Mayor John W. Geary had a distinguished career after he left SF, as you all know. Little known perhaps is that a county in Kansas is named after him; recognition of him as Territorial Gov of KS. http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/geary/ Lots of info and a great picture of him in his Civil War uniform. Bill

Tessi, I appreciate the links. " Franciscan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_Assemblage>" chert <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chert> - it's nice to know the nomenclature of that red rock we grew up with. I like to put names on thing & am always looking for sources of names for our native geology, insects and plants. I never thought of Wikipedia as a source for those. Thanks, Jim Tessi wrote: >ooops forgot this one >http://www.nps.gov/glca/historyculture/index.htm > > >On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, James R. Smith <jim@historysmith.com> wrote: > > > >>Here's Chuck's response. He's a kid who grew up in the Mission and is >>also an author. I'm tickled that he's using our home area for the >>setting of his book. Can anyone describe the area in the early 50s? >>Sounds like fun! >> >>Thanks! >>Jim >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Red Rock & Glen Park >>Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:00:35 +0000 >>From: grandkee70@comcast.net >>To: jim@historysmith.com >> >> >> >>Thank you all for the nostalgic information you sent me. I have a couple >>of questions about this area that one of you may be able to help me >>with. I've learned it was part of or next to the Glen Park region and it >>was near 29th and Diamond Streets. Was there actually a large red rock >>at Red Rock? What was the place like, i.e. view, environment and >>especially what kind of trees were there if any. >> >>If you're curious, this is for a scene in a middle-grade fantasy >>adventure novel. >>Charles >> >> >>-- >> >>James R. Smith >> >>Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks >> >>ISBN: 1884995446 >> >>www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----------------------------------------- >>Visit: >>NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Eyvonne/norcallib.html> >>NORCAL Genealogy Resource Center >>http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/resourcecenter/toc.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Visit: >NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html >NORCAL Genealogy Resource Center http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/resourcecenter/toc.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Hi, Interesting to here that SP was in the Clock tower, I never knew that. My grandfather whom died before I was born worked for SP Co. from the 1919-1945+ in SF. He worked as a Clerk, Secretary, City Freight Agent and a General Agent in SF. Not sure past 1945 because he traveled to Chicago back and fourth. Is there any good info to be found there? My gf name was Irving W. Condon b. 1900. I do have a pretty good timeline of City Directories and Censuses but I'd love to find more info if I thought there was some there! I just learned something else new & interesting about the Clock Tower. I just found out my ggf on my dad's side came her from MN to help to help fix the clock (he was an electrician) from Minneapolis, Minnesota after the 1906 earthquake. To me this was so interesting because my mom's whole four sides of her family came to SF from 1860-1880's and I've been doing all this research on them and to find out another one of my ggf was in SF well I think that was really cool! (That was just told to me from a cousin in MN this summer) If anyone has anything to add I'd love to hear it! Thanks, Cathie NOTE: I have a new email mankzcat@gmail.com (same first part different ending)

