Hi all, Looking for the url, hopefully they are available, of the passenger lists for 1855 from Panama for James & Patrick Monahan/Monihan.? Both are listed in the Native Daughters of the Golden West org.? Both are listed in the 1860 census being from Ireland.? The father, Patrick Monihan, is listed in the 1870 census.? But don't know how he entered CA,? .... via Panama also? And while I have your attention......... James Monahan b. 1832, in the 1870 census for Placer Co. CA ?states he is a Citizen......... where would the records be for him?? Would this be in San Francisco?? Placer county has no records for citizenship. Beth

Beth... If you can find him listed as a registered voter where you know he lived, you might be able to find out when and where he was naturalized. I'll look for their immigration and get back to you. Good luck... Barb > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com; CASANFRA@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:07:13 -0400> From: glassbybeth@aol.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] Passenger Lists & Citizenship Records> > Hi all,> > Looking for the url, hopefully they are available, of the passenger lists for 1855 from Panama for James & Patrick Monahan/Monihan.? Both are listed in the Native Daughters of the Golden West org.? Both are listed in the 1860 census being from Ireland.? > > The father, Patrick Monihan, is listed in the 1870 census.? But don't know how he entered CA,? .... via Panama also?> > And while I have your attention.........> > James Monahan b. 1832, in the 1870 census for Placer Co. CA ?states he is a Citizen......... where would the records be for him?? Would this be in San Francisco?? Placer county has no records for citizenship.> > Beth > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008

Hi, On the Sanborn Maps, the first step should be to check the Streets Index for each Volume to find the correct Map Sheet for your street. In this case, it was in Volume 1, and it looks like the even side of Commercial street is on Map Sheet 6. So, if you look at that sheet, unit 24 shows up at about half down down from Drumm towards East St. (now Embarcardero), on the north side. It was a two-story building with a Cooperage (wine barrels?). Perhaps they lived up-stairs? If you checked a City Directory, you can usually determine the cross-streets too. In this case, in the 1890 City Directory (http://www.sfgenealogy.com/php/1890.php), you can see that the even numbered units were on the North Side of the block, and 24 would be between East and Drumm streets. On a current map, you can see it is now probably part of 4 Embarcadero Center, near Justin Herman Plaza. How cool! Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: "A. Stefanik" <hattula1902@yahoo.com> > Subject: [CASANFRA] Feedback 24 Commercial > To: CASANFRA@rootsweb.com > > To: Listers, > > I am writing about map 1890 subject for San Francisco.? I need exact location where my great grandfather Antonio F. De Escobar and his family?s residence address at 24 Commercial.... > > Reference: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sanborn/sanborn.htm? > I studied at map at first.? I was not sure about what 24 means.? It > looks like a block number for that year of 1890. > It was disappearing > in late 1900?s because that street is not on some of old maps.? There > is no 24 on some of old maps, either.? I found Commercial St on sheet 14 which > is showing 21.? So, it means that 21 starts numbers in order like 22, > 23, 24.... Am I right?? I am little bit confused. > <snipped> > >

To: Listers, I am writing about map 1890 subject for San Francisco.  I need exact location where my great grandfather Antonio F. De Escobar and his family´s residence address at 24 Commercial.... Reference: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sanborn/sanborn.htm  I studied at map at first.  I was not sure about what 24 means.  It looks like a block number for that year of 1890. It was disappearing in late 1900´s because that street is not on some of old maps.  There is no 24 on some of old maps, either.  I found Commercial St on sheet 14 which is showing 21.  So, it means that 21 starts numbers in order like 22, 23, 24.... Am I right?  I am little bit confused. Later, I looked at current map again and narrowed down where it is.  I finally found Commercial St. nearby Clay St. and Sacramento area.  It is showing large numbers* on the list below for Commercial St currently.  There is no 24 on Commercial street.  I am assuming that 24 is no longer for current street.  Was Antonio F. Escobar living on that street currently with his family in 1890´s? http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=San+Francisco+&state=CA&address=Commercial+St    1.       *[400-499] Commercial St       San Francisco, CA 94111           * Map           * Directions To           * Directions From           * Search Nearby           * Send to Cell           * Send to OnStar    2.       *[500-552] Commercial St       San Francisco, CA 94111           * Map           * Directions To           * Directions From           * Search Nearby           * Send to Cell           * Send to OnStar    3.       *[551-599] Commercial St       San Francisco, CA 94111           * Map           * Directions To           * Directions From           * Search Nearby           * Send to Cell           * Send to OnStar    4.       *[600-699] Commercial St       San Francisco, CA 94111           * Map           * Directions To           * Directions From           * Search Nearby           * Send to Cell           * Send to OnStar    5.       *[700-799] Commercial St       San Francisco, CA 94108           * Map           * Directions To           * Directions From           * Search Nearby           * Send to Cell           * Send to OnStar I just need feedback. Thanks, Adrienne

http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlib.htm#halsted > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:26:55 EDT > From: CarolH726@aol.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Halsted Mortuary Records > To: casanfra@rootsweb.com > > Hi to the list, > > I was glad to see these records are being indexed. I have a death cert. from > 1914 where Halsted Bros. is shown as the undertaker, so I'm wondering where > these records are and if a person can contact the repository now to get > information from the records. > > Thank you for any help you can provide. > > Carol >

