where "x" digit cannot be read.) It has spouse initials of "J W". I've hit the end-of-the-line with respect to ancestry.com and the various indexes it contains (Census, voter records, etc.) I'm hoping to get his state death record, where he is buried, info about his wife (he seems to have been estranged or divorced from her by the mid-20's), any children with her and descendents, etc. So, I'm looking for anyone here who is SF-based who may be able to help me dig up more information. Thanks! Jon Noring

from the funeral parlors of Samuel McFadden, 1070 Haight street; thence to St. Patrick's Church ... from the residence funeral parlors of Samuel McFadden, 1070 Haight st.,near Baker; thence to St. Agnes Church At 06:15 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote: >Both Charles McFadden and Samuel McFadden were undertakers! > >At 05:15 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote: >>No such luck. It says only the one word, McFadden. >> >>--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Maureen Mroczek Morris <maureenm@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> > >> > From: Maureen Mroczek Morris <maureenm@sbcglobal.net> >> > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] McFadden Mortuary? >> > To: "John Flora" <profamhistserv@yahoo.com> >> > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:12 PM >> > >> > Hmm. That may be a person rather than a mortuary. I'll check the >> > directories. Does it give an address?

Does anyone know what became of the records for the McFadden Funeral Home? I've checked sfgenealogy.com's page about mortuaries/funeral homes, and they're not mentioned .. but I can't find them as being currently active either. Am I missing something? John

Has anyone had experience with World Vital Records.com ? Thank You.