Fantastic Pam, you guys & the SFGenealogy volunteers have been busy. Thanks! Jim Pamela Storm wrote: >Greetings Everyone! > >Here's an update on what we've added in May and June at SFGenealogy.com: >www.sfgenealogy.com > >The primary purpose and highest priority of SFGenealogy.com is to provide >FREE Internet access to genealogical and historical information for the >City and County of San Francisco and the surrounding communities in the SF >Bay Area. > >New volunteers and material are always welcome! Visit our "Help Wanted" >page to see how you might help! www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfwantad.htm > >We sincerely thank everyone who has submitted material to share and those >who offer lookups for other researchers. > >Enjoy! > >Pam and Ron > >Pamela Storm and Ron Filion >SFGenealogy.com www.sfgenealogy.com >================================== > >***NEW SITE*** "California Bound" by John >Ireland http://www.sfgenealogy.com/californiabound/cbindex.htm > >============================ > >SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY > >History: >Smith Travel Diary, 1854 >San Francisco Naval Shipyard, Hunter's Point, 1962 street map > >Databases: >Union Boys' School Graduates, 1870 >Girls' High School Graduates and Faculty of June 1927 >Girls' High School Graduates of 1930 by Vicky Walker >Girls' High School Faculty, June 1930 by Vicky Walker >College of Physicians & Surgeons School of Dentistry, Class of 1956 > >Lookup Offers: >1916 and 1932 telephone and city directories by Nancy Pratt Melton >Polytechnic High School yearbook, June 1934 by Dennis Haughey >Polytechnic High School yearbook, January 1936 by Dennis Haughey >Presentation High School yearbooks, 1958, 1962, 1964 by Dennis Haughey >St. Ignatius High School yearbooks, 1962-65 by Dennis Haughey > >New Links: >Welcome Home 363d Infantry & Kinfolk Division, 1919 at Golden Nugget Library >The Infant Shelter in the City of San Francisco at Golden Nugget Library > >and 124 Historic Newspaper Vital Records by Steve Harrison, Tim Holl, Betty >Loose, Billie Reynolds & Dee Sardoch > >========================= > >ALAMEDA COUNTY > >Willard Elementary School Class of 1919 >Garfield School 9th Grade Graduates, 1919 >Lookup Offer: 1916 Telephone Directory >Link: The Cry of the West Religious Freedom for African Americans, 1925 at >Golden Nugget Library > >========================= > >MARIN COUNTY > >Dominican College, 1962 by Cathy Gowdy >San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1940 by Cathy Gowdy > >========================= > >SAN MATEO COUNTY > >San Mateo County Marriages, 1853-1965 Index by SMCGS >San Mateo County Patent Books (One to Three) Index by SMCGS >San Mateo County Miscellaneous Land Records Index by SMCGS >Jefferson High School (Daly City), Graduates and Underclassmen, 1954 >Jefferson High School (Daly City), Graduates and Underclassmen, 1956 >Bayside Middle School Faculty & Students, 1971 >South San Francisco High School Sophomore Class of 1972 > >========================== > >SANTA CLARA COUNTY > >1875 Santa Clara County Directory (images) >San Jose High School Class of 1901 >Link: Saratoga IOOF Cemetery Tombstone Photos by Harwood G. Kolsky & S.C. >Co. Hist. & Genealogical Soc. > >========================= > >SANTA CRUZ COUNTY > >1875 Santa Cruz County Directory (images) >First Congregation Church Members of 50 Years' Standing, 1917 > >========================= > >CAL DATA NOOK > >Loyola High School (Los Angeles) Graduates and Underclassmen, 1925 >Loyola College of Arts & Sciences (Los Angeles) Faculty and Students, 1925 >Polytechnic High School (Riverside) Senior Class of 1954 >=========================== > >ENJOY !!!! > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Visit: >NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html >NORCAL Genealogy Resource Center http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/resourcecenter/toc.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Great photo Doug. Thanks! Jim Doug Urbanus wrote: > > http://www.zenzero.com/sfca/ > > > >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Greetings Everyone! Here's an update on what we've added in May and June at SFGenealogy.com: www.sfgenealogy.com The primary purpose and highest priority of SFGenealogy.com is to provide FREE Internet access to genealogical and historical information for the City and County of San Francisco and the surrounding communities in the SF Bay Area. New volunteers and material are always welcome! Visit our "Help Wanted" page to see how you might help! www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfwantad.htm We sincerely thank everyone who has submitted material to share and those who offer lookups for other researchers. Enjoy! Pam and Ron Pamela Storm and Ron Filion SFGenealogy.com www.sfgenealogy.com ================================== ***NEW SITE*** "California Bound" by John Ireland http://www.sfgenealogy.com/californiabound/cbindex.htm ============================ SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY History: Smith Travel Diary, 1854 San Francisco Naval Shipyard, Hunter's Point, 1962 street map Databases: Union Boys' School Graduates, 1870 Girls' High School Graduates and Faculty of June 1927 Girls' High School Graduates of 1930 by Vicky Walker Girls' High School Faculty, June 1930 by Vicky Walker College of Physicians & Surgeons School of Dentistry, Class of 1956 Lookup Offers: 1916 and 1932 telephone and city directories by Nancy Pratt Melton Polytechnic High School yearbook, June 1934 by Dennis Haughey Polytechnic High School yearbook, January 1936 by Dennis Haughey Presentation High School yearbooks, 1958, 1962, 1964 by Dennis Haughey St. Ignatius High School yearbooks, 1962-65 by Dennis Haughey New Links: Welcome Home 363d Infantry & Kinfolk Division, 1919 at Golden Nugget Library The Infant Shelter in the City of San Francisco at Golden Nugget Library and 124 Historic Newspaper Vital Records by Steve Harrison, Tim Holl, Betty Loose, Billie Reynolds & Dee Sardoch ========================= ALAMEDA COUNTY Willard Elementary School Class of 1919 Garfield School 9th Grade Graduates, 1919 Lookup Offer: 1916 Telephone Directory Link: The Cry of the West Religious Freedom for African Americans, 1925 at Golden Nugget Library ========================= MARIN COUNTY Dominican College, 1962 by Cathy Gowdy San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1940 by Cathy Gowdy ========================= SAN MATEO COUNTY San Mateo County Marriages, 1853-1965 Index by SMCGS San Mateo County Patent Books (One to Three) Index by SMCGS San Mateo County Miscellaneous Land Records Index by SMCGS Jefferson High School (Daly City), Graduates and Underclassmen, 1954 Jefferson High School (Daly City), Graduates and Underclassmen, 1956 Bayside Middle School Faculty & Students, 1971 South San Francisco High School Sophomore Class of 1972 ========================== SANTA CLARA COUNTY 1875 Santa Clara County Directory (images) San Jose High School Class of 1901 Link: Saratoga IOOF Cemetery Tombstone Photos by Harwood G. Kolsky & S.C. Co. Hist. & Genealogical Soc. ========================= SANTA CRUZ COUNTY 1875 Santa Cruz County Directory (images) First Congregation Church Members of 50 Years' Standing, 1917 ========================= CAL DATA NOOK Loyola High School (Los Angeles) Graduates and Underclassmen, 1925 Loyola College of Arts & Sciences (Los Angeles) Faculty and Students, 1925 Polytechnic High School (Riverside) Senior Class of 1954 =========================== ENJOY !!!!