Carol wrote: " I was glad to see these [funeral home] records are being indexed. I have a death cert. from 1914 where Halsted Bros. is shown as the undertaker, so I'm wondering where these records are and if a person can contact the repository now to get information from the records. Thank you for any help you can provide." Jane Lindsey, the president of the California Genealogical Society, originally made the arrangements for these records to be digitized when I first discovered that the mortuary was planning on divesting themselves of them three years ago. Those records primarily dating to before 1920 were transferred to the San Francisco Public Library, where they are in underground storage. Both SFPL and CGS have copies of the digitizations on DVDs. Ron Filion agreed to take all the remaining records primarily dating to 1920 and beyond. He has two indexing projects going--one on the records that he took (I think), as well as encouraging participation in the broader Family Search Indexing Project, which includes all records. CGS volunteers are also participating in the indexing of the Family History Indexing portion of the project since they initiated the digitization. Meanwhile, Halsted Gray Carew & English retained the Carew & English records for the present. Those who are participating in the indexing have discovered that some records dating to before and after 1920 include re-interments of pre-earthquake burials, and occasionally details are included. The entire project is really very exciting. Nancy Peterson, CGS ____________________________________________________________________

Hi to the list, I was glad to see these records are being indexed. I have a death cert. from 1914 where Halsted Bros. is shown as the undertaker, so I'm wondering where these records are and if a person can contact the repository now to get information from the records. Thank you for any help you can provide. Carol **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Thank to all who responded to my request for info about TRAUNG, Filimon Julius Bob Öhman Gloucester, MA Keep the "o" alive! Å Ä Ö Researching the following names, Andersson, Arnold, Benhammar, Berlan, Collier, Damon, Eldridge, Eriksson, Gokey, Guice, Guise, Guyse, Hamel, Ingalls, Lusiner, Mason, Meeler, Millen, Morgan, Petersson, Stackpole, Svengren, Svensson, Thyberg, Traung, Wretman, Öhman, Öman and many more. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

As, hopefully, most of you know, the entire Halsted N. Gray mortuary collection is being indexed. There are now two active projects that need volunteers: (1) SFgenealogy -- San Francisco Mortuary Indexing Project (MIP). We are currently indexing Halsted records from 1922-1974. http://www.sfgenealogy.net/mip/ (2) LDS -- San Francisco Mortuary Project. They have just started indexing the records that date back to 1850 and up to around 1920. http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/home/home.jsf If you have free time, please consider contributing to one or both projects. Thanks! Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com

If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area (or planning to visit) on September 20, 2008, Jim Faulkinbury will be speaking to the San Mateo County Genealogical Society about US Naturalization Records. For more info: http://www.smcgs.org/programs.html Ron

You're so welcome, Joyce! So glad that George was someone you recognized as one of her relatives. The Daily Alta California was a San Francisco paper, the first daily newspaper in California in 1949. I checked out Google, then their link to Wikipedia. Have you tried Jim Faulkinbury's website? He lists old births, deaths, marriages, etc. by last name from the old SF papers. He has the articles indexed. Once the name is found, there's an index number that can be ordered from Jim for a fee. He's really fast though and returns it right away. I didn't find any thing for 'Emma Hamilton Ward', but I did find something for 'Emma Hamilton': Hamilton, Emma ... died in 1890 ... age 28 ... 1890D-2699 Here's the page for ordering instructions: http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/OrderInstr.htm Good Luck... Barb From: newtonjoyce@hotmail.comTo: calibarbi@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CASANFRA] 1880-1890's death?Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:06:03 -0500 Thank you Barb!This George is a cousin to Emma and I looked at the copy on Heritage and could not read it very well, so you must have looked at Ancestry and that helps a great deal. I found a newspaper article on genealogybank.com that showed an Emma Ward who needed to pick up her mail. Ever heard of the 'Daily Alta California'? I wonder which town it is from.http://cbsr.tabbec.com/ Newspaper: Daily alta California Thanks again, JoyceJoyce A Newton1083 County Rd. 3704BSplendora, TX 77372 From: calibarbi@hotmail.comTo: casanfra@rootsweb.comCC: sweeth2o1@gmail.com; newtonjoyce@hotmail.comSubject: RE: [CASANFRA] 1880-1890's death?Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:08:25 -0700 I've found a couple in Oakland in the 1900 Census who could be Emma's aunt and uncle: George W. Arper, born March 1856 and Nellie M. Arper, born March 1866. Looks like they're renting at 1219 Magnolia St., Oakland Ward 3, Alameda County. He's a plumber. They've been married 11 years at the time of the Census, so 1888-89 as date of marriage. Hope this helps, and good luck... Barb > From: sweeth2o1@gmail.com> To: casanfra@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:42:01 -0700> CC: newtonjoyce@hotmail.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] 1880-1890's death?> > I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be> greatly appreciated:> > > > You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma> Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in> the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended> up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find> any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place> to look would be? I am subscribed to genealogybank.com but so far a paper> that would carry her death either in MN or CA has not been copied. I do not> have an exact death date. > > Thanks for your help. > > Joyce Newton [newtonjoyce@hotmail.com] > > > > > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. Connect on the go. _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008