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Here's Chuck's response. He's a kid who grew up in the Mission and is also an author. I'm tickled that he's using our home area for the setting of his book. Can anyone describe the area in the early 50s? Sounds like fun! Thanks! Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Red Rock & Glen Park Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:00:35 +0000 From: grandkee70@comcast.net To: jim@historysmith.com Thank you all for the nostalgic information you sent me. I have a couple of questions about this area that one of you may be able to help me with. I've learned it was part of or next to the Glen Park region and it was near 29th and Diamond Streets. Was there actually a large red rock at Red Rock? What was the place like, i.e. view, environment and especially what kind of trees were there if any. If you're curious, this is for a scene in a middle-grade fantasy adventure novel. Charles -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Hi Carolyn, Two clock towers? I didn't know about that one--only the Ferry Building. Too cool. Long time - hope all is well, Jim carolyn wrote: > http://www.sfmuseum.net/hist1/schmidt.html > > My Uncle, Charlie Reese, worked for Schmidt Lithography most of his > adult life- This was housed in the building with the Clock....Above > link is to a website with photo and history > > Best, Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hamid" <sweeth2o1@gmail.com> > To: "'James R. Smith'" <jim@historysmith.com>; <casanfra@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Southern Pacific > > >> Yes that is the clock tower. Is it still there? >> >> >> >> Linda Hamid >> >> Sweetwater Poultry >> >> email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com >> >> web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us >> >> _____ >> >> From: James R. Smith [mailto:jim@historysmith.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:20 AM >> To: Linda Hamid >> Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Southern Pacific >> >> >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> The SP building was at 65 Market St. & just east of it was the Ferry >> Bldg >> with SF's most famous clock. >> >> I attached a shot of the Ferry Building (1939) and the SP Building >> (1958) >> with the annotation.. >> >> Newscopy: "BLIGHT AT FOOT OF MARKET--Here is a view looking from the >> freeway >> towards the Southern Pacific Building in the background showing three >> blocks >> of blighted, dilapidated buildings scheduled to be replaced with >> four-acre >> Ferry Building Park if voters approve Proposition C on November ballot." >> >> Have a great 4th! >> Jim >> >> Linda Hamid wrote: >> >> >> >> Barbara, >> >> >> >> My dad worked for SP too. He died in the SP hospital in SF. I was >> born in >> mid-50's. I remember going to the office with him a few times. It was >> near >> the big clock. What location is that? I believe the clock is still >> there. >> >> >> >> Linda Hamid >> >> Sweetwater Poultry >> >> email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> >> sweeth2o1@gmail.com >> >> web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us >> >> >> >> >> >> I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your >> pictures >> and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father worked for S.P. >> almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of that building on >> Market >> Street. Could you or someone give me direction on where I might find >> such a >> photo? Thanks. >> >> >> >> Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here! >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************** >> Visit SFGenealogy.com! >> http://www.sfgenealogy.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> James R. Smith >> >> Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks >> >> ISBN: 1884995446 >> >> <http://www.historysmith.com/> www.HistorySmith.com >> >> >> >> ************************** >> Visit SFGenealogy.com! >> http://www.sfgenealogy.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

http://www.sfmuseum.net/hist1/schmidt.html My Uncle, Charlie Reese, worked for Schmidt Lithography most of his adult life- This was housed in the building with the Clock....Above link is to a website with photo and history Best, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hamid" <sweeth2o1@gmail.com> To: "'James R. Smith'" <jim@historysmith.com>; <casanfra@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Southern Pacific > Yes that is the clock tower. Is it still there? > > > > Linda Hamid > > Sweetwater Poultry > > email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com > > web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us > > _____ > > From: James R. Smith [mailto:jim@historysmith.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:20 AM > To: Linda Hamid > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Southern Pacific > > > > Hi Linda, > > The SP building was at 65 Market St. & just east of it was the Ferry Bldg > with SF's most famous clock. > > I attached a shot of the Ferry Building (1939) and the SP Building (1958) > with the annotation.. > > Newscopy: "BLIGHT AT FOOT OF MARKET--Here is a view looking from the > freeway > towards the Southern Pacific Building in the background showing three > blocks > of blighted, dilapidated buildings scheduled to be replaced with four-acre > Ferry Building Park if voters approve Proposition C on November ballot." > > Have a great 4th! > Jim > > Linda Hamid wrote: > > > > Barbara, > > > > My dad worked for SP too. He died in the SP hospital in SF. I was born in > mid-50's. I remember going to the office with him a few times. It was near > the big clock. What location is that? I believe the clock is still > there. > > > > Linda Hamid > > Sweetwater Poultry > > email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> > sweeth2o1@gmail.com > > web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us > > > > > > I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your pictures > and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father worked for S.P. > almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of that building on > Market > Street. Could you or someone give me direction on where I might find such > a > photo? Thanks. > > > > Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here! > > > > > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > > James R. Smith > > Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks > > ISBN: 1884995446 > > <http://www.historysmith.com/> www.HistorySmith.com > > > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes that is the clock tower. Is it still there? Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us _____ From: James R. Smith [mailto:jim@historysmith.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:20 AM To: Linda Hamid Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Southern Pacific Hi Linda, The SP building was at 65 Market St. & just east of it was the Ferry Bldg with SF's most famous clock. I attached a shot of the Ferry Building (1939) and the SP Building (1958) with the annotation.. Newscopy: "BLIGHT AT FOOT OF MARKET--Here is a view looking from the freeway towards the Southern Pacific Building in the background showing three blocks of blighted, dilapidated buildings scheduled to be replaced with four-acre Ferry Building Park if voters approve Proposition C on November ballot." Have a great 4th! Jim Linda Hamid wrote: Barbara, My dad worked for SP too. He died in the SP hospital in SF. I was born in mid-50's. I remember going to the office with him a few times. It was near the big clock. What location is that? I believe the clock is still there. Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your pictures and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father worked for S.P. almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of that building on Market Street. Could you or someone give me direction on where I might find such a photo? Thanks. Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here! ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 <http://www.historysmith.com/> www.HistorySmith.com

Barbara, My dad worked for SP too. He died in the SP hospital in SF. I was born in mid-50's. I remember going to the office with him a few times. It was near the big clock. What location is that? I believe the clock is still there. Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your pictures and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father worked for S.P. almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of that building on Market Street. Could you or someone give me direction on where I might find such a photo? Thanks. Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here!