CA death index: TRAUNG LOUIS J 12 07 1916 SAN FRANCISCO age 92, spouse E TRAUNG EMILY 09 22 1926 SAN FRANCISCO age 87, spouse L 1890 Great Register of Voters Surname: TRAUNG Given Name: George Edward Age: 22 Birthplace: California Residence: 18 Bond County: San Francisco RegDate: 08 AUG 1890 Page: D44/P4 Surname: TRAUNG Given Name: Louis Jr Age: 24 Birthplace: California Residence: 109 Guerrero County: San Francisco RegDate: 22 SEP 1890 Page: D44/P12 Surname: TRAUNG Given Name: Louis Sr Age: 67 Birthplace: Sweden Residence: 18 Bond County: San Francisco RegDate: 04 OCT 1890 Naturalization: N Page: D44/P4 ----- Original Message ----- From: <OhmanGen@aol.com> To: <sweggate@rootsweb.com>; <swedestoo@smultron.com>; <norcal@rootsweb.com>; <casanfra@rootsweb.com> Cc: <traung@swipnet.se>; <lars-olof.traung@nautic-center.se> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] TRAUNG, Filimon Julius - born 8 Mar 1822 - Arvika, Sweden Hi Everyone, I am hoping someone can help me see through the forest to the correct tree. I have come to a dead end trying to find out how Filimon Julius Traung came to San Francisco. He was born in Arvika, Sweden, 8 Mar 1822 and died in San Francisco, 1911. He came to America from Arvika, Sweden after 1845. He seems to have arrived in New Orleans where he may have met his wife, Emilie Staffellbach. There is reference to her being born in New Orleans and near St. Louis. Her parents were Austrian, German or Swiss. I know he was living in San Francisco in 1855 when his first child was born. In San Francisco, he changed his first name to Lewis. Lewis was a Master Sailor when leaving Sweden, but did not continue sailing after arriving in San Francisco. He did work in the marine industry though until he died at 89. My question, how did Filimon Julius (Lewis) Traung and wife arrive in San Francisco, by wagon train or ship? When did they actually arrive? Tack så mycket, Bob Öhman Gloucester, MA Keep the "o" alive! Å Ä Ö Researching the following names, Andersson, Arnold, Benhammar, Berlan, Collier, Damon, Eldridge, Eriksson, Gokey, Guice, Guise, Guyse, Hamel, Ingalls, Lusiner, Mason, Meeler, Millen, Morgan, Petersson, Stackpole, Svengren, Svensson, Thyberg, Traung, Wretman, Öhman, Öman and many more. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've found a couple in Oakland in the 1900 Census who could be Emma's aunt and uncle: George W. Arper, born March 1856 and Nellie M. Arper, born March 1866. Looks like they're renting at 1219 Magnolia St., Oakland Ward 3, Alameda County. He's a plumber. They've been married 11 years at the time of the Census, so 1888-89 as date of marriage. Hope this helps, and good luck... Barb > From: sweeth2o1@gmail.com> To: casanfra@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:42:01 -0700> CC: newtonjoyce@hotmail.com> Subject: [CASANFRA] 1880-1890's death?> > I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be> greatly appreciated:> > > > You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma> Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in> the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended> up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find> any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place> to look would be? I am subscribed to genealogybank.com but so far a paper> that would carry her death either in MN or CA has not been copied. I do not> have an exact death date. > > Thanks for your help. > > Joyce Newton [newtonjoyce@hotmail.com] > > > > > > **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008