Hi barbara, Key "Southern Pacific" Market into the keyword field at http://sflib1.sfpl.org:82/search. There are two nice photos there. Steeplejack Ralph Clark dangling from the roof of the Southern Pacific Building at 65 Market Street - 1951 Market Street at the Embarcadero - 1958 Jim Barbara Keller wrote: >Bill, > >I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your >pictures and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father >worked for S.P. almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of >that building on Market Street. Could you or someone give me >direction on where I might find such a photo? Thanks. > >Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here! > >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

I am sure you are right but he was an officer of SP and worked at Headquarters on Market. Barbara

Bill, I was born in San Francisco in the mid 1930's and so some of your pictures and narrative have great meaning to me. Since my father worked for S.P. almost 50 years I have a desire to find a picture of that building on Market Street. Could you or someone give me direction on where I might find such a photo? Thanks. Barbara (Carmel Valley, CA) a little smoky here!

You old timers have probable read my stuff, but for new viewers here are my memories of SF in the 1930s... From Sutro Baths to the Crystal Palace Market and in-between. Bill http://americahurrah.com/SanFrancisco/Memories/sfmemMenul.htm

Like Pam, I grew up in Noe Valley in the 1960s, and what she says is my memory of playing on Red Rock Hill.  Another part of the story is that during heavy rains, occasionally there would be minor floods sweeping down from that area, with red mud.  We lived on Army Street between Church and Dolores, with below-grade garages, and so they would flood.  My Mom learned to open the garage doors as well as the door in the back leading to our backyard and the water would just flow through with no harm done except for the residue.   Judy --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Pamela Storm <pam@sfgenealogy.com> wrote: From: Pamela Storm <pam@sfgenealogy.com> Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Red Rock - San Francisco To: "James R. Smith" <jim@historysmith.com>, "SF Genealogy" <casanfra@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 7:40 PM Hi Jim, I grew up in the Noe Valley/Mission area, and we referred to the hills where Diamond Heights meets Glen Park as "Red Rock". Lots of apartments and condos there now, but there wasn't much of anything up there in the 1960's (uh-oh...my age is showing). Lots of space for kids to climb and explore, and we did! The only really "secret" thing I remember, besides it being a favorite place to play hide and seek, is that it's where kids went to sneak cigarettes. :-) But I'm sure it could have had lots of other "secret" uses for kids, because it wasn't really a place many grownups had reason to go. I'd be interested to hear other answers to your question. Pam Pamela Storm pam@sfgenealogy.com SFGenealogy.com www.sfgenealogy.com At 01:52 PM 6/30/2008, James R. Smith wrote: >A friend asked me about Red Rock as follows: > >As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" >which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. >Do you >have any recollection of this place. > >I've never heard of Red Rock in relation to the city. Has anyone else? >Chuck grew up in the Mission. > >Thanks! >Jim >-- >James R. Smith >Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks >ISBN: 1884995446 >www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I grew up in the 1930s at Hermann and Fillmore. A few blocks away at Hermann and Laguna was a large hill that is now the site of the Mint. But in those days at the top of the hill were the ruins of a Spring Valley Water Company building. It was brick with a maze of shattered rooms. We called it "The Fort." and played cops and robbers. Facing Duboce Street the hill sloped downward and was covered with wild grass. We used to take large pieces of cardboard, sit on them and coast down the hill at high speed. The only problem was we had no way of stopping and sometimes we coasted onto the street. There were very few autos in those days but the N car line was a hazard. There was another problem on the hill. It was covered with Poison Oak and once "heeding the call of nature" I got the worst case of poison oak on a part of my body I will leave you to guess. Bill

<As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. Do you have any recollection of this place.> Yes, I remember the place! It was above Diamond and 29th street in the Glen Park area In the early 40's there was some kind of Military thing there. May have been a lookout station or something like that. We would sneak up and play there. I lived on 29th just below Diamond. Evalou **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Red Rock Hill is where we used to fly kites as kids. The present day name of the neighborhood is Diamond Heights but I believe there is a Red Rock street that circles around in that neighborhood. Linda -----Original Message----- From: casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:casanfra-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James R. Smith Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:52 PM To: SF Genealogy Subject: [CASANFRA] Red Rock - San Francisco A friend asked me about Red Rock as follows: As a kid, growing up in SF, I remember a lot of talk about "red rock" which was discussed in hushed tones, like it was a secret place to meet. Do you have any recollection of this place. I've never heard of Red Rock in relation to the city. Has anyone else? Chuck grew up in the Mission. Thanks! Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/> ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message