Hi Everyone, I am hoping someone can help me see through the forest to the correct tree. I have come to a dead end trying to find out how Filimon Julius Traung came to San Francisco. He was born in Arvika, Sweden, 8 Mar 1822 and died in San Francisco, 1911. He came to America from Arvika, Sweden after 1845. He seems to have arrived in New Orleans where he may have met his wife, Emilie Staffellbach. There is reference to her being born in New Orleans and near St. Louis. Her parents were Austrian, German or Swiss. I know he was living in San Francisco in 1855 when his first child was born. In San Francisco, he changed his first name to Lewis. Lewis was a Master Sailor when leaving Sweden, but did not continue sailing after arriving in San Francisco. He did work in the marine industry though until he died at 89. My question, how did Filimon Julius (Lewis) Traung and wife arrive in San Francisco, by wagon train or ship? When did they actually arrive? Tack så mycket, Bob Öhman Gloucester, MA Keep the "o" alive! Å Ä Ö Researching the following names, Andersson, Arnold, Benhammar, Berlan, Collier, Damon, Eldridge, Eriksson, Gokey, Guice, Guise, Guyse, Hamel, Ingalls, Lusiner, Mason, Meeler, Millen, Morgan, Petersson, Stackpole, Svengren, Svensson, Thyberg, Traung, Wretman, Öhman, Öman and many more. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Joyce, I did find Arpers in the San Francisco 1882 & 1890's San Francisco City Directories. They were not listed in the 1887 San Francisco City Directory. From 1882 San Francisco City Directory page 172: ARPER Clarence T., compositor, r. 806 Green ARPER Thomas, engineer Cal. Wire Works, r. 806 Green ========================================= From 1890 San Francisco City Directory page 155: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/php/1890.php?page=155 Sorry, the 1880 McKenny's Pacific Coast Business Directory does not list any Arper's in Alameda County. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/pcd_indx.htm Nancy Pratt Melton Golden Nugget Library npmelton@yahoo.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~npmelton/index.html

I would start with what you probably know for sure, that she was visiting her aunt and uncle. I would suggest seeing where they lived so you can make a better guess as to which city and/or county to search. Check the 1880 and 1900 censuses for them, they are available online for free from many public libraries. And also try checking city directories in the area around that time. I have some explanations and/or links for free general genealogy resources including the above at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/resources.html On 7/18/08, Linda Hamid <sweeth2o1@gmail.com> wrote: > I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be > greatly appreciated: > > > > You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma > Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in > the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended > up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find > any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place > to look would be?

Thank you to Pat and Mark from Joyce Newton in Texas for help in locating her ancestors: "Thank you so much for putting my request on the board. This has been most helpful. I have tried many places and a few new ideas have surfaced. Please thank those on the list. I appreciate all the help I can get! Joyce" Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us _____

The Oakland Tribune is available on-line at Newspaperarchive.com. For a list of newspapers relevant to the San Francisco Bay Area, see our list at: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/caldata.htm#newspapers Please feel free to suggest additions or corrections. Thanks! Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:42:01 -0700 > From: "Linda Hamid" <sweeth2o1@gmail.com> > Subject: [CASANFRA] 1880-1890's death? > To: <casanfra@rootsweb.com> > Cc: newtonjoyce@hotmail.com > > I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be > greatly appreciated: > > > > You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma > Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in > the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended > up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find > any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place > to look would be? I am subscribed to genealogybank.com but so far a paper > that would carry her death either in MN or CA has not been copied. I do not > have an exact death date. > > Thanks for your help. > > Joyce Newton [newtonjoyce@hotmail.com] >

If she died in San Francisco, her death certificate was likely destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire. If she died in Oakland, Alameda County has no death records prior to 1893. Where might she be buried? Since she was just visiting the Bay Area, her body was probably returned to her home town for burial. Was she married? If yes, try to find out where her husband is buried. If she was not married, try to find out where her parents are buried. Mark Lomax Pasadena, CA On 7/18/08, Linda Hamid <sweeth2o1@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be > greatly appreciated: > > > > You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma > Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in > the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended > up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find > any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place > to look would be? I am subscribed to genealogybank.com but so far a paper > that would carry her death either in MN or CA has not been copied. I do > not > have an exact death date. > > Thanks for your help. > > Joyce Newton [newtonjoyce@hotmail.com] > > > > > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am trying to help a lady from Texas find her ancestor. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated: You may or may not have an answer for this but here is the scenario. Emma Hamilton Ward, my gr grandmother, was visiting her Aunt and Uncle Arper in the late 1880's perhaps 1890 there in Oakland/San Francisco area and ended up in the hospital. She died there on the operating table. I cannot find any proof of her death, burial etc. Do you have ANY idea where a good place to look would be? I am subscribed to genealogybank.com but so far a paper that would carry her death either in MN or CA has not been copied. I do not have an exact death date. Thanks for your help. Joyce Newton [newtonjoyce@hotmail.